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lists at whitehouse

May 2, 2009, 6:25 PM

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Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD

Hello,

Two questions:
1) The new ffmpeg-mt, as I understand it, only works if the H.264 is
encoded in slices. Is FreeviewHD recorded in slices?
2) Is anyone decoding FreeviewHD in software and, if so, what CPU do you
have? I am trying to get a gauge on minimum CPU requirements. I'm
trying to decide whether, with the ffmpeg-mt branch, I could get away
with a decent dual-core, or whether I would need at least three.

Please don't reply with a hundred emails telling me to use VDPAU on
nVidia! I don't use proprietary drivers unless I'm backed into a corner.

Regards,

Aaron

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steven at openmedia

May 2, 2009, 8:20 PM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

On 3/05/2009, at 1:25 PM, Aaron Whitehouse wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Two questions:
> 1) The new ffmpeg-mt, as I understand it, only works if the H.264 is
> encoded in slices. Is FreeviewHD recorded in slices?
> 2) Is anyone decoding FreeviewHD in software and, if so, what CPU do
> you
> have? I am trying to get a gauge on minimum CPU requirements. I'm
> trying to decide whether, with the ffmpeg-mt branch, I could get away
> with a decent dual-core, or whether I would need at least three.

I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't
reliable with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding
a CPU where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed

>
>
> Please don't reply with a hundred emails telling me to use VDPAU on
> nVidia! I don't use proprietary drivers unless I'm backed into a
> corner.

I'm afraid I recommend VDPAU.

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Aaron
>
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lists at whitehouse

May 24, 2009, 2:42 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

Thanks for all the help, everyone.

Steven Ellis wrote:

> I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't reliable
> with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
> where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed

So are you running pretty close to 100% on playback with nothing else?

If I bought myself a Phenom triple-core, say:
http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_12842.html
would that handle it better? Is the stream encoded in enough "slices"
(or whatever) that an extra core would make a substantial difference?

I don't think the fans in my machine change speed anyway (and are quiet
enough that it isn't too much of an issue).

It would be nice to go for the 65 Watt TDP 6000+ rather than the 95 Watt
TDP Phenom, but having a spare core as headroom would be a huge bonus if
I am pretty sure that I will be tying up 100% of two of them. There
isn't a huge price difference between the 6000+ and the triple-core
Phenom (although, for normal non-multimedia desktop use, I read a review
that said the 6000+ was better).

Thanks again,

Aaron

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alan.p at orcon

May 24, 2009, 2:48 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

At 09:42 p.m. 24/05/2009, you wrote:
> > I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't reliable
> > with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
> > where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed
>So are you running pretty close to 100% on playback with nothing else?

I wouldn't mind seeing HD in person one day. As it stands (having only seen
SD tv) I don't have any expectation as to quality, except...

The way people carry on about it, I imagine it as being something like the
old days, where people used to think 40MB realmedia files were A-OK for
transmitting 20minute anime episodes, and then 230MB DiVX files came along.

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jyavenard at gmail

May 24, 2009, 3:19 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

Hi

2009/5/24 Aaron Whitehouse <lists [at] whitehouse>:
> If I bought myself a Phenom triple-core, say:
> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_12842.html
> would that handle it better?  Is the stream encoded in enough "slices"
> (or whatever) that an extra core would make a substantial difference?

No it won't.

At this stage, ffmpeg used by mythtv doesn't use more than one core
for any h264 decoding.
multi-threading decoding in ffmpeg is still in its infancy and isn't
in the core code. You need to get it from a different branch
(ffmpeg-mt)

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tortise at paradise

May 24, 2009, 3:33 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

I have an Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 SLB9K (E0) 3166 MHz 6 MB 1333 MT/s 9.5x 0.85 - 1.3625 V 65 W LGA775 plays TV3 HD on VLC on its own
with some spare headroom, about 70% as I recall. Interestingly it keeps swapping cores when playing according to System Resources.
No VDPAU used here but using ...sorry...NVIDIA 8500GT. Its produces the best HD I've run up so far, but then I am a VDPAU beginner
so that may yet be superior.
If someone can point me to a URL on how to run up a VDPAU version of mplayer that's compatible with JYA's mythbuntu I'll test TV3 HD
on an AMD single core 2400 with VDPAU! Currently it errors saying too many video packets in the buffer.
Kind regards
David


----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Whitehouse" <lists [at] whitehouse>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


Thanks for all the help, everyone.

Steven Ellis wrote:

> I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't reliable
> with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
> where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed

So are you running pretty close to 100% on playback with nothing else?

If I bought myself a Phenom triple-core, say:
http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_12842.html
would that handle it better? Is the stream encoded in enough "slices"
(or whatever) that an extra core would make a substantial difference?

I don't think the fans in my machine change speed anyway (and are quiet
enough that it isn't too much of an issue).

It would be nice to go for the 65 Watt TDP 6000+ rather than the 95 Watt
TDP Phenom, but having a spare core as headroom would be a huge bonus if
I am pretty sure that I will be tying up 100% of two of them. There
isn't a huge price difference between the 6000+ and the triple-core
Phenom (although, for normal non-multimedia desktop use, I read a review
that said the 6000+ was better).

Thanks again,

Aaron

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tortise at paradise

May 24, 2009, 4:03 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

Actually maybe I have it?
In Synaptic I have mplayer
2:1.0-svn29317-x264-vdpau-0ubuntu3
I just updated and it seems that is the current JYA version.
If so it is not preserving CPU, it maxes out at 100%....

I have also just added, as per JYA earlier tonight, the

# Default to VDPAU output and codecs
vo=vdpau,xv,
vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,

into the named directory ~/.mplayer/config and I now get the error of
FATAL: Could not initialise video filter (-vf) or video output (-vo)

The file is now:

# Write your default config options here!

# Default to VDPAU output and codecs
vo=vdpau,xv,
vc=ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,

David

If someone can point me to a URL on how to run up a VDPAU version of mplayer that's compatible with JYA's mythbuntu I'll test TV3 HD
on an AMD single core 2400 with VDPAU! Currently it errors saying too many video packets in the buffer.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Whitehouse" <lists [at] whitehouse>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


Thanks for all the help, everyone.

Steven Ellis wrote:

> I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't reliable
> with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
> where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed

So are you running pretty close to 100% on playback with nothing else?

If I bought myself a Phenom triple-core, say:
http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_12842.html
would that handle it better? Is the stream encoded in enough "slices"
(or whatever) that an extra core would make a substantial difference?

I don't think the fans in my machine change speed anyway (and are quiet
enough that it isn't too much of an issue).

It would be nice to go for the 65 Watt TDP 6000+ rather than the 95 Watt
TDP Phenom, but having a spare core as headroom would be a huge bonus if
I am pretty sure that I will be tying up 100% of two of them. There
isn't a huge price difference between the 6000+ and the triple-core
Phenom (although, for normal non-multimedia desktop use, I read a review
that said the 6000+ was better).

Thanks again,

Aaron

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jyavenard at gmail

May 24, 2009, 4:45 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

Hi

2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> into the named directory ~/.mplayer/config and I now get the error of
> FATAL: Could not initialise video filter (-vf) or video output (-vo)

Usually, this error shows up when the nvidia vdpau library version
does not match the version of the video drivers.

You will get more information when you run directly the command line:

mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau file_to_play

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tortise at paradise

May 24, 2009, 4:54 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

JYA
Textual output is at http://pastebin.com/m1594a9b2
I stopped it by Ctrl C to ensure I did not loose the beginning....
Does that help?
D

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To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


Hi

2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> into the named directory ~/.mplayer/config and I now get the error of
> FATAL: Could not initialise video filter (-vf) or video output (-vo)

Usually, this error shows up when the nvidia vdpau library version
does not match the version of the video drivers.

You will get more information when you run directly the command line:

mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau file_to_play

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May 24, 2009, 5:03 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> JYA
> Textual output is at http://pastebin.com/m1594a9b2
> I stopped it by Ctrl C to ensure I did not loose the beginning....
> Does that help?

There's no playback error here other that initial corruption in the stream...
I'm guessing the file played properly there.

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steven at openmedia

May 24, 2009, 5:22 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

On 24/05/2009, at 9:42 PM, Aaron Whitehouse wrote:

> Thanks for all the help, everyone.
>
> Steven Ellis wrote:
>
>> I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't
>> reliable
>> with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
>> where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed
>
> So are you running pretty close to 100% on playback with nothing else?
>
> If I bought myself a Phenom triple-core, say:
> http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_12842.html
> would that handle it better? Is the stream encoded in enough "slices"
> (or whatever) that an extra core would make a substantial difference?
>
> I don't think the fans in my machine change speed anyway (and are
> quiet
> enough that it isn't too much of an issue).
>
> It would be nice to go for the 65 Watt TDP 6000+ rather than the 95
> Watt
> TDP Phenom, but having a spare core as headroom would be a huge
> bonus if
> I am pretty sure that I will be tying up 100% of two of them. There
> isn't a huge price difference between the 6000+ and the triple-core
> Phenom (although, for normal non-multimedia desktop use, I read a
> review
> that said the 6000+ was better).
>
>

Sorry it isn't slice based.

You either need ffmpeg-mt or the fastest MHZ cpu you can get as all
decoding is on a single core.

Or HW acceleration like VDPAU.


Steven Ellis - Technical Director
OpenMedia Limited
email - steven [at] openmedia
website - http://www.openmedia.co.nz


tortise at paradise

May 24, 2009, 5:32 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

Seemed jerky slow and definitely full of tearing however using that start command this time did use vdpau as CPU use jumped from 10%
to only ~30% and not 100%
A shorter file is at http://216.234.181.139/myth/TV3Test1.ts
How does that run for you?
Regards
David


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From: "Jean-Yves Avenard" <jyavenard [at] gmail>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> JYA
> Textual output is at http://pastebin.com/m1594a9b2
> I stopped it by Ctrl C to ensure I did not loose the beginning....
> Does that help?

There's no playback error here other that initial corruption in the stream...
I'm guessing the file played properly there.

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tortise at paradise

May 24, 2009, 5:44 AM

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Re: Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD [In reply to]

Actually have played that file on something that plays it now.

I confirm it definitely was nothing (read nothing!) like the real thing!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tortise" <tortise [at] paradise>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


Seemed jerky slow and definitely full of tearing however using that start command this time did use vdpau as CPU use jumped from 10%
to only ~30% and not 100%
A shorter file is at http://216.234.181.139/myth/TV3Test1.ts
How does that run for you?
Regards
David


----- Original Message -----
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To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> JYA
> Textual output is at http://pastebin.com/m1594a9b2
> I stopped it by Ctrl C to ensure I did not loose the beginning....
> Does that help?

There's no playback error here other that initial corruption in the stream...
I'm guessing the file played properly there.

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May 24, 2009, 5:47 AM

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2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> Actually have played that file on something that plays it now.
>
> I confirm it definitely was nothing (read nothing!) like the real thing!

What does that mean? what's a "real thing" ?

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tortise at paradise

May 24, 2009, 1:30 PM

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The "real thing" refers to what should have been seen and as was subsequently seen on VLC (on a different pc that plays TV3 HD.)

My first description of what the 2400 played was a little vague ("Seemed jerky slow and definitely full of tearing") as I had not
seen what the clip should have played like which made it hard to be dogmatic. Having seen it played properly it is quite exciting
and quite different indeed unrecognisable as the same video.

I just took a random 10 second stream from a HDHomerun, so did not see it played at the time. Turns out it is pretty wild and
probably a good test of video!

Therefore in response to your "I'm guessing the file played properly there." I confirm it definitely did not.

Did it play properly for you in mplayer?


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2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> Actually have played that file on something that plays it now.
>
> I confirm it definitely was nothing (read nothing!) like the real thing!

What does that mean? what's a "real thing" ?

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tortise at paradise

May 26, 2009, 4:51 AM

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Would someone mind confirming if this 10 second TV3 file plays normally using mplayer running with vdpau?
http://216.234.181.139/myth/TV3Test1.ts


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tortise" <tortise [at] paradise>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


Seemed jerky slow and definitely full of tearing however using that start command this time did use vdpau as CPU use jumped from 10%
to only ~30% and not 100%
A shorter file is at http://216.234.181.139/myth/TV3Test1.ts
How does that run for you?
Regards
David


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean-Yves Avenard" <jyavenard [at] gmail>
To: "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz [at] lists>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Minimum CPU for FreeviewHD


2009/5/24 Tortise <tortise [at] paradise>:
> JYA
> Textual output is at http://pastebin.com/m1594a9b2
> I stopped it by Ctrl C to ensure I did not loose the beginning....
> Does that help?

There's no playback error here other that initial corruption in the stream...
I'm guessing the file played properly there.

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steven at openmedia

May 26, 2009, 1:52 PM

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On Tue, May 26, 2009 11:51 pm, Tortise wrote:
> Would someone mind confirming if this 10 second TV3 file plays normally
> using mplayer running with vdpau?
> http://216.234.181.139/myth/TV3Test1.ts
>

Played your sample under mplayer with VDPAU support with no issues.

Also tried with mythfrontend and I always get the message
"Error was encountered while displaying video"

I didn't load it up into the recorded videos area, I simply treated it
like a Video file.

Steve

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May 26, 2009, 5:13 PM

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Hi

2009/5/27 Steven Ellis <steven [at] openmedia>:
> Played your sample under mplayer with VDPAU support with no issues.

audio and video aren't in sync , audio finishes almost half way before
the video completes

>
> Also tried with mythfrontend and I always get the message
> "Error was encountered while displaying video"

Video plays in mythfrontend, showing similar patterns as found before.
little squares around some edges

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steven at openmedia

May 26, 2009, 5:35 PM

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On Wed, May 27, 2009 12:13 pm, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote:
> Hi
>
> 2009/5/27 Steven Ellis <steven [at] openmedia>:
>> Played your sample under mplayer with VDPAU support with no issues.
>
> audio and video aren't in sync , audio finishes almost half way before
> the video completes

That will happen until the stream syncs. Its 1080i H.264 so usually
confuses mplayer.

>>
>> Also tried with mythfrontend and I always get the message
>> "Error was encountered while displaying video"
>
> Video plays in mythfrontend, showing similar patterns as found before.
> little squares around some edges

How did you set it up to test it. I tried using the Videos are and setting
a playback profile for .ts files but it didn't work.


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jyavenard at gmail

May 26, 2009, 5:38 PM

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Hi

2009/5/27 Steven Ellis <steven [at] openmedia>:
> How did you set it up to test it. I tried using the Videos are and setting
> a playback profile for .ts files but it didn't work.

I copied it into the folder used by mythvideo then when into the Videos menu.

Alternatively you can run mythtv on it directly ; something like

mythtv /path/videos/TV3Test1.ts

will work just the same.

The first 2s are all corrupted as it's missing some reference frames,
but after that it plays

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tortise at paradise

May 27, 2009, 2:20 AM

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Gents

Thank you for checking that out. It seems the file is adequate to test VDPAU with, all be it with some initial issue.

I've updated. Issues occur as reported earlier.

If there is anything else I can do to progress this please let me know.



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Hi

2009/5/27 Steven Ellis <steven [at] openmedia>:
> Played your sample under mplayer with VDPAU support with no issues.

audio and video aren't in sync , audio finishes almost half way before
the video completes

>
> Also tried with mythfrontend and I always get the message
> "Error was encountered while displaying video"

Video plays in mythfrontend, showing similar patterns as found before.
little squares around some edges

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tortise at paradise

May 27, 2009, 5:13 AM

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Thanks for this JYA

Using the command line format of

mythtv /path/videos/TV3Test1.ts

does get me some progress...

A different TV3 clip will play for me well - and then crashes at some random point. CPU ~60-70%, with audio.

A TV1 clip segfaults straight away.

A C4 file plays with cpu 100% (!) and stop start video / audio... (!)

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lists at whitehouse

Feb 26, 2010, 3:16 PM

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Hello again,

Steven Ellis wrote:
> I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't reliable
> with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
> where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed

Geoff wrote:
> I'm using CPU only on 2 machines, both with Nova T-500's
> 1st is a Core2 e7200 (2.54Ghz)
> 2nd is a Core e8400 (3.0Ghz)
> I thought I could get away with having the loop filter on for TV1 on
> the 3Ghz box, but just isn't quite enough depending on the bit rate of
> the stream that coming in. It's fine with it off.

I noticed that we now have quite a few Athlon II x2s available in NZ,
which are based on the Phenom II core. My understanding is that these
have significant performance improvements over the Athlon Is.

My hope is that, if an Athlon I 3GHz could nearly play 1080i TV3, some
of the new Athlon IIs would be able to play it properly. Steven, I
assume that you had the loop filter off to get it to work anywhere near
okay?

If you look at some of the benchmarks, the new 3GHz Athlon IIs do look
better:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=96&p2=28&c=1

I was originally considering the 240e, but the 255 seems to have a lower
idle power (it is slightly higher on full), obviously has .3 GHz more
power and seems cheaper than the energy-efficient chips (only the 235e
is available here anyway):
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=114&p2=121&c=1

Does anybody out there have one of the new Athlon IIs? It would be great
to know if the 240, 250 or 255 can handle TV3.

Also, what's the current status of FreeviewHD playback in 0.22, as in
Mythbuntu 9.10? As far I can see from the samples, they work fine, but
my CPU isn't good enough -- I thought I read something on here though
about a patch that still needs to go upstream.

Finally, does anybody know if any of the ffmpeg-mt patches have made it
into ffmpeg mainline? There doesn't seem to be any information available
except for the Git summary, which I'm not very good at reading. As far
as I can tell, only a very small amount of the decoding needs to be
multithreaded for it to work.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Aaron

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stephen_agent at jsw

Feb 26, 2010, 3:45 PM

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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:16:33 +1300, you wrote:

>Hello again,
>
>Steven Ellis wrote:
>> I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't reliable
>> with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
>> where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed
>
>Geoff wrote:
> > I'm using CPU only on 2 machines, both with Nova T-500's
> > 1st is a Core2 e7200 (2.54Ghz)
> > 2nd is a Core e8400 (3.0Ghz)
> > I thought I could get away with having the loop filter on for TV1 on
> > the 3Ghz box, but just isn't quite enough depending on the bit rate of
> > the stream that coming in. It's fine with it off.
>
>I noticed that we now have quite a few Athlon II x2s available in NZ,
>which are based on the Phenom II core. My understanding is that these
>have significant performance improvements over the Athlon Is.
>
>My hope is that, if an Athlon I 3GHz could nearly play 1080i TV3, some
>of the new Athlon IIs would be able to play it properly. Steven, I
>assume that you had the loop filter off to get it to work anywhere near
>okay?
>
>If you look at some of the benchmarks, the new 3GHz Athlon IIs do look
>better:
>http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=96&p2=28&c=1
>
>I was originally considering the 240e, but the 255 seems to have a lower
>idle power (it is slightly higher on full), obviously has .3 GHz more
>power and seems cheaper than the energy-efficient chips (only the 235e
>is available here anyway):
>http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=114&p2=121&c=1
>
>Does anybody out there have one of the new Athlon IIs? It would be great
>to know if the 240, 250 or 255 can handle TV3.
>
>Also, what's the current status of FreeviewHD playback in 0.22, as in
>Mythbuntu 9.10? As far I can see from the samples, they work fine, but
>my CPU isn't good enough -- I thought I read something on here though
>about a patch that still needs to go upstream.
>
>Finally, does anybody know if any of the ffmpeg-mt patches have made it
>into ffmpeg mainline? There doesn't seem to be any information available
>except for the Git summary, which I'm not very good at reading. As far
>as I can tell, only a very small amount of the decoding needs to be
>multithreaded for it to work.
>
>Thanks in advance for your help,
>
>Aaron

I would think that everyone out there who is actually playing TV3 will
be using VDPAU on an Nvidia GPU. I am unsure as to why you would not
want to do that too - it is the obvious solution, and works well. The
GPU does not seem to be working too hard doing it, and the CPU
certainly is not, so the PC can run reasonably cool and not waste too
much electricity. All we know about playing TV3 with CPU only is that
it does not work with a 3 GHz CPU when last tested. We do not know
how much more CPU is needed. There are some clues that the TV3 files
may have very high performance peaks, as I understand that they can
not be played across a 100 Mbit ethernet connection reliably - the
required bit rate peaks above 100 Mbit and they stutter at times. I
have no problems playing them over my gigabit ethernet connections.

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nick.rout at gmail

Feb 26, 2010, 4:13 PM

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On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Stephen Worthington
<stephen_agent [at] jsw> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:16:33 +1300, you wrote:
>
>>Hello again,
>>
>>Steven Ellis wrote:
>>> I've got HD playback working on an Athlon X2 6000+ but it isn't reliable
>>> with occasional issues on TV3. The biggest problem is finding a CPU
>>> where you don't end up with your fan running at full speed
>>
>>Geoff wrote:
>> > I'm using CPU only on 2 machines, both with Nova T-500's
>> > 1st is a Core2 e7200 (2.54Ghz)
>> > 2nd is a Core e8400 (3.0Ghz)
>> > I thought I could get away with having the loop filter on for TV1 on
>> > the 3Ghz box, but just isn't quite enough depending on the bit rate of
>> > the stream that coming in. It's fine with it off.
>>
>>I noticed that we now have quite a few Athlon II x2s available in NZ,
>>which are based on the Phenom II core. My understanding is that these
>>have significant performance improvements over the Athlon Is.
>>
>>My hope is that, if an Athlon I 3GHz could nearly play 1080i TV3, some
>>of the new Athlon IIs would be able to play it properly. Steven, I
>>assume that you had the loop filter off to get it to work anywhere near
>>okay?
>>
>>If you look at some of the benchmarks, the new 3GHz Athlon IIs do look
>>better:
>>http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=96&p2=28&c=1
>>
>>I was originally considering the 240e, but the 255 seems to have a lower
>>idle power (it is slightly higher on full), obviously has .3 GHz more
>>power and seems cheaper than the energy-efficient chips (only the 235e
>>is available here anyway):
>>http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=114&p2=121&c=1
>>
>>Does anybody out there have one of the new Athlon IIs? It would be great
>>to know if the 240, 250 or 255 can handle TV3.
>>
>>Also, what's the current status of FreeviewHD playback in 0.22, as in
>>Mythbuntu 9.10? As far I can see from the samples, they work fine, but
>>my CPU isn't good enough -- I thought I read something on here though
>>about a patch that still needs to go upstream.
>>
>>Finally, does anybody know if any of the ffmpeg-mt patches have made it
>>into ffmpeg mainline? There doesn't seem to be any information available
>>except for the Git summary, which I'm not very good at reading. As far
>>as I can tell, only a very small amount of the decoding needs to be
>>multithreaded for it to work.
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your help,
>>
>>Aaron
>
> I would think that everyone out there who is actually playing TV3 will
> be using VDPAU on an Nvidia GPU.  I am unsure as to why you would not
> want to do that too - it is the obvious solution, and works well.  The
> GPU does not seem to be working too hard doing it, and the CPU
> certainly is not, so the PC can run reasonably cool and not waste too
> much electricity.  All we know about playing TV3 with CPU only is that
> it does not work with a 3 GHz CPU when last tested.  We do not know
> how much more CPU is needed.

I agree, it seems pointless adding more and more cpu power when a gpu
does it so much more efficiently, and everyone says what a wonderful
picture you get with the vdpau deinterlacers too.

Definite change in emphasis on the mythtv users mailing list when
people ask for frontend hardware recommendations now - boards like the
revo and zotac ion make it easy to achieve high quality playback with
low power consumption and low noise factor.

I have also come to the conclusion that a separate beackend is the way to go.

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