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hads at nice

Sep 24, 2009, 12:40 PM

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OT: MySkiHDI

Hi all,

Is anyone familiar with MySky? I note their ads state "record two channels at
the same time while watching a third live".

Does the box actually have three tuners, or do they do it magically with two
tuners?

Cheers,

hads
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simon at simongreen

Sep 24, 2009, 5:27 PM

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2009/9/25 Hadley Rich <hads [at] nice>

> Is anyone familiar with MySky? I note their ads state "record two channels
> at
> the same time while watching a third live".
>
> Does the box actually have three tuners, or do they do it magically with
> two
> tuners?
>

The box actually has four tuners. The forth one is used to download EPG, On
Demand movies (which use half of your 320GB harddrive) and software updates.
When the box was first shipped, only two tuners were enabled. This was
changed with a software update later on.

-- simon


source:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/gadget-reviews/600346/Review-I-MySky-HDI-i


hads at nice

Sep 24, 2009, 5:34 PM

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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:27:35 Simon Green wrote:
> The box actually has four tuners. The forth one is used to download EPG, On
> Demand movies (which use half of your 320GB harddrive) and software
> updates. When the box was first shipped, only two tuners were enabled.
> This was changed with a software update later on.
>
> -- simon
>
> source:
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/gadget-reviews/600346/Review-I-My
> Sky-HDI-i

Thanks Simon, that's exactly what I was looking for. I was mostly just
wondering if their ads were being misleading.

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stephen_agent at jsw

Sep 24, 2009, 7:51 PM

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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:34:05 +1200, you wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:27:35 Simon Green wrote:
>> The box actually has four tuners. The forth one is used to download EPG, On
>> Demand movies (which use half of your 320GB harddrive) and software
>> updates. When the box was first shipped, only two tuners were enabled.
>> This was changed with a software update later on.
>>
>> -- simon
>>
>> source:
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/gadget-reviews/600346/Review-I-My
>> Sky-HDI-i
>
>Thanks Simon, that's exactly what I was looking for. I was mostly just
>wondering if their ads were being misleading.
>
>hads

We still do not know if they can do multirec though - if not, then you
will still run out of tuners during the pre/post roll overlaps between
programs.

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stevehodge at gmail

Sep 24, 2009, 8:08 PM

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Stephen Worthington <
stephen_agent [at] jsw> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:34:05 +1200, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:27:35 Simon Green wrote:
> >> The box actually has four tuners. The forth one is used to download EPG,
> On
> >> Demand movies (which use half of your 320GB harddrive) and software
> >> updates. When the box was first shipped, only two tuners were enabled.
> >> This was changed with a software update later on.
> >>
> >> source:
> >>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/gadget-reviews/600346/Review-I-My
> >> Sky-HDI-i
> >
> >Thanks Simon, that's exactly what I was looking for. I was mostly just
> >wondering if their ads were being misleading.
>
> We still do not know if they can do multirec though


I'd be stunned if they used multirec. It's not really an easy feature for
users to understand unless you've got as many tuners as multiplexes.
Otherwise you have to explain why sometimes you can record X programs at
once and sometimes you can't. According to
http://www.lyngsat.com/optusd1.html Sky have 13 multiplexes so multirecord
would be of limited benefit to them.

- if not, then you
> will still run out of tuners during the pre/post roll overlaps between
> programs.
>

They never said you wouldn't run out of tuners. They said you could record 2
programs and watch another. Since they have 2 tuners dedicated to recording
and 1 dedicated to live TV (and another dedicated to downloads) that
statement is guaranteed to be true. If overlaps means you want to record
three things at once that's just tough - they never promised you could
record three things at once (even if the hardware is more than capable of
actually doing so).

Cheers,
Steve


rustbucket99 at gmail

Sep 24, 2009, 8:18 PM

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Re: OT: MySkiHDI [In reply to]

The Pace Website gives a breakdown of the box.

http://www.pace.com/corporate/products/productDetails.asp?nav=products&productID=DSAT-TDS850NNZ


phill at getresults

Sep 24, 2009, 8:36 PM

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On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 14:51 +1200, Stephen Worthington wrote:

> We still do not know if they can do multirec though - if not, then you
> will still run out of tuners during the pre/post roll overlaps between
> programs.

I may be able to answer that.

Recording two channels and watching a third is fine.

But if there are two programs recording finishing at say 7pm and a third
program set to start recording on a third channel starting at 7pm, then
we get hit by the pre/post overlap and our MySkyHDi box crashes while
trying to record all 3 during the overlap period.

I hope that makes sense. So, it definitely seems to run out of tuners
and loses the plot.



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phill at getresults

Sep 24, 2009, 8:38 PM

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On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 15:18 +1200, Mark Crawford wrote:
> The Pace Website gives a breakdown of the box.
>
> http://www.pace.com/corporate/products/productDetails.asp?nav=products&productID=DSAT-TDS850NNZ

Hmmm. Interesting to see the specs say it can record 3 channels at once
while watching another. Certainly not the case in my experience -
possibly an issue with our MySkyHDi box or a limitation set by Sky NZ...


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steven at openmedia

Sep 24, 2009, 8:57 PM

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On Fri, September 25, 2009 2:51 pm, Stephen Worthington wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:34:05 +1200, you wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:27:35 Simon Green wrote:
>>> The box actually has four tuners. The forth one is used to download
>>> EPG, On
>>> Demand movies (which use half of your 320GB harddrive) and software
>>> updates. When the box was first shipped, only two tuners were enabled.
>>> This was changed with a software update later on.
>>>
>>> -- simon
>>>
>>> source:
>>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/gadget-reviews/600346/Review-I-My
>>> Sky-HDI-i
>>
>>Thanks Simon, that's exactly what I was looking for. I was mostly just
>>wondering if their ads were being misleading.
>>
>>hads
>
> We still do not know if they can do multirec though - if not, then you
> will still run out of tuners during the pre/post roll overlaps between
> programs.

MySkyHDi doesn't support multirec. There are numerous posts on forums
about tuner conflicts due to only two tuners available for recording, and
hence only two channels.

Steve

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nick.rout at gmail

Sep 24, 2009, 9:09 PM

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Phill Coxon <phill [at] getresults> wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 15:18 +1200, Mark Crawford wrote:
>> The Pace Website gives a breakdown of the box.
>>
>> http://www.pace.com/corporate/products/productDetails.asp?nav=products&productID=DSAT-TDS850NNZ
>
> Hmmm. Interesting to see the specs say it can record 3 channels at once
> while watching another.  Certainly not the case in my experience -
> possibly an issue with our MySkyHDi box or a limitation set by Sky NZ...
>

perhaps disabled in firmware. They want you watching at least one live
channel so you see the ads!

BTW does livetv get 'recorded' like in MythTV? ie can you watch it
again tomorrow?

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nick.rout at gmail

Sep 24, 2009, 9:11 PM

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Phill Coxon <phill [at] getresults> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 15:18 +1200, Mark Crawford wrote:
>>> The Pace Website gives a breakdown of the box.
>>>
>>> http://www.pace.com/corporate/products/productDetails.asp?nav=products&productID=DSAT-TDS850NNZ
>>
>> Hmmm. Interesting to see the specs say it can record 3 channels at once
>> while watching another.  Certainly not the case in my experience -
>> possibly an issue with our MySkyHDi box or a limitation set by Sky NZ...
>>
>
> perhaps disabled in firmware. They want you watching at least one live
> channel so you see the ads!
>
> BTW does livetv get 'recorded' like in MythTV? ie can you watch it
> again tomorrow?

Also, why do they have to reserve a whole tuner for EPG? Madness
surely. (But reliable I guess, no risk of all 4 tuners being busy 24/7
and EPG being unable to update)

>

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simon at simongreen

Sep 24, 2009, 9:11 PM

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2009/9/25 Phill Coxon <phill [at] getresults>

> Hmmm. Interesting to see the specs say it can record 3 channels at once
> while watching another. Certainly not the case in my experience -
> possibly an issue with our MySkyHDi box or a limitation set by Sky NZ...
>

I would suggest that it is the later, although don't know that for a fact.
Sky use the forth tuner to download On Demand movies which I'm guessing are
'recorded' in real time. These movies also take up ˝ your hard drive space
too.

If you were using all four tuners for recording your own shows, then you
might not be able to watch an On Demand movie as it wouldn't be available to
watch. Depends partly on how many times Sky TV 'send' the movie to the STB
too.

The fourth tuner is also used for EPG downloads.

-- simon


phill at getresults

Sep 24, 2009, 9:29 PM

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On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 16:09 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:

> perhaps disabled in firmware. They want you watching at least one live
> channel so you see the ads!

Possibly. Should really call sky and find out if there's a problem with
my box. I would hope that if they had firmware limited it to recording
only two channels at once it wouldn't cause the box to hardlock and
require a power cycle at the wall to fix it. Grrrr.

> BTW does livetv get 'recorded' like in MythTV? ie can you watch it
> again tomorrow?

Live TV is recorded if you hit the record button. One you hit record
it's simply added to the list of available recordings that can be
watched at any time until deleted.

Is that what you were asking?

Having live pause, rewind and fast forward is exceptionally useful with
a 3 year old noise generator running around the lounge singing fairy
songs very loudly.

Overall it's quite a nice box apart from the usual evil DRM / closed
source limitations.




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phill at getresults

Sep 24, 2009, 9:31 PM

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On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 14:11 +1000, Simon Green wrote:


> I would suggest that it is the later, although don't know that for a fact. Sky use the forth tuner to download On Demand movies which I'm guessing are 'recorded' in real time.

Having the forth tuner reserved to download On Deand movies would make
sense...



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stevehodge at gmail

Sep 24, 2009, 10:03 PM

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Phill Coxon <phill [at] getresults> wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 14:11 +1000, Simon Green wrote:
>
>
> > I would suggest that it is the later, although don't know that for a
> fact. Sky use the forth tuner to download On Demand movies which I'm
> guessing are 'recorded' in real time.
>
> Having the forth tuner reserved to download On Deand movies would make
> sense...
>

And that's what the link Simon posted in the first reply to this thread
says.

Cheers,
Steve


mythtv at spides

Sep 25, 2009, 3:23 AM

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Phill Coxon wrote:
On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 16:09 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
perhaps disabled in firmware. They want you watching at least one live channel so you see the ads!
Possibly. Should really call sky and find out if there's a problem with my box. I would hope that if they had firmware limited it to recording only two channels at once it wouldn't cause the box to hardlock and require a power cycle at the wall to fix it. Grrrr.
BTW does livetv get 'recorded' like in MythTV? ie can you watch it again tomorrow?
Live TV is recorded if you hit the record button. One you hit record it's simply added to the list of available recordings that can be watched at any time until deleted. Is that what you were asking? Having live pause, rewind and fast forward is exceptionally useful with a 3 year old noise generator running around the lounge singing fairy songs very loudly.
Sorry, you made my day with that comment, I to have a generator not unlike your own and this just hit a chord that made me laugh.

Until my Daughter goes to bed I have virtually zero chance of watching and actually hearing any coherent tv program. But I still love her (and her much younger sister)

Thanks for the smile

Paul

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