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sultanoswing at gmail

Oct 2, 2011, 4:32 AM

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Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record?

Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:

Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
and the show will still record?

In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
itself without needing the FE open?

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stephen_agent at jsw

Oct 2, 2011, 4:57 AM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:32:49 +1300, you wrote:

>Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:
>
>Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
>and the show will still record?
>
>In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
>record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
>itself without needing the FE open?

No. Mythbackend is all that is needed to record. Mythfrontend can be
on another PC (say a laptop) and that PC can just be started as
necessary to run Mythfrontend and then be shut down again.
Mythfrontend talks to Mythbackend by normal Internet TCP connections,
so it can do that on the same PC as Mythbackend, or over ethernet,
WiFi or Internet connections. As long as its connection has enough
bandwidth, it can play recordings stored on the backend, and if there
is not enough bandwidth to play recordings, it can still control a
Mythbackend.

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sultanoswing at gmail

Oct 2, 2011, 5:04 AM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

That's great to know -thanks.

The reason I ask is that I run the FE and BE on the same machine... and
I often want to use the machine (it's my main PC as well) for other
tasks such as browsing the 'net.

Being able to close/quit the fullscreen interface of the frontend,
having scheduled recordings, is marvellous.

On 03/10/11 00:57, Stephen Worthington wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:32:49 +1300, you wrote:
>
>> Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:
>>
>> Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
>> and the show will still record?
>>
>> In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
>> record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
>> itself without needing the FE open?
> No. Mythbackend is all that is needed to record. Mythfrontend can be
> on another PC (say a laptop) and that PC can just be started as
> necessary to run Mythfrontend and then be shut down again.
> Mythfrontend talks to Mythbackend by normal Internet TCP connections,
> so it can do that on the same PC as Mythbackend, or over ethernet,
> WiFi or Internet connections. As long as its connection has enough
> bandwidth, it can play recordings stored on the backend, and if there
> is not enough bandwidth to play recordings, it can still control a
> Mythbackend.
>
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nick.rout at gmail

Oct 2, 2011, 11:50 AM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Curtis Walker <sultanoswing [at] gmail> wrote:
> That's great to know -thanks.
>
> The reason I ask is that I run the FE and BE on the same machine... and
> I often want to use the machine (it's my main PC as well) for other
> tasks such as browsing the 'net.
>
> Being able to close/quit the fullscreen interface of the frontend,
> having scheduled recordings, is marvellous.

you can also just switch to another program, eg alt-tab

>
> On 03/10/11 00:57, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:32:49 +1300, you wrote:
>>
>>> Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:
>>>
>>> Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
>>> and the show will still record?
>>>
>>> In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
>>> record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
>>> itself without needing the FE open?
>> No.  Mythbackend is all that is needed to record.  Mythfrontend can be
>> on another PC (say a laptop) and that PC can just be started as
>> necessary to run Mythfrontend and then be shut down again.
>> Mythfrontend talks to Mythbackend by normal Internet TCP connections,
>> so it can do that on the same PC as Mythbackend, or over ethernet,
>> WiFi or Internet connections.  As long as its connection has enough
>> bandwidth, it can play recordings stored on the backend, and if there
>> is not enough bandwidth to play recordings, it can still control a
>> Mythbackend.
>>
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lockyer at waikato

Oct 2, 2011, 12:28 PM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

You do NOT need to have the Front End Open to record.

On 3 October 2011 07:50, Nick Rout <nick.rout [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Curtis Walker <sultanoswing [at] gmail>
> wrote:
> > That's great to know -thanks.
> >
> > The reason I ask is that I run the FE and BE on the same machine... and
> > I often want to use the machine (it's my main PC as well) for other
> > tasks such as browsing the 'net.
> >
> > Being able to close/quit the fullscreen interface of the frontend,
> > having scheduled recordings, is marvellous.
>
> you can also just switch to another program, eg alt-tab
>
> >
> > On 03/10/11 00:57, Stephen Worthington wrote:
> >> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:32:49 +1300, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:
> >>>
> >>> Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
> >>> and the show will still record?
> >>>
> >>> In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
> >>> record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
> >>> itself without needing the FE open?
> >> No. Mythbackend is all that is needed to record. Mythfrontend can be
> >> on another PC (say a laptop) and that PC can just be started as
> >> necessary to run Mythfrontend and then be shut down again.
> >> Mythfrontend talks to Mythbackend by normal Internet TCP connections,
> >> so it can do that on the same PC as Mythbackend, or over ethernet,
> >> WiFi or Internet connections. As long as its connection has enough
> >> bandwidth, it can play recordings stored on the backend, and if there
> >> is not enough bandwidth to play recordings, it can still control a
> >> Mythbackend.
> >>
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bmcvicker at deloitte

Oct 2, 2011, 12:43 PM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

Or Control F2 to switch desktops and keep the frontend running, especially when you don't have any other programs open to Alt-Tab into. Great when doing maintenance and keeping MythMusic going, lol. Control F1 to bring back the first desktop (MythFrontend).
Great trick for when the front end hangs and your better half needs to restart the system with minimal technical knowledge (or a root password), so long as nothing's recording on the backend that is.

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists [mailto:mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of Nick Rout
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 7:50 a.m.
To: sultanoswing [at] gmail; MythTV in NZ
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record?

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Curtis Walker <sultanoswing [at] gmail> wrote:
> That's great to know -thanks.
>
> The reason I ask is that I run the FE and BE on the same machine... and
> I often want to use the machine (it's my main PC as well) for other
> tasks such as browsing the 'net.
>
> Being able to close/quit the fullscreen interface of the frontend,
> having scheduled recordings, is marvellous.

you can also just switch to another program, eg alt-tab

>
> On 03/10/11 00:57, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:32:49 +1300, you wrote:
>>
>>> Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:
>>>
>>> Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
>>> and the show will still record?
>>>
>>> In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
>>> record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
>>> itself without needing the FE open?
>> No.  Mythbackend is all that is needed to record.  Mythfrontend can be
>> on another PC (say a laptop) and that PC can just be started as
>> necessary to run Mythfrontend and then be shut down again.
>> Mythfrontend talks to Mythbackend by normal Internet TCP connections,
>> so it can do that on the same PC as Mythbackend, or over ethernet,
>> WiFi or Internet connections.  As long as its connection has enough
>> bandwidth, it can play recordings stored on the backend, and if there
>> is not enough bandwidth to play recordings, it can still control a
>> Mythbackend.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.ourshack.com/mailman/listinfo/mythtvnz
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>>
>
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sultanoswing at gmail

Oct 2, 2011, 4:04 PM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

Thanks for the further input. Interestingly, on Gnome 3 (Arch Linux)
alt-tab doesn't work for Mythfrontend to bring up the window selector.
The windows key does however, so that is a reasonable workaround to
allow multitasking.

That said, it's even better that Mythtv will record with the frontend closed.

Cheers!

On 3 October 2011 08:43, McVicker, Brian (NZ - Auckland)
<bmcvicker [at] deloitte> wrote:
> Or Control F2 to switch desktops and keep the frontend running, especially when you don't have any other programs open to Alt-Tab into. Great when doing maintenance and keeping MythMusic going, lol. Control F1 to bring back the first desktop (MythFrontend).
> Great trick for when the front end hangs and your better half needs to restart the system with minimal technical knowledge (or a root password), so long as nothing's recording on the backend that is.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists [mailto:mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of Nick Rout
> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 7:50 a.m.
> To: sultanoswing [at] gmail; MythTV in NZ
> Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record?
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Curtis Walker <sultanoswing [at] gmail> wrote:
>> That's great to know -thanks.
>>
>> The reason I ask is that I run the FE and BE on the same machine... and
>> I often want to use the machine (it's my main PC as well) for other
>> tasks such as browsing the 'net.
>>
>> Being able to close/quit the fullscreen interface of the frontend,
>> having scheduled recordings, is marvellous.
>
> you can also just switch to another program, eg alt-tab
>
>>
>> On 03/10/11 00:57, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:32:49 +1300, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:
>>>>
>>>> Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
>>>> and the show will still record?
>>>>
>>>> In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
>>>> record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
>>>> itself without needing the FE open?
>>> No.  Mythbackend is all that is needed to record.  Mythfrontend can be
>>> on another PC (say a laptop) and that PC can just be started as
>>> necessary to run Mythfrontend and then be shut down again.
>>> Mythfrontend talks to Mythbackend by normal Internet TCP connections,
>>> so it can do that on the same PC as Mythbackend, or over ethernet,
>>> WiFi or Internet connections.  As long as its connection has enough
>>> bandwidth, it can play recordings stored on the backend, and if there
>>> is not enough bandwidth to play recordings, it can still control a
>>> Mythbackend.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtvnz mailing list
>>> mythtvnz [at] lists
>>> http://lists.ourshack.com/mailman/listinfo/mythtvnz
>>> Archives http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/
>>>
>>
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nick.rout at gmail

Oct 2, 2011, 4:46 PM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Curtis Walker <sultanoswing [at] gmail> wrote:
> Thanks for the further input. Interestingly, on Gnome 3 (Arch Linux)
> alt-tab doesn't work for Mythfrontend to bring up the window selector.
> The windows key does however, so that is a reasonable workaround to
> allow multitasking.

Usually you need another program open before alt-tab works. You could
also try ctrl-esc which on mythbuntu brings up the applications menu
(and, as i just discovered, brings up the start menu on windows).



>
> That said, it's even better that Mythtv will record with the frontend closed.
>
> Cheers!
>
> On 3 October 2011 08:43, McVicker, Brian (NZ - Auckland)
> <bmcvicker [at] deloitte> wrote:
>> Or Control F2 to switch desktops and keep the frontend running, especially when you don't have any other programs open to Alt-Tab into. Great when doing maintenance and keeping MythMusic going, lol. Control F1 to bring back the first desktop (MythFrontend).
>> Great trick for when the front end hangs and your better half needs to restart the system with minimal technical knowledge (or a root password), so long as nothing's recording on the backend that is.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists [mailto:mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of Nick Rout
>> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2011 7:50 a.m.
>> To: sultanoswing [at] gmail; MythTV in NZ
>> Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Curtis Walker <sultanoswing [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> That's great to know -thanks.
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is that I run the FE and BE on the same machine... and
>>> I often want to use the machine (it's my main PC as well) for other
>>> tasks such as browsing the 'net.
>>>
>>> Being able to close/quit the fullscreen interface of the frontend,
>>> having scheduled recordings, is marvellous.
>>
>> you can also just switch to another program, eg alt-tab
>>
>>>
>>> On 03/10/11 00:57, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 00:32:49 +1300, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can't find the answer to this, so here goes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Having scheduled a recording in mythfrontend, can I close mythfrontend,
>>>>> and the show will still record?
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, does mythfrontend need to be open in order for shows to
>>>>> record, or does it pass the needed info to the backend which will do it
>>>>> itself without needing the FE open?
>>>> No.  Mythbackend is all that is needed to record.  Mythfrontend can be
>>>> on another PC (say a laptop) and that PC can just be started as
>>>> necessary to run Mythfrontend and then be shut down again.
>>>> Mythfrontend talks to Mythbackend by normal Internet TCP connections,
>>>> so it can do that on the same PC as Mythbackend, or over ethernet,
>>>> WiFi or Internet connections.  As long as its connection has enough
>>>> bandwidth, it can play recordings stored on the backend, and if there
>>>> is not enough bandwidth to play recordings, it can still control a
>>>> Mythbackend.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> mythtvnz mailing list
>>>> mythtvnz [at] lists
>>>> http://lists.ourshack.com/mailman/listinfo/mythtvnz
>>>> Archives http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/
>>>>
>>>
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roger.searle at gmail

Oct 3, 2011, 2:27 AM

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Re: Basic question - do I need mythfrontend open in order to record? [In reply to]

On 03/10/11 01:04, Curtis Walker wrote:
> That's great to know -thanks.
>
> The reason I ask is that I run the FE and BE on the same machine... and
> I often want to use the machine (it's my main PC as well) for other
> tasks such as browsing the 'net.
>
> Being able to close/quit the fullscreen interface of the frontend,
> having scheduled recordings, is marvellous.
Another option you have is not to run in full screen, that way you have
the task bar at the bottom of the screen and your menu button or windows
orb/start button.

On the front end > setup > appearance > use window border.

Cheers,
Roger


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