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Jan 15, 2005, 8:05 AM

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AMD or Intel?

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone has a preference between AMD and Intel for a
MythTV box.

I will be running two HD-3000 cards and probably an nVidia graphics card
with DVI out to a HDMI device in 720p.

So, do you prefer AMD 64? Intell with Hyperthreading? And what would I
look for as the minimum speed i would need to do this?

Thanks!

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Jan 15, 2005, 8:21 AM

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RE: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

I'm not running myth just yet but have purchased and AMD64 3800+ for the purpose. I realize this chip is more muscle that the job requires, but the box is slated to do other things as well. That aside, i'm a big AMD fan in general, and have been using them for many years now. Which video card do you have? I want to pick-up an nVidia with DVI for this project, but I'm not sure which to go with.

>From: Comments <comments [at] mecworks> >Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv> >To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv> >Subject: [mythtv-users] AMD or Intel? >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:05:30 -0700 > >Hi all, > >I was wondering if anyone has a preference between AMD and Intel for >a MythTV box. > >I will be running two HD-3000 cards and probably an nVidia graphics >card with DVI out to a HDMI device in 720p. > >So, do you prefer AMD 64? Intell with Hyperthreading? And what >would I look for as the minimum speed i would need to do this? > >Thanks! > >-- >Marc Christensen >http://www.mecworks.com >http://blog.mecworks.com >http://gallery.mecworks.com >_______________________________________________ >mythtv-users mailing list >mythtv-users [at] mythtv >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users


johnatl at mac

Jan 15, 2005, 9:07 AM

Post #3 of 18 (7026 views)
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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's (deceptive, IMO) "model
numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and a 2200+ AMD, you will
be disappointed with the performance, since the AMD 2200+ is a 1.5GHz
processor.

I've never used AMD because of this practice. It seems Intel is getting
into this now with their part numbers, such as 520, 530, etc. The first
digit being 5 implies they are faster than AMD's models which begin
with 2 or 3.

Regards,
JJ

On 15-Jan-2005, at 11:05, Comments wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a preference between AMD and Intel for a
> MythTV box.
>
> I will be running two HD-3000 cards and probably an nVidia graphics
> card with DVI out to a HDMI device in 720p.
>
> So, do you prefer AMD 64? Intell with Hyperthreading? And what would
> I look for as the minimum speed i would need to do this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Marc Christensen
> http://www.mecworks.com
> http://blog.mecworks.com
> http://gallery.mecworks.com
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-users mailing list
> mythtv-users [at] mythtv
> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>


michael_haan at hotmail

Jan 15, 2005, 9:22 AM

Post #4 of 18 (7021 views)
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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

That's because the processing power of a chip is not directly related to it's speed. AMD's designation, though not clearly spelled-out, implies a comparative number to be used against intel's outdated GHz ratings. In fact, AMD has chips which operate at the same speed, but with different designations, the only (but still significant) difference being the size of the on-board cache.
>From: John Johnson <johnatl [at] mac> >Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv> >To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv> >Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] AMD or Intel? >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:07:39 -0500 > >When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's (deceptive, IMO) "model >numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and a 2200+ AMD, you >will be disappointed with the performance, since the AMD 2200+ is a >1.5GHz processor. > >I've never used AMD because of this practice. It seems Intel is >getting into this now with their part numbers, such as 520, 530, >etc. The first digit being 5 implies they are faster than AMD's >models which begin with 2 or 3. > >Regards, > JJ > >On 15-Jan-2005, at 11:05, Comments wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I was wondering if anyone has a preference between AMD and Intel >>for a MythTV box. >> >>I will be running two HD-3000 cards and probably an nVidia graphics >>card with DVI out to a HDMI device in 720p. >> >>So, do you prefer AMD 64? Intell with Hyperthreading? And what >>would I look for as the minimum speed i would need to do this? >> >>Thanks! >> >>-- >>Marc Christensen >>http://www.mecworks.com >>http://blog.mecworks.com >>http://gallery.mecworks.com >>_______________________________________________ >>mythtv-users mailing list >>mythtv-users [at] mythtv >>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users >> > >_______________________________________________ >mythtv-users mailing list >mythtv-users [at] mythtv >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users


greg.d at cwgsy

Jan 15, 2005, 9:44 AM

Post #5 of 18 (7060 views)
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RE: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

>
> When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's (deceptive, IMO)
> "model numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and a
> 2200+ AMD, you will be disappointed with the performance,
> since the AMD 2200+ is a 1.5GHz processor.

If I had an AMD cpu running at 2.2ghz and an Intel cpu at 2.2ghz I am fairly
certain the AMD would wipe the floor with the Intel.
Ghz speed has less to do with real world performance than you seem to
think.... Or are you telling me a celeron 340d (2.93ghz) will perform better
than an AMD64 3400+ (2.4ghz)?

>
> I've never used AMD because of this practice. It seems Intel
> is getting into this now with their part numbers, such as
> 520, 530, etc. The first digit being 5 implies they are
> faster than AMD's models which begin with 2 or 3.

Intel has finally realised that it can no longer sell cpu's based solely on
the ghz speed. Eg mobile processors running at much slower clock speed are
comparable in most applications to their faster desktop processors, with
much less heat and power drawn.
I'm not sure whether the last sentence was meant to be a joke or not??
Centrino processors start with a 7 maybe they even faster :) (BTW the
fastest centrino according to the intel site is 2.1ghz)

Greg


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Jan 15, 2005, 10:14 AM

Post #6 of 18 (7035 views)
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RE: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

All my Ahtlon proc's have always outperformed Intel
by a large margin.
I was told that you needed an Intel for music on windows
but I have since found out this is not the case.
Stick with AMD they have to work harder and do.

Cheers
Bob












On Sat, 2005-01-15 at 17:44 +0000, Greg wrote:

> >
> > When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's (deceptive, IMO)
> > "model numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and a
> > 2200+ AMD, you will be disappointed with the performance,
> > since the AMD 2200+ is a 1.5GHz processor.
>
> If I had an AMD cpu running at 2.2ghz and an Intel cpu at 2.2ghz I am fairly
> certain the AMD would wipe the floor with the Intel.
> Ghz speed has less to do with real world performance than you seem to
> think.... Or are you telling me a celeron 340d (2.93ghz) will perform better
> than an AMD64 3400+ (2.4ghz)?
>
> >
> > I've never used AMD because of this practice. It seems Intel
> > is getting into this now with their part numbers, such as
> > 520, 530, etc. The first digit being 5 implies they are
> > faster than AMD's models which begin with 2 or 3.
>
> Intel has finally realised that it can no longer sell cpu's based solely on
> the ghz speed. Eg mobile processors running at much slower clock speed are
> comparable in most applications to their faster desktop processors, with
> much less heat and power drawn.
> I'm not sure whether the last sentence was meant to be a joke or not??
> Centrino processors start with a 7 maybe they even faster :) (BTW the
> fastest centrino according to the intel site is 2.1ghz)
>
> Greg
>
>
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there.can.be.only.two.apparently at gmail

Jan 15, 2005, 10:47 AM

Post #7 of 18 (7019 views)
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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

Wow, someone drank the Intel cool-aide.

I personally go with AMD because you get more bang for the buck (TM).


On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:07:39 -0500, John Johnson <johnatl [at] mac> wrote:
> When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's (deceptive, IMO) "model
> numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and a 2200+ AMD, you will
> be disappointed with the performance, since the AMD 2200+ is a 1.5GHz
> processor.
>
> I've never used AMD because of this practice. It seems Intel is getting
> into this now with their part numbers, such as 520, 530, etc. The first
> digit being 5 implies they are faster than AMD's models which begin
> with 2 or 3.
>
> Regards,
> JJ
>
> On 15-Jan-2005, at 11:05, Comments wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has a preference between AMD and Intel for a
> > MythTV box.
> >
> > I will be running two HD-3000 cards and probably an nVidia graphics
> > card with DVI out to a HDMI device in 720p.
> >
> > So, do you prefer AMD 64? Intell with Hyperthreading? And what would
> > I look for as the minimum speed i would need to do this?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Marc Christensen
> > http://www.mecworks.com
> > http://blog.mecworks.com
> > http://gallery.mecworks.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > mythtv-users mailing list
> > mythtv-users [at] mythtv
> > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
> >
>
>
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brad+myth at templetons

Jan 15, 2005, 11:46 AM

Post #8 of 18 (7018 views)
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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 12:47:06PM -0600, Loren H. Burlingame wrote:
> Wow, someone drank the Intel cool-aide.
>
> I personally go with AMD because you get more bang for the buck (TM).

All my systems are AMD -- _except_ my video deocding Mythtv box.

There is no cool-aid here. AMD and Intel systems are different.
AMD wins on certain problems, Intel wins on others. AMD uses
slower clocks, which means less heat, which is great on the broad set
of problems where the AMD outperforms. On some problems though,
Intel's faster clock and faster FSB really do mean something.

Video decoding and encoding appear to be one of the problems where
Intel wins handily.

My P4-3ghz system when playing HDTV runs at 60% idle. When playing
SDTV it runs at as much as 95% idle. No xvmc.

My Athlon XP-3000 system when playing HDTV runs at 25% idle but
sometimes dips down close to zero.

So if playing HDTV is your goal, there is not even any question about
which of these two processors to get. Indeed, though while I have
not done it, you might even want to pick a slower Intel chip (say
a 2.6hgz) over an AMD-3000 (2.1ghz)

However, the AMD-3000 would outperform the Intel 2.6ghz in other
applications, so if you want those, you might choose AMD.

We await reports of the CPU utilization for folks on Athlon-64
processors, in both 32 bit mode and 64 bit mode. This is hard
to predict. The A64 uses an even _slower_ clock for the same
"number."

When it comes to mpeg, the size of your clock does matter.


joebarnhart at yahoo

Jan 15, 2005, 12:30 PM

Post #9 of 18 (7001 views)
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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

--- Comments <comments [at] mecworks> wrote:

> So, do you prefer AMD 64? Intell with
> Hyperthreading? And what would I
> look for as the minimum speed i would need to do
> this?

I agree with Brad Templeton. I tried an Athlon XP
based system, since AMD is my preferred vendor. But
it couldn't keep up with rendering 1080i output (over
VGA) to my set.

A related problem is that XvMC (hardware assisted
decoding) does not work under Myth. It causes
numerous problems such as freezing the frontend when
you try to skip forward or back, or when the on screen
display fades out. It is a known problem but
difficult to fix and no one is looking at it
presently.

Since the decoding must be done in software, you need
the fastest clock you can muster. Today that means an
Intel processor.



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mythtv at roostervision

Jan 15, 2005, 1:15 PM

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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

Brad Templeton wrote:

>There is no cool-aid here. AMD and Intel systems are different.
>AMD wins on certain problems, Intel wins on others. AMD uses
>slower clocks, which means less heat, which is great on the broad set
>of problems where the AMD outperforms. On some problems though,
>Intel's faster clock and faster FSB really do mean something.
>
>Video decoding and encoding appear to be one of the problems where
>Intel wins handily.
>
>My P4-3ghz system when playing HDTV runs at 60% idle. When playing
>SDTV it runs at as much as 95% idle. No xvmc.
>
>My Athlon XP-3000 system when playing HDTV runs at 25% idle but
>sometimes dips down close to zero.
>
>So if playing HDTV is your goal, there is not even any question about
>which of these two processors to get. Indeed, though while I have
>not done it, you might even want to pick a slower Intel chip (say
>a 2.6hgz) over an AMD-3000 (2.1ghz)
>
>However, the AMD-3000 would outperform the Intel 2.6ghz in other
>applications, so if you want those, you might choose AMD.
>
>We await reports of the CPU utilization for folks on Athlon-64
>processors, in both 32 bit mode and 64 bit mode. This is hard
>to predict. The A64 uses an even _slower_ clock for the same
>"number."
>
>When it comes to mpeg, the size of your clock does matter.
>
>
In fact, take a look at
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-18.html.

This is the results of the video encoding benchmarks. This will give
you a good idea of how different processors measure up when it comes to
video applications. Notice how Intel CPUs with similar numbers (i.e. P4
3 GHz compared to Athlon 3000+) perform better.

I just checked yesterday and the price for a P4E 3.0 GHz was roughly the
same as an Athlon 64 3200+ ($185 - $190). And the Intel outperforms the
AMD on the MPEG-4 encoding benchmark by about 10%.

So I'm finding myself wishing I had purchased an Intel CPU for my HDTV
mythbox instead of my AMD. Maybe I'll just have to get another system. >:)

Brian
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chusty at attglobal

Jan 15, 2005, 4:18 PM

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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

Comments wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a preference between AMD and Intel for a
> MythTV box.

I have an amd64 with winTV-pvr 350. I love it. I have not found any
problems and the SuSE 64 distro works very transparent.
The ivtv device driver and mythtv are working very well.
I have in this system OS/2 and XP and no problems either.

If have to get a new system now I would get the amd fx64

regard,

-=terry(Denver)=-
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stephen.boddy at btinternet

Jan 15, 2005, 5:22 PM

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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

On Saturday 15 January 2005 21:15, Brian Bartlow wrote:
> Brad Templeton wrote:
> In fact, take a look at
> http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-18.html.
>
> This is the results of the video encoding benchmarks. This will give
> you a good idea of how different processors measure up when it comes to
> video applications. Notice how Intel CPUs with similar numbers (i.e. P4
> 3 GHz compared to Athlon 3000+) perform better.
>
> I just checked yesterday and the price for a P4E 3.0 GHz was roughly the
> same as an Athlon 64 3200+ ($185 - $190). And the Intel outperforms the
> AMD on the MPEG-4 encoding benchmark by about 10%.
>
> So I'm finding myself wishing I had purchased an Intel CPU for my HDTV
> mythbox instead of my AMD. Maybe I'll just have to get another system.
> >:)

But how many watts does that P4E dissipate compared to the Athlon 64 with
Cool'n'Quiet? Last I checked a heavily loaded P4 is way more toasty than an
A64.
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Jan 15, 2005, 7:13 PM

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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

Brad Templeton wrote:

>There is no cool-aid here. AMD and Intel systems are different.
>AMD wins on certain problems, Intel wins on others. AMD uses
>slower clocks, which means less heat, which is great on the broad set
>of problems where the AMD outperforms. On some problems though,
>Intel's faster clock and faster FSB really do mean something.
>
>Video decoding and encoding appear to be one of the problems where
>Intel wins handily.
>
>My P4-3ghz system when playing HDTV runs at 60% idle. When playing
>SDTV it runs at as much as 95% idle. No xvmc.
>
>My Athlon XP-3000 system when playing HDTV runs at 25% idle but
>sometimes dips down close to zero.
>
>So if playing HDTV is your goal, there is not even any question about
>which of these two processors to get. Indeed, though while I have
>not done it, you might even want to pick a slower Intel chip (say
>a 2.6hgz) over an AMD-3000 (2.1ghz)
>
>However, the AMD-3000 would outperform the Intel 2.6ghz in other
>applications, so if you want those, you might choose AMD.
>
>We await reports of the CPU utilization for folks on Athlon-64
>processors, in both 32 bit mode and 64 bit mode. This is hard
>to predict. The A64 uses an even _slower_ clock for the same
>"number."
>
>When it comes to mpeg, the size of your clock does matter.
>
>
In fact, take a look at
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-18.html.

This is the results of the video encoding benchmarks. This will give
you a good idea of how different processors measure up when it comes to
video applications. Notice how Intel CPUs with similar numbers (i.e. P4
3 GHz compared to Athlon 3000+) perform better.

I just checked yesterday and the price for a P4E 3.0 GHz was roughly the
same as an Athlon 64 3200+ ($185 - $190). And the Intel outperforms the
AMD on the MPEG-4 encoding benchmark by about 10%.

So I'm finding myself wishing I had purchased an Intel CPU for my HDTV
mythbox instead of my AMD. Maybe I'll just have to get another system. >:)

Brian

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mythtv at salfter

Jan 15, 2005, 7:39 PM

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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 12:07:39PM -0500, John Johnson top-posted (grr):
> When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's (deceptive, IMO) "model
> numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and a 2200+ AMD, you will
> be disappointed with the performance, since the AMD 2200+ is a 1.5GHz
> processor.

...and that is significant how, exactly? The microarchitecture of the
Athlon XP is significantly different from that of the Pentium 4, so
clockspeed comparisons are useless. Hell, you could say the same thing when
comparing the Pentium 4 and Pentium M, which is probably why Intel is moving
away from selling its processors on their clockspeed. Most people are smart
enough to not do that, and they're finally catching on. (Then again, most
people are also smart enough to not top-post. :-P )

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brad+myth at templetons

Jan 15, 2005, 9:22 PM

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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 02:15:08PM -0700, Brian Bartlow wrote:
> Brad Templeton wrote:
> In fact, take a look at
> http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-18.html.
>
> This is the results of the video encoding benchmarks. This will give
> you a good idea of how different processors measure up when it comes to
> video applications. Notice how Intel CPUs with similar numbers (i.e. P4
> 3 GHz compared to Athlon 3000+) perform better.

Yes, though our prime interest is decoding (though people doing lots of
transcoding will want to look at encoding benchmarks, though ideally
mp2 to mp4 benchmarks.) I see a much more dramatic difference there,
though some of it may also come from the better memory bandwidth I am
getting on my P4 system over my Athlon XP 3000 systems. I don't know
if that's the chipset or the 800mhz FSB or the CPU or what.

A 10% difference for example, might lean you to the lower-heat Athlon. However
I am seeing a much larger difference on the decoding which is what we
care most about, and would love to see other people's numbers, especially
for celerons and Athlon64s in 64 bit mode.


johnatl at mac

Jan 16, 2005, 7:01 AM

Post #16 of 18 (6994 views)
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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

I think you hit the nail on the head. It's personal preference. VI vs.
EMACS, etc.

Regards,
JJ

On 15-Jan-2005, at 22:39, Scott Alfter wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 12:07:39PM -0500, John Johnson top-posted
> (grr):
>> When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's (deceptive, IMO) "model
>> numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and a 2200+ AMD, you will
>> be disappointed with the performance, since the AMD 2200+ is a 1.5GHz
>> processor.
>
> ...and that is significant how, exactly? The microarchitecture of the
> Athlon XP is significantly different from that of the Pentium 4, so
> clockspeed comparisons are useless. Hell, you could say the same
> thing when
> comparing the Pentium 4 and Pentium M, which is probably why Intel is
> moving
> away from selling its processors on their clockspeed. Most people are
> smart
> enough to not do that, and they're finally catching on. (Then again,
> most
> people are also smart enough to not top-post. :-P )
>
> _/_
> / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
> (IIGS( http://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
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> Usenet?
>
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mpicker21 at yahoo

Jan 16, 2005, 7:18 AM

Post #17 of 18 (6996 views)
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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

Sure it's just a personal preference but AMD is just
better. :)


--- John Johnson <johnatl [at] mac> wrote:

> I think you hit the nail on the head. It's personal
> preference. VI vs.
> EMACS, etc.
>
> Regards,
> JJ
>
> On 15-Jan-2005, at 22:39, Scott Alfter wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 12:07:39PM -0500, John
> Johnson top-posted
> > (grr):
> >> When comparing, don't be biased by AMD's
> (deceptive, IMO) "model
> >> numbers". I.e. if you compare a 2.2GHz intel and
> a 2200+ AMD, you will
> >> be disappointed with the performance, since the
> AMD 2200+ is a 1.5GHz
> >> processor.
> >
> > ...and that is significant how, exactly? The
> microarchitecture of the
> > Athlon XP is significantly different from that of
> the Pentium 4, so
> > clockspeed comparisons are useless. Hell, you
> could say the same
> > thing when
> > comparing the Pentium 4 and Pentium M, which is
> probably why Intel is
> > moving
> > away from selling its processors on their
> clockspeed. Most people are
> > smart
> > enough to not do that, and they're finally
> catching on. (Then again,
> > most
> > people are also smart enough to not top-post. :-P
> )
> >
> > _/_
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Jan 16, 2005, 9:06 AM

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Re: AMD or Intel? [In reply to]

You've identified this comparison is your CPU Rosetta Stone. So I picked the Pentium - the 3.4GHz P4 EE Galatin - nearest my 3800+ AMD64 in performance (The 3800+ was slightly faster). The Pentium can be had for $718 on New Egg. I got mine for (admittedly a steal) $475. Of course, the 3800+ is only $635 on New Egg. Even the AMD64 4000+ OEM is only $675. Everyone on this list has told me that my chip is overkill for this app, so tell me, why would you spend even more money for the same amount of overkill?

>From: Brian Bartlow <mythtv [at] roostervision> >Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv> >To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users [at] mythtv> >Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] AMD or Intel? >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:15:08 -0700 > >Brad Templeton wrote: > >>There is no cool-aid here. AMD and Intel systems are different. >>AMD wins on certain problems, Intel wins on others. AMD uses >>slower clocks, which means less heat, which is great on the broad >>set >>of problems where the AMD outperforms. On some problems though, >>Intel's faster clock and faster FSB really do mean something. >> >>Video decoding and encoding appear to be one of the problems where >>Intel wins handily. >> >>My P4-3ghz system when playing HDTV runs at 60% idle. When >>playing >>SDTV it runs at as much as 95% idle. No xvmc. >> >>My Athlon XP-3000 system when playing HDTV runs at 25% idle but >>sometimes dips down close to zero. >> >>So if playing HDTV is your goal, there is not even any question >>about >>which of these two processors to get. Indeed, though while I have >>not done it, you might even want to pick a slower Intel chip (say >>a 2.6hgz) over an AMD-3000 (2.1ghz) >> >>However, the AMD-3000 would outperform the Intel 2.6ghz in other >>applications, so if you want those, you might choose AMD. >> >>We await reports of the CPU utilization for folks on Athlon-64 >>processors, in both 32 bit mode and 64 bit mode. This is hard >>to predict. The A64 uses an even _slower_ clock for the same >>"number." >> >>When it comes to mpeg, the size of your clock does matter. >> >> >In fact, take a look at >http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-18.html. > >This is the results of the video encoding benchmarks. This will >give you a good idea of how different processors measure up when it >comes to video applications. Notice how Intel CPUs with similar >numbers (i.e. P4 3 GHz compared to Athlon 3000+) perform better. > >I just checked yesterday and the price for a P4E 3.0 GHz was roughly >the same as an Athlon 64 3200+ ($185 - $190). And the Intel >outperforms the AMD on the MPEG-4 encoding benchmark by about 10%. > >So I'm finding myself wishing I had purchased an Intel CPU for my >HDTV mythbox instead of my AMD. Maybe I'll just have to get another >system. >:) > >Brian >_______________________________________________ >mythtv-users mailing list >mythtv-users [at] mythtv >http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

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