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noel at igrin

Nov 16, 2009, 11:47 PM

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CF card as system drive

Hi all
I want to use a CF card with an IDE adapter as a system drive & use my
existing 2 x 250GB HDDs for the storage.
Currently run Mythbuntu 9.04 with 1 x 250GB drive as system / storage &
1 x 250GB drive as dedicated storage (using storage groups).
Question. What size CF card for a frontend/backend machine using running
Karmic, will a 4 or 8 Gb card be enough?
Thanks for your learned comments!

Noel Claydon

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tortise at paradise

Nov 17, 2009, 12:47 AM

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel & Di" <noel [at] igrin>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: [mythtvnz] CF card as system drive


> Hi all
> I want to use a CF card with an IDE adapter as a system drive & use my
> existing 2 x 250GB HDDs for the storage.
> Currently run Mythbuntu 9.04 with 1 x 250GB drive as system / storage &
> 1 x 250GB drive as dedicated storage (using storage groups).
> Question. What size CF card for a frontend/backend machine using running
> Karmic, will a 4 or 8 Gb card be enough?
> Thanks for your learned comments!
>
> Noel Claydon
>
> _______________________________________________

Can I suggest a good place to start is using the df command? (Alt look under System Monitor | File Systems) to see what you are
using now. In a new incompletely configured 9.10 I have about 3 G used on /dev/sda1/ so 4G might be enough, 8G would seem safer to
me for a FE, combined might need even more, especially if you plan to run diskless- and cascade out copies of the OS!


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hads at nice

Nov 17, 2009, 12:54 AM

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On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 20:47 +1300, Noel & Di wrote:
> Question. What size CF card for a frontend/backend machine using
> running
> Karmic, will a 4 or 8 Gb card be enough?

I'd go with 8GB

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noel at igrin

Nov 17, 2009, 1:00 AM

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Tortise wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel & Di" <noel [at] igrin>
> To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:47 PM
> Subject: [mythtvnz] CF card as system drive
>
>
>
>> Hi all
>> I want to use a CF card with an IDE adapter as a system drive & use my
>> existing 2 x 250GB HDDs for the storage.
>> Currently run Mythbuntu 9.04 with 1 x 250GB drive as system / storage &
>> 1 x 250GB drive as dedicated storage (using storage groups).
>> Question. What size CF card for a frontend/backend machine using running
>> Karmic, will a 4 or 8 Gb card be enough?
>> Thanks for your learned comments!
>>
>> Noel Claydon
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> Can I suggest a good place to start is using the df command? (Alt look under System Monitor | File Systems) to see what you are
> using now. In a new incompletely configured 9.10 I have about 3 G used on /dev/sda1/ so 4G might be enough, 8G would seem safer to
> me for a FE, combined might need even more, especially if you plan to run diskless- and cascade out copies of the OS!
>
>
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>
Hi Tortoise
Well can't do a df, and get a valid result because I'm not using
Mythbuntu Karmic yet. My Ubuntu Karmic desktop PC uses 15.2GB.
BUT I run a combination FE/BE machine with Jaunty at present for MythTV.

Noel

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krizze at bluezone

Nov 17, 2009, 3:43 AM

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You should keep in mind that cf cards get worn out faster than regular hard drives, and are also quite expensive..

Last time I checked, a cf card (8G) was as expensive as a relatively cheap ssd, (the ssd was around 10 times the size)..

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----- Reply message -----
From: "Noel & Di" <noel [at] igrin>
Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 10:00
Subject: [mythtvnz] CF card as system drive
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>

Tortise wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel & Di" <noel [at] igrin>
> To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:47 PM
> Subject: [mythtvnz] CF card as system drive
>
>
>
>> Hi all
>> I want to use a CF card with an IDE adapter as a system drive & use my
>> existing 2 x 250GB HDDs for the storage.
>> Currently run Mythbuntu 9.04 with 1 x 250GB drive as system / storage &
>> 1 x 250GB drive as dedicated storage (using storage groups).
>> Question. What size CF card for a frontend/backend machine using running
>> Karmic, will a 4 or 8 Gb card be enough?
>> Thanks for your learned comments!
>>
>> Noel Claydon
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> Can I suggest a good place to start is using the df command? (Alt look under System Monitor | File Systems) to see what you are
> using now. In a new incompletely configured 9.10 I have about 3 G used on /dev/sda1/ so 4G might be enough, 8G would seem safer to
> me for a FE, combined might need even more, especially if you plan to run diskless- and cascade out copies of the OS!
>
>
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>
Hi Tortoise
Well can't do a df, and get a valid result because I'm not using
Mythbuntu Karmic yet. My Ubuntu Karmic desktop PC uses 15.2GB.
BUT I run a combination FE/BE machine with Jaunty at present for MythTV.

Noel

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criggie at criggie

Nov 17, 2009, 10:52 AM

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Kristian Haga Karstensen wrote:
> You should keep in mind that cf cards get worn out faster than regular
> hard drives, and are also quite expensive..
>
> Last time I checked, a cf card (8G) was as expensive as a relatively
> cheap ssd, (the ssd was around 10 times the size)..

Its a lot closer than I remember, but not quite as bad as that.

32GB adata SSD is ~$175+GST (cheapest model, not necessarily good)
32GB S592 SSD is around $250+
80GB Intel X25-M 2.5" SSD ~$500+
32GB Intel X25-E Extreme 2.5"SSD ~$800ish

16GB adata "speedy" CF card is around $90+

You can pay an awful lot more for a sandisk or other name-branded CF.




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stevehodge at gmail

Nov 17, 2009, 1:37 PM

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Kristian Haga Karstensen <
krizze [at] bluezone> wrote:

> You should keep in mind that cf cards get worn out faster than regular hard
> drives, and are also quite expensive..
>
> Last time I checked, a cf card (8G) was as expensive as a relatively cheap
> ssd, (the ssd was around 10 times the size)..
>

According to pricespy 8G CF cards start around $40.

Of course it may be that the original poster already has a CF card spare as
well.

Cheers,
Steve


noel at igrin

Nov 17, 2009, 7:38 PM

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Steve Hodge wrote:
> According to pricespy 8G CF cards start around $40.
>
> Of course it may be that the original poster already has a CF card
> spare as well.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
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So the consensus is an 8GB card should be enough, and an SD class 6
(6MB/S) is fast enough for a system drive?
It is understood the boot up time is irrelevant because the machine runs
24/7 anyway.
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stevehodge at gmail

Nov 17, 2009, 7:50 PM

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Noel & Di <noel [at] igrin> wrote:

> Steve Hodge wrote:
> > According to pricespy 8G CF cards start around $40.
> >
> > Of course it may be that the original poster already has a CF card
> > spare as well.
> So the consensus is an 8GB card should be enough, and an SD class 6
> (6MB/S) is fast enough for a system drive?
> It is understood the boot up time is irrelevant because the machine runs
> 24/7 anyway.
>

Speed shouldn't be a problem. Whether 8GB is enough depends on what else
you're installing. My system has a 10GB root partition which is 80% full,
but I run Gentoo which chews up a couple of gig in package management. If
you're using a distro with binary packages and only running Myth I think
you'll be fine with 8GB.

Cheers,
Steve


kenneth.b.dixon at gmail

Nov 18, 2009, 11:36 AM

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I ordered a couple of these last week to do something similar
http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=436517
Silicon Power eSATA/USB SSD 8GB.
I was going to software RAID them to try and get some extra performance.
Seem to be good value at ~$55, claim 90MB/s read, but reviews suggest
closer to 60MB/s.
One peculiarity is that most esata ports don't provide power, so must
be powered by usb.
If you can wait till the weekend I will tell you how they perform.

Ken

2009/11/18 Steve Hodge <stevehodge [at] gmail>:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Noel & Di <noel [at] igrin> wrote:
>>
>> Steve Hodge wrote:
>> > According to pricespy 8G CF cards start around $40.
>> >
>> > Of course it may be that the original poster already has a CF card
>> > spare as well.
>> So the consensus is an 8GB card should be enough, and an SD class 6
>> (6MB/S) is fast enough for a system drive?
>> It is understood the boot up time is irrelevant because the machine runs
>> 24/7 anyway.
>
> Speed shouldn't be a problem. Whether 8GB is enough depends on what  else
> you're installing. My system has a 10GB root partition which is 80% full,
> but I run Gentoo which chews up a couple of gig in package management. If
> you're using a distro with binary packages and only running Myth I think
> you'll be fine with 8GB.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
>
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noel at igrin

Nov 18, 2009, 12:32 PM

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Aha! yes I await your report with great anticipation.


Kenneth Dixon wrote:
> I ordered a couple of these last week to do something similar
> http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=436517
> Silicon Power eSATA/USB SSD 8GB.
> I was going to software RAID them to try and get some extra performance.
> Seem to be good value at ~$55, claim 90MB/s read, but reviews suggest
> closer to 60MB/s.
> One peculiarity is that most esata ports don't provide power, so must
> be powered by usb.
> If you can wait till the weekend I will tell you how they perform.
>
> Ken
>
> 2009/11/18 Steve Hodge <stevehodge [at] gmail>:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Noel & Di <noel [at] igrin> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Hodge wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to pricespy 8G CF cards start around $40.
>>>>
>>>> Of course it may be that the original poster already has a CF card
>>>> spare as well.
>>>>
>>> So the consensus is an 8GB card should be enough, and an SD class 6
>>> (6MB/S) is fast enough for a system drive?
>>> It is understood the boot up time is irrelevant because the machine runs
>>> 24/7 anyway.
>>>
>> Speed shouldn't be a problem. Whether 8GB is enough depends on what else
>> you're installing. My system has a 10GB root partition which is 80% full,
>> but I run Gentoo which chews up a couple of gig in package management. If
>> you're using a distro with binary packages and only running Myth I think
>> you'll be fine with 8GB.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve
>>
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barryc at bcsystems

Nov 18, 2009, 3:44 PM

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2009/11/19 Noel & Di <noel [at] igrin>

> Aha! yes I await your report with great anticipation.
>
>
> Kenneth Dixon wrote:
> > I ordered a couple of these last week to do something similar
> > http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=436517
> > Silicon Power eSATA/USB SSD 8GB.
> > I was going to software RAID them to try and get some extra performance.
> > Seem to be good value at ~$55, claim 90MB/s read, but reviews suggest
> > closer to 60MB/s.
> > One peculiarity is that most esata ports don't provide power, so must
> > be powered by usb.
> > If you can wait till the weekend I will tell you how they perform.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > 2009/11/18 Steve Hodge <stevehodge [at] gmail>:
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Noel & Di <noel [at] igrin> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve Hodge wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> According to pricespy 8G CF cards start around $40.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course it may be that the original poster already has a CF card
> >>>> spare as well.
> >>>>
> >>> So the consensus is an 8GB card should be enough, and an SD class 6
> >>> (6MB/S) is fast enough for a system drive?
> >>> It is understood the boot up time is irrelevant because the machine
> runs
> >>> 24/7 anyway.
> >>>
> >> Speed shouldn't be a problem. Whether 8GB is enough depends on what
> else
> >> you're installing. My system has a 10GB root partition which is 80%
> full,
> >> but I run Gentoo which chews up a couple of gig in package management.
> If
> >> you're using a distro with binary packages and only running Myth I think
> >> you'll be fine with 8GB.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Steve
> >>
>

Due to the nature of SSD drives Block delete and erase mechanisms, they
tend to slow down with useage and unless they support the TRIM command,
which not all drives currently do, you are probably going to experience some
frustration. The cheaper drives like the Kingston 64Gb one don't.

The solution is to run TRIM about once every 2 weeks, which is supported in
the EXT4 file system, so as to keep the drive running at best speed. I don't
have a list of smaller 8 or 16Gb SSD drives that run it but according to APC
december 09 Magazine, Patriot Torqx, G.skill Falcon and Corsair X128 all
support TRIM whereas Intel X25-M and Kingston 128Gb V and 64Gb M don't.
Intel plans to support it in the future but will require a firmware upgrade
that appears to need a physical jumper set on the drive to perform :-)
Very cool technology nevertheless.

Barry Clearwater
Email: barryc [at] bcsystems


kenneth.b.dixon at gmail

Nov 21, 2009, 4:12 PM

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Ok, its done.
After spending all yesterday failing to get software RAID (mdadm)
going and booting, I tried SATA RAID (fakeraid) which is now supported
in the Ubuntu installer which made life a lot easer. For anyone who
needs to move their old system disk over to a new raid disk, here is
an outline of how I did it:

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
Installation:

1) On boot enter the BIOS and setup your raid array. I my case it was
to parts, telling the BIOS to put the SATA controler into RAID mode,
then rebooting entering into the raid utility (Ctrl-l in my case) and
setting up the array which was RAID-0.

2) Insert the Mythbuntu Install CDROM and boot into it and start the
install procedure. In the partition manager select 'use entire disk'
and select your newly created raid array. It will have a funny name,
mine was pdc_bdceajdhcj. continue the install as normal. Do not reboot
when done (or if you have already, just boot into the install disk
again).

3) Open a terminal window, and mount both your old and new drives.

cd /media

sudo mkdir /media/old

sudo mount /dev/sdxy /media/old
# y being the disk letter and x being the partition number of your old
disk (in my case /dev/sdc1)

sudo mkdir /media/new

sudo mount /dev/mapper/raidArrayNameAndPartitionNumber
# raidArrayNameAndPartitionNumber being the name of your new raid
array and the partition ubuntu was installed to ( in my case
/dev/mapper/pdc_bdceajdhcj1)

4)Copy your old Mythbuntu installation on top of your new one. In this
case I excluded my old grub settings in case it broke things, and also
my recordings directory because it belongs back on my big slow drive
anyway (and it wouldn't fit on my new one).

sudo rsync -a --progress --exclude="/etc/grub.d"
--exclude="/etc/default/grub" --exclude="/var/lib/mythtv/recordings"
--exclude="/boot" --exclude="/etc/fstab" /media/old/ /media/new/

5) reboot, make sure your BIOS is pointing to your RAID array as the boot drive.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
OK that's the installation, now for the performance results. I have
included my laptop HDD and old MythTV system disk for comparison,
attached is an HTML created from Bonnie++ with more results:
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
Benchmarks: (also see attached HTML)

sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda

Laptop HDD (ST9160821AS):
Timing cached reads: 7042 MB in 1.99 seconds = 3530.74 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 134 MB in 3.03 seconds = 44.22 MB/sec

Desktop HDD (WDC-Green)
Timing cached reads: 2046 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1023.08 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 192 MB in 3.01 seconds = 63.70 MB/sec

Silicon Power 8GB SSD
Timing cached reads: 2202 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1100.97 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 242 MB in 3.02 seconds = 80.10 MB/sec

Silicon Power 8GB SSD - Software RAID0
Timing cached reads: 2352 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1175.64 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 378 MB in 3.01 seconds = 125.52 MB/sec

Silicon Power 8GB SSD - Fakeraid RAID0
Timing cached reads: 2378 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1189.31 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 340 MB in 3.02 seconds = 112.68 MB/sec

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
Boot Time:

Boot time WDC-Green
88 Seconds

Boot time SSD-FakeRaid-Raid0
70 Seconds total
25 Seconds of that was for the Bios RAID utility "Scanning Disks"

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
Drive specs:

sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda

/dev/sda:

ATA device, with non-removable media
Model Number: eSATA SSD
Serial Number: 0000000000000000026F
Firmware Revision: 081016
Standards:
Used: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D revision 4a
Supported: 8 7 6 5 & some of 8
Configuration:
Logical max current
cylinders 15620 15620
heads 16 16
sectors/track 63 63
--
CHS current addressable sectors: 15744960
LBA user addressable sectors: 15744960
Logical/Physical Sector size: 512 bytes
device size with M = 1024*1024: 7687 MBytes
device size with M = 1000*1000: 8061 MBytes (8 GB)
cache/buffer size = unknown
Nominal Media Rotation Rate: Solid State Device
Capabilities:
LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum
R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 1 Current = ?
Recommended acoustic management value: 128, current value: 254
DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
Cycle time: no flow control=120ns IORDY flow control=120ns
Commands/features:
Enabled Supported:
* SMART feature set
* Power Management feature set
* Write cache
Look-ahead
* Mandatory FLUSH_CACHE
* Gen1 signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
* Gen2 signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
Checksum: correct

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
Conclusion:

Well I'm pretty happy with the results,
- I was able to keep my old system with its tweaks
- MythTV boots significantly faster
- MythTV is infinitely more responsive (channel changing and general
navigation).
- MythTV is more stable (Use to crash a lot when changing channels,
this is no longer the case. I'm not sure if this was due to the
slowness of my old drive or having my livetv directory on the system
drive or both.)
- Uses less power as I can now spin down my recordings drive when not
in use and the SSD's don't use much power at all.
- Cost all up was $137, including: 2xSSD(8GB), 1xESATA Bracket and
shipping. (This compares pretty well with the 'Proper' SSD's currently
on the market)

Reservations:
- Despite having 'SSD' in the title, the drives look to be designed as
transportable storage rather than system disks and I'm not sure the
wear-levelling technology on them is up to the spec of a proper SSD.
Hopefully by time they crap out SSD prices will have come down enough
to buy a real one.

Any questions? don't hesitate to ask.

Ken.



2009/11/19 Noel & Di <noel [at] igrin>:
> Aha! yes I await your report with great anticipation.
>
>
> Kenneth Dixon wrote:
>> I ordered a couple of these last week to do something similar
>> http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=436517
>> Silicon Power eSATA/USB SSD 8GB.
>> I was going to software RAID them to try and get some extra performance.
>> Seem to be good value at ~$55, claim 90MB/s read, but reviews suggest
>> closer to 60MB/s.
>> One peculiarity is that most esata ports don't provide power, so must
>> be powered by usb.
>> If you can wait till the weekend I will tell you how they perform.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> 2009/11/18 Steve Hodge <stevehodge [at] gmail>:
>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Noel & Di <noel [at] igrin> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve Hodge wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> According to pricespy 8G CF cards start around $40.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it may be that the original poster already has a CF card
>>>>> spare as well.
>>>>>
>>>> So the consensus is an 8GB card should be enough, and an SD class 6
>>>> (6MB/S) is fast enough for a system drive?
>>>> It is understood the boot up time is irrelevant because the machine runs
>>>> 24/7 anyway.
>>>>
>>> Speed shouldn't be a problem. Whether 8GB is enough depends on what  else
>>> you're installing. My system has a 10GB root partition which is 80% full,
>>> but I run Gentoo which chews up a couple of gig in package management. If
>>> you're using a distro with binary packages and only running Myth I think
>>> you'll be fine with 8GB.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve
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noel at igrin

Nov 23, 2009, 9:18 AM

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Here is a link to an article which shows how to reduce the writes to a
CF card system-drive.
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Install_To_CompactFlash

What is the opinion on this writing of temporary-files to a ram-disk,
with respect to mythTV?
I currently have 2GB of ram and 3GHz single core processor with a 256MB
video card. I run SD from 2xDVBS cards.
Regards
noel

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tortise at paradise

Dec 6, 2009, 3:02 PM

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----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Clearwater
To: MythTV in NZ
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] CF card as system drive



Due to the nature of SSD drives Block delete and erase mechanisms, they tend to slow down with useage and unless they support the
TRIM command, which not all drives currently do, you are probably going to experience some frustration. The cheaper drives like the
Kingston 64Gb one don't.

The solution is to run TRIM about once every 2 weeks, which is supported in the EXT4 file system, so as to keep the drive running at
best speed. I don't have a list of smaller 8 or 16Gb SSD drives that run it but according to APC december 09 Magazine, Patriot
Torqx, G.skill Falcon and Corsair X128 all support TRIM whereas Intel X25-M and Kingston 128Gb V and 64Gb M don't. Intel plans to
support it in the future but will require a firmware upgrade that appears to need a physical jumper set on the drive to perform :-)
Very cool technology nevertheless.

Barry Clearwater
Email: barryc [at] bcsystems




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Has anyone actually tried one fo the "cheap" kingston V series SSD drives such as the 64G one? I wonder what frustration exactly
one might worry about running into?


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simon at simongreen

Dec 6, 2009, 3:58 PM

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Interesting article (linked from UWS originally) about Ubuntu 9.10 on SSD.

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce-Dmitri-s-open-source-blend-of-productive-computing/Ubuntu-9.10-on-SSD

-- simon


nick.rout at gmail

Dec 6, 2009, 5:09 PM

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On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Simon Green <simon [at] simongreen> wrote:
> Interesting article (linked from UWS originally) about Ubuntu 9.10 on SSD.
>
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce-Dmitri-s-open-source-blend-of-productive-computing/Ubuntu-9.10-on-SSD

Nice.

Do they make thses with an IDE port intead of sata? My notebook has an
IDE drive.

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tortise at paradise

Dec 7, 2009, 2:02 AM

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Rout" <nick.rout [at] gmail>
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Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:09 PM
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> Nice.
>
> Do they make thses with an IDE port intead of sata? My notebook has an
> IDE drive.
>
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Yes e.g. http://www.memoryc.co.uk/products/description/32GB_Transcend_2_5-IDE_Internal_SSD_Solid_State_Disk/index.html Read times
on this one are slower than the SATA SSD versions. Google may have more for you.


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