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amphibem at gmail

Jun 30, 2008, 1:30 AM

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EPG-only mapping

Hey like many others here I am hanging out for full DVB-T support in
MythTV, I am currently using MediaPortal so as to get digital TV as all
the patching required for Myth NZ DVB-T is beyond me.

However my point is there is a particular feature of MediaPortal I would
like to see in Myth (AFAIK it isn't), EPG-only mapping. An explanation
is on the MediaPortal wiki,
<http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/Country_Specific_Informations/NewZealand/SkyEPG>
basically it means a DVB-S card by be mapped to source for only the
guide data, myth will not try and record off the -S card. This has
multiple uses; getting Sky data (or even just Prime data for analogue
reception) off the Sky satellite or getting Freeview guide data from
DVB-S (which has an 8 day guide rather than the Now/Next on DVB-T)
whilst actually using DVB-T for HD channels. As you can see this would
be pretty handy, particularly until myth can read the MHEG stream on DVB-T.

So does anyone know if this feature is available, or has been looked?
Could it be 'hacked 'in, or could someone in the NZ community look at
adding the feature official myth? Should this be taken up with higher
authorities (i.e. the main myth list)? I would love to have this feature
when I go back to myth to provide a reliable alternative to xmlTVNZ
(nothing against Reven he does a great job, but he relies on the TV
websites and lack of attention from authorities), what do you guys think?

Andrew

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lists at whitehouse

Jun 30, 2008, 1:53 AM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

Andrew,

Could you use http://nice.net.nz/epgsnoop/ ?

Aaron

2008/6/30 Andrew Richards <amphibem [at] gmail>:
> Hey like many others here I am hanging out for full DVB-T support in
> MythTV, I am currently using MediaPortal so as to get digital TV as all
> the patching required for Myth NZ DVB-T is beyond me.
>
> However my point is there is a particular feature of MediaPortal I would
> like to see in Myth (AFAIK it isn't), EPG-only mapping. An explanation
> is on the MediaPortal wiki,
> <http://wiki.team-mediaportal.com/Country_Specific_Informations/NewZealand/SkyEPG>
> basically it means a DVB-S card by be mapped to source for only the
> guide data, myth will not try and record off the -S card. This has
> multiple uses; getting Sky data (or even just Prime data for analogue
> reception) off the Sky satellite or getting Freeview guide data from
> DVB-S (which has an 8 day guide rather than the Now/Next on DVB-T)
> whilst actually using DVB-T for HD channels. As you can see this would
> be pretty handy, particularly until myth can read the MHEG stream on DVB-T.
>
> So does anyone know if this feature is available, or has been looked?
> Could it be 'hacked 'in, or could someone in the NZ community look at
> adding the feature official myth? Should this be taken up with higher
> authorities (i.e. the main myth list)? I would love to have this feature
> when I go back to myth to provide a reliable alternative to xmlTVNZ
> (nothing against Reven he does a great job, but he relies on the TV
> websites and lack of attention from authorities), what do you guys think?
>
> Andrew
>
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lists at whitehouse

Jun 30, 2008, 2:00 AM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

At this point, I shall reiterate my hatred of "reply to list" lists.

The downside of the normal setting (I am on a lot of lists) is that
*occasionally* somebody who intended to email the list emails the
individual and one of them forwards it to the list. Most users cope
with clicking "Reply All". The downside of the "Reply to list" setting
is that non-list emails end up on the list annoying the sender,
recipient and every single list member that did not want to read a
message that was intended for an individual. It also can result in
personal emails being permanently archived.

</rant>

Regards,

Aaron

2008/6/30 Aaron Whitehouse <lists [at] whitehouse>:
> Andrew,
>
> Could you use http://nice.net.nz/epgsnoop/ ?
>
> Aaron

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stevehodge at gmail

Jun 30, 2008, 4:17 AM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Aaron Whitehouse <lists [at] whitehouse>
wrote:

> At this point, I shall reiterate my hatred of "reply to list" lists.
>
> The downside of the normal setting (I am on a lot of lists) is that
> *occasionally* somebody who intended to email the list emails the
> individual and one of them forwards it to the list. Most users cope
> with clicking "Reply All". The downside of the "Reply to list" setting
> is that non-list emails end up on the list annoying the sender,
> recipient and every single list member that did not want to read a
> message that was intended for an individual. It also can result in
> personal emails being permanently archived.
>

I, on the other hand, prefer the reply to be directed to the list by
default. Most of replys go to the list so it is less work for me to change
the ones I don't want going to the list than the ones I do want going to the
list.

As for the original question, you can do want you want by using epgsnoop and
leaving the card out of mythtv setup.

Cheers,
Steve

hads at nice

Jun 30, 2008, 4:26 AM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

On Monday 30 June 2008 23:17:12 Steve Hodge wrote:
> I, on the other hand, prefer the reply to be directed to the list by
> default. Most of replys go to the list so it is less work for me to change
> the ones I don't want going to the list than the ones I do want going to
> the list.

I agree. It also has the benefit of keeping discussions on the list where they
can be archived and as such of use to others in the future.

> As for the original question, you can do want you want by using epgsnoop
> and leaving the card out of mythtv setup.

Yeah. There's no fancy UI to do it from within myth but myth certainly has the
capability to do it. Pick the xmltvid you want for the channel and you're good
to go.

Relying on website scraping isn't a great idea these days when there's much
better alternatives easily available to everyone.

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nick.rout at gmail

Jun 30, 2008, 5:57 AM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

Why wouldn't you want that going to the list?

Besides I like reply to list and its my list so if you don't like it
I'll take my ball^h^h^h^h mailman and go home :-)

Seriously I am always open to other people's ideas about list
management, but this is one thing unlikely to change. I am on some
other lists where it is quite clear that important answers are missing
the list (and therefore the community and the searchable archive)
because answers are going straight to the original poster. Reply to
list is (IMNSHO) a far lesser evil than that!

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Aaron Whitehouse
<lists [at] whitehouse> wrote:
> At this point, I shall reiterate my hatred of "reply to list" lists.
>
> The downside of the normal setting (I am on a lot of lists) is that
> *occasionally* somebody who intended to email the list emails the
> individual and one of them forwards it to the list. Most users cope
> with clicking "Reply All". The downside of the "Reply to list" setting
> is that non-list emails end up on the list annoying the sender,
> recipient and every single list member that did not want to read a
> message that was intended for an individual. It also can result in
> personal emails being permanently archived.
>
> </rant>
>
> Regards,
>
> Aaron
>
> 2008/6/30 Aaron Whitehouse <lists [at] whitehouse>:
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Could you use http://nice.net.nz/epgsnoop/ ?
>>
>> Aaron
>
>
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amphibem at gmail

Jun 30, 2008, 12:43 PM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

OK thanks for the suggestion guys, sounds good. I don't have a myth
system to play with at the moment but I assume epgsnoop basically pulls
the data off the sat and puts it into a xml file for mythfilldatabase
to use?

If so I agree that is best, gets the setup of this out of myth and
allows perfect flexibility. Appreciate all your help, not really sure
how this got so off topic but oh well. I will tackle this at some stage
when I come back to myth.

Cheers all

Hadley Rich wrote:
> On Monday 30 June 2008 23:17:12 Steve Hodge wrote:
>
>> I, on the other hand, prefer the reply to be directed to the list by
>> default. Most of replys go to the list so it is less work for me to change
>> the ones I don't want going to the list than the ones I do want going to
>> the list.
>>
>
> I agree. It also has the benefit of keeping discussions on the list where they
> can be archived and as such of use to others in the future.
>
>
>> As for the original question, you can do want you want by using epgsnoop
>> and leaving the card out of mythtv setup.
>>
>
> Yeah. There's no fancy UI to do it from within myth but myth certainly has the
> capability to do it. Pick the xmltvid you want for the channel and you're good
> to go.
>
> Relying on website scraping isn't a great idea these days when there's much
> better alternatives easily available to everyone.
>
> hads
>

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nick.rout at gmail

Jun 30, 2008, 1:05 PM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Andrew Richards <amphibem [at] gmail> wrote:
> OK thanks for the suggestion guys, sounds good. I don't have a myth
> system to play with at the moment but I assume epgsnoop basically pulls
> the data off the sat and puts it into a xml file for mythfilldatabase
> to use?

Yes and massages the data somewhat, fixing common problems and
improving the data.

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dean at deanpemberton

Jun 30, 2008, 2:34 PM

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Re: EPG-only mapping [In reply to]

Andrew Richards wrote:
> So does anyone know if this feature is available, or has been looked?
>
As other people have already mentioned, epgsnoop is the way to go here.

I have a wrapper around this which drags the EPG data off the sky and
freeview transponders, splits it into individual files per channel, then
rebuilds custom xml files per Mythtv source. These files are then
loaded into mythtv by Mythfilldatabase.

This allows me to choose to have the sky data for some freeview channels
and vis-versa.
More than happy to let people play with my ugly Perl if anyone is
interested.

Dean

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