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mitchell.gore at gmail

Mar 28, 2007, 1:01 PM

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Moving

Hi,

I am going to be moving soon and I was just starting to think about how this
will change things on my myth box.

Obvouslily i will be creating new channel line-ups. How will this effect
things?

I anticipate i will have to redo my recording schedules that are "record
anytime on channel XXXX" but what about my recordings? how will those
work?

Just wondering if there are any GOTCHA's with the process.

Thanks,
Mitchell

mitchell.gore at gmail

Mar 28, 2007, 1:50 PM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

sweet thanks for the reply

On 3/28/07, William Munson <william_munson[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Mitch Gore wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am going to be moving soon and I was just starting to think about
> > how this will change things on my myth box.
> >
> > Obvouslily i will be creating new channel line-ups. How will this
> > effect things?
> >
> > I anticipate i will have to redo my recording schedules that are
> > "record anytime on channel XXXX" but what about my recordings? how
> > will those work?
> >
> > Just wondering if there are any GOTCHA's with the process.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mitchell
> As someone who recently moved a myth box cross country. Delete and
> recreate your lineups. You will have to reassign them to inputs as all
> the old links are gone. Your existing recordings will not be affected
> but you will have to redo any channel specific rules. No real gotchas.
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mtdean at thirdcontact

Mar 28, 2007, 1:53 PM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

On 03/28/2007 05:48 PM, William Munson wrote:
> Mitch Gore wrote:
>
>> I am going to be moving soon and I was just starting to think about
>> how this will change things on my myth box.
>>
>> Obvouslily i will be creating new channel line-ups. How will this
>> effect things?
>>
>> I anticipate i will have to redo my recording schedules that are
>> "record anytime on channel XXXX" but what about my recordings? how
>> will those work?
>>
>> Just wondering if there are any GOTCHA's with the process
> As someone who recently moved a myth box cross country. Delete and
> recreate your lineups

using the "Delete All" button in mythtv-setup's Video Sources screen.

> . You will have to reassign them to inputs as all
> the old links are gone. Your existing recordings will not be affected
>

Other than showing "#<chanid>" (i.e. "#1232" or "#2872") rather than
showing the channel number and channel icon on recording
playback/recording selection.

> but you will have to redo any channel specific rules. No real gotchas.

Definitely true. If you use "Delete All", Myth will take care of all
the issues for you.

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william_munson at bellsouth

Mar 28, 2007, 2:23 PM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

Mitch Gore wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am going to be moving soon and I was just starting to think about
> how this will change things on my myth box.
>
> Obvouslily i will be creating new channel line-ups. How will this
> effect things?
>
> I anticipate i will have to redo my recording schedules that are
> "record anytime on channel XXXX" but what about my recordings? how
> will those work?
>
> Just wondering if there are any GOTCHA's with the process.
>
> Thanks,
> Mitchell
As someone who recently moved a myth box cross country. Delete and
recreate your lineups. You will have to reassign them to inputs as all
the old links are gone. Your existing recordings will not be affected
but you will have to redo any channel specific rules. No real gotchas.
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tarek-spam at zeusmail

Mar 29, 2007, 7:37 AM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

>
> > . You will have to reassign them to inputs as all
> > the old links are gone. Your existing recordings will not be affected
> >
>
> Other than showing "#<chanid>" (i.e. "#1232" or "#2872") rather than
> showing the channel number and channel icon on recording
> playback/recording selection.
>

Unless the channel ID happens to be in use in the new channel records.
This will result in funny situations like recordings that seem to have
been recorded on the wrong channels. (The Colbert Report on Animal Planet)
Not very annoying. Easily fixed in the DB.
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skd5aner at gmail

Mar 29, 2007, 3:17 PM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

On 3/28/07, Mitch Gore <mitchell.gore[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am going to be moving soon and I was just starting to think about how this
> will change things on my myth box.
>
> Obvouslily i will be creating new channel line-ups. How will this effect
> things?
>
> I anticipate i will have to redo my recording schedules that are "record
> anytime on channel XXXX" but what about my recordings? how will those work?
>
>
> Just wondering if there are any GOTCHA's with the process.
>
> Thanks,
> Mitchell

Yea, I just went through this as well. I wouldn't say it was hard,
but it was still sort of a pain (read: manual process).

You don't HAVE to delete your recording schedules, but it might be
just as easy to do so. The way I did it was very convoluted and I
don't think I could even explain the only way I could get it to work
for channel specific rules. Basically... I had to go into the
priorities screen, switch it to "any channel" then go to show
upcomming episodes for this title, then hit the info button on the
correct channel I wanted and select "edit options" then I would have
to select "this channel only", then save in THAT screen, then escape
all the way back without saving the initial entry point to the rule...
YES, that was the only way I could accomplish changing channel only
rules - not really user friendly or intuitive. You could just be lazy
and switch all your channel only rules to "record on any channel" and
be done with it, but I'm lazy.

Also, like some other folks said, just delete your old sources and add
your new ones. Also, some of my old recordings now assign the old
channel number with the new channel numbers so almost all of my
existing stored recordings say they were recorded on a different
network (new lineups) rather than referings the old lineups.

Thanks!
Matt
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bjm at lvcm

Mar 29, 2007, 4:11 PM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

Matt wrote:
> On 3/28/07, Mitch Gore <mitchell.gore[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am going to be moving soon and I was just starting to think about how this
>> will change things on my myth box.
>>
>> Obvouslily i will be creating new channel line-ups. How will this effect
>> things?
>>
>> I anticipate i will have to redo my recording schedules that are "record
>> anytime on channel XXXX" but what about my recordings? how will those work?
>>
>>
>> Just wondering if there are any GOTCHA's with the process.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mitchell
>
> Yea, I just went through this as well. I wouldn't say it was hard,
> but it was still sort of a pain (read: manual process).
>
> You don't HAVE to delete your recording schedules, but it might be

Correct...

> just as easy to do so. The way I did it was very convoluted and I

...but recreating all your rules with all the tweaks like
priority, profile, recording group, max episodes, etc, make
it a PITA when you can (as you discovered) change the type
to All then back and be done with it.

> don't think I could even explain the only way I could get it to work
> for channel specific rules. Basically... I had to go into the
> priorities screen, switch it to "any channel" then go to show
> upcomming episodes for this title, then hit the info button on the
> correct channel I wanted and select "edit options" then I would have
> to select "this channel only", then save in THAT screen, then escape
> all the way back without saving the initial entry point to the rule...
> YES, that was the only way I could accomplish changing channel only
> rules - not really user friendly or intuitive. You could just be lazy
> and switch all your channel only rules to "record on any channel" and
> be done with it, but I'm lazy.

I agree that it's hard to explain concisely but this is what I'd
recommend. The idea is that rules that need channel info won't
match after moving. However, when a rule is re-saved, the info
for the chosen showing is saved in the rule. Therefore:

- Change the type to "Record at any time on any channel"
- Look at the upcoming episode to find the right chan/time/day
- Change the type back.

Find* and All don't care about the channel so Single, Weekslot,
Timeslot and Channel are the only ones that need to be fixed.
Go the the Recording Priorities page and press "4" which will
sort by record type. Start at the top and knock them out. On
the first Single, press I, choose All, save, press O, choose
the correct showing and press I, change the type back to Single
and save. Rinse and repeat. Do this for "S", "W", "T", and "C"
only.

This is boring but it's got to be less difficult and a lot less
margin for error than recreating every rule from scratch.

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ylee at pobox

Mar 29, 2007, 9:54 PM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

Bruce Markey <bjm[at]lvcm.com> says:
> Find* and All don't care about the channel so Single, Weekslot,
> Timeslot and Channel are the only ones that need to be fixed.

[...]

> This is boring but it's got to be less difficult and a lot less
> margin for error than recreating every rule from scratch.

When I had a TiVo I thought ahead and avoided this hassle by not
setting up any Season Passes (the equivalent of Channel). I set up
Wishlists (keyword-based recording rules) instead.

I haven't done this with MythTV because of a) MythTV's many and varied
present recording rules--much, much more flexible than TiVo's
single-record and Season Pass options--and b) when I got started, back
in 0.18 days, one could not just push 'E' to bring up the Custom
Record screen when looking at a program listing. Maybe the
documentation should start encouraging people to use Custom Record
rules more often?

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ian at duckland

Mar 30, 2007, 12:01 AM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 21:54 -0700, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> When I had a TiVo I thought ahead and avoided this hassle by not
> setting up any Season Passes (the equivalent of Channel). I set up
> Wishlists (keyword-based recording rules) instead.

Not a bad idea. When Tivo shuffles the channel names, I end up silently
missing episodes of shows. Not good...

> I haven't done this with MythTV because of a) MythTV's many and varied
> present recording rules--much, much more flexible than TiVo's
> single-record and Season Pass options--and b) when I got started, back
> in 0.18 days, one could not just push 'E' to bring up the Custom
> Record screen when looking at a program listing. Maybe the
> documentation should start encouraging people to use Custom Record
> rules more often?

See, with Myth I ended up doing "on any channel" recordings. This way I
didn't have to set up multiple rules for Law & Order. However, I had to
go through some serious pain eliminating episodes that I'd already
watched. But once that was done, all was well. And now it's
portable... ;)

-I
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ylee at pobox

Mar 30, 2007, 8:12 AM

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Ian Forde <ian[at]duckland.org> says:
> See, with Myth I ended up doing "on any channel" recordings. This
> way I didn't have to set up multiple rules for Law & Order.
> However, I had to go through some serious pain eliminating episodes
> that I'd already watched. But once that was done, all was well.
> And now it's portable... ;)

I do the same thing for many rules. However, there are situations this
won't work for. For example, the travel programs _Smart Travels with
Rudy Maxa_ and _Rick Steves' Europe_ air on two HD channels (a local
PBS affiliate and HDNet) and several SD channels (various PBS
channels). I only want to watch the HD versions, naturally. So what
I've done here is to set up two Channel record rules, one each for PBS
and HDNet. I know the right way to do this, � la my Wishlist-only
policy with TiVo, is to set up a Custom Record rule for the program
and specify I only want HD versions, but a) I was lazy and b) I'm
always spooked by the notion--sometimes true in my experience--that
the guide data won't be accurate in terms of the HD flag.

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tarek-spam at zeusmail

Mar 30, 2007, 8:29 AM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 08:12:57AM -0700, Yeechang Lee wrote:
> Ian Forde <ian[at]duckland.org> says:
> > See, with Myth I ended up doing "on any channel" recordings. This
> > way I didn't have to set up multiple rules for Law & Order.
> > However, I had to go through some serious pain eliminating episodes
> > that I'd already watched. But once that was done, all was well.
> > And now it's portable... ;)
>
> I do the same thing for many rules. However, there are situations this
> won't work for. For example, the travel programs _Smart Travels with
> Rudy Maxa_ and _Rick Steves' Europe_ air on two HD channels (a local
> PBS affiliate and HDNet) and several SD channels (various PBS
> channels). I only want to watch the HD versions, naturally.

Doesn't raising the channel priority for the HD channels take care of
this? (I'm assuming the HD and non HD versions are on at the same time)

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ylee at pobox

Mar 30, 2007, 9:13 AM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

Tarek Soliman <tarek-spam[at]zeusmail.net> says:
> Doesn't raising the channel priority for the HD channels take care of
> this? (I'm assuming the HD and non HD versions are on at the same time)

Believe me, I'm well aware of channel and tuner priorities
(<URL:http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/216512#216512>)
and how wonderful they are! No, in this case, it's because the HD and
non-HD versions are on at different times.

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john at clonts

Mar 31, 2007, 4:00 PM

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On 3/28/07, Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:
[snip]

>
> using the "Delete All" button in mythtv-setup's Video Sources screen.
>

[snip]

Definitely true. If you use "Delete All", Myth will take care of all
> the issues for you.
>
>

I've wondered this for a while:
1) What is the difference between "Delete All" and "Delete All from Myth"
and
2) Is there any way to "Delete One". I've tried highlighting and and
hitting delete, D, etc. but can't seem to do it.

Thanks!
John Clonts

mtdean at thirdcontact

Mar 31, 2007, 4:58 PM

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On 03/31/2007 07:00 PM, John Clonts wrote:
> On 3/28/07, Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>> using the "Delete All" button in mythtv-setup's Video Sources screen.
> [snip]
>> Definitely true. If you use "Delete All", Myth will take care of all
>> the issues for you.
> I've wondered this for a while:
> 1) What is the difference between "Delete All" and "Delete All from Myth"

I'm guessing the hostname of your Myth box is "Myth." :)

The Delete All buttons do truncates. "Delete all capture cards on
<hostname>" deletes only those capture cards on this hostname (and,
therefore, does not do truncates--as there may be data for other hosts
in there). So, even if you have only one host, there /is/ a difference.

Most of the time when people have issues with their capture card/video
source/input connections/channels configuration it's due to leaving
around something that shouldn't be there.

"Delete all capture cards" truncates capturecard and cardinput
tables--meaning there's nothing left and you're starting from a clean
slate (including card ID's). Since mythtv-setup only displays info
about those capture cards on /this/ host, there may be many you don't
see (this happens a lot for single combined frontend/backend setups when
people change hostname/IP address without following the instructions on
the HOWTO - http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15 ).
"Delete all capture cards" will clear out those others, but "Delete all
capture cards on <hostname>" won't.

As far as video sources go, there should only be a "Delete all video
sources" button (video sources are handled by the master backend and
don't apply to specific hosts). "Delete all video sources" will
truncate channel, program, videosource, credits, programrating,
programgenres, dtv_multiplex, and cardinput. Again, the most common
problem with configuration of video sources/input connections/channels
is leaving something in the table that shouldn't be there (but that
might not be visible through the interface because Myth thinks it's some
other hosts data or ...).

I shorten the button names to "Delete All" (and for capture cards say,
"and not the 'on this host' one") because I never can remember the exact
wording and--to date--haven't felt it worthwhile to look them up every
time I type it (I post this suggestion a /lot/). If, however, you feel
that my suggestion is confusing, please let me know and I'll do better
about using the exact wording.

> and
> 2) Is there any way to "Delete One". I've tried highlighting and and
> hitting delete, D, etc. but can't seem to do it.

You should be able to do so by just pushing 'D' (unless you've re-mapped
key bindings). However, IMHO, doing so is only asking for trouble. :)
So, if you figure out how to make it work and someday you can't fix a
broken system using it, I never told you how to delete just one.

Mike
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john at clonts

Apr 2, 2007, 6:38 AM

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Re: Moving [In reply to]

On 3/31/07, Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:

> On 03/31/2007 07:00 PM, John Clonts wrote:
> > On 3/28/07, Michael T. Dean <mtdean[at]thirdcontact.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> using the "Delete All" button in mythtv-setup's Video Sources screen.
> > [snip]
> >> Definitely true. If you use "Delete All", Myth will take care of all
> >> the issues for you.
> > I've wondered this for a while:
> > 1) What is the difference between "Delete All" and "Delete All from
> Myth"
>
> I'm guessing the hostname of your Myth box is "Myth." :)
>
> The Delete All buttons do truncates. "Delete all capture cards on
> <hostname>" deletes only those capture cards on this hostname (and,
> therefore, does not do truncates--as there may be data for other hosts
> in there). So, even if you have only one host, there /is/ a difference.
>
> Most of the time when people have issues with their capture card/video
> source/input connections/channels configuration it's due to leaving
> around something that shouldn't be there.
>
> "Delete all capture cards" truncates capturecard and cardinput
> tables--meaning there's nothing left and you're starting from a clean
> slate (including card ID's). Since mythtv-setup only displays info
> about those capture cards on /this/ host, there may be many you don't
> see (this happens a lot for single combined frontend/backend setups when
> people change hostname/IP address without following the instructions on
> the HOWTO - http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15 ).
> "Delete all capture cards" will clear out those others, but "Delete all
> capture cards on <hostname>" won't.
>
> As far as video sources go, there should only be a "Delete all video
> sources" button (video sources are handled by the master backend and
> don't apply to specific hosts). "Delete all video sources" will
> truncate channel, program, videosource, credits, programrating,
> programgenres, dtv_multiplex, and cardinput. Again, the most common
> problem with configuration of video sources/input connections/channels
> is leaving something in the table that shouldn't be there (but that
> might not be visible through the interface because Myth thinks it's some
> other hosts data or ...).
>
> I shorten the button names to "Delete All" (and for capture cards say,
> "and not the 'on this host' one") because I never can remember the exact
> wording and--to date--haven't felt it worthwhile to look them up every
> time I type it (I post this suggestion a /lot/). If, however, you feel
> that my suggestion is confusing, please let me know and I'll do better
> about using the exact wording.
>
> > and
> > 2) Is there any way to "Delete One". I've tried highlighting and and
> > hitting delete, D, etc. but can't seem to do it.
>
> You should be able to do so by just pushing 'D' (unless you've re-mapped
> key bindings). However, IMHO, doing so is only asking for trouble. :)
> So, if you figure out how to make it work and someday you can't fix a
> broken system using it, I never told you how to delete just one.
>
> Mike

Thanks for the excellent explanation!

John

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