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hurgh1 at gmail

Sep 28, 2005, 1:07 AM

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Australian Digital TV Cards

Hi All,

I have been around the list for a while, and in the past have asked a few
questions.

I have started setting up a new PVR and am looking at putting in a Digital
(as appose to the analog one i have now) TV card.

Can people in australia please let me know 1) What card they are using, and
2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go for
a different one.

Also possibily some places to buy (online) would be a real help.

If there are some of you that think i should go for HD TV cards, feel free
to reply also with your comments on Which card, and possibily where to buy.
I have thought about it, but dont know if enough of the shows i want to
record will be in HD.

Thanks again for any help in this.

Regards

-Hurgh-

frosts1 at hotkey

Sep 28, 2005, 1:16 AM

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Re: Australian Digital TV Cards [In reply to]

Quoting Hurgh <hurgh1 [at] gmail>:

> Hi All,
>
> I have been around the list for a while, and in the past have asked a few
> questions.
>
> I have started setting up a new PVR and am looking at putting in a Digital
> (as appose to the analog one i have now) TV card.
>
> Can people in australia please let me know 1) What card they are using, and
> 2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go for
> a different one.
>
> Also possibily some places to buy (online) would be a real help.
>
> If there are some of you that think i should go for HD TV cards, feel free
> to reply also with your comments on Which card, and possibily where to buy.
> I have thought about it, but dont know if enough of the shows i want to
> record will be in HD.
>
> Thanks again for any help in this.
>
> Regards
>
> -Hurgh-
>

I use the DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1. You can get DVICO cards from
digitalnow.com.au (although I got mine off the shelf at Harvey Norman). It was a
pig for a while with driver support but that is all sorted in 2.6.13.
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philledwards at gmail

Sep 28, 2005, 1:35 AM

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> > Can people in australia please let me know 1) What card they are using, and
> > 2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go for
> > a different one.

I have 2 KWorld V-Stream Xpert DVB-T PCI cards which work a treat and
have great support in the kernel I'm running from ATRPMs
(2.6.11-1.27_FC3). I was advised to go for these as they don't have
buffer issues like some other cards. I would definitely buy them
again. The only downside is that the remote is pretty crappy (by which
I mean very few buttons) but I already had a decent remote anyway so
that didn't matter to me.

> > Also possibily some places to buy (online) would be a real help.

eBay is good - I got mine from this seller with no problems -
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/High-Definition-Digital-TV-Tuner-Capture-Card-RRP-189_W0QQitemZ5284907423QQcategoryZ111509QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Price $99.50. Some mug's trying to sell them for $160 so avoid that
one like the plague!

> > If there are some of you that think i should go for HD TV cards, feel free
> > to reply also with your comments on Which card, and possibily where to buy.
> > I have thought about it, but dont know if enough of the shows i want to
> > record will be in HD.

This card supports HD in Windows - not sure about Linux. But we get
sod all programs broadcast in HD anyway in Oz and you need a beefy CPU
to play it back so I don't think it's really worth the hassle.

My 2c worth,
Phill
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phatfil at optusnet

Sep 28, 2005, 1:49 AM

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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:07, Hurgh wrote:

>1) What card they are using
I'm using 2 twinhan visionplus dvb-t cards. They work fine. I got them from
www.msy.com.au (possibly the worst site on the net. just get the parts list
from http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf - $90 now I think). Don't be put
off by the dodgy site, I've bought plenty of stuff from them and they're
fine.

> 2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go for
> a different one.
I'd go for this one again, mainly because I'm cheap and it works fine.

> I have thought about it, but dont know if enough of the shows i want to
> record will be in HD.
It's *well* worth it - dvb SD programs are still _excellent_ quality (btw
these cards do HD fine with myth as long as reception is good enough). I
could never go back to analogue now, dvb is just too good.

Phil
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Sep 28, 2005, 1:57 AM

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Quoting Philip Nelson <phatfil [at] optusnet>:

> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:07, Hurgh wrote:
>
> >1) What card they are using
> I'm using 2 twinhan visionplus dvb-t cards. They work fine. I got them from
>
> www.msy.com.au (possibly the worst site on the net. just get the parts list
>
> from http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf - $90 now I think). Don't be put
>
> off by the dodgy site, I've bought plenty of stuff from them and they're
> fine.
>
> > 2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go
> for
> > a different one.
> I'd go for this one again, mainly because I'm cheap and it works fine.
>
> > I have thought about it, but dont know if enough of the shows i want to
> > record will be in HD.
> It's *well* worth it - dvb SD programs are still _excellent_ quality (btw
> these cards do HD fine with myth as long as reception is good enough). I
> could never go back to analogue now, dvb is just too good.
>
> Phil
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Before leaping into the twinhan visionplus dvb-t read this post
http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3999&highlight=twinhan

You may want to be sure that you are in a good signal area with a reasonable
antenna first.

And I forgot to mention before the DVICO has quite a nice remote.
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jon at whitear

Sep 28, 2005, 3:11 AM

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>Before leaping into the twinhan visionplus dvb-t read this post
>http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3999&highlight=twinhan
>
>You may want to be sure that you are in a good signal area with a reasonable
>antenna first.
>
>And I forgot to mention before the DVICO has quite a nice remote.
>_______________________________________________
>
>
I have a Twinhan VisionPlus DVB-T and an Ultraview (Dvico clone) DVB
Plus. I wouldn't buy another VisionPlus because (a) I occasionally get
module loading problems, but more importantly (b) it seems to have a
rather insensitive tuner.

Any DVB-T card you buy will do HDTV - it's a function of the software
(in this case Myth) rather than the hardware (perhaps with the exception
of some USB devices). Whether it's worthwhile or not is a different
question.

I struggled with getting the remote supplied with the Twinhan working
for a while. It has a USB receiver included (as I think they all do)
which means the remote shows up as a keyboard, and it is somewhat
difficult to remap the keys so that they make sense. IMHO it's easier to
build a serial IR receiver and use lirc. My Yamaha amp's universal
remote is excellent!

Cheers,

Jon
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ffrr at tpg

Sep 28, 2005, 5:31 AM

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drinnen at optusnet

Sep 28, 2005, 6:14 AM

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Phill Edwards wrote:
>>>Can people in australia please let me know 1) What card they are using, and
>>>2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go for
>>>a different one.

> I have 2 KWorld V-Stream Xpert DVB-T PCI cards which work a treat and
> have great support in the kernel I'm running from ATRPMs
> (2.6.11-1.27_FC3). I was advised to go for these as they don't have
> buffer issues like some other cards. I would definitely buy them
> again. The only downside is that the remote is pretty crappy (by which
> I mean very few buttons) but I already had a decent remote anyway so
> that didn't matter to me.

I agree on this, I've got an older VisionPlus card and a Kworld
card which has much better reception and gets on better
with my older motherboard. They're under $100 retail and most
places in Melbourne these days. Kworld card also has
composite+svideo inputs. (I use it for 31 but have some colour
problems).

I have the buffer issue with the VP card and will probably
add a second Kworld card sometime. The bright side of the VP
card I got was it has a usb remote which can be moved
independently of the card. The downside of the Kworld is
that as said above the remote is a bit flimsy (not sure
how many more keys people want? 32 the same as the VP)
and what annoys me most is the remote doesn't repeat,
so you can't ramp up/down volume easily (and my cheap
learning remote can't seem to learn the keys).

> This card supports HD in Windows - not sure about Linux. But we get
> sod all programs broadcast in HD anyway in Oz and you need a beefy CPU
> to play it back so I don't think it's really worth the hassle.

HD is a software thing and myth supports it so they do.
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hurgh1 at gmail

Sep 28, 2005, 2:15 PM

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Thanks all for the help so far, i am going to do a bit more research now
that i have an idea of what people are using.

Regards

-Hurgh-

On 9/28/05, Hurgh <hurgh1 [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been around the list for a while, and in the past have asked a few
> questions.
>
> I have started setting up a new PVR and am looking at putting in a Digital
> (as appose to the analog one i have now) TV card.
>
> Can people in australia please let me know 1) What card they are using,
> and 2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go
> for a different one.
>
> Also possibily some places to buy (online) would be a real help.
>
> If there are some of you that think i should go for HD TV cards, feel free
> to reply also with your comments on Which card, and possibily where to buy.
> I have thought about it, but dont know if enough of the shows i want to
> record will be in HD.
>
> Thanks again for any help in this.
>
> Regards
>
> -Hurgh-
>

andrew.herron at gmail

Sep 28, 2005, 5:34 PM

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On 28/09/05, Phill Edwards <philledwards [at] gmail> wrote:
> I have 2 KWorld V-Stream Xpert DVB-T PCI cards which work a treat and
> have great support in the kernel I'm running from ATRPMs
> (2.6.11-1.27_FC3). I was advised to go for these as they don't have
> buffer issues like some other cards. I would definitely buy them
> again. The only downside is that the remote is pretty crappy (by which
> I mean very few buttons) but I already had a decent remote anyway so
> that didn't matter to me.

I have the same card and will be buying a second one soon, bought it
from http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/ but they only have the external
version listed on their site atm :(

can't see any on ebay either, so I may have to go for a fusion card instead.

Andy
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Sep 28, 2005, 5:39 PM

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> I have the same card and will be buying a second one soon, bought it
> from http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/ but they only have the external
> version listed on their site atm :(
>
> can't see any on ebay either, so I may have to go for a fusion card instead.

Definitely some on eBay. Did you check the link in my earlier post in
this thread?

Regards,
Phill
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Sep 28, 2005, 5:46 PM

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yep and it's ended. I just realised I searched for "vstream" instead
of "v-stream" though so thats why it came up empty :)

the v-stream search only comes up with the $160 guys, but it turns out
that's because george doesn't include the word in his listing lol.
Looks like I'll be picking that up this week, thanks :D

Andy

On 29/09/05, Phill Edwards <philledwards [at] gmail> wrote:
> > I have the same card and will be buying a second one soon, bought it
> > from http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/ but they only have the external
> > version listed on their site atm :(
> >
> > can't see any on ebay either, so I may have to go for a fusion card instead.
>
> Definitely some on eBay. Did you check the link in my earlier post in
> this thread?
>
> Regards,
> Phill
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Sep 28, 2005, 6:13 PM

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I have three (3) AverMedia DVB-T 771's. They do HD (apparently) and I
am able to run all three on the same backend whilst also watching a
recording, all with a Sempron 2400 CPU.

I found them reasonably easy to install under FC2, even with my
noobness, but I imagine they will be really easy to install nowadays.

Cheers,
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Sep 29, 2005, 4:10 AM

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On 9/28/05, Hurgh <hurgh1 [at] gmail> wrote:
> Can people in australia please let me know 1) What card they are using, and
> 2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the same card or go for
> a different one.

I'm using two DNTV Live cards that I purchased from DigitalNow. I've
been very happy with the quality & reliability of these cards. The
only downside was I had to compile a custom kernel for them. I'd
happily buy these cards again.
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Sep 29, 2005, 5:57 AM

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On an only slightly related note, how long does it take you guys to
change channels? The cpu speed increase helped my system a little,
but it can still take 3-5 seconds. Is it the tv tuner I'm using?
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peter.dash at gmail

Sep 29, 2005, 9:01 AM

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> On an only slightly related note, how long does it take you guys to
> change channels? The cpu speed increase helped my system a little,
> but it can still take 3-5 seconds. Is it the tv tuner I'm using?

No, it's not the tuner - it's just the way it is at the moment. Good
things are happening in SVN at the moment with regards to this though
so 0.19 will likely have much snappier channel changing.
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Sep 30, 2005, 12:41 AM

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Andrew Herron wrote:

>On an only slightly related note, how long does it take you guys to
>change channels? The cpu speed increase helped my system a little,
>but it can still take 3-5 seconds. Is it the tv tuner I'm using?
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Yep same here, takes a few seconds. (Twinhan VP3020C Mini Ter card with
Philips tuner module on it)
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Sep 30, 2005, 12:42 AM

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Peter Dash wrote:

>>On an only slightly related note, how long does it take you guys to
>>change channels? The cpu speed increase helped my system a little,
>>but it can still take 3-5 seconds. Is it the tv tuner I'm using?
>>
>>
>
>No, it's not the tuner - it's just the way it is at the moment. Good
>things are happening in SVN at the moment with regards to this though
>so 0.19 will likely have much snappier channel changing.
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>
I hope you're right, although they tell me the rpms I have (from plf)
are really 19.1 - still slow though.

Nevertheless, it's not a huge annoyance, as there is no need to channel
surf when you have such a nice tv guide to search through.
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Sep 30, 2005, 4:36 AM

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> I hope you're right, although they tell me the rpms I have (from plf)
> are really 19.1 - still slow though.

0.19 has not been released yet. You must mean 0.18.1 :D

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Sep 30, 2005, 4:49 AM

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David Whyte wrote:

>>I hope you're right, although they tell me the rpms I have (from plf)
>>are really 19.1 - still slow though.
>>
>>
>
>0.19 has not been released yet. You must mean 0.18.1 :D
>
>
Nope - that was the point. They, plf, apparently released a 19.1
version and called it 18.1. The fact that mine has the ability to read
in a channels.conf file rather than having to scan for channels proved
it apparently. I am just going by what I have been told here.
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Oct 11, 2005, 3:47 AM

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Philip Shead wrote:

> The bright side of the VP
> card I got was it has a usb remote which can be moved
> independently of the card. The downside of the Kworld is
> that as said above the remote is a bit flimsy (not sure
> how many more keys people want? 32 the same as the VP)
> and what annoys me most is the remote doesn't repeat,
> so you can't ramp up/down volume easily (and my cheap
> learning remote can't seem to learn the keys).

slightly OT here... but I was wondering if you had any info available
(links etc) and getting this remote to work under linux in a way that is
compatible with myth?

I know it's a HID device and it does send keys fine - so I guess I just
need to either remap the keys it sends or configure myth differently?

Thanks for any info

Craig

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Oct 11, 2005, 8:23 AM

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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:47 pm, Craig Tinson wrote:
> Philip Shead wrote:
> > The bright side of the VP
> > card I got was it has a usb remote which can be moved
> > independently of the card. The downside of the Kworld is
> > that as said above the remote is a bit flimsy (not sure
> > how many more keys people want? 32 the same as the VP)
> > and what annoys me most is the remote doesn't repeat,
> > so you can't ramp up/down volume easily (and my cheap
> > learning remote can't seem to learn the keys).
>
> slightly OT here... but I was wondering if you had any info available
> (links etc) and getting this remote to work under linux in a way that is
> compatible with myth?
>
> I know it's a HID device and it does send keys fine - so I guess I just
> need to either remap the keys it sends or configure myth differently?

I've written a binary patch which changes the keymaping for usb keyboards so
the TwinHan VisionPlus DVB-T card remote better matches MythTV.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=7787;list=mythtv

Paul

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Oct 11, 2005, 9:06 AM

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Paul Andreassen wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:47 pm, Craig Tinson wrote:
>
>
>>Philip Shead wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The bright side of the VP
>>>card I got was it has a usb remote which can be moved
>>>independently of the card. The downside of the Kworld is
>>>that as said above the remote is a bit flimsy (not sure
>>>how many more keys people want? 32 the same as the VP)
>>>and what annoys me most is the remote doesn't repeat,
>>>so you can't ramp up/down volume easily (and my cheap
>>>learning remote can't seem to learn the keys).
>>>
>>>
>>slightly OT here... but I was wondering if you had any info available
>>(links etc) and getting this remote to work under linux in a way that is
>>compatible with myth?
>>
>>I know it's a HID device and it does send keys fine - so I guess I just
>>need to either remap the keys it sends or configure myth differently?
>>
>>
>
>I've written a binary patch which changes the keymaping for usb keyboards so
>the TwinHan VisionPlus DVB-T card remote better matches MythTV.
>
>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=7787;list=mythtv
>
>Paul
>
>
>
*excellent*

nice work Paul.. worked first time.. !

thanks

Craig
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Oct 11, 2005, 4:41 PM

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Hurgh wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have been around the list for a while, and in the past have asked a
> few questions.
>
> I have started setting up a new PVR and am looking at putting in a
> Digital (as appose to the analog one i have now) TV card.
>
> Can people in australia please let me know 1) What card they are
> using, and 2) if you were building it again, would you opt for the
> same card or go for a different one.

The cards I'm currently using are the DVico Fusion (one Plus and one
Light) HDTV cards. If I was to build another one, I wouldn't use a Plus
card (as I'm not using the video in feature).

The previous cards I used were Twinhan. I've since sold them on eBay
and I would definitely NOT buy one of those again. The signal quality
difference is chalk and cheese. On the Twinhan's I could only ever get
ABC and SBS reliably, while my el-cheapo Teac STB had no problems at
all. Even after recabling my house with quad shielded RG6, replacing
all the connectors with F-type, reducing the number of splits to three
and having an antenna expert (with all the appropriate gear for checking
digital signal quality) reposition the antenna I didn't get a much
better result with the Twinhans. The DVico's have performed flawlessly,
with the only problem being occasional errors where audio drops out
(although, the audio is still there if I watch it using winamp).

> Also possibily some places to buy (online) would be a real help.

<shameless_plug>
I actually sell the DVico's online at http://hometheatreheaven.com.au,
but there are a number of other places you can get them from.
</shameless_plug>

> If there are some of you that think i should go for HD TV cards, feel
> free to reply also with your comments on Which card, and possibily
> where to buy.
> I have thought about it, but dont know if enough of the shows i want
> to record will be in HD.

One of the problems with HDTV in Australia is the listings (at least the
ones generated from yahoo) don't make it possible to schedule it. But
you'll be hard pressed to find a DTV card that doesn't at least claim to
record HDTV. Plus it'll be worth it when the listings catch up and/or
the amount of HDTV content grows.

> Thanks again for any help in this.
>
> Regards
>
> -Hurgh-

Np, I hope whatever you get works well.

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Oct 12, 2005, 12:04 AM

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Re: Australian Digital TV Cards [In reply to]

Paul Andreassen wrote:

>
>
>I've written a binary patch which changes the keymaping for usb keyboards so
>the TwinHan VisionPlus DVB-T card remote better matches MythTV.
>
>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=7787;list=mythtv
>
>Paul
>
>
>
I'd like to try that too. How do I use it? I gather I compile it using

gcc usbhid-twinhan.c -o usbhid-twinhan

then run it?

When I do this, it fails saying "Can't open
/lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk/kernel/drivers/usb/input/usbhid.ko"

I think this is because all those .ko files in that directory are gzipped.
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