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jedi at mishnet

Jun 21, 2007, 11:50 AM

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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 12:36:36PM -0500, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> On 6/21/07, Michael Jones <mythlist [at] michaelandholly> wrote:
> >
> >I think the foundation idea is a very good one.
> >
> >Here's my thoughts:
> >
> >There are a few significant unknowns surrounding this whole situation.
> >
> >1) What is Isaac (and the dev team) figuring out with the current
> >situation - they might be anywhere from minutes to months/years away
> >from figuring out a valid solution that will satisfy everyone.
> >
> >2) If the dev team is not able to figure out an amicable solution
> >with TMS, is TMS willing to share their data with a not-for-profit
> >foundation at a discounted rate.. or somesuch arrangement.
> >
> >From what limited information we've seen so far.. I would guess the
> >answer is no.. but this is only speculation in the absence of better
> >information.
> >
> >3) If TMS is unwilling to share their data for Nonprofit at a
> >significantly reduced rate, where will the operating capitol for the
> >initial outlay of cash to TMS for the licensing come from - I'm sure
> >they'll want their $$ up front for the subscription to the data. Do
> >we just start taking donations and hope we reach "critical mass"
> >before September?
> >
> >With all of this speculation flying around wouldn't it be nice to
> >have a fly on the wall during Isaac's discussions with TMS? Until
> >we hear more.. I don't think ANYTHING can happen?
> >
> >- comments?
> >
>
> We all had listings just fine before DataDirect in the form of XMLTV. Why
> is this issue being talked to death when we can just verify XMLTV works (it
> works fine for people outside the US so I can only assume it is still
> functional) and be done with it?

...because in the eyes of the law we would all probably be
seen as thieves and treated accordingly should TMS press the issue.
Ideally, we would have our own source of data that no one else can
monkey around with. The value of TMS as an integrator is limited
at this point and that value is shrinking.
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dsr-myth at tao

Jun 21, 2007, 12:53 PM

Post #177 of 202 (10135 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 03:39:15PM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 02:20:54PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > You can't copyright the factual information about a work or
> > newsworthy event either, as Major League Baseball, Inc. has been
> > finding out, repeatedly.
>
> Sports accounts are perhaps the best analogy to our current situation,
> IMO. I hadn't realized the leagues were losing those cases, but I'm
> glad to hear they are.

While MLB has decided to appeal their loss, they have already
made big concessions to reality:

"We've agreed that the stats and names are in the public
domain," MLB Advanced Media spokesman Gallagher said after the
ruling. "But when you start to use team's logos and other images
as CBC did, you need a license, it's that simple."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070614-mlb-tries-to-convince-appeals-court-that-names-and-stats-are-copyrightable.html

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ylee at pobox

Jun 21, 2007, 1:29 PM

Post #178 of 202 (10131 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

Kevin Kuphal <kuphal [at] dls> says:
> Scraping TMS' site will obviously give you the most

Not necessarily. AOL's TV listings, which use the TMS feed, exposes
more of the data than tvlistings.com does. Something to keep in mind
should we indeed be forced to resort to scraping again.

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jra at baylink

Jun 21, 2007, 1:38 PM

Post #179 of 202 (10135 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 03:53:28PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Sports accounts are perhaps the best analogy to our current situation,
> > IMO. I hadn't realized the leagues were losing those cases, but I'm
> > glad to hear they are.
>
> While MLB has decided to appeal their loss, they have already
> made big concessions to reality:
>
> "We've agreed that the stats and names are in the public
> domain," MLB Advanced Media spokesman Gallagher said after the
> ruling. "But when you start to use team's logos and other images
> as CBC did, you need a license, it's that simple."
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070614-mlb-tries-to-convince-appeals-court-that-names-and-stats-are-copyrightable.html

Alas, that does *not* appear to cover accounts. But it's still on
point. IME. IANAL. TINC.

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3gemail at gmail

Jun 21, 2007, 2:11 PM

Post #180 of 202 (10114 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

Just A thought. If there is a lot of stress on the servers. How about
setting up some sort of P2P guide data sharing mechanism within
mythtv. I dont know the logistics. like how to setup the tracker and
how the data would be updated, but if bittorrent can do it why cant
mythtv have a plugin?

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brian at interlinx

Jun 21, 2007, 2:15 PM

Post #181 of 202 (10155 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 14:11 -0700, Gregg wrote:
> Just A thought. If there is a lot of stress on the servers. How about
> setting up some sort of P2P guide data sharing mechanism within
> mythtv. I dont know the logistics. like how to setup the tracker and
> how the data would be updated, but if bittorrent can do it why cant
> mythtv have a plugin?

ARRRRRGGGG!

Will you people PLEASE! read the threads before pitching in your $0.02.
It has been said time and time again, server load IS NOT the issue here,
too much violation of the end-user agreement to the data is the issue.

This discussion just goes around and around again as each new person
adds their suggestions without even having bothered to read the existing
messages on it.

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myth at dermanouelian

Jun 21, 2007, 2:17 PM

Post #182 of 202 (10138 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

On Jun 21, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Gregg wrote:

> Just A thought. If there is a lot of stress on the servers. How about
> setting up some sort of P2P guide data sharing mechanism within
> mythtv. I dont know the logistics. like how to setup the tracker and
> how the data would be updated, but if bittorrent can do it why cant
> mythtv have a plugin?
>
> -Gregg

That's a great idea. I wonder if many other people in another thread
will think of the same thing. ;)
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brian at interlinx

Jun 21, 2007, 2:18 PM

Post #183 of 202 (10120 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

LOL. The irony of posting a message telling people to read the existing
messages before posting their own. Lazy people are just so frustrating.

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bignickolson at gmail

Jun 21, 2007, 2:18 PM

Post #184 of 202 (10136 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

This is my first post on the list, but I think everyone should calm down.
I've seen a ton of technobabble going on. People just seem to like to throw
out buzzwords expecting that if enough get strung together it's gonna fix
the problem.

It's been said the devs are working with Zap2It for a solution. We have a
few months. Everyone take a deep breath and go back to enjoying the fine
product that is MythTV.

On 6/21/07, Gregg <3gemail [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> Just A thought. If there is a lot of stress on the servers. How about
> setting up some sort of P2P guide data sharing mechanism within
> mythtv. I dont know the logistics. like how to setup the tracker and
> how the data would be updated, but if bittorrent can do it why cant
> mythtv have a plugin?
>
> -Gregg
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brian at interlinx

Jun 21, 2007, 2:20 PM

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On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 14:17 -0700, Brad DerManouelian wrote:
>
> That's a great idea. I wonder if many other people in another thread
> will think of the same thing. ;)

No doubt. But for the edge-of-my-seat anticipation at a solution to
this problem, this latest round of people not reading (even the messages
posted in the last 24h!) before they post would be enough for me to
finally un-sub this list. Between the laziness, OT and general low S:N
ratio, this list is really becoming of too little value for the time
spent wading through it. I'm deeply sad to say.

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jedi at mishnet

Jun 21, 2007, 2:54 PM

Post #186 of 202 (10156 views)
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:20:52PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 14:17 -0700, Brad DerManouelian wrote:
> >
> > That's a great idea. I wonder if many other people in another thread
> > will think of the same thing. ;)
>
> No doubt. But for the edge-of-my-seat anticipation at a solution to
> this problem, this latest round of people not reading (even the messages
> posted in the last 24h!) before they post would be enough for me to
> finally un-sub this list. Between the laziness, OT and general low S:N
> ratio, this list is really becoming of too little value for the time
> spent wading through it. I'm deeply sad to say.

ppppffffft!

Now you're the one not paying attention.

The beauty of automated solutions is that you can clean and slice and
dice your data before you ever see it, oftentimes with some really very simple
rules. One guy using Thunderbird found that it filtered out this thread all by
itself without any human intervention.

[deletia]


Procmail getting you down? Mebbe it's time to move on... '-)
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anaerin at gmail

Jun 21, 2007, 3:25 PM

Post #187 of 202 (10127 views)
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On 6/21/07, Brian J. Murrell <brian [at] interlinx> wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 14:11 -0700, Gregg wrote:
> > Just A thought. If there is a lot of stress on the servers. How about
> > setting up some sort of P2P guide data sharing mechanism within
> > mythtv. I dont know the logistics. like how to setup the tracker and
> > how the data would be updated, but if bittorrent can do it why cant
> > mythtv have a plugin?
>
> ARRRRRGGGG!
>
> Will you people PLEASE! read the threads before pitching in your $0.02.
> It has been said time and time again, server load IS NOT the issue here,
> too much violation of the end-user agreement to the data is the issue.

TBH, I don't think that's the real issue here. It's just something
that TMS/Zap2It is throwing out as an excuse. If you look at the
reasons they give, the big one seems (to me) to be that they're
changing the architecture behind, and don't have the manpower (Or
don't want to "Spend" the manpower) to port Zap2It to the new format.
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rich.goodwin at cox

Jun 21, 2007, 3:41 PM

Post #188 of 202 (10118 views)
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Re: Zap2it Labs Shutting Down? [In reply to]

I agree with you and am willing to a) contribute and b) help.

I suggest considering issuing certificates to those who contribute to
the non-profit service so that only "those who contribute" gain access
to the non-profit group data. The certs could be used to retrieve the
lineup. This way excessive downloads can be easily turned off. Issuing
certificates would be the issue but I believe something could be worked
out I like using the EFF - if they are willing to broker something
here.

Rich Goodwin


On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:21 -0700, Matt Harmon wrote:
> Hi,
> I've gotten some good advice from the community in
> the past and I'm a happy mythtv user. It rocks!
>
> It rocks so much that I would be willing to donate
> money to support it's development -- and furthermore,
> donate money (a la Wikipedia.org) to support the
> continued publication of channel information.
>
> There's been a lot of conversation about people
> picking the data up and selling it or offering
> subscriptions to people -- all of which runs up
> against the "well, since the data is so expensive,
> it's valuable enough for people to steal it."
> Donations from the community of users -- voluntary
> financial support -- seems a positive way to take some
> of the antagonism out of the relationship. It also
> reduces the likelihood of "data theft".
>
> My proposal is that the project put into place a
> site and foundation to collect donations to purchase a
> non-profit feed that the community can then use to
> sustain not only the availability of programming data
> but also, should the amount collected exceed what is
> needed to maintain the feed, sustain the viability of
> the project.
>
> The existence of an independent, open source
> entertainment platform is a means to kill DRM and it's
> monopoly creating capabilities must be supported. I
> don't have the time to contribute code, but I can help
> others and I can send money (perhaps the EFF -
> http://www.eff.org/ - can send some lawyers?).
>
> This is about control over my hardware -- and I,
> at least (though I know there are others like me)
> would be willing to kick $100 or so into the till
> periodically to sustain that control.
>
> For me, mythtv isn't about the money, it's about
> control. I would rather have $X per month go to the
> support of an independent platform than send money to
> a bunch of aging, clasping, greedy people who want to
> dictate how many times -- and under what circumstances
> -- I get to watch their (rarely good) content.
>
> Donations -- voluntarily collected -- would allow
> the Tribune people to get their money and say to Tivo
> and the rest, "What someone does with their feed is
> their business, after all, don't your networks publish
> this information on the web?" but would allow the
> community to remain independent of the media oligarchy
> which is fighting so desperately to control what we
> watch and how we watch -- DESPITE OUR DESIRES AS THEIR
> CUSTOMERS.
>
> Anyway, just my two cents (and possibly $100, if a
> foundation is formed) and since I am unknown, perhaps
> the EFF or the mythtv lead developers (i.e. people we
> all pretty sure we can trust) could set up a
> foundation to support this. I would gladly be the
> first to donate.
>
> Who will join me?
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Matt Harmon
>
> P.S. - There will probably be people who say this will
> never work and will attempt others not to do it. We
> should give it a try...As an open community,
> entertainment industry shills are free to come and
> attempt to influence us (do you think they haven't
> taken notice...Do you think they don't know the power
> of this?) Consider that when people oppose this idea.
>
>
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gtgj at pacbell

Jun 21, 2007, 6:27 PM

Post #189 of 202 (10131 views)
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>>>>> Kevin Kuphal writes:



That's not a good assumption. Here's a post from the XMLTV
developer responsible for the North American grabber:

http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?p=5088#5088

> What makes you think XMLTV isn't effected by this as well?
> TV_GRAB_NA_DD was just a Z2L client like everyone else.

> The old TV_GRAB_NA scrapper would need to be rewritten from scratch
> there has been so many changes in the Zap2IT.com site.

> In addition, I think the time is long past for a scraper to be
> viable, at least for the U.S.. There are so many users, the load on
> the data sources would probably cause them to constantly change
> things to keep scrapers at bay. I don't plan on writing one at the
> moment... others are free to (and could even be included in the
> XMLTV distribution)
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jra at baylink

Jun 21, 2007, 6:39 PM

Post #190 of 202 (10113 views)
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:15:16PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> Will you people PLEASE! read the threads before pitching in your $0.02.
> It has been said time and time again, server load IS NOT the issue here,
> too much violation of the end-user agreement to the data is the issue.

That *has* been said, Brian, yes.

But no one's explained *how* exactly, you could violate the agreement
in that way, since each account has a finite number of lineups. It
doesn't seem that it would have been practical for the license to be
violated in the fashion they appear to be alleging; at least, not on a
scale big enough to actually justify the shutdown.

I, personally, buy more "revenue drops 11.1%", "new president" and "new
data schema and we can't be bothered to rewrite" more, myself.

Cheers,
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brian at interlinx

Jun 21, 2007, 7:05 PM

Post #191 of 202 (10132 views)
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On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 16:54 -0500, Kevin Hulse wrote:
> ppppffffft!
>
> Now you're the one not paying attention.
>
> The beauty of automated solutions

So you have an automated solution which reads each mail on this list and
correctly decides which ones you'd be interested in the ones you are not
you don't even see? Cool. You should patent and sell that. It's in
fact the panacea to the spam problem.

> is that you can clean and slice and
> dice your data before you ever see it, oftentimes with some really very simple
> rules. One guy using Thunderbird found that it filtered out this thread all by
> itself without any human intervention.
>
> [deletia]
>
>
> Procmail getting you down? Mebbe it's time to move on... '-)

You are kidding right? Constantly updating procmail rules to filter out
subjects that come up here that are of no interest? As much a waste of
time hitting Delete on a scad of messages, creating procmail rules is
even more.

~sigh~

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brian at interlinx

Jun 21, 2007, 7:11 PM

Post #192 of 202 (10119 views)
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On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 21:39 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> But no one's explained *how* exactly, you could violate the agreement
> in that way, since each account has a finite number of lineups.

A lineup can be a simple as "Comcast analog cable in Seattle" (to pull a
city and provider out of my ass) so that one account could be used for
all myth boxes in Seattle. Same can be done for all major metro areas.

You gotta remember, these would be "store bought" myth boxes for mom &
pop's, not hackers like us. They all would likely have been perfectly
happy with a nice default, vanilla lineup for their local cableco.

> It
> doesn't seem that it would have been practical for the license to be
> violated in the fashion they appear to be alleging; at least, not on a
> scale big enough to actually justify the shutdown.

Maybe. Maybe not. We don't know what their threshold was.

> I, personally, buy more "revenue drops 11.1%", "new president" and "new
> data schema and we can't be bothered to rewrite" more, myself.

Maybe, But all of this is really not at all relevant to my gripe and
that was that somebody dove in, created a nice new thread with an old
beaten solution to the problem that zap2it/tms were obviously not
interested in solving. That could have been learned by reading a few
posts rather than posting without reading first.

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jra at baylink

Jun 21, 2007, 7:14 PM

Post #193 of 202 (10114 views)
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:05:13PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> You are kidding right? Constantly updating procmail rules to filter out
> subjects that come up here that are of no interest? As much a waste of
> time hitting Delete on a scad of messages, creating procmail rules is
> even more.

Well, almost all newsreaders, and some mail programs, have a Kill
thread command.

Wouldn't it be nice if this was a newsgroup instead of email?

Like it's supposed to be?

Cheers
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jra at baylink

Jun 21, 2007, 7:15 PM

Post #194 of 202 (10110 views)
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:11:04PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> > I, personally, buy more "revenue drops 11.1%", "new president" and "new
> > data schema and we can't be bothered to rewrite" more, myself.
>
> Maybe, But all of this is really not at all relevant to my gripe and
> that was that somebody dove in, created a nice new thread with an old
> beaten solution to the problem that zap2it/tms were obviously not
> interested in solving. That could have been learned by reading a few
> posts rather than posting without reading first.

Certainly.

Cheers,
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rdmyers at anzavalley

Jun 21, 2007, 7:44 PM

Post #195 of 202 (10129 views)
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On Jun 21, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:05:13PM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
>> You are kidding right? Constantly updating procmail rules to
>> filter out
>> subjects that come up here that are of no interest? As much a
>> waste of
>> time hitting Delete on a scad of messages, creating procmail rules is
>> even more.
>
> Well, almost all newsreaders, and some mail programs, have a Kill
> thread command.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if this was a newsgroup instead of email?
>
> Like it's supposed to be

You think there is riff-raff (?) now. The triple that for a newsgroup.

If you want to filter out people you do not want to see, why no
filter out those people with a decent MUA? And I believe mutt can do
that very thing.

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Jun 21, 2007, 7:49 PM

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On 6/21/07, Jay R. Ashworth <jra [at] baylink> wrote:
>> Well, almost all newsreaders, and some mail programs, have a Kill
> thread command.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if this was a newsgroup instead of email?
>
> Like it's supposed to be?
>
> Cheers
> -- jra


Godwin's Law, corollary:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of Jay touting
Usenet/NNTP approaches one.

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jra at baylink

Jun 22, 2007, 6:34 AM

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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:49:54PM -0400, Joseph Caputo wrote:
> Godwin's Law, corollary:
>
> As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of Jay touting
> Usenet/NNTP approaches one.

Well, you've been around long enough to know. :-)

Someone BOFHd me the other day, and I thought *that* would be the
nicest compliment I'd get this month.

Cheers,
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Jun 22, 2007, 7:37 AM

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On 6/22/07, Jay R. Ashworth <jra [at] baylink> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:49:54PM -0400, Joseph Caputo wrote:
> > Godwin's Law, corollary:
> >
> > As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of Jay touting
> > Usenet/NNTP approaches one.
>
> Well, you've been around long enough to know. :-)
>
> Someone BOFHd me the other day, and I thought *that* would be the
> nicest compliment I'd get this month.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
> jra [at] baylink
> Designer The Things I Think RFC
> 2100
> Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87
> e24
> St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647
> 1274
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>

I managed and then started an ISP back in 1995-1996. There was this weird
thing that this company used to distribute messages. It was something like
NNTP? Jay, what do you think about that?
:)


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Jun 22, 2007, 10:38 AM

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On Jun 19, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Brian Wood wrote:

> It's people knowingly violating the license with Myth systems that
> made
> this inevitable. Some continued to violate even after being advised by
> TMS of the violation.
>
> A big Thank You to all those folks, you know who you are.

Yup. Remember the argument a few months back, with some people
saying, "We have to be nice to Zap2It, or they might take their ball
and go home," and other people arguing that they'd never do such a
thing? Well, I guess that argument finally got settled!

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Jun 22, 2007, 10:46 AM

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 10:38:14AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Jun 19, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> > It's people knowingly violating the license with Myth systems that
> > made this inevitable. Some continued to violate even after being
> > advised by TMS of the violation.
> >
> > A big Thank You to all those folks, you know who you are.
>
> Yup. Remember the argument a few months back, with some people saying,
> "We have to be nice to Zap2It, or they might take their ball and go
> home," and other people arguing that they'd never do such a thing?
> Well, I guess that argument finally got settled!

To the extent that a) that really happened and b) that *could*
practically have happened -- both points on which we have no
high-confidence data -- sure.

Cheers,
-- jra
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