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drew at mykitchentable

May 3, 2005, 4:55 PM

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Third Attempt At Installing MythTV

I'm trying to build a MythTV box. I've been using FreeBSD for around 4
years but I have no experience with Linux. So my first attempt was to
build Myth on FreeBSD but there were lots of problems and eventually I
gave up. Since MythTV was written for Linux I thought I might have an
easier time just using Linux.

I started with Knoppmyth but couldn't get the CD to boot on my system.
Lurking here and seeing the success others were having with Fedora and
Jarod Wilson's guide prompted me to give that a try. But unfortunately,
I have a Promise 150 SATA controller in my system. Attached to this
card is a PATA (regular IDE) drive. However the sata_promise driver
doesn't support the PATA interface on this card. Only the SATA
interfaces.

Googling suggested that to get this support, I needed to patch the
sources with libata-devel and rebuild my own kernel. Lot's of googling
later and I've built and installed a custom kernel. Seems to boot fine
and the PATA drive is now recognized! :) But now, other packaged
modules such as the nvidia and ivtv drivers in Jarod Wilson's guide
don't work. :( I suspect this is because they were packaged for the
default kernel and not the custom one I built?

It appears I need to learn a whole lot more about Linux and how to build
what I need from source. Am I on the right track? Can anyone suggest
some good newbie guides to this stuff? I find snippets googling but
have been unable to turn up any complete guides.

Thanks,

Drew

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May 3, 2005, 5:15 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

--- Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
> I'm trying to build a MythTV box. I've been using
> FreeBSD for around 4
> years but I have no experience with Linux. So my
> first attempt was to
> build Myth on FreeBSD but there were lots of
> problems and eventually I
> gave up. Since MythTV was written for Linux I
> thought I might have an
> easier time just using Linux.
>
> I started with Knoppmyth but couldn't get the CD to
> boot on my system.
> Lurking here and seeing the success others were
> having with Fedora and
> Jarod Wilson's guide prompted me to give that a try.
> But unfortunately,
> I have a Promise 150 SATA controller in my system.
> Attached to this
> card is a PATA (regular IDE) drive. However the
> sata_promise driver
> doesn't support the PATA interface on this card.
> Only the SATA
> interfaces.
>
> Googling suggested that to get this support, I
> needed to patch the
> sources with libata-devel and rebuild my own kernel.
> Lot's of googling
> later and I've built and installed a custom kernel.
> Seems to boot fine
> and the PATA drive is now recognized! :) But now,
> other packaged
> modules such as the nvidia and ivtv drivers in Jarod
> Wilson's guide
> don't work. :( I suspect this is because they
> were packaged for the
> default kernel and not the custom one I built?
>
> It appears I need to learn a whole lot more about
> Linux and how to build
> what I need from source. Am I on the right track?
> Can anyone suggest
> some good newbie guides to this stuff? I find
> snippets googling but
> have been unable to turn up any complete guides.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>
> --
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nvidia and ivtv are very easy, nvidia just download
the version you want (probably 7174) so wget
ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run
and then as root sh
./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run
It'll do everything for you, build and install the
kernel module and the xorg driver/libs.
For ivtv just download what you need, I have a old
freestyle so I would use wget
http://www.ivtv.tv/releases/ivtv-0.2/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j.tgz
tar xzf ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j.tgz; cd
ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver; make; make install; cd
../utils; make make install
Hope this make sense, trying to get the kids ready for
bed.
I had to create some devices in /etc/udev/devices for
the nvidia stuff and had to set up an file to load
modules before mythbackend starts, basically modprobe
ivtv

Howard

joebarnhart at yahoo

May 3, 2005, 11:13 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

--- Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
> ..snip..

At some point, you just have to ask yourself, "why is everything so
hard for me, but easier for everyone else?" I see lots of people who
have success with KnoppMyth (myself included) and lots who are
successful with Jarod's guide. Why fight with half-baked, incompatible
hardware? Hardware is so darned cheap these days, just get something
that WORKS and use either path. Don't make everything so difficult by
using hardware that isn't supported. Get something that works and move
on with life.

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drew at mykitchentable

May 4, 2005, 10:52 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/3/2005 11:13 PM Joe Barnhart wrote:

>--- Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
>
>
>>..snip..
>>
>>
>At some point, you just have to ask yourself, "why is everything so
>hard for me, but easier for everyone else?" I see lots of people who
>have success with KnoppMyth (myself included) and lots who are
>successful with Jarod's guide. Why fight with half-baked, incompatible
>hardware? Hardware is so darned cheap these days, just get something
>that WORKS and use either path. Don't make everything so difficult by
>using hardware that isn't supported. Get something that works and move
>on with life.
>
I fight with my "half-baked incompatible hardware" for the same reason
that I continue to drink and smoke. Because no one likes a quitter! :)

But seriously, I understand your point. If my ONLY goal is to get a
working Myth box as fast as possible, then just go with what's easiest.
But I have an additional goal -- To learn HOW stuff works. I want to
learn HOW because (a) it will increase my skill set and make me a more
desirable employee, and (b) in the spirit of open source software, I'd
like to be able to give back to the community that has given to me. I
don't want to be a "taker" only.

Cheers,

Drew

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drew at mykitchentable

May 4, 2005, 10:56 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/3/2005 5:15 PM Howard Cokl wrote:

>--- Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm trying to build a MythTV box. I've been using
>>FreeBSD for around 4
>>years but I have no experience with Linux. So my
>>first attempt was to
>>build Myth on FreeBSD but there were lots of
>>problems and eventually I
>>gave up. Since MythTV was written for Linux I
>>thought I might have an
>>easier time just using Linux.
>>
>>I started with Knoppmyth but couldn't get the CD to
>>boot on my system.
>>Lurking here and seeing the success others were
>>having with Fedora and
>>Jarod Wilson's guide prompted me to give that a try.
>> But unfortunately,
>>I have a Promise 150 SATA controller in my system.
>>Attached to this
>>card is a PATA (regular IDE) drive. However the
>>sata_promise driver
>>doesn't support the PATA interface on this card.
>>Only the SATA
>>interfaces.
>>
>>Googling suggested that to get this support, I
>>needed to patch the
>>sources with libata-devel and rebuild my own kernel.
>> Lot's of googling
>>later and I've built and installed a custom kernel.
>>Seems to boot fine
>>and the PATA drive is now recognized! :) But now,
>>other packaged
>>modules such as the nvidia and ivtv drivers in Jarod
>>Wilson's guide
>>don't work. :( I suspect this is because they
>>were packaged for the
>>default kernel and not the custom one I built?
>>
>>It appears I need to learn a whole lot more about
>>Linux and how to build
>>what I need from source. Am I on the right track?
>>Can anyone suggest
>>some good newbie guides to this stuff? I find
>>snippets googling but
>>have been unable to turn up any complete guides.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>--
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>nvidia and ivtv are very easy, nvidia just download
>the version you want (probably 7174) so wget
>ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run
>and then as root sh
>./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run
>It'll do everything for you, build and install the
>kernel module and the xorg driver/libs.
>For ivtv just download what you need, I have a old
>freestyle so I would use wget
>http://www.ivtv.tv/releases/ivtv-0.2/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j.tgz
>tar xzf ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j.tgz; cd
>ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver; make; make install; cd
>../utils; make make install
>Hope this make sense, trying to get the kids ready for
>bed.
>I had to create some devices in /etc/udev/devices for
>the nvidia stuff and had to set up an file to load
>modules before mythbackend starts, basically modprobe
>ivtv
>
>
Thanks Howard! I've been able to compile these parts and get them
running. However I still don't understand if I'm going to be able to
use rpms that are generally available or if I will need to compile code
for everything I want to run.

Thanks,

Drew

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llcooljeff at gmail

May 4, 2005, 11:08 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/3/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
> I'm trying to build a MythTV box.
> [ snip ]
> Googling suggested that to get this support, I needed to patch the
> sources with libata-devel and rebuild my own kernel. Lot's of googling
> later and I've built and installed a custom kernel. Seems to boot fine
> and the PATA drive is now recognized! :) But now, other packaged
> modules such as the nvidia and ivtv drivers in Jarod Wilson's guide
> don't work. :( I suspect this is because they were packaged for the
> default kernel and not the custom one I built?
>
> It appears I need to learn a whole lot more about Linux and how to build
> what I need from source. Am I on the right track? Can anyone suggest
> some good newbie guides to this stuff? I find snippets googling but
> have been unable to turn up any complete guides.

You're in a tough position. Being new to linux, you'd like to have a
system that is very easy to use, but seeing that you have strange and
partially unsupported hardware, it makes it tough.

Not to be a gung-ho gentoo user, but using a linux distro that is
source-based may be a good idea for you. That way you won't ever run
into problems where a package is compiled for a certain kernel / os /
etc.

Once I had gentoo up and running, myth is almost as simple as "emerge
mythtv ivtv". I'm sure it's almost as easy for those using apt-get or
possibly yum, but I believe those are still using pre-compiled binary
packages.

Gentoo is tough to start out with, but the install guide is very full
featured and explains every step of the way, and the forums are great
for getting answers to difficult problems.

- Jeff
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hojoloco at yahoo

May 4, 2005, 11:37 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

<snip>

> >nvidia and ivtv are very easy, nvidia just download
> >the version you want (probably 7174) so wget
>
>ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run
> >and then as root sh
> >./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run
> >It'll do everything for you, build and install the
> >kernel module and the xorg driver/libs.
> >For ivtv just download what you need, I have a old
> >freestyle so I would use wget
>
>http://www.ivtv.tv/releases/ivtv-0.2/ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j.tgz
> >tar xzf ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j.tgz; cd
> >ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j/driver; make; make install; cd
> >../utils; make make install
> >Hope this make sense, trying to get the kids ready
> for
> >bed.
> >I had to create some devices in /etc/udev/devices
> for
> >the nvidia stuff and had to set up an file to load
> >modules before mythbackend starts, basically
> modprobe
> >ivtv
> >
> >
> Thanks Howard! I've been able to compile these
> parts and get them
> running. However I still don't understand if I'm
> going to be able to
> use rpms that are generally available or if I will
> need to compile code
> for everything I want to run.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>

Drew,
I'm no expert on FC3 (myth is my only FC box,
otherwise slackware) but I think you should be able to
apt-get all of the myth stuff from atrpms. They
should run on your custom kernel just fine I would
think.

Howard

drew at mykitchentable

May 4, 2005, 12:00 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/4/2005 11:08 AM Jeff Simpson wrote:

>On 5/3/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm trying to build a MythTV box.
>>[ snip ]
>>Googling suggested that to get this support, I needed to patch the
>>sources with libata-devel and rebuild my own kernel. Lot's of googling
>>later and I've built and installed a custom kernel. Seems to boot fine
>>and the PATA drive is now recognized! :) But now, other packaged
>>modules such as the nvidia and ivtv drivers in Jarod Wilson's guide
>>don't work. :( I suspect this is because they were packaged for the
>>default kernel and not the custom one I built?
>>
>>It appears I need to learn a whole lot more about Linux and how to build
>>what I need from source. Am I on the right track? Can anyone suggest
>>some good newbie guides to this stuff? I find snippets googling but
>>have been unable to turn up any complete guides.
>>
>>
>
>You're in a tough position. Being new to linux, you'd like to have a
>system that is very easy to use, but seeing that you have strange and
>partially unsupported hardware, it makes it tough.
>
>Not to be a gung-ho gentoo user, but using a linux distro that is
>source-based may be a good idea for you. That way you won't ever run
>into problems where a package is compiled for a certain kernel / os /
>etc.
>
>Once I had gentoo up and running, myth is almost as simple as "emerge
>mythtv ivtv". I'm sure it's almost as easy for those using apt-get or
>possibly yum, but I believe those are still using pre-compiled binary
>packages.
>
>Gentoo is tough to start out with, but the install guide is very full
>featured and explains every step of the way, and the forums are great
>for getting answers to difficult problems.
>
>

Thanks for the tip! Your the second that has recommended Gentoo. I may
go that route as it sounds more like the FreeBSD that I am used to. I
just tried Fedora because it's very similar to RedHat and RedHat is the
only "allowed" distro (because of support contracts) at my place of
employment. Thus I'd be "killing two birds with one stone", so to speak.

Cheers,

Drew

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dbrieck at gmail

May 4, 2005, 6:38 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/4/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip! Your the second that has recommended Gentoo. I may
> go that route as it sounds more like the FreeBSD that I am used to. I
> just tried Fedora because it's very similar to RedHat and RedHat is the
> only "allowed" distro (because of support contracts) at my place of
> employment. Thus I'd be "killing two birds with one stone", so to speak.

Well, then let me be the 3rd to recomend gentoo. The servers I admin
at work are RedHat so I get plenty of RPM hell there. It's nice to
come home and sit in front of my Myth setup and just relax. Another
nice thing for me is that I can upgrade just myth and it's
dependancies and not worry about upgrading to the last FC version or
whatnot. My Myth box is still running a 2.4 kernel and old stuff all
over the place but I don't have any problems upgrading myth whenever
there is a new version. Some would say Gentoo is not a stable platform
but I say it's as stable as you want it to be.
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drew at mykitchentable

May 4, 2005, 9:28 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/4/2005 6:38 PM David Brieck Jr. wrote:

>On 5/4/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
>
>
>>Thanks for the tip! Your the second that has recommended Gentoo. I may
>>go that route as it sounds more like the FreeBSD that I am used to. I
>>just tried Fedora because it's very similar to RedHat and RedHat is the
>>only "allowed" distro (because of support contracts) at my place of
>>employment. Thus I'd be "killing two birds with one stone", so to speak.
>>
>>
>
>
>Well, then let me be the 3rd to recomend gentoo. The servers I admin
>at work are RedHat so I get plenty of RPM hell there. It's nice to
>come home and sit in front of my Myth setup and just relax. Another
>nice thing for me is that I can upgrade just myth and it's
>dependancies and not worry about upgrading to the last FC version or
>whatnot. My Myth box is still running a 2.4 kernel and old stuff all
>over the place but I don't have any problems upgrading myth whenever
>there is a new version. Some would say Gentoo is not a stable platform
>but I say it's as stable as you want it to be.
>
>
Well as they say, "the third time is the charm!". I went to the
gentoo.org web site and like what I see. I have been completely
frustrated with Fedora and the packages "getting in my way". I've
missed the simple 'portinstall <port>' and have the system build from
source, optimized for my processor and environment. Gentoo seems to
have this with 'emerge' and may provide a "best of both worlds"
solutions for me. I'll learn how Linux works and be able to find my way
around a RedHat system without too much trouble. I'll learn to deal
with rpm issues at work but my home system will be mine to do with as I
wish.

I'm downloading the universal install CD now. It will take too long for
me to try it tonight but hopefully I'll get a chance tomorrow.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Drew

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May 5, 2005, 8:11 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/4/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
> I'm trying to build a MythTV box. I've been using FreeBSD for around 4
> years but I have no experience with Linux. So my first attempt was to
> build Myth on FreeBSD but there were lots of problems and eventually I
> gave up. Since MythTV was written for Linux I thought I might have an
> easier time just using Linux.
>
> I started with Knoppmyth but couldn't get the CD to boot on my system.
> Lurking here and seeing the success others were having with Fedora and
> Jarod Wilson's guide prompted me to give that a try. But unfortunately,
> I have a Promise 150 SATA controller in my system. Attached to this
> card is a PATA (regular IDE) drive. However the sata_promise driver
> doesn't support the PATA interface on this card. Only the SATA
> interfaces.
>
> Googling suggested that to get this support, I needed to patch the
> sources with libata-devel and rebuild my own kernel. Lot's of googling
> later and I've built and installed a custom kernel. Seems to boot fine
> and the PATA drive is now recognized! :) But now, other packaged
> modules such as the nvidia and ivtv drivers in Jarod Wilson's guide
> don't work. :( I suspect this is because they were packaged for the
> default kernel and not the custom one I built?
>
> It appears I need to learn a whole lot more about Linux and how to build
> what I need from source. Am I on the right track? Can anyone suggest
> some good newbie guides to this stuff? I find snippets googling but
> have been unable to turn up any complete guides.

Drew,

Out of interest, what system/motherboard are you builing your Myth
system with? Are there no other PATA connectors other than those
connected to the Promise controller?

Nick
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drew at mykitchentable

May 5, 2005, 11:45 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/5/2005 8:11 AM Nick wrote:

>On 5/4/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm trying to build a MythTV box. I've been using FreeBSD for around 4
>>years but I have no experience with Linux. So my first attempt was to
>>build Myth on FreeBSD but there were lots of problems and eventually I
>>gave up. Since MythTV was written for Linux I thought I might have an
>>easier time just using Linux.
>>
>>I started with Knoppmyth but couldn't get the CD to boot on my system.
>>Lurking here and seeing the success others were having with Fedora and
>>Jarod Wilson's guide prompted me to give that a try. But unfortunately,
>>I have a Promise 150 SATA controller in my system. Attached to this
>>card is a PATA (regular IDE) drive. However the sata_promise driver
>>doesn't support the PATA interface on this card. Only the SATA
>>interfaces.
>>
>>Googling suggested that to get this support, I needed to patch the
>>sources with libata-devel and rebuild my own kernel. Lot's of googling
>>later and I've built and installed a custom kernel. Seems to boot fine
>>and the PATA drive is now recognized! :) But now, other packaged
>>modules such as the nvidia and ivtv drivers in Jarod Wilson's guide
>>don't work. :( I suspect this is because they were packaged for the
>>default kernel and not the custom one I built?
>>
>>It appears I need to learn a whole lot more about Linux and how to build
>>what I need from source. Am I on the right track? Can anyone suggest
>>some good newbie guides to this stuff? I find snippets googling but
>>have been unable to turn up any complete guides.
>>
>>
>
>Drew,
>
>Out of interest, what system/motherboard are you builing your Myth
>system with? Are there no other PATA connectors other than those
>connected to the Promise controller?
>
The motherboard is an Asus K7V-T. It does have two UDMA/66 connectors
with only a CD drive attached to the primary. However the Promise card
has a UDMA/133 connector and the drive supports the higher speed so
that's why I'm trying to use it. I know I could just go along with
"what works" as one poster suggested and if just getting a Myth box
running was my only goal, that's what I would do. But I like to learn
why stuff works the way it does so I don't mind trying to get this
working "the hard way". And to be honest, I suspect once I get the
system running and use it awhile, I'll go out and buy complete new
hardware as this box is just an AMD Thunderbird running at 750 mhz. I
can already tell that I'll be pushing the limits of this processor.

Cheers,

Drew

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May 5, 2005, 11:58 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

> Well as they say, "the third time is the charm!". I went to the
> gentoo.org web site and like what I see. I have been completely
> frustrated with Fedora and the packages "getting in my way". I've
> missed the simple 'portinstall <port>' and have the system build from
> source, optimized for my processor and environment. Gentoo seems to
> have this with 'emerge' and may provide a "best of both worlds"
> solutions for me. I'll learn how Linux works and be able to find my way
> around a RedHat system without too much trouble. I'll learn to deal
> with rpm issues at work but my home system will be mine to do with as I
> wish.
>
> I'm downloading the universal install CD now. It will take too long for
> me to try it tonight but hopefully I'll get a chance tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions!

By "tomorrow" you probably mean "over the course of the next week or
so". Gentoo takes a long time to install, mainly because you have to
do a lot of it by hand. The best way is to have a spare PC around that
you can use for browsing the net and searching/posting gentoo forums
for help as you go. Deciding what to partition where and getting the
initial install is the hard part, once you pick what you want you can
just follow the gentoo myth guides that are out there, for the most
part (I believe - I'm not sure since I installed myth on top of an
already-working gentoo system)

- Jeff
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May 5, 2005, 12:56 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

>
> By "tomorrow" you probably mean "over the course of the next week or
> so". Gentoo takes a long time to install, mainly because you have to
> do a lot of it by hand. The best way is to have a spare PC around that
> you can use for browsing the net and searching/posting gentoo forums
> for help as you go. Deciding what to partition where and getting the
> initial install is the hard part, once you pick what you want you can
> just follow the gentoo myth guides that are out there, for the most
> part (I believe - I'm not sure since I installed myth on top of an
> already-working gentoo system)
>
> - Jeff
>

I would second that. I always get the SSH server up and running first
so I can do other things and read the manuals in an easier fashion
while getting things installed. I would probably do a stage3 install
to get you up and running fairly quickly. Afterwards you can always
recompile your entire system over the weekend or something.
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May 6, 2005, 11:53 AM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/5/2005 12:56 PM David Brieck Jr. wrote:

>>By "tomorrow" you probably mean "over the course of the next week or
>>so". Gentoo takes a long time to install, mainly because you have to
>>do a lot of it by hand. The best way is to have a spare PC around that
>>you can use for browsing the net and searching/posting gentoo forums
>>for help as you go. Deciding what to partition where and getting the
>>initial install is the hard part, once you pick what you want you can
>>just follow the gentoo myth guides that are out there, for the most
>>part (I believe - I'm not sure since I installed myth on top of an
>>already-working gentoo system)
>>
>> - Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>
>I would second that. I always get the SSH server up and running first
>so I can do other things and read the manuals in an easier fashion
>while getting things installed. I would probably do a stage3 install
>to get you up and running fairly quickly. Afterwards you can always
>recompile your entire system over the weekend or something.
>
Yeah, actually it's been harder than that. To sum it up, right now I'm
sitting at work, looking at the livecd# prompt via an ssh connection.
The livecd boot seems to have only picked up my IDE drive attached to my
Promise 150 PATA connector. I can see it via fdisk /dev/sda1.

I also have two SCSI drives connected to an Advansys controller but they
are nowhere to be found. I know I was required to load a driver when
installing Fedora Core 3. I suspect I have to do something similar here
but have no clue where to begin. Google hasn't turned up anything so I
made a plea to the gentoo-users list. I'm anxiously awaiting someone to
take pity on me. :)

Cheers,

Drew

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May 6, 2005, 7:24 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/6/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
>
> >
> Yeah, actually it's been harder than that. To sum it up, right now I'm
> sitting at work, looking at the livecd# prompt via an ssh connection.
> The livecd boot seems to have only picked up my IDE drive attached to my
> Promise 150 PATA connector. I can see it via fdisk /dev/sda1.
>
> I also have two SCSI drives connected to an Advansys controller but they
> are nowhere to be found. I know I was required to load a driver when
> installing Fedora Core 3. I suspect I have to do something similar here
> but have no clue where to begin. Google hasn't turned up anything so I
> made a plea to the gentoo-users list. I'm anxiously awaiting someone to
> take pity on me. :)

I take it you are trying to install your system to one of the SCSI drives?
If you're not, just go ahead and install everything to the IDE drive and
when you get to the part of compiling your kernel just make sure you build
in the driver. It looks like that particular driver isn't loaded by default.

You'll have to change the code maturity option so that you'll be able to
find the driver in the SCSI low level menu of your kenerl configure. The
fact that it's a new driver is probably why it's not loading for you by
default.

Your best bet is to install to your IDE drive, and if you'd like your SCSI
drive to be your boot drive just build the correct kernel drvier and move
your data over once your system is running. Don't forget to change your
fstab though before rebooting on the SCSI drive.

paul.l.harvey at gmail

May 6, 2005, 9:06 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/6/05, David Brieck Jr. <dbrieck [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>
> On 5/6/05, Drew Tomlinson <drew [at] mykitchentable> wrote:
> > >
> > Yeah, actually it's been harder than that. To sum it up, right now I'm
> > sitting at work, looking at the livecd# prompt via an ssh connection.
> > The livecd boot seems to have only picked up my IDE drive attached to my
> > Promise 150 PATA connector. I can see it via fdisk /dev/sda1.
> >
> > I also have two SCSI drives connected to an Advansys controller but they
> > are nowhere to be found. I know I was required to load a driver when
> > installing Fedora Core 3. I suspect I have to do something similar here
> > but have no clue where to begin. Google hasn't turned up anything so I
> > made a plea to the gentoo-users list. I'm anxiously awaiting someone to
> > take pity on me. :)
>
> I take it you are trying to install your system to one of the SCSI drives?
> If you're not, just go ahead and install everything to the IDE drive and
> when you get to the part of compiling your kernel just make sure you build
> in the driver. It looks like that particular driver isn't loaded by default.
>
> You'll have to change the code maturity option so that you'll be able to
> find the driver in the SCSI low level menu of your kenerl configure. The
> fact that it's a new driver is probably why it's not loading for you by
> default.
>
> Your best bet is to install to your IDE drive, and if you'd like your SCSI
> drive to be your boot drive just build the correct kernel drvier and move
> your data over once your system is running. Don't forget to change your
> fstab though before rebooting on the SCSI drive.
>
>
>
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If you haven't found them yet, you might want to check out the Gentoo
forums. http://forums.gentoo.org I don't think I've encountered any
problems with Gentoo that someone hasn't asked about there, and almost
always someone has the answer.

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May 7, 2005, 12:33 PM

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Re: Third Attempt At Installing MythTV [In reply to]

On 5/6/2005 7:24 PM David Brieck Jr. wrote:

>
>
> On 5/6/05, *Drew Tomlinson* <drew [at] mykitchentable
> <mailto:drew [at] mykitchentable>> wrote:
>
> >
> Yeah, actually it's been harder than that. To sum it up, right
> now I'm
> sitting at work, looking at the livecd# prompt via an ssh connection.
> The livecd boot seems to have only picked up my IDE drive attached
> to my
> Promise 150 PATA connector. I can see it via fdisk /dev/sda1.
>
> I also have two SCSI drives connected to an Advansys controller
> but they
> are nowhere to be found. I know I was required to load a driver when
> installing Fedora Core 3. I suspect I have to do something
> similar here
> but have no clue where to begin. Google hasn't turned up anything
> so I
> made a plea to the gentoo-users list. I'm anxiously awaiting
> someone to
> take pity on me. :)
>
>
> I take it you are trying to install your system to one of the SCSI
> drives? If you're not, just go ahead and install everything to the
> IDE drive and when you get to the part of compiling your kernel just
> make sure you build in the driver. It looks like that particular
> driver isn't loaded by default.
>
> You'll have to change the code maturity option so that you'll be able
> to find the driver in the SCSI low level menu of your kenerl
> configure. The fact that it's a new driver is probably why it's not
> loading for you by default.
>
> Your best bet is to install to your IDE drive, and if you'd like your
> SCSI drive to be your boot drive just build the correct kernel drvier
> and move your data over once your system is running. Don't forget to
> change your fstab though before rebooting on the SCSI drive.

I found instructions for booting from Knoppix and installing that way.
Ironically, Knoppix sees the Advansys controller but not the PATA
connector on the Promise card. But no matter because I want to use the
IDE drive only as storage for recorded shows. Thus I'm sure it will
either "just work" once I get Gentoo built or I will be able to make it
work.

Thanks for all your help and suggestions!

Drew

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