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david at daveshep

Aug 24, 2011, 6:21 PM

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Which DVB-T tuner should I get

Just wanted to take the list's temperature on DVB-T tuners. I'm looking
to go HD with my recordings soon and want some recommendations on what's
stable and well supported and what's not.

I've got PCI, PCI-E and USB slots available. I've got ~10km line of sight
to Auckland SkyTower and get good signal strength and picture quality on
my FreeView telly.

I've got dual DVB-S tuners so I guess a dual tuner DVB-T would be OK (but
don't need more than 2 tuners)

I'm running latest Debian stable release and 0.24.1 from debian-multimedia
repos.

Any thoughts/recommendations?

Thanks
Dave


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hads at nice

Aug 24, 2011, 7:26 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 13:21 +1200, David Shepherd wrote:
> Any thoughts/recommendations?

I just bought an HVR-2200 for myself since we have been included in
DVB-T land now. Haven't had a chance to install it yet as I'm out of the
country but will be doing it next week.

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acaferacer at gmail

Aug 24, 2011, 7:32 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

Hi,
I got a Hauppauge HVR2210 dual tuner card, which is bit of a pain to get
working as you need to get the linuxtv source (as per
http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200) and also
patch it so the card is recognised. Seems to be working with no problems for
me - except the remote is not supported.

The HVR2200 should be a bit easier as you don't need to patch the source,
but it's still not supported out of the box.

Cheers
Bruce



On 25 August 2011 13:21, David Shepherd <david [at] daveshep> wrote:

> Just wanted to take the list's temperature on DVB-T tuners. I'm looking
> to go HD with my recordings soon and want some recommendations on what's
> stable and well supported and what's not.
>
> I've got PCI, PCI-E and USB slots available. I've got ~10km line of sight
> to Auckland SkyTower and get good signal strength and picture quality on
> my FreeView telly.
>
> I've got dual DVB-S tuners so I guess a dual tuner DVB-T would be OK (but
> don't need more than 2 tuners)
>
> I'm running latest Debian stable release and 0.24.1 from debian-multimedia
> repos.
>
> Any thoughts/recommendations?
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
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millst at np

Aug 24, 2011, 7:50 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

> Any thoughts/recommendations?
I have a couple of HVR3300 cards but I haven't been able to get them working
on HD.
They work find off the sat signal but not on DVB-T as I would expect.
Is anyone using these successfully?

Toby


pkendall64 at gmail

Aug 24, 2011, 9:37 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

I have been running with an HVR-2200 and an HVR-4000 for the last 3
years or so. I would say that the HVR-2200 is the way to go.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Toby Mills <millst [at] np> wrote:
>> Any thoughts/recommendations?
> I have a couple of HVR3300 cards but I haven't been able to get them working
> on HD.
> They work find off the sat signal but not on DVB-T as I would expect.
> Is anyone using these successfully?
>
> Toby
>
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dmoo1790 at ihug

Aug 25, 2011, 1:28 AM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 25/08/11 13:21, David Shepherd wrote:
> Just wanted to take the list's temperature on DVB-T tuners. I'm looking
> to go HD with my recordings soon and want some recommendations on what's
> stable and well supported and what's not.
>
+1 for the HVR-2200. Should be good with a strong signal. Not so good
(but maybe all PC tuners are similarly weak) with weak or noisy signal
compared to a TV. I have direct LOS to Waiatarua and only need a cheap
indoor antenna to get good signal.

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steven at openmedia

Aug 28, 2011, 1:55 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

I have to agree that the HVR-2200 is an excellent card. Shame they don't
do a dual tuner DVB-S version.

Steve

On Thu, August 25, 2011 4:37 pm, Paul Kendall wrote:
> I have been running with an HVR-2200 and an HVR-4000 for the last 3
> years or so. I would say that the HVR-2200 is the way to go.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Toby Mills <millst [at] np> wrote:
>>> Any thoughts/recommendations?
>> I have a couple of HVR3300 cards but I haven't been able to get them
>> working
>> on HD.
>> They work find off the sat signal but not on DVB-T as I would expect.
>> Is anyone using these successfully?
>>
>> Toby
>>
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hads at nice

Aug 28, 2011, 2:49 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 12:26 +1000, Hadley Rich wrote:
> I just bought an HVR-2200 for myself since we have been included in
> DVB-T land now. Haven't had a chance to install it yet as I'm out of
> the country but will be doing it next week.

I installed the HVR-2200 last night. On my Ubuntu 10.04 system all that
was needed was the firmware and a modprobe options file to set the card
id.

All up and running easily in tvheadend. I haven't attempted to delve
into the depths of myth configuration yet - not sure if I want to yet.
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worik.stanton at gmail

Aug 28, 2011, 5:28 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

I should have replied earlier.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-remote-controller-antenna-57201
is a cheap USB dongle I use for terrestrial free view.

Needs one of these...

http://cgi.ebay.com/DVB-T-USB-2-0-Digital-TV-mini-Antenna-ADAPTER-Converter-/380110090259
to connect an aerial


Instructions for installing...

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_UB499-2T

cheers
Worik

On 25/08/11 20:28, David Moore wrote:
> On 25/08/11 13:21, David Shepherd wrote:
>> Just wanted to take the list's temperature on DVB-T tuners. I'm looking
>> to go HD with my recordings soon and want some recommendations on what's
>> stable and well supported and what's not.
>>
> +1 for the HVR-2200. Should be good with a strong signal. Not so good
> (but maybe all PC tuners are similarly weak) with weak or noisy signal
> compared to a TV. I have direct LOS to Waiatarua and only need a cheap
> indoor antenna to get good signal.
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joel at aenertia

Aug 28, 2011, 5:39 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 29 August 2011 12:28, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton [at] gmail> wrote:

>
> I should have replied earlier.
>
>
> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-remote-controller-antenna-57201
> is a cheap USB dongle I use for terrestrial free view.
>

These probably are af9035 chipsets - they don't work and probably never
will.

The older version of these used the af9015 chipset which work great,
unfortunately there is no way to tell without plugging them in.


Check the linuxtv wiki for a list of working adaptors and then pick them up
from pricespy.co.nz or trademe.co.nz for cheapest.


>
> Needs one of these...
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/DVB-T-USB-2-0-Digital-TV-mini-Antenna-ADAPTER-Converter-/380110090259
> to connect an aerial
>
>
> Instructions for installing...
>
> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_UB499-2T
>
> cheers
> Worik
>
> On 25/08/11 20:28, David Moore wrote:
> > On 25/08/11 13:21, David Shepherd wrote:
> >> Just wanted to take the list's temperature on DVB-T tuners. I'm looking
> >> to go HD with my recordings soon and want some recommendations on what's
> >> stable and well supported and what's not.
> >>
> > +1 for the HVR-2200. Should be good with a strong signal. Not so good
> > (but maybe all PC tuners are similarly weak) with weak or noisy signal
> > compared to a TV. I have direct LOS to Waiatarua and only need a cheap
> > indoor antenna to get good signal.
> >
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worik.stanton at gmail

Aug 28, 2011, 5:42 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 29/08/11 12:39, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
> These probably are af9035 chipsets - they don't work and probably
> never will.
Working very nicely, modulo my computer being overwhelmed by HD video
(as I have described here)

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joel at aenertia

Aug 28, 2011, 5:45 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

You must have been lucky with your batch, last 4 I have got from DX have all
been af9035 chips.

What module is being used to drive them?



On 29 August 2011 12:42, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton [at] gmail> wrote:

> On 29/08/11 12:39, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
> > These probably are af9035 chipsets - they don't work and probably
> > never will.
> Working very nicely, modulo my computer being overwhelmed by HD video
> (as I have described here)
>
> cheers
> W
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nick.rout at gmail

Aug 28, 2011, 6:23 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton [at] gmail> wrote:
> On 29/08/11 12:39, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
>> These probably are af9035 chipsets - they don't work and probably
>> never will.
> Working very nicely, modulo my computer being overwhelmed by HD video
> (as I have described here)

so which chipset do you have?

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worik.stanton at gmail

Aug 28, 2011, 6:35 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

> so which chipset do you have?
- Chipset: 9129 & 8408

According to
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-remote-controller-antenna-57201

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joel at aenertia

Aug 28, 2011, 6:42 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

Nope stay away it's still an af9035

You CAN get them working with binary blob drivers and buggy vendor provided
kernel compilation scripts... but they are not in mainline nor v4l-dvb.

The vendor afatech has not and will not publish the spec. It might work for
you now, but next time you do a kernel upgrade you will have a high chance
of being b0rked.

On 29 August 2011 13:35, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton [at] gmail> wrote:

>
> > so which chipset do you have?
> - Chipset: 9129 & 8408
>
> According to
>
> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-remote-controller-antenna-57201
>
> cheers
> Worik
>
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joel at aenertia

Aug 28, 2011, 6:43 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

Stay away from anything that is not part of kernel mainline or part of the
linuxtv v4l-dvb development repo.

On 29 August 2011 13:42, Joel Wiramu Pauling <joel [at] aenertia> wrote:

> Nope stay away it's still an af9035
>
> You CAN get them working with binary blob drivers and buggy vendor provided
> kernel compilation scripts... but they are not in mainline nor v4l-dvb.
>
> The vendor afatech has not and will not publish the spec. It might work for
> you now, but next time you do a kernel upgrade you will have a high chance
> of being b0rked.
>
>
> On 29 August 2011 13:35, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>>
>> > so which chipset do you have?
>> - Chipset: 9129 & 8408
>>
>> According to
>>
>> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-remote-controller-antenna-57201
>>
>> cheers
>> Worik
>>
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hads at nice

Aug 28, 2011, 6:47 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 13:43 +1200, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
> Stay away from anything that is not part of kernel mainline or part of
> the linuxtv v4l-dvb development repo.

A hearty second on that one.

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worik.stanton at gmail

Aug 28, 2011, 8:01 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 29/08/11 13:42, Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:
> Nope stay away it's still an af9035
>
> You CAN get them working with binary blob drivers and buggy vendor
> provided kernel compilation scripts... but they are not in mainline
> nor v4l-dvb.

Ok, that sounds like sensible advice.

But the same is true for the HVR-2200 is it not? Looking at
http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200#Making_it_Work it
sems you have to download "firmware" to make it work. Is that not a
"binary blob drivers"?

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stevehodge at gmail

Aug 28, 2011, 8:41 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 15:01, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton [at] gmail>wrote:

> But the same is true for the HVR-2200 is it not? Looking at
> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200#Making_it_Workit
> sems you have to download "firmware" to make it work. Is that not a
> "binary blob drivers"?


No. A "binary blob" driver interfaces to the kernel so it is sensitive to
changes in the kernel. It requires a vendor who is willing to track those
changes and possibly support multiple versions of the driver for different
kernel versions. It also "taints" the kernel - the kernel developers will no
longer provide support because they don't know what is going on inside the
driver. Binary drivers can be well supported - the nVidia X driver is the
obvious example, but few vendors are willing or able to provide the level of
support necessary.

OTOH firmware runs on the device and interfaces to the driver. It is
isolated from the kernel by the driver and so it doesn't taint the kernel
and isn't affected by changes to the kernel. It is very closely tied to the
hardware and really should be considered to be part of the device. Few (if
any) vendors are willing to provide open source firmware. But having the
firmware upload to the device makes it easier for users to upgrade.

Cheers,
Steve


lists at whitehouse

Aug 30, 2011, 1:48 AM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

I'm a big fan of the HVR2200, I've been using it for FreeviewHD for ages without issues.

Regards,
Aaron

Hadley Rich <hads [at] nice> wrote:

On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 12:26 +1000, Hadley Rich wrote:
> I just bought an HVR-2200 for myself since we have been included in
> DVB-T land now. Haven't had a chance to install it yet as I'm out of
> the country but will be doing it next week.

I installed the HVR-2200 last night. On my Ubuntu 10.04 system all that
was needed was the firmware and a modprobe options file to set the card
id.

All up and running easily in tvheadend. I haven't attempted to delve
into the depths of myth configuration yet - not sure if I want to yet.
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hads at nice

Aug 30, 2011, 3:11 AM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 20:48 +1200, Aaron wrote:
> I'm a big fan of the HVR2200, I've been using it for FreeviewHD for
> ages without issues.

Now that I've got a few recordings made, I'm noticing some errors in the
recordings from the HVR-2200 causing artifacts/pixelation on playback.

Not sure what's causing them yet, need to do some investigation with a
different tuner to see what the story is.

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dmoo1790 at ihug

Aug 30, 2011, 4:50 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 30/08/11 22:11, Hadley Rich wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 20:48 +1200, Aaron wrote:
>> I'm a big fan of the HVR2200, I've been using it for FreeviewHD for
>> ages without issues.
>
> Now that I've got a few recordings made, I'm noticing some errors in the
> recordings from the HVR-2200 causing artifacts/pixelation on playback.
>
> Not sure what's causing them yet, need to do some investigation with a
> different tuner to see what the story is.
>
In the past I had recording errors with my HVR-2200 also. The solution
was changing the antenna to get a strong and noise-free signal on all
channels. As I said in an earlier post I believe the HVR-2200 tuner is
not that flash when fed a weak and/or noisy signal.

If you have a TV with built-in tuner check signal with it. I needed 80+%
power and SNR measured by the TV to get good recordings. I found
measuring signal/errors from the HVR-2200 with software (forget which)
problematic.

David

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roger.searle at gmail

Sep 1, 2011, 2:25 AM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 29/08/11 9:49 AM, Hadley Rich wrote:
> I installed the HVR-2200 last night. On my Ubuntu 10.04 system all that
> was needed was the firmware and a modprobe options file to set the card
> id.
>
> All up and running easily in tvheadend. I haven't attempted to delve
> into the depths of myth configuration yet - not sure if I want to yet.
Being on the verge of purchasing a DVB-T card for a mythtv box, I'm very
interested to hear of your experience with this card should you do so,
or if anyone else has one of these working in mythtv? And, are you
suggesting that myth config is far from a simple "it just works"?

Regards
Roger

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dmoo1790 at ihug

Sep 1, 2011, 9:49 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 01/09/11 21:25, Roger Searle wrote:
> On 29/08/11 9:49 AM, Hadley Rich wrote:
>> I installed the HVR-2200 last night. On my Ubuntu 10.04 system all that
>> was needed was the firmware and a modprobe options file to set the card
>> id.
>>
>> All up and running easily in tvheadend. I haven't attempted to delve
>> into the depths of myth configuration yet - not sure if I want to yet.
> Being on the verge of purchasing a DVB-T card for a mythtv box, I'm very
> interested to hear of your experience with this card should you do so,
> or if anyone else has one of these working in mythtv? And, are you
> suggesting that myth config is far from a simple "it just works"?
>
> Regards
> Roger

I think there's quite a few of us running the HVR-2200. I've had mine
for over a year with no real probs. One thing you may need to do is edit
the /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf upstart job which starts mythbackend
so that mythbackend waits until the firmware is downloaded to both
tuners. I've been running a version with the following mods to delay
starting mythbackend:

#added to ensure that the DVB-T cards are init before myth
LOG_FILE="/home/mythbox/.mythbackend-init.log"
while [ ! -c /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 ] || [ ! -c
/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0 ]; do
echo "`date +%F\ %T` Mythtv-backend Upstart: DVB-T
devices are not yet registered. Waiting 1 second then trying again..."
>> $LOG_FILE
sleep 1s
done
echo "`date +%F\ %T` Mythtv-backend Upstart: DVB-T devices are
now registered. Starting mythbackend" >> $LOG_FILE

Today I decided that it would be nicer to use upstart and udev to decide
when to start mythbackend so I wrote a 2 line
/etc/udev/rules.d/dvb.rules file to emit a custom "tuner-add" event with
a variable "CARD_NO" set to the adapter number:

SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", KERNEL=="dvb0.frontend0", ACTION=="add",
RUN+="/sbin/initctl --quiet emit --no-wait tuner-add CARD_NO=0"
SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", KERNEL=="dvb1.frontend0", ACTION=="add",
RUN+="/sbin/initctl --quiet emit --no-wait tuner-add CARD_NO=1"

Then I commented out all the original delay stuff added to
/etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf and changed the start conditions to:

start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=lo and tuner-add
CARD_NO=0 and tuner-add CARD_NO=1)

Seems to work but very new so no guarantees. I'm running 0.23+fixes.

David

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dmoo1790 at ihug

Sep 2, 2011, 4:42 PM

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Re: Which DVB-T tuner should I get [In reply to]

On 01/09/11 21:25, Roger Searle wrote:
> On 29/08/11 9:49 AM, Hadley Rich wrote:
>> I installed the HVR-2200 last night. On my Ubuntu 10.04 system all that
>> was needed was the firmware and a modprobe options file to set the card
>> id.
>>
>> All up and running easily in tvheadend. I haven't attempted to delve
>> into the depths of myth configuration yet - not sure if I want to yet.
> Being on the verge of purchasing a DVB-T card for a mythtv box, I'm very
> interested to hear of your experience with this card should you do so,
> or if anyone else has one of these working in mythtv? And, are you
> suggesting that myth config is far from a simple "it just works"?
>
> Regards
> Roger

> Today I decided that it would be nicer to use upstart and udev to decide when to start mythbackend so I wrote a 2 line /etc/udev/rules.d/dvb.rules file to emit a custom "tuner-add" event with a variable "CARD_NO" set to the adapter number:
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", KERNEL=="dvb0.frontend0", ACTION=="add", RUN+="/sbin/initctl --quiet emit --no-wait tuner-add CARD_NO=0"
> SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", KERNEL=="dvb1.frontend0", ACTION=="add", RUN+="/sbin/initctl --quiet emit --no-wait tuner-add CARD_NO=1"
>
> Then I commented out all the original delay stuff added to /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf and changed the start conditions to:
>
> start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=lo and tuner-add CARD_NO=0 and tuner-add CARD_NO=1)

Actually you don't need to create a custom udev rule. Turns out that
upstart-udev-bridge generates upstart events from udev events. See these
web pages:

http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#upstart-udev-bridge
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Upstart_mythbackend_Configuration

So now I have my /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf start conditions like this:

start on (local-filesystems
and net-device-up IFACE=lo
and dvb-device-added KERNEL=dvb0.frontend0
and dvb-device-added KERNEL=dvb1.frontend0)

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