
jlk at thrashyour
May 24, 2003, 11:01 AM
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Re: Install tips for RH9 and PVR250 owners for Myth
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Jeff - very nicely done. :) Gonna use it as the model for the Gentoo/350 writeup I should have out by Wednesday. For those playing along at home, got my audio issues fixed by decreasing the bitrate out of the 350. What's a little annoying is the OSD fade in/out uses enough cpu that I had to decrease the bitrate a bit(haha) below optimum... OK, tangents, sorry - I'm a channel surfer. MythTV doesn't seem to give itself to this readily, takes me about a second or so to change a channel. Any chance of speeding that up? John On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 01:24:24PM -0300, Jeff C wrote: > I have spent the last two weeks banging about, in all my inexperience, > working on getting the latest CVS of Myth working with my hardware, > including a PVR 250 card on Red Hat 9. I am happy to report that the other > morning I was able to do a fresh install and have everything, including the > remote, up and working in only a few hours. I took notes during the > process and due to a few requests I will share them with the list. > > Fair warning - I can not guarantee these docs are 100% complete so if you > notice something is missing, please let me know and I'll add it to the > document - or even better if the FAQ mantainer thinks it is worthwhile, > perhaps we could make this an appendix in there or something. As well, I > have to admit to not always knowing *WHY* you do a certain command and what > is will do, I only know it worked. If someone wants to add some comments > on what is actually happening along the way, that is always nice for us > newbies to understand. > > So here goes: > > HOW I SET UP MYTH ON REDHAT 9 WITH A PVR 250 > Includes the PVR 250 drivers, Myth and lirc for the remote > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jeff Campbell - tuner [at] hfx > > First draft - May 24, 2003 > > 1. MY HARDWARE > > For reference, I am using the following hardware (your results may vary > with other hardware): > > AMD Duron 1.1 Ghz Processor > ECS K7S5APRO Motherboard with SiS 735 chipset, onboard LAN > 384MB of RAM (256MB saw regular swapping so I added more) > 5400 RPM Maxtor 80GB HD (I'd prefer 7200 but 5400 is quiet) > Liteon 16X CD Burner > USB 3 button wheel mouse > NVidia GeForce2 MX 64MB TV Out (MSI Brand) > SBLive! PCI Soundcard > Hauppauge WinPVR 250 PCI MPEG encoder card w/remote > > (Everything, except capture card auto detected by kernel) > > Redhat 9 (RH9) ISOs for the operating system > > > 2. OS INSTALLATION > > Fresh install of RH9 utilising the custom installation option. I included > all the development options for both shell and X based development, and > definitely kernel development, as well as MySQL (which Myth requries) and > Samba (for transferring files back and forth with Windows machines). > > I looked at each section in detail and selected utilities I needed but > ensure all major library packages were always included. MySQL is not > checked by default when you select databases so please make sure you go in > and ensure it is checked. > > > 3. RHN UPDATES TO KERNEL, SOURCE AND UTILITIES > > On first reboot after install I did my basic config then ran the RH Network > updater and updated all the identified components, including the kernel and > source (as of this writing the latest RHN kernel is 2.4.20-13.9). > > Reboot to load the new kernel. > > > 4. SETTING UP THE KERNEL SOURCE > (You will likely need to be root to do most of this) > > Once the system was updated and rebooted I logged in and: > > cd /usr/src > > Made a symbolic link for /usr/src/linux to the current kernel source > > ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.4 linux > > Then I went to to /usr/src/linux and cleaned some things up > > cd /usr/src/linux > > Required after new kernel sources are installed > > make mrproper > > Then edit the "Makefile" and remove the phrase "custom" after the end of > the kernel name (otherwise it will complain of kernel source mismatches > later when you compile different kernel dependent drivers etc). > > Next copy your kernel config from your /boot directory to the > /usr/src/linux as ".config" > > cp /boot/config-2.4.20-13.9 /usr/src/linux/.config > > Now you want to run the following in /usr/src/linux: > > make oldconfig ; make depend > > You DO NOT need to run make install here. > > > 5. GET AND BUILD THE LATEST CVS OF IVTV, THE DRIVER FOR THE PVR250 CARD > > Next cd back to your home directory and using the docs at > http://ivtv.sf.net checkout the latest source code for the IVTV drivers for > the PVR 250 card. > > cd ~ > INSERT CVS instructions here (see their web site) > You might get an End of File error message if the site is busy, just > try again ever few minutes > > Now you want to go in and build the IVTV driver > > cd ivtv/ivtv/driver > > (per the docs for the ivtv driver) > Copy the videodev2.h header file from the ivtv utils directory > > cp ../utils/videodev2.h . > > Build the driver > > make > > Install the driver if it built properly (some warnings are normal as the > driver is still in alpha) > > make install > > Before you go any further, go to www.hauppauge.com and download the latest > driver set from their site for the PVR250, it's a windows .exe file, you > want to put it in ~/ivtv/ivtv/utils > > Go in to ivtv/ivtv/utils and run the firmware extractor program: > > cd ../utils/ > ./ivtvextract.pl NAMEOFHAUPPAGEDOWNLOAD > > (This will extract the latest firmware and install it where the IVTV > driver needs it) > > While you are over here, make the test utilities in here too: > > make > > You also want to uncompress the frequencies module and follow the docs in > there to install the frequencies tables you will need to use the ptune.pl > script to set a TV channel for your testing. Read the IVTV FAQ in detail. > > Go back to the driver directory > > cd ../driver/ > > Follow the instructions from the IVTV FAQ at http://ivtv.sf.net to modprobe > and insmod the modules (these will load the different modules in to memory > that the IVTV driver utilizes). NOTE: there is a regularly occuring > problem with people not having any sound because they do this "modprobe > msp3400", which is what the docs currently say. This will actually load > the msp3400 module that comes with your RH distribution, not the one you > just built. Instead you want to replace the line they suggest with this > one: > > insmod ./msp3400.o > > This will load the module you just built from the current directory. > > (FYI if you are getting "modprobe command not found or insmod command not > found" you can find the in /sbin/modprobe and /sbin/insmod. Alternatively, > when you su to root, us "su -" which will make sure you inherit roots PATH > statement which includes /sbin/ and saves you some typing) > > Check dmesg to see if the ivtv drivers loaded normally. You may also want > to check /var/log/messages for any odd messages. > > The IVTV FAQ has suggested formatting for adding the driver load statements > to /etc/modules.conf and I highly recommend that you do that. > > Here is what mine looks like (note my card has a Temic tuner, which is > type=8, whereas the FAQ says type=2 for the Philips tuner. Apparently mine > is almost 100% compatible with the Philips so 2 might be fine, but just in > case, be aware their are other tuner types in case type=2 does not work for > you). > > Oh, and I added the mpg_buffers=30 part to my load statement as I was > getting buffer overflow problems and this seemed to fix it, thanks to some > feedback on the ivtv mailing list. > > (from /etc/modules.conf) > # Start IVTV > alias char-major-81 videodev > alias char-major-81-0 ivtv > options ivtv debug=0 mpg_buffers=30 > options tuner type=8 > options msp3400 once=1 simple=1 > add below ivtv msp3400 saa7115 tuner > #IVTV End > > So at this point you have compiled and installed the driver, told > /etc/modules.conf to load it when it is needed, and manually loaded it and > checked the error messages to make sure it worked. There is more detail in > the IVTV FAQ on doing some initial config and testing work - spend the time > to read that and do those things to ensure you are capturing video and > audio. I will mention that the FAQ does not clearly state that you need to > set you input to -p 4 to see TV so go in the utils directory and do that: > > cd ~/ivtv/ivtv/utils > > Do the initial test stuff from the IVTV FAQ > > ./test_ioctl -u0x3000 > (I believe this is NTSC?) > > ./test_ioctl -p 4 > Sets the input to the TV tuner (input 4) > > Now you can do the test they recommend: > > cat /dev/video0 > sample.mpg > > Let it run for a few seconds and then cancel it. You should have a file of > a few 100K or maybe over a megabyte depending on how long you ran > it. Don't worry about the file for now, we'll confirm it is ok once we > install MPlayer to play MPEG files. If the file size is zero take another > look at dmesg and /var/log/messages and see if the driver complained of > anything. I have also had the problem where I had it complain that > /dev/video0 didn't exist but I corrected that by a reboot... > > > 6. GET AND INSTALL THE LATEST NVIDIA DRIVERS > > Go to the NVidia website and download the latest NVidia driver. > > Edit your /etc/inittab and change your default run level from 5 to 3 - the > new entry will look like this: > > (from /etc/inittab) > id:3:initdefault: > > This will ensure when you reboot your system it will come up in console > mode, which is required to install the NVidia driver. > > Reboot and login to the console as root. > > In the directory when you downloaded the driver do this: > > sh Nvidia-driver-name > > Then step through the well documented screens that NVidia provides and you > should see that everything is cool when you are done. It may complain that > it couldn't find the driver on their FTP site for your kernel (the brand > new one you just installed) so it will attempt to build you one (which it > should be able to do because you have set up your sources properly). > > When it is all set and happy, you now need to update your > /etc/X11/XF86Config file so that it uses the new driver instead of the old > one. I am going to post mine in here - I make no claims as to its > appropriateness in terms of being tweaked but I can tell you that my TV out > works fine and my X display at 1024x768 works great and plays back video > fine. So, here is mine: > > (/etc/X11/XFree86Config) > -- CUT HERE -- > > # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) > # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" > # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. > # Option "XkbDisable" > # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the > # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. > # keyboard, you will probably want to use: > # Option "XkbModel" "pc102" > # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: > # Option "XkbModel" "microsoft" > # > # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. > # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: > # Option "XkbLayout" "de" > # or: > # Option "XkbLayout" "de" > # Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" > # > # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and > # control keys, use: > # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" > # Or if you just want both to be control, use: > # Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" > # > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "keyboard" > Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > Option "XkbLayout" "us" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > > # If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then > # this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you > # also use USB mice at the same time. > Identifier "DevInputMice" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Avitron" > DisplaySize 280 210 > HorizSync 30.0 - 70.0 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 160.0 > # Option "dpms" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "VideoCard0" > VendorName "nvidia" > Driver "nvidia" > # update this with the PCI id of your card. Consult the output > # of the 'lspci' command. > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX (MSI)" > VideoRAM 65536 > Option "RenderAccel" "1" > # TV Out Related Stuff > Option "TwinView" > Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-50" > Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "60" > Option "MetaModes" "800x600, 800x600; 640x480, 640x480;" > # Option "MetaModes" "640x480, 640x480;" > Option "TVStandard" "NTSC-M" > EndSection > > #Section "Device" > # Identifier "Videocard0" > # Driver "nvidia" > # VendorName "Videocard vendor" > # BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX (generic)" > # VideoRam 65536 > # Option "RenderAccel" "1" > #EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Videocard0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > #Section "DRI" > # Group 0 > # Mode 0666 > #EndSection > > -- CUT HERE -- > > There is lots of info out there on making NVidia cards work under linux - > please consult it if you want to performance tune your system or if you are > having problems. I don't know much about it, I can only tell you what > worked for me with my hardware. > > Once the driver and config file are in place, reboot the machine and you > will be at the console again. Login as root and run: > > startx > > You should seen some screen resolution changes and maybe a few characters > flash by, and then the NVidia logo. Or you may also get an error message > from XWindows. I think you will get the NVidia logo and then be able to > login to X but if you don't, read the X server error messages in detail and > diagnose it. That is outside the scope of what I can help you with > ;). Use Google. > > If X starts up normally, then you can go back in to /etc/inittab and set > your run level back to 5 so that you will get an X login the next time you > reboot. > > > 7. GET AND INSTALL MPLAYER > > Ok, now we have the card drivers for the capture card installed and working > (we believe), and the video card driver installed and working. Let's > install a movie player and try out our sample.mpg capture. > > Download the tar file for MPlayer, you can find it via > http://www.freshmeat.net > > Uncompress and untar it. > > In the Mplayer directory, run: > > ./configure ; make ; make install > > Copy the mplayer example configuration file from ../etc/example.conf to > /usr/local/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf > > Read the file and tune it to your liking and erase the last line in the > file. > > Look at your test capture and be amazed that everything is working so far > > mplayer /path/to/sample.mpg > > > 8. INSTALL APT TO MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER (AND GET XMLTV FOR YOU) > > Go here and download the apt setup files: > > http://atrpms.physik.fu-berlin.de/dist/rh9/ > > You want: > atrpms-9-0_1at.noarch.rpm (from the atrpms dir) > libapt-pkg-0.5.5cnc5-0_24.90at.i386.rpm (from the apt dir) > apt-0.5.5cnc5-0_24.90at.i386.rpm (from the apt dir) > > To install them you want to become root and go to the directory you > downloaded them to and run: > > rpm -Uhv atrpms-9-0_1at.noarch.rpm > rpm -Uhv libapt-pkg-0.5.5cnc5-0_24.90at.i386.rpm > rpm -Uhv apt-0.5.5cnc5-0_24.90at.i386.rpm > > This will install apt and allow you to grab a few things you will need > later on. > > Now that apt is successfully installed, you want to tell it to update its > rpm lists: > > apt-get update > > Then you want to tell it to go and fetch XMLTV and its dependencies for > you, making your life much easier: > > apt-get install xmltv > > Follow the prompts to install XMLTV > > No need to do anything with XMLTV, Myth will work with it for you. > > > 9. DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL LAME FOR MP3 PLAYBACK > > Go to http://www.freshmeat.net and locate LAME and download the tarball > > Decompress it, and read the docs on installing it - it is very > straightforward. I didn't even write anything down for it so I'm guessing > it is your basic ./configure ; make ; make install - done as root - but you > can read the docs to be sure. > > > 10. USE APT TO GET AND INSTALL A FEW OTHER REQUIRED PACKAGES > > apt-get install qt-MySQL > (MySQL interfacing stuff for QT) > > apt-get install qt-devel > Development libraries for QT required to compile Myth > > > 11. SET YOUR PATH TO INCLUDE QT > > This is a very important and often missed step that screws up people before > they go to install Myth. As root, and in the window you intend to use to > compile Myth, execute this command > > export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt-3.1 > > I can not over emphasize the importance of the above line... > > Use "set | grep QT" to ensure it appears in your environment variable > output. > > You also want to add the QT directory to your path - the Myth installation > documentation http://www.mythtv.org covers this as well. Make sure you go > through their install docs in detail for Myth - I'm not going to repeat it > all. > > > 12. CHECK OUT THE MYTH CVS THEN BUILD IT - READ THEIR DETAILED FAQ > > Using the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org you can checkout the CVS of > Myth (which is the only place the PVR 250 is currently supported) and the > follow their instructions on configuring and building Myth. If you > followed my document this far you should have all the necessary libraries > and other depencies installed and working, and your QT stuff set up > properly (if Myth won't compile, problems with your QTDIR or path including > QT are the most likely culprits). > > Once you have the source, follow their instructions on compiling and then > setting it up. I will warn you now, on a 1.1Ghz system Myth takes a while > to compile (I think near 30 minutes) so don't be surprised. > > > 13. SET UP YOUR FANCY SCHMANCY REMOTE FOR USE WITH MYTH (LIRC) > > Don't bother doing this unless everything up to this point is working - ie > you have video and audio operating properly, you have myth up and running, > changing channels, your guide is up to date and so on. If all that is cool > then lets make your remote work. These instructions are for the newer > light grey remote that has the yellow/red/green/blue extra buttons. If you > have the older remote, your results may vary and the config files I suggest > won't be appropriate. > > Again you are going to need CVS, as only the latest version of lirc > supports the remotes for the PVR cards. > > You can get the details of how to check out the lirc CVS from the lirc > website : http://www.lirc.org > > Follow their instructions for compiling and installing it (again, it is > very straightfoward and it walks you through the configuration set in a > menu format where you select the WinPVR card as the source of the > remote). You will have to insmod the approrprite modules by hand and check > dmesg and /var/log/messages for errors. As you can see from the notes > below, you insmod the lirc_dev file first then the lirc_i2c module. Once > you have them loaded by hand you can add them to your /etc/modules.conf > file so they load automatically. Here is my complete /etc/modules.conf > entry for ivtv/lirc: > > # Start IVTV > alias char-major-81 videodev > alias char-major-81-0 ivtv > options ivtv debug=0 mpg_buffers=30 > options tuner type=8 > options msp3400 once=1 simple=1 > add below ivtv msp3400 saa7115 tuner lirc_dev lirc_i2c > #IVTV End > > > Once lirc is compiled and installed you want to put the right lircd.conf > file in place for your remote. This is provided by the IVTV team and can > be found in the ~/ivtv/ivtv/utils directory. > > copy ~/ivtv/ivtv/utils/lircd-g.conf /etc/lircd.conf > Copy the remote config to /etc where lircd looks by default > > Ok now you can fire up lircd which will start a log in /var/log/lircd for > any messages. > > Once that is running you can start up irw from within the tools directory > of your lirc source tree. irw will display the keys you press back to > stdout so you can see them. If irw starts and immediately exits you back > to the prompt, look at the error messages - something is wrong. Otherwise > it will just sit there and spit back the buttons you press and you will be > all excited because it is reading your remote. > > Ok now you are going to need a .lircrc file in the homedirectory of the > user you intend to run Myth as. I spent a bit of time creating a detailed > and commented config file for the PVR 250 remote and I will include it > below for you to cut/paste and modify as you see fit. When the "irxevent" > program starts it looks for this file. Put it in your homedir as .lircrc > and then in another window (leave irw running as it will continue to track > key presses) fire up irxevent (which reports nothing, but that is normal, > it will just sit there watching for key presses and translating them in to > commands in Myth for you). > > Once you do all this, you can start Myth in another window and your remote > should allow you to navigate through the system. > > Before I paste in the file I'll note that there are a few things you will > likely want to do. Putting lircd somewhere so it starts automatically, > disabling your screen saver so it doesnt blank out Myth on you, and > possibly downloading the NVTV project stuff from sourceforce so you can > have more control over your TV. (BTW your TV out should just work if you > connect an SVideo cable to the port on your card, are running my config > file, and have the TV turned on at boot). > > Well, that brings my document to an end for now, here is that lircrc file > and I hope you enjoy your Myth machine as much as I enjoy mine. > > -- CUT HERE -- > # May 19, 2003 - JAC - rev .1 > # > # .lircrc key bindings > # > # Suggested remote key bindings for MythTV Version .8 > # > # This is for the newer, light grey remote with red/yellow/blue/green keys > # that comes with the Hauppauge WinPVR 250 and 350(?) cards > # > # This file is case sensitive - so keep that in mind. > > # Channel Up > begin > prog = irxevent > button = CH+ > repeat = 3 > config = Key Up CurrentWindow > end > > # Channel Down > begin > prog = irxevent > button = CH- > repeat = 3 > config = Key Down CurrentWindow > end > > # OK/Select > begin > prog = irxevent > button = OK > repeat = 3 > config = Key space CurrentWindow > end > > # Play key for selecting recordings > begin > prog = irxevent > button = PLAY > repeat = 3 > config = Key space CurrentWindow > end > > # Record key for identifying recordings in EPG > begin > prog = irxevent > button = RECORD > repeat = 3 > config = Key space CurrentWindow > end > > # Pause playback > begin > prog = irxevent > button = MUTE > config = Key P CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = PAUSE > config = Key P CurrentWindow > end > > > # Escape/Exit/Back > begin > prog = irxevent > button = BACK/EXIT > config = Key Escape CurrentWindow > end > > # Also "Power off" key > begin > prog = irxevent > button = OFF > config = Key Escape CurrentWindow > end > > # Also "Stop" for movie playback > begin > prog = irxevent > button = STOP > config = Key Escape CurrentWindow > end > > # Also "RED", for instinct ;) > begin > prog = irxevent > button = RED > config = Key Escape CurrentWindow > end > > # BLANK on VCR key for deleting recordings from playback screen > begin > prog = irxevent > button = BLANK > config = Key D CurrentWindow > end > > # Turns on 'Browse' mode to allow scrolling OSD data while staying on > urrent channel (use arrows) > # Use any ESC key to exit browse mode > begin > prog = irxevent > button = GREEN > config = Key O CurrentWindow > end > > # Blue to record a show seen in browseable OSD > begin > prog = irxevent > button = BLUE > config = Key R CurrentWindow > end > > # Displays EPG when watching Live TV > begin > prog = irxevent > button = MENU > config = Key M CurrentWindow > end > > # Yellow to select and change to the highlighted channel from active EPG > (because OK records)begin > begin > prog = irxevent > button = YELLOW > config = Key M CurrentWindow > end > > # Toggles Full Screen Mode > begin > prog = irxevent > button = FULL > config = Key F CurrentWindow > end > > # Fast forward (default in Myth is 10 minute segment) > begin > prog = irxevent > button = SKIP > config = Key Page_Up CurrentWindow > end > > # Rewind (default in Muth is 10 minute segment) > begin > prog = irxevent > button = REPLAY > config = Key Page_Down CurrentWindow > end > > # Scroll Down > begin > prog = irxevent > button = VOL- > repeat = 3 > config = Key Left CurrentWindow > end > > # Scroll Up > begin > prog = irxevent > button = VOL+ > repeat = 3 > config = Key Right CurrentWindow > end > > # Rewind (default in Myth is 30 seconds) > begin > prog = irxevent > button = REW > repeat = 3 > config = Key Left CurrentWindow > end > > # Fast Forward (default in Myth is 30 seconds) > begin > prog = irxevent > button = FFW > repeat = 3 > config = Key Right CurrentWindow > end > > # Bring up OSD (this will auto-fade after a few seconds unlike GREEN which > reqs ESC to exit) > begin > prog = irxevent > button = GO > config = Key I CurrentWindow > end > > # Numeric key definitions > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 0 > config = Key 0 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 1 > config = Key 1 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 2 > config = Key 2 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 3 > config = Key 3 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 4 > config = Key 4 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 5 > config = Key 5 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 6 > config = Key 6 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 7 > config = Key 7 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 8 > config = Key 8 CurrentWindow > end > > begin > prog = irxevent > button = 9 > config = Key 9 CurrentWindow > end > > -- CUT HERE -- > > Well, that's all I can offer for now. I hope you found this document > useful. > > -Jeff > > > _______________________________________________ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users [at] snowman > http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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