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mythtv at somepointinthefuture

Jul 17, 2009, 10:14 PM

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Video card for a diskless frontend?

Hi Folks,

I am looking for advice on what is desirable in a video card for a front end.

The TV I am driving is a 32" widescreen CRT, which only takes S-Video
or Composite.

The motherboard is it going on has a PCI-e16 slot.

This card will only every be a mythtv card, no gaming functionality required.

I lean heavily towards the Nvidia range, but only because that is all
I have every owned.

When looking at the card, what do I need to take into account?

Is the amount of memory on the card important for myth?

Do I need to go for DDR3 vs DDR2 memory? Does Mythtv push the card that hard?

Is there a specific generation of card that will give me something the
previous ones do not?

I am pretty clueless when it comes to video tech, I am afraid, so any
advice would be welcome.

Thanks,
Stuart.

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stevehodge at gmail

Jul 17, 2009, 10:40 PM

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Re: Video card for a diskless frontend? [In reply to]

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Stuart Whelan <
mythtv [at] somepointinthefuture> wrote:

> I am looking for advice on what is desirable in a video card for a front
> end.
>

Are you planning on doing HD? If not then pretty much anything will work -
pushing raw pixels straight to screen is trivial work for any card made in
the last 15 years. Low power nVidia cards have been popular because you can
get fanless ones. I've been happily using a GeForce 5200 for years. If
you've got integrated video then try that first - it should do the job fine.

If you want to use the video card to decode HD video (via VDPAU) then you'll
need to look more closely at which models will work. I recommend
wiki.mythtv.org as a good starting point for research.

Cheers,
Steve


criggie at criggie

Jul 17, 2009, 11:33 PM

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Re: Video card for a diskless frontend? [In reply to]

Stuart Whelan wrote:
> I am looking for advice on what is desirable in a video card for a front
> end. The TV I am driving is a 32" widescreen CRT, which only takes S-Video
> or Composite.

So you need a card that has S Video out. Many do but not all. Some
support composite via a break-out adapter generally included in the box.

Are you sure those ports work on your TV? I've seen some where the
feature is not completely implemented.

Modern TVs often have VGA or DVI or even HDMI ports. Bosses new Sony has
a 100 Mbit ethernet port!


> The motherboard is it going on has a PCI-e16 slot.

Good. AGP is dead and PCI isn't cost effective. No need to choose a
dual-port model - that feature is irrelevant (unless you want to put TV
over two screens (with a block in the middle))

> This card will only every be a mythtv card, no gaming functionality
> required. I lean heavily towards the Nvidia range, but only because that
is all I have every owned. When looking at the card, what do I need to
take into account? Is the amount of memory on the card important for
myth?

Yes and no - if doing VDPAU you need 512 MB ram. Some people claim to
have it working in 256 MB but since you're buying new, stick with the
recommended.

> Do I need to go for DDR3 vs DDR2 memory? Does Mythtv push the card that
> hard?

No - shouldn't make any difference.

> Is there a specific generation of card that will give me something the
> previous ones do not?

Yes - if you want to decode High Definition recordings, then a NVidia 9400
or higher is recommended.

If you just want standard definition (analogue) then any old card should
be fine. I was doing SD on a frontend with an intel onboard graphics
adapter fine.

Final thought is heat - there's been some discussion of substrate and
thermal issues with NVidia implementations. Either don't spend a lot, or
make sure your case cooling is up to scratch.



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Douglas.Pearless at pearless

Jul 18, 2009, 12:51 AM

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Re: Video card for a diskless frontend? [In reply to]

I use a NVIDIA 9400GT with 512MB.
Cheers
Douglas

Stuart Whelan wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am looking for advice on what is desirable in a video card for a front end.
>
> The TV I am driving is a 32" widescreen CRT, which only takes S-Video
> or Composite.
>
> The motherboard is it going on has a PCI-e16 slot.
>
> This card will only every be a mythtv card, no gaming functionality required.
>
> I lean heavily towards the Nvidia range, but only because that is all
> I have every owned.
>
> When looking at the card, what do I need to take into account?
>
> Is the amount of memory on the card important for myth?
>
> Do I need to go for DDR3 vs DDR2 memory? Does Mythtv push the card that hard?
>
> Is there a specific generation of card that will give me something the
> previous ones do not?
>
> I am pretty clueless when it comes to video tech, I am afraid, so any
> advice would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Stuart.
>
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blmiller at slingshot

Jul 19, 2009, 12:40 AM

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Re: Video card for a diskless frontend? [In reply to]

Hi Stuart

I would suggest the EN9500GT-512K with S-video VGA & DVI (VGA also) $110
from the right places.
This is available silent form so better thermal/noise management.

The 9400gt-512K is only $10 less and can not do the hardware de-interlace
x2.
Both PCI-e. & DDR2
These models are avail with DVI HDMI only ? so be careful what you
order/buy.
The silent cards are full height & wider ! Beware space/slot requirements.

The video card is sometimes the cheapest component in a PC but the most
important in a HTPC.
Too much video grute is a possible waste of power & costs money to run.
The power management of video cards is still not very effective in real
tests.

What is the model of TV ?
The CRT TV will have limited set of operating modes it will sync.
The TV may perform upscaling/pre-scaling etc.
Might need to use custom modeline entries for X.

The X server/Nvidia interface/configuration is a big weakness of Linux so
expect problems.
There are connection arrangements with dual head video cards that I have not
had success by "xorg.conf" file manipulation.

More than happy for anyone to disagree with the above..

Brett.

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mythtv at somepointinthefuture

Jul 19, 2009, 1:31 AM

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Re: Video card for a diskless frontend? [In reply to]

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Steve Hodge<stevehodge [at] gmail> wrote:
> Are you planning on doing HD? If not then pretty much anything will work -
> pushing raw pixels straight to screen is trivial work for any card made in
> the last 15 years. Low power nVidia cards have been popular because you can
> get fanless ones. I've been happily using a GeForce 5200 for years. If
> you've got integrated video then try that first - it should do the job fine.

The TV I have 'at the moment' can not do HDTV, so I am not considering
it a requirement.

There is a chance however that we may upgrade the TV, but I think I
will look at upgrading the graphics card at the same time should the
one I choose now be up to the job.

> If you want to use the video card to decode HD video (via VDPAU) then you'll
> need to look more closely at which models will work. I recommend
> wiki.mythtv.org as a good starting point for research.

I have no idea what VDPAU is, and have been avoiding reading the
discussions on it. :)

I might have do change my avoidance policy now.

Thanks the reply!
Stuart.

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mythtv at somepointinthefuture

Jul 19, 2009, 1:32 AM

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On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Criggie<criggie [at] criggie> wrote:
> Are you sure those ports work on your TV? I've seen some where the
> feature is not completely implemented.

Yep, I use the S-Video ports on the TV all the time to watch VLC
output from a vista laptop.

> Good. AGP is dead and PCI isn't cost effective. No need to choose a
> dual-port model - that feature is irrelevant (unless you want to put TV
> over two screens (with a block in the middle))

Nope just plain 'ol S-Video. I will do any maintenance on it either
over SSH, VNC or by dragging it down to the computer cave.

> Final thought is heat - there's been some discussion of substrate and
> thermal issues with NVidia implementations. Either don't spend a lot, or
> make sure your case cooling is up to scratch.
>

Good advice, thank you for the reply.
Stuart.

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mythtv at somepointinthefuture

Jul 19, 2009, 1:39 AM

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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Brett Miller<blmiller [at] slingshot> wrote:

> I would suggest the EN9500GT-512K with S-video VGA & DVI (VGA also) $110
> from the right places.
> This is available silent form so better thermal/noise management.

This sounds good to me, I am looking into it now.

> The video card is sometimes the cheapest component in a PC but the most
> important in a HTPC.
> Too much video grute is a possible waste of power & costs money to run.
> The power management of video cards is still not very effective in real
> tests.

Yes, the selection of the videocard is what I am spending most of my
time on.. The TV-Out side is new to me, the rest of the PC I can
handle no problems.

> What is the model of TV ?
> The CRT TV will have limited set of operating modes it will sync.
> The TV may perform upscaling/pre-scaling etc.
> Might need to use custom modeline entries for X.

The TV is a JVC AV-32X4BA. I did a google search on it but didn't come
up with any specs that could tell me what the operating modes are.. I
have the instruction manual but they are not listed there that I can
see. Is there a website that I missed that may list them?

Is there a procedure I can follow to find them out, maybe trying
different modes in my xorg.conf?

> The X server/Nvidia interface/configuration is a big weakness of Linux so
> expect problems.
> There are connection arrangements with dual head video cards that I have not
> had success by "xorg.conf" file manipulation.

Yes, I have run in to problems here also. I have had Mythbuntu running
through the dying 8800GT S-Video and and also the S-Video output on my
laptop.

Lots of mucking around trying to find the right resolution to drive
the TV output at, then setting X and Y offsets and sizes in MythTV. I
found the 880GT picture was very hazy/filled with scan lines (I
think), but the card is dying so it might just be that.

Thanks for the advice!
Stuart.

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nick.rout at gmail

Jul 19, 2009, 2:24 AM

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Re: Video card for a diskless frontend? [In reply to]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Brett Miller<blmiller [at] slingshot> wrote:
> Hi Stuart
>
> I would suggest the EN9500GT-512K with S-video VGA & DVI  (VGA also) $110
> from the right places.
> This is available silent form so better thermal/noise management.
>
> The 9400gt-512K is only $10 less and can not do the hardware de-interlace
> x2.
> Both PCI-e. & DDR2
> These models are avail with DVI HDMI only ? so be careful what you
> order/buy.
> The silent cards are full height & wider ! Beware space/slot requirements.
>
> The video card is sometimes the cheapest component in a PC but the most
> important in a HTPC.
> Too much video grute is a possible waste of power & costs money to run.
> The power management of video cards is still not very effective in real
> tests.
>
> What is the model of TV ?
> The CRT TV will have limited set of operating modes it will sync.
> The TV may perform upscaling/pre-scaling etc.
> Might need to use custom modeline entries for X.
>
> The X server/Nvidia interface/configuration is a big weakness of Linux so
> expect problems.


You will have the LEAST problems out any video card with an nvidia one
if you want a linux HTPC, whether running mythtv, xbmc or most other
software.

True there are some combinations that need a bit of research to get
going. Quite simply video card manufacturers are not particularly
interested in supporting legacy displays, eg CRT, s-video, composite,
and even in some cases component.

IMHO quite simply if you want a good Limux+HTPC experience, you are
best off with a decent LCD or Plasma panel with 1080p at 24/50/60 Hz,
HDMI input and an nVdia VDPAU capable card.

If you have a CRT TV and don't want/can't afford to upgrade then get
an older 5x00/6x00 nVidia card with a suitable output (composite,
s-video, component in reverse order of preference).

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tortise at paradise

Jul 19, 2009, 2:37 AM

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Whelan" <mythtv [at] somepointinthefuture>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Video card for a diskless frontend?


> The TV is a JVC AV-32X4BA.

This is almost certainly a SD CRT - which quite likely overscans. An old card which runs the older drivers - including overscan
adjustment - may well be best for this TV - unless you will not want to run a desktop at all.

Buy a fancy graphics card when you buy a HD TV - they'll be cheaper and more power efficient.

Also be aware of the varieties of S-Video - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video As has been mentioned on list S-Video is
confusing - they are not all the same or even equal.

Also consider that the advantage of S-Video over composite is minimal and not worth (IMHO) the extra cable cost or hassle.

Very likely the best quality image on your TV will come via RGB input via SCART however whether you can easily get RGB out of a
NVIDIA (or other) card I do not know, someone on list might? Testing with an older DVD with RGB out, composite and S-Video will
demonstrate the video quality differences.

> Thanks for the advice!
Hope that helps! Do let us know!


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stephen_agent at jsw

Jul 19, 2009, 3:30 AM

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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:37:45 +1200, you wrote:

>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stuart Whelan" <mythtv [at] somepointinthefuture>
>To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
>Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Video card for a diskless frontend?
>
>
>> The TV is a JVC AV-32X4BA.
>
>This is almost certainly a SD CRT - which quite likely overscans. An old card which runs the older drivers - including overscan
>adjustment - may well be best for this TV - unless you will not want to run a desktop at all.
>
>Buy a fancy graphics card when you buy a HD TV - they'll be cheaper and more power efficient.
>
>Also be aware of the varieties of S-Video - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video As has been mentioned on list S-Video is
>confusing - they are not all the same or even equal.
>
>Also consider that the advantage of S-Video over composite is minimal and not worth (IMHO) the extra cable cost or hassle.

Wrong, the image quality from S-Video is noticeably superior to
composite video. You may be thinking of component video, which is
reportedly not much different from S-Video in quality (I have not
tried that myself).

>Very likely the best quality image on your TV will come via RGB input via SCART however whether you can easily get RGB out of a
>NVIDIA (or other) card I do not know, someone on list might? Testing with an older DVD with RGB out, composite and S-Video will
>demonstrate the video quality differences.
>
>> Thanks for the advice!
>Hope that helps! Do let us know!
>
>
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stevehodge at gmail

Jul 19, 2009, 3:37 AM

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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:

> Also consider that the advantage of S-Video over composite is minimal and
> not worth (IMHO) the extra cable cost or hassle.
>

My experience is that there is a significant difference in quality between
composite and S-Video. I found it very noticeable when I was outputting to a
CRT TV.

Cheers,
Steve


tortise at paradise

Jul 19, 2009, 4:10 AM

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>> The TV is a JVC AV-32X4BA.
>
>This is almost certainly a SD CRT - which quite likely overscans. An old card which runs the older drivers - including overscan
>adjustment - may well be best for this TV - unless you will not want to run a desktop at all.
>
>Buy a fancy graphics card when you buy a HD TV - they'll be cheaper and more power efficient.
>
>Also be aware of the varieties of S-Video - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video As has been mentioned on list S-Video is
>confusing - they are not all the same or even equal.
>
>Also consider that the advantage of S-Video over composite is minimal and not worth (IMHO) the extra cable cost or hassle.

> Wrong, the image quality from S-Video is noticeably superior to
composite video. You may be thinking of component video, which is
reportedly not much different from S-Video in quality (I have not
tried that myself).

Response: I am not sure how MHO can be "wrong" but apparently it can. These references may assist:

http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/tech/video-connections.html
http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/svideo.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video

"S-Video carries standard definition video (typically at 480i or 576i resolution)" much the same as composite....
"S-Video.....it is also the poorest quality-wise, being far surpassed by the more complex component video schemes (like RGB).
S-Video is not being used for high definition standards because the carrier frequency of the colour signal modulation would have to
be adjusted."

In my limited testing of the two formats I could not see a difference. The specs do not speak of vast improvements either. Perhaps
there were hardware issues in my case. YMMV - as does others.

I would say that 720p/1080i YPbPr is "noticeably superior" to composite SD however you are unlikely to get HD out of the TV
referred.

Note RGB is an earlier incarnation of YPbPr and they are not the same.

I think this highlights that individual user kit and testing and opinion will be important!

If you can get a good reference source for all three then you will be well placed to make your own mind up which you prefer and
whether the TV actually offers anything better over the better formats than it does via composite!


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stephen_agent at jsw

Jul 19, 2009, 5:03 AM

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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:10:06 +1200, you wrote:

>>> The TV is a JVC AV-32X4BA.
>>
>>This is almost certainly a SD CRT - which quite likely overscans. An old card which runs the older drivers - including overscan
>>adjustment - may well be best for this TV - unless you will not want to run a desktop at all.
>>
>>Buy a fancy graphics card when you buy a HD TV - they'll be cheaper and more power efficient.
>>
>>Also be aware of the varieties of S-Video - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video As has been mentioned on list S-Video is
>>confusing - they are not all the same or even equal.
>>
>>Also consider that the advantage of S-Video over composite is minimal and not worth (IMHO) the extra cable cost or hassle.
>
>> Wrong, the image quality from S-Video is noticeably superior to
>composite video. You may be thinking of component video, which is
>reportedly not much different from S-Video in quality (I have not
>tried that myself).
>
>Response: I am not sure how MHO can be "wrong" but apparently it can. These references may assist:
>
>http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/tech/video-connections.html
>http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/svideo.html
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_video
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video
>
>"S-Video carries standard definition video (typically at 480i or 576i resolution)" much the same as composite....
>"S-Video.....it is also the poorest quality-wise, being far surpassed by the more complex component video schemes (like RGB).
>S-Video is not being used for high definition standards because the carrier frequency of the colour signal modulation would have to
>be adjusted."
>
>In my limited testing of the two formats I could not see a difference. The specs do not speak of vast improvements either. Perhaps
>there were hardware issues in my case. YMMV - as does others.
>
>I would say that 720p/1080i YPbPr is "noticeably superior" to composite SD however you are unlikely to get HD out of the TV
>referred.
>
>Note RGB is an earlier incarnation of YPbPr and they are not the same.
>
>I think this highlights that individual user kit and testing and opinion will be important!
>
>If you can get a good reference source for all three then you will be well placed to make your own mind up which you prefer and
>whether the TV actually offers anything better over the better formats than it does via composite!

I am speaking from personal experience with S-Video and S-VHS. I have
tried using composite video and S-Video out of my S-VHS VCR into my
old SD CRT TV, using both VHS and S-VHS tapes recorded off the air and
pre-recorded VHS tapes. The results of using the S-Video output in
all cases made a visibly better result than using composite video.

The sources you are citing above agree with me.

The difference is not "vast", but I find it quite sufficiently
noticeable that I have always bought S-VHS VCRs for myself, until HD
came along.

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stevehodge at gmail

Jul 19, 2009, 7:25 AM

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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Tortise <tortise [at] paradise> wrote:

> Response: I am not sure how MHO can be "wrong" but apparently it can.
> These references may assist:
>

Those references don't support your position.

http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/tech/video-connections.html
> http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/svideo.html


From that page: "...it reduces things like color bleeding and dot crawl and
greatly increases the general clarity and sharpness of the picture. ... The
increase in picture quality that you'll get in platform games (like the PS2)
when you move from composite (yellow-plug) to S-Video is very noticeable and
is well worth spending the extra money to buy the optional cable. "


> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_video
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video
>
> "S-Video carries standard definition video (typically at 480i or 576i
> resolution)" much the same as composite...."


Yes, the resolution is the same, but that doesn't make the quality the same.
After all component video is the same resolution as well.

"S-Video.....it is also the poorest quality-wise, being far surpassed by the
> more complex component video schemes (like RGB)...."
>

That's simply out of context. The full quote was "S-Video is sometimes
considered a type of component video signal; however, it is also the poorest
quality-wise, being far surpassed by the more complex component video
schemes".
They were comparing S-Video to other component signals, not to composite. In
fact the previous sentence in that article is the relevant one: "This means
that S-Video leaves more information from the original video intact; thus,
it offers an improved image reproduction compared to composite video."

Here's another reference:
http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/VideoConnectors/VideoConnectors.asp
"In a nutshell, if your display device can support it, a component or RGB
video connection will give you the best possible image from DVD. An S-Video
connection is not far behind in quality. A composite connection, however,
will result in a perfectly acceptable, but less than optimal result from
your DVD player."

My TV's manual agrees:
"DVI-D, D-Sub, Full SCART > Component > S-Video > Composite, Half SCART"
Though I found the difference between DVD-D and "D-Sub" (VGA RGB) quite
noticeable on that TV. On my LCD monitor DVI-D and VGA RGB are
indistinguishable.

In my limited testing of the two formats I could not see a difference.


You may have had a poor source or a very good composite connection.
Typically the difference is glaringly obvious, especially on computer
outputs. Even if the difference was insignificant with video it's likely to
be obvious in the MythTV menus.

The specs do not speak of vast improvements either.


Yes, they do. The separation of chrominance from luminance is a vast
improvement. Note that it's also the difference between composite and
component (in it's usual TV use YPrPb incarnation).

Cheers,
Steve


blmiller at slingshot

Jul 19, 2009, 4:30 PM

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Stuart,

I was incorrect in listing S-video output on the En9500GT or En9400GT.
The analogue outputs are component & VGA; no S-video.

Your first problem is newer video cards do not have S-video outputs.
Decide if full HD on screen is necessary/worth it.
Use the HD datastream and downscale to S-video to your TV.
Will still look okay.

I think the max. data rate with S-video is 576i50 or 480i60 so not HD
It can still work well.
I still use S-video from SD-DVD player because the TV upscaler is way better
than DVD player component output or HTPC playback at 1080i.
I have not attempted to optimize the Linux SD DVD playback upscaling because
I don't yet know what to try.

An adaptor/converter from VGA to S-video should be straightforward.
Would require careful VGA modeline setup.
May need to careful consider cost and 'time-to-trash' vs benefit factor of
any adaptor/converter.
The very latest flat panel TVs are just as good (IMHO very subjective) as
CRTs and the price will drop with time.

Note:
VGA is 'just' analogue RGB+Hsync+Vsync (5 signal lines) ignoring EDID etc
etc
Component has couple formats using 3 signal lines YPbPr, sync contained in
one?
Component only exists to not use Vesa VGA connector and/or standard and to
use nasty consumer cables with RCA jacks at over inflated prices.
Component is inferior to VGA. but so what..
S-video has colour (chroma) & brightness (lum) separated sync on lumience
SCART can contain RGB (no separate sync), S-video & composite sync on one
off S-video signal lines
Most SCART gear uses composite only and it is a connector system with nasty
implementation.

Brett.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Whelan" <mythtv [at] somepointinthefuture>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Video card for a diskless frontend?


> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Brett Miller<blmiller [at] slingshot>
> wrote:
>
>> I would suggest the EN9500GT-512K with S-video VGA & DVI (VGA also) $110
>> from the right places.
>> This is available silent form so better thermal/noise management.
>
> This sounds good to me, I am looking into it now.
>
>> The video card is sometimes the cheapest component in a PC but the most
>> important in a HTPC.
>> Too much video grute is a possible waste of power & costs money to run.
>> The power management of video cards is still not very effective in real
>> tests.
>
> Yes, the selection of the videocard is what I am spending most of my
> time on.. The TV-Out side is new to me, the rest of the PC I can
> handle no problems.
>
>> What is the model of TV ?
>> The CRT TV will have limited set of operating modes it will sync.
>> The TV may perform upscaling/pre-scaling etc.
>> Might need to use custom modeline entries for X.
>
> The TV is a JVC AV-32X4BA. I did a google search on it but didn't come
> up with any specs that could tell me what the operating modes are.. I
> have the instruction manual but they are not listed there that I can
> see. Is there a website that I missed that may list them?
>
> Is there a procedure I can follow to find them out, maybe trying
> different modes in my xorg.conf?
>
>> The X server/Nvidia interface/configuration is a big weakness of Linux so
>> expect problems.
>> There are connection arrangements with dual head video cards that I have
>> not
>> had success by "xorg.conf" file manipulation.
>
> Yes, I have run in to problems here also. I have had Mythbuntu running
> through the dying 8800GT S-Video and and also the S-Video output on my
> laptop.
>
> Lots of mucking around trying to find the right resolution to drive
> the TV output at, then setting X and Y offsets and sizes in MythTV. I
> found the 880GT picture was very hazy/filled with scan lines (I
> think), but the card is dying so it might just be that.
>
> Thanks for the advice!
> Stuart.
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Jul 19, 2009, 5:40 PM

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Re: Video card for a diskless frontend? [In reply to]

My experience with Myth has been with an ATI video card. AMD do have a drive set for these. I would certainly be looking for a card that had an HDMI output.

I use ATI as it is the onboard card for my ga-ma78gm-s2h motherboard and works perfectly or at least used to. Recently rebuilt myth after a short frustrating trip down the windows 7 MC and media portal path. Re-installed myth, deployred ATI driver set but got slow torn video. Tunred out need the xorg-x11-drv-fglrx driver installed.

Otherwise ATI is fine.

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From: mythtvnz-bounces [at] lists on behalf of Stuart Whelan
Sent: Sun 19/07/2009 8:31 p.m.
To: MythTV in NZ
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Video card for a diskless frontend?



On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Steve Hodge<stevehodge [at] gmail> wrote:
> Are you planning on doing HD? If not then pretty much anything will work -
> pushing raw pixels straight to screen is trivial work for any card made in
> the last 15 years. Low power nVidia cards have been popular because you can
> get fanless ones. I've been happily using a GeForce 5200 for years. If
> you've got integrated video then try that first - it should do the job fine.

The TV I have 'at the moment' can not do HDTV, so I am not considering
it a requirement.

There is a chance however that we may upgrade the TV, but I think I
will look at upgrading the graphics card at the same time should the
one I choose now be up to the job.

> If you want to use the video card to decode HD video (via VDPAU) then you'll
> need to look more closely at which models will work. I recommend
> wiki.mythtv.org as a good starting point for research.

I have no idea what VDPAU is, and have been avoiding reading the
discussions on it. :)

I might have do change my avoidance policy now.

Thanks the reply!
Stuart.

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Jul 19, 2009, 6:06 PM

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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Tortise<tortise [at] paradise> wrote:

>> The TV is a JVC AV-32X4BA.

> This is almost certainly a SD CRT - which quite likely overscans. An old card which runs the older drivers - including overscan
> adjustment - may well be best for this TV - unless you will not want to run a desktop at all.

I am not sure what the practical ramifications of having a new card
with an overscaning TV are?

What problems/issues/challenges am I likely to have if I get a 9500
with S-Video TV out connected to my JVC?

Thanks again!
Stuart.

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