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james at booths

Sep 2, 2009, 4:11 PM

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xmltv

I have both DVB-T and DVB-S cards in my Myth box, and use Freeview only. I
have been happily using EIT data, but have noted comments that some people
have made about xmltv data being superior, so I have downloaded
tv_grab_nz-py and installed it. As far as I got was having it download
channels (not all Freeview channels were listed) and running
mythfilldatabase, but on first test no cards using this source would tune.

Before I go any further, can anyone advise on what makes the xmltv data a
superior solution to just using EIT?

Cheers,

James.

simon at simongreen

Sep 3, 2009, 2:03 AM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

There are also two other possible benefits depending on the source you use:

1. Consistency of title names, so that (for example) House , 'House MD'
and 'Mouse M.D.' all appear the same, which is helpful for series linking.
2. Retrieval of IMDB or other Internet based information.

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2009/9/4 mythtv <mythtv [at] jagds>

> Superior because you have 7 days ahead of guide data, instead of 24 hours
> worth.
>
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> *Subject:* [mythtvnz] xmltv
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>
> I have both DVB-T and DVB-S cards in my Myth box, and use Freeview only. I
> have been happily using EIT data, but have noted comments that some people
> have made about xmltv data being superior, so I have downloaded
> tv_grab_nz-py and installed it. As far as I got was having it download
> channels (not all Freeview channels were listed) and running
> mythfilldatabase, but on first test no cards using this source would tune.
>
>
>
> Before I go any further, can anyone advise on what makes the xmltv data a
> superior solution to just using EIT?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> James.
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mythtv at jagds

Sep 3, 2009, 2:20 AM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

Superior because you have 7 days ahead of guide data, instead of 24 hours
worth.

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Subject: [mythtvnz] xmltv

I have both DVB-T and DVB-S cards in my Myth box, and use Freeview only. I
have been happily using EIT data, but have noted comments that some people
have made about xmltv data being superior, so I have downloaded
tv_grab_nz-py and installed it. As far as I got was having it download
channels (not all Freeview channels were listed) and running
mythfilldatabase, but on first test no cards using this source would tune.

Before I go any further, can anyone advise on what makes the xmltv data a
superior solution to just using EIT?

Cheers,

James.

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james at booths

Sep 6, 2009, 1:21 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:03:28 Simon Green wrote:
> There are also two other possible benefits depending on the source you use:
>
> 1. Consistency of title names, so that (for example) House , 'House MD'
> and 'Mouse M.D.' all appear the same, which is helpful for series linking.
> 2. Retrieval of IMDB or other Internet based information.
>
> -- simon
>
> 2009/9/4 mythtv <mythtv [at] jagds>
>
> > Superior because you have 7 days ahead of guide data, instead of 24 hours
> > worth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists [mailto:
> > mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists] *On Behalf Of *James Booth
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:12 PM
> > *To:* mythtvnz [at] lists
> > *Subject:* [mythtvnz] xmltv
> >
> >
> >
> > I have both DVB-T and DVB-S cards in my Myth box, and use Freeview only. I
> > have been happily using EIT data, but have noted comments that some people
> > have made about xmltv data being superior, so I have downloaded
> > tv_grab_nz-py and installed it. As far as I got was having it download
> > channels (not all Freeview channels were listed) and running
> > mythfilldatabase, but on first test no cards using this source would tune.
> >
> >
> >
> > Before I go any further, can anyone advise on what makes the xmltv data a
> > superior solution to just using EIT?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > James.
> >

OK, I've given xlmtv a go and can get it working fine with either DVB-S *or* DVB-T, but trying to get a single guide from xmltv working with both sources is proving a bit problematic. I have created two sources, both using tv_grab_nz-py, but one assigned to my DVB-S card and one assigned to the DVB-T card. I have scanned for channels on the respective sources and downloaded xmltv data, but I get double listings in the guide, problems tuning to some channels, and when I press the channel up/down button during LIveTV it always starts at channel 1 even if I am tuned to, say, channel 10. I'm sure I'm just missing some subtlety in the setup - any advice greatly appreciated. Something I am not clear on is how to handle having both the scanned channels and the xlmtv channles listed against each source - do I keep both and hide one set from the listings, or do I set their callsigns and channel numbers the same and list them both, or what? Thanks in advance.

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matt.poff at headfirst

Sep 6, 2009, 3:34 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On 4/09/2009, at 3:52 PM, mythtv wrote:

> Superior because you have 7 days ahead of guide data, instead of 24
> hours worth.
>

I don't think this is the case. I get 7 days ahead with EIT. I use an
XML grab for TV One because it breaks out the BBC World programming
which the EIT doesn't (although this seems to have stopped working in
recent weeks).

Cheers,
Matt

hads at nice

Sep 6, 2009, 4:11 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:34:16 Matt Poff wrote:
> I use an
> XML grab for TV One because it breaks out the BBC World programming
> which the EIT doesn't (although this seems to have stopped working in
> recent weeks).

It's still working.

Looks like some nights it's called BBC World 2009 which it won't replace. If
someone can confirm it's the same scheduling as BBC World then I can make it
so.

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ivstinivs at gmail

Sep 6, 2009, 4:14 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

>
> I don't think this is the case. I get 7 days ahead with EIT. I use an
> XML grab for TV One because it breaks out the BBC World programming
> which the EIT doesn't (although this seems to have stopped working in
> recent weeks).
How do you get a mixture of EIT and XML? I have tried this but mythtv
got confused (or I didn't set it up correctly) and periods (.) were
inserted instead of the text.

The reason I was trying to obtain a mixture of data streams was because
the data for the radio stations, particularly Radio NZ National and
Concert programmes, are/were missing in the XML grab. I would prefer
the data for these streams to be available in the XML grab, but it
(Radio programme schedule) never shows up in my channel listings after
running mythfilldatabase.

Cheers
Justin

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matt.poff at headfirst

Sep 6, 2009, 4:24 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On 7/09/2009, at 11:14 AM, Justin Hyde wrote:

>>
>> I don't think this is the case. I get 7 days ahead with EIT. I use an
>> XML grab for TV One because it breaks out the BBC World programming
>> which the EIT doesn't (although this seems to have stopped working in
>> recent weeks).
> How do you get a mixture of EIT and XML? I have tried this but mythtv
> got confused (or I didn't set it up correctly) and periods (.) were
> inserted instead of the text.

Was a while ago but I followed some instructions in an earlier thread
archive here:-

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/277594?search_string=EPG%20xmltvid;#277594

Also check out:-
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Channel_Editor

>
> The reason I was trying to obtain a mixture of data streams was
> because
> the data for the radio stations, particularly Radio NZ National and
> Concert programmes, are/were missing in the XML grab. I would prefer
> the data for these streams to be available in the XML grab, but it
> (Radio programme schedule) never shows up in my channel listings after
> running mythfilldatabase.

Now you mention it I think the advance listings for some of the radio
stations (including National and Concert) are shorter than for TV
channels. The listings are quite generic too. I haven't checked the
XML feeds for these - do they break out things like Kim Hill and This
Way Up into actual content listings?

Matt

nick.rout at gmail

Sep 6, 2009, 4:24 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Matt Poff<matt.poff [at] headfirst> wrote:
>
> On 4/09/2009, at 3:52 PM, mythtv wrote:
>
> Superior because you have 7 days ahead of guide data, instead of 24 hours
> worth.
>
>
> I don't think this is the case. I get 7 days ahead with EIT.

you will get 7 days on DVB-S EIT, you won't on DVB-T - you'll only get
next/now. The EPG on DVB-T is based on MHEG not EIT. (For furure
google hounds his comment relates to NZ Freeview only, it is not a
general comment on DVB-S/DVB-T)

> I use an XML
> grab for TV One because it breaks out the BBC World programming which the
> EIT doesn't (although this seems to have stopped working in recent weeks).

How do you get that to work, I use tv_grab_nz-py, should this work
automatically for me?

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james at booths

Sep 6, 2009, 4:28 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:14:55 Justin Hyde wrote:
> >
> > I don't think this is the case. I get 7 days ahead with EIT. I use an
> > XML grab for TV One because it breaks out the BBC World programming
> > which the EIT doesn't (although this seems to have stopped working in
> > recent weeks).
> How do you get a mixture of EIT and XML? I have tried this but mythtv
> got confused (or I didn't set it up correctly) and periods (.) were
> inserted instead of the text.
>
> The reason I was trying to obtain a mixture of data streams was because
> the data for the radio stations, particularly Radio NZ National and
> Concert programmes, are/were missing in the XML grab. I would prefer
> the data for these streams to be available in the XML grab, but it
> (Radio programme schedule) never shows up in my channel listings after
> running mythfilldatabase.
>
> Cheers
> Justin
>
>

I am also getting the above when trying to mix DVB-S and DVB-T, as per my last post.

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Sep 6, 2009, 4:29 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Justin Hyde<ivstinivs [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think this is the case. I get 7 days ahead with EIT. I use an
>> XML grab for TV One because it breaks out the BBC World programming
>> which the EIT doesn't (although this seems to have stopped working in
>> recent weeks).
> How do you get a mixture of EIT and XML? �I have tried this but mythtv
> got confused (or I didn't set it up correctly) and periods (.) were
> inserted instead of the text.
>
> The reason I was trying to obtain a mixture of data streams was because
> the data for the radio stations, particularly Radio NZ National and
> Concert programmes, are/were missing in the XML grab. �I would prefer
> the data for these streams to be available in the XML grab, but it
> (Radio programme schedule) never shows up in my channel listings after
> running mythfilldatabase.

I find mythweb best for this kind of fiddling, go into tv setup in
mythweb and there is a big table of all your channels. For those you
want EIT, tick the the appropriate box. Also in the setup for your
xmltv grabber make sure you are NOT loading the xmltv info for that
channel. In xmltv_grab_nz-py its as simle as amending the config file.
The format is obvious when you look at it, there a ! or an = in every
line, ! if you don't want the info, = if you do.

>
> Cheers
> Justin
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hads at nice

Sep 6, 2009, 4:30 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:24:41 Nick Rout wrote:
> How do you get that to work, I use tv_grab_nz-py, should this work
> automatically for me?

Yeah, it's in the data itself.

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hads at nice

Sep 6, 2009, 5:13 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:14:55 Justin Hyde wrote:
> I would prefer the data for these streams to be available in the XML grab

And it is now done.

rnz-national.freeviewnz.tv
rnz-concert.freeviewnz.tv
basefm.freeviewnz.tv
georgefm.freeviewnz.tv

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g8ecj at gilks

Sep 6, 2009, 5:59 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:14:55 Justin Hyde wrote:
>> I would prefer the data for these streams to be available in the XML
>> grab
>
> And it is now done.
>
> rnz-national.freeviewnz.tv
> rnz-concert.freeviewnz.tv
> basefm.freeviewnz.tv
> georgefm.freeviewnz.tv

Would I be right in thinking these are PIDs 1101, 1102, ????, 1104 for the
epgsnoop config file?

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hads at nice

Sep 6, 2009, 6:18 PM

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On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:59:56 Robin Gilks wrote:
> Would I be right in thinking these are PIDs 1101, 1102, ????, 1104 for the
> epgsnoop config file?

Sorry, I've added them to the bzr tree now. They are as follows;

1929|rnz-national.freeviewnz.tv|RNZ National|||

1930|rnz-concert.freeviewnz.tv|RNZ Concert|||
1935|georgefm.freeviewnz.tv|GeorgeFM|||
1936|basefm.freeviewnz.tv|BaseFM|||

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ivstinivs at gmail

Sep 7, 2009, 2:42 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

Hadley Rich wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:14:55 Justin Hyde wrote:
>
>> I would prefer the data for these streams to be available in the XML grab
>>
>
> And it is now done.
>
> rnz-national.freeviewnz.tv
> rnz-concert.freeviewnz.tv
> basefm.freeviewnz.tv
> georgefm.freeviewnz.tv
>
> hads
>
Fantastic! Thank you very much!

Just wish GeorgeFM was on DVB-T. Can you do that just as quickly? ;-)

Cheers
Justin

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nick.rout at gmail

Sep 7, 2009, 3:24 PM

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Re: xmltv [In reply to]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Justin Hyde<ivstinivs [at] gmail> wrote:
> Hadley Rich wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:14:55 Justin Hyde wrote:
>>
>>> �I would prefer the data for these streams to be available in the XML grab
>>>
>>
>> And it is now done.
>>
>> rnz-national.freeviewnz.tv
>> rnz-concert.freeviewnz.tv
>> basefm.freeviewnz.tv
>> georgefm.freeviewnz.tv
>>
>> hads
>>
> Fantastic! Thank you very much!
>
> Just wish GeorgeFM was on DVB-T. �Can you do that just as quickly? ;-)

They do stream... (and yes it will use up your monthly bandwidth allowance)

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