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stephen_agent at jsw

Nov 15, 2009, 5:50 PM

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Nova T-500 cards

I ordered a Hauppauge Nova T-500 card from Ascent:

http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=373800

What has just arrived is not the model I ordered - it is a Nova TD-500
Model 298. The box shows a picture of a card with two aerial inputs -
the web page I ordered from clearly had a picture with only one aerial
input. The model number on the box is a sticker - I can read through
it to see that the model number it covers up is 289. So the picture
on the outside of the box, and the text that says "Diversity
Technology", may not actually apply to the card inside. I know that
the Linux drivers work for the original Nova T-500 cards. And I have
found pages that say they have recently (late last year?) been updated
to work with TD-500 cards. But the "diversity" cards definitely do
not work and never will (there were only a few made and they have all
sold out). Indeed, Hauppauge UK seems to have been swapping the
diversity cards for Linux users so that they can get something that
works.

Ascent do not want me to open the packet and try the card out to see
if it is OK with Linux. I would prefer to keep the card if it is
going to work, rather than sending it back, as I suspect that
Hauppauge are no longer shipping the original Nova T-500 cards and
they will not be able to swap the Nova TD-500 for one.

So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?

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aarond at postec

Nov 15, 2009, 5:57 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

From: mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists
[mailto:mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of Stephen
Worthington
>
>So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
>cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?

I am using a Nova T card with two antenna connections. Sorry, I don't
know exactly what model it is. I can confirm that it is working fine in
Linux. I don't use the onboard IR connection, as I already had a Nova-S
card already configured for this. Also haven't got the FM radio working
- haven't even tried.

If you don't get any other response, tell me how to check what model I
have and I can check if mine is the same.

Hope this helps.

Aaron

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barryc at bcsystems

Nov 15, 2009, 6:36 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

2009/11/16 Aaron Drysdale <aarond [at] postec>

> From: mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists
> [mailto:mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Worthington
> >
> >So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
> >cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?
>
> I am using a Nova T card with two antenna connections. Sorry, I don't
> know exactly what model it is. I can confirm that it is working fine in
> Linux. I don't use the onboard IR connection, as I already had a Nova-S
> card already configured for this. Also haven't got the FM radio working
> - haven't even tried.
>
> If you don't get any other response, tell me how to check what model I
> have and I can check if mine is the same.
>
>

The one I got 5 months ago had the same picture on the box but was a one
aerial input inside.
They'll be from the same place. Too expensive to reprint boxes. Don't recall
FM radio apart from that provided by Freeview.

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tony.sauri at gmail

Nov 15, 2009, 10:00 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:50, Stephen Worthington wrote:
> I ordered a Hauppauge Nova T-500 card from Ascent:
>
> http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=373800
>
> What has just arrived is not the model I ordered - it is a Nova TD-500
> Model 298.
>
> So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
> cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?
>
> _______________________________________________
Well to heap further confusion on the pile

I ordered a NOVA-T-500 fromm Ascent about 12 months ago.

The package that arrived pictured a card with a single ariel input but the box
was labeled "Dual Tuner"

The box was originally printed with the model Designation WinTV-NOVA-T-500
model 289and a barcode number of 7 85428 00289 7

This printing was covered up by a label with that said WinTV-Nova_T-500-HD
with the barcode now stating 7 85428 00298 9.

I just wacked it in my PC and it worked first go. The remote works fine but
there is no reference to FM radio.

Two other labels on the box were

1 Assembled in Indonesia (Instead of Assembled in Malaysia)

2 HD High Definition MPEG-2/-4 HDTV Ready.

So I got a HD card in a modified SD box is how I read all this.

In your case I wonder what the D stands for after the T I can see that you
might be concerned that at stands for Diversity.

Would not know how to advise you further.

Regards

TOny Sauri

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hads at nice

Nov 15, 2009, 10:21 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 19:00 +1300, Tony Sauri wrote:
> So I got a HD card in a modified SD box is how I read all this.

If you're referring to HD as in High Definition, DVB cards[1] don't
support SD or HD or anything, they just pass whatever the broadcast
stream is to whatever requests it.

hads

[1] Budget cards at least, which is all you want to care about.

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ross at inertia

Nov 15, 2009, 10:29 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

Hi there

> So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
> cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?

For what it's worth, I have this card in my system (TD-500, two antenna
inputs, big "diversity!" ad on the box, made in Indonesia).

It works perfectly fine for video out of the box, although to get the
remote working I had to patch the driver (Ubuntu Jaunty). I believe the
difference between this and the original T-500 is that the TD-500 is
actually a USB device and the PCI card is just a USB controller with the
TD-500 USB attached to it, so it is handled by a completely different
driver.

Also, I'm pretty sure the "D" in TD-500 does stand for diversity.

Output from dmesg:

[ 6.588021] dvb-usb: found a 'Hauppauge Nova-TD-500 (84xxx)' in warm
state.
[ 6.588072] dvb-usb: will pass the complete MPEG2 transport stream to
the software demuxer.
[ 6.588275] DVB: registering new adapter (Hauppauge Nova-TD-500 (84xxx))
[ 6.821171] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (DiBcom 7000PC)...
[ 7.047474] DiB0070: successfully identified
[ 7.047476] dvb-usb: will pass the complete MPEG2 transport stream to
the software demuxer.
[ 7.047636] DVB: registering new adapter (Hauppauge Nova-TD-500 (84xxx))
[ 7.197262] DVB: registering adapter 1 frontend 0 (DiBcom 7000PC)...
[ 7.423441] DiB0070: successfully identified
[ 7.423511] input: IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver as
/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.4/0000:03:06.2/usb3/3-1/input/input4
[ 7.424389] dvb-usb: schedule remote query interval to 50 msecs.
[ 7.424391] dvb-usb: Hauppauge Nova-TD-500 (84xxx) successfully
initialized and connected.

The IR receiver line did not come up out of the box, this only appeared
after patching the driver. The latest ubuntu release may have this fixed.

I have not tried FM, I was not aware the card had the feature.

HTH

Ross

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stephen_agent at jsw

Nov 15, 2009, 10:48 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:00:43 +1300, you wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:50, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>> I ordered a Hauppauge Nova T-500 card from Ascent:
>>
>> http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=373800
>>
>> What has just arrived is not the model I ordered - it is a Nova TD-500
>> Model 298.
>>
>> So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
>> cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>Well to heap further confusion on the pile
>
>I ordered a NOVA-T-500 fromm Ascent about 12 months ago.
>
>The package that arrived pictured a card with a single ariel input but the box
>was labeled "Dual Tuner"
>
>The box was originally printed with the model Designation WinTV-NOVA-T-500
>model 289and a barcode number of 7 85428 00289 7
>
>This printing was covered up by a label with that said WinTV-Nova_T-500-HD
>with the barcode now stating 7 85428 00298 9.
>
>I just wacked it in my PC and it worked first go. The remote works fine but
>there is no reference to FM radio.
>
>Two other labels on the box were
>
>1 Assembled in Indonesia (Instead of Assembled in Malaysia)
>
>2 HD High Definition MPEG-2/-4 HDTV Ready.
>
>So I got a HD card in a modified SD box is how I read all this.
>
>In your case I wonder what the D stands for after the T I can see that you
>might be concerned that at stands for Diversity.
>
>Would not know how to advise you further.
>
>Regards
>
>TOny Sauri

Thank you - that label and barcode number exactly matches mine. I had
not noticed that the barcode had also had a new sticker put on top of
it. So mine should work just like yours.

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blmiller at slingshot

Nov 15, 2009, 11:03 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

What I always understood the nova-t-500 to be:

The original Nova-T-500 is a USB device.
Two USB tuners & USB hub on PCI card.

Simple cheap clever way to get dual tuners on one PCB.

I read something on the web about a reason for going to two antenna inputs.
Don't remember the details, but seems pointless & annoying as will have more
loss with one antenna thru' splitter.
Only benefit would be pointing the two UHF antenna in different directions.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Worthington" <stephen_agent [at] jsw>
To: <hoiho.nz [at] gmail>; "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Nova T-500 cards

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:00:43 +1300, you wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:50, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>>> I ordered a Hauppauge Nova T-500 card from Ascent:
>>>
>>> http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=373800
>>>
>>> What has just arrived is not the model I ordered - it is a Nova TD-500
>>> Model 298.
>>>
>>> So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
>>> cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>Well to heap further confusion on the pile
>>
>>I ordered a NOVA-T-500 fromm Ascent about 12 months ago.
>>
>>The package that arrived pictured a card with a single ariel input but the
>>box
>>was labeled "Dual Tuner"
>>
>>The box was originally printed with the model Designation WinTV-NOVA-T-500
>>model 289and a barcode number of 7 85428 00289 7
>>
>>This printing was covered up by a label with that said WinTV-Nova_T-500-HD
>>with the barcode now stating 7 85428 00298 9.
>>
>>I just wacked it in my PC and it worked first go. The remote works fine
>>but
>>there is no reference to FM radio.
>>
>>Two other labels on the box were
>>
>>1 Assembled in Indonesia (Instead of Assembled in Malaysia)
>>
>>2 HD High Definition MPEG-2/-4 HDTV Ready.
>>
>>So I got a HD card in a modified SD box is how I read all this.
>>
>>In your case I wonder what the D stands for after the T I can see that
>>you
>>might be concerned that at stands for Diversity.
>>
>>Would not know how to advise you further.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>TOny Sauri
>
> Thank you - that label and barcode number exactly matches mine. I had
> not noticed that the barcode had also had a new sticker put on top of
> it. So mine should work just like yours.
>
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blmiller at slingshot

Nov 15, 2009, 11:09 PM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

There has been a large number of problems in the windoze$ world with the
Nova-T-500 that used the Via USB chipset.

Maybe Haupauggggge designed in a different USB controller chipset for the
TD-500.

Would be interesting to know.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Worthington" <stephen_agent [at] jsw>
To: <hoiho.nz [at] gmail>; "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Nova T-500 cards

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:00:43 +1300, you wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:50, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>>> I ordered a Hauppauge Nova T-500 card from Ascent:
>>>
>>> http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=373800
>>>
>>> What has just arrived is not the model I ordered - it is a Nova TD-500
>>> Model 298.
>>>
>>> So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
>>> cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>Well to heap further confusion on the pile
>>
>>I ordered a NOVA-T-500 fromm Ascent about 12 months ago.
>>
>>The package that arrived pictured a card with a single ariel input but the
>>box
>>was labeled "Dual Tuner"
>>
>>The box was originally printed with the model Designation WinTV-NOVA-T-500
>>model 289and a barcode number of 7 85428 00289 7
>>
>>This printing was covered up by a label with that said WinTV-Nova_T-500-HD
>>with the barcode now stating 7 85428 00298 9.
>>
>>I just wacked it in my PC and it worked first go. The remote works fine
>>but
>>there is no reference to FM radio.
>>
>>Two other labels on the box were
>>
>>1 Assembled in Indonesia (Instead of Assembled in Malaysia)
>>
>>2 HD High Definition MPEG-2/-4 HDTV Ready.
>>
>>So I got a HD card in a modified SD box is how I read all this.
>>
>>In your case I wonder what the D stands for after the T I can see that
>>you
>>might be concerned that at stands for Diversity.
>>
>>Would not know how to advise you further.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>TOny Sauri
>
> Thank you - that label and barcode number exactly matches mine. I had
> not noticed that the barcode had also had a new sticker put on top of
> it. So mine should work just like yours.
>
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stephen_agent at jsw

Nov 16, 2009, 12:26 AM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:03:55 +1300, you wrote:

>What I always understood the nova-t-500 to be:
>
>The original Nova-T-500 is a USB device.
>Two USB tuners & USB hub on PCI card.
>
>Simple cheap clever way to get dual tuners on one PCB.
>
>I read something on the web about a reason for going to two antenna inputs.
>Don't remember the details, but seems pointless & annoying as will have more
>loss with one antenna thru' splitter.
>Only benefit would be pointing the two UHF antenna in different directions.

It is actually better to have two aerial inputs. If there is only one
input, then there has to be a splitter on the board, and they are
frequently of dubious quality. With separate inputs, you can feed
them both whatever quality signal you want, without having another 6?
dB of loss in the onboard splitter. In NZ, you need three DVB-T
tuners to be able to record all channels at the same time. So you
probably will have a three-way splitter with the third aerial feed
going to another card. With an onboard splitter, that third aerial
would have a higher signal level as it is not further split and the
signal to the two Nova-T tuners would be lower level.

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blmiller at slingshot

Nov 16, 2009, 1:00 AM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:03:55 +1300, you wrote:
>
>>What I always understood the nova-t-500 to be:
>>
>>The original Nova-T-500 is a USB device.
>>Two USB tuners & USB hub on PCI card.
>>
>>Simple cheap clever way to get dual tuners on one PCB.
>>
>>I read something on the web about a reason for going to two antenna
>>inputs.
>>Don't remember the details, but seems pointless & annoying as will have
>>more
>>loss with one antenna thru' splitter.
>>Only benefit would be pointing the two UHF antenna in different
>>directions.
>
> It is actually better to have two aerial inputs. If there is only one
> input, then there has to be a splitter on the board, and they are
> frequently of dubious quality. With separate inputs, you can feed
> them both whatever quality signal you want, without having another 6?
> dB of loss in the onboard splitter. In NZ, you need three DVB-T
> tuners to be able to record all channels at the same time. So you
> probably will have a three-way splitter with the third aerial feed
> going to another card. With an onboard splitter, that third aerial
> would have a higher signal level as it is not further split and the
> signal to the two Nova-T tuners would be lower level.
>

The on-board splitter will not cause any excess loss.
One single input correctly terminated, one LNA with gain to offset any
splitting loss feeding two tuners.
I would be more worried about the nasty cheap consumer market splitters.

With two inputs people are going to join them together with a bit of wire, I
would.

You are right about needing the extra tuner to get three & another antenna
does give you more signal.

Better to have just one high gain antenna as big as necessary, TV aerials
are a blot on the landscape & 91 element UHF ones are length > 2m.

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ross at inertia

Nov 16, 2009, 1:11 AM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

Brett Miller wrote:

> What I always understood the nova-t-500 to be:
>
> The original Nova-T-500 is a USB device.
> Two USB tuners& USB hub on PCI card.

I stand corrected. Sorry - I never owned an original non diversity T-500.

> I read something on the web about a reason for going to two antenna inputs.
> Don't remember the details, but seems pointless& annoying as will have more
> loss with one antenna thru' splitter.
> Only benefit would be pointing the two UHF antenna in different directions.

> With two inputs people are going to join them together with a bit of wire, I
> would.

I should mention that the TD-500 does not require an antenna in both
sockets, I have only a single input into mine and nothing in the second
port but both tuners work. The second port is for diversity only. So you
can use it if you have multiple antennas but otherwise just use it as
you do with the single port version.

Ross

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stephen_agent at jsw

Nov 16, 2009, 4:20 AM

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Re: Nova T-500 cards [In reply to]

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:48:37 +1300, you wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:00:43 +1300, you wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:50, Stephen Worthington wrote:
>>> I ordered a Hauppauge Nova T-500 card from Ascent:
>>>
>>> http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=373800
>>>
>>> What has just arrived is not the model I ordered - it is a Nova TD-500
>>> Model 298.
>>>
>>> So, has anyone out there used one of these Nova TD-500 Model 298
>>> cards? Do they work? Does the remote work? The FM radio?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>Well to heap further confusion on the pile
>>
>>I ordered a NOVA-T-500 fromm Ascent about 12 months ago.
>>
>>The package that arrived pictured a card with a single ariel input but the box
>>was labeled "Dual Tuner"
>>
>>The box was originally printed with the model Designation WinTV-NOVA-T-500
>>model 289and a barcode number of 7 85428 00289 7
>>
>>This printing was covered up by a label with that said WinTV-Nova_T-500-HD
>>with the barcode now stating 7 85428 00298 9.
>>
>>I just wacked it in my PC and it worked first go. The remote works fine but
>>there is no reference to FM radio.
>>
>>Two other labels on the box were
>>
>>1 Assembled in Indonesia (Instead of Assembled in Malaysia)
>>
>>2 HD High Definition MPEG-2/-4 HDTV Ready.
>>
>>So I got a HD card in a modified SD box is how I read all this.
>>
>>In your case I wonder what the D stands for after the T I can see that you
>>might be concerned that at stands for Diversity.
>>
>>Would not know how to advise you further.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>TOny Sauri
>
>Thank you - that label and barcode number exactly matches mine. I had
>not noticed that the barcode had also had a new sticker put on top of
>it. So mine should work just like yours.

And I have now installed it and the dmesg log shows that it should be
working correctly. I have not actually got a TV program to play yet
though - I still have something wrong in my setup. I will have
another go tomorrow.

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