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ken.dixon at clear

Nov 9, 2007, 8:49 PM

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Test DVB-T in Wellington up

Rumor has it that the DVB-T signal is testing in Wellington:
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=34&TopicId=17036
I don't have a terrestrial tuner yet, but a friend of mine
confirms audio but cant get video going yet.

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steven at openmedia

Nov 10, 2007, 2:10 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

Kenneth Dixon wrote:
> Rumor has it that the DVB-T signal is testing in Wellington:
> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=34&TopicId=17036
> I don't have a terrestrial tuner yet, but a friend of mine
> confirms audio but cant get video going yet.
>
>
Managed to get hold of a tvone h264 stream. Specs don't match their
announcements as it is 1080i25 rather than 720p50 so I have feeling they
are just trialling a lot of different encoding rates.

I do have a problem playing the stream as my builds of mplayer and vlc
don't like it due to PAFF interlacing. Currently using MPlayer 1.0RC2.

Anyone on list had any better luck making a PAFF compliant build of mplayer?

Steve

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nick.rout at gmail

Nov 10, 2007, 3:07 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

steven at openmedia

Nov 10, 2007, 5:31 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

Nick Rout wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2007 11:10 AM, Steven Ellis <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Kenneth Dixon wrote:
>>
>>> Rumor has it that the DVB-T signal is testing in Wellington:
>>> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=34&TopicId=17036
>>> I don't have a terrestrial tuner yet, but a friend of mine
>>> confirms audio but cant get video going yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Managed to get hold of a tvone h264 stream. Specs don't match their
>> announcements as it is 1080i25 rather than 720p50 so I have feeling they
>> are just trialling a lot of different encoding rates.
>>
>> I do have a problem playing the stream as my builds of mplayer and vlc
>> don't like it due to PAFF interlacing. Currently using MPlayer 1.0RC2.
>>
>> Anyone on list had any better luck making a PAFF compliant build of mplayer?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
> No but I did start a thread on mplayer-users mailing list a week or do back.
>
> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2007-October/069615.html
>
> The short answer was svn. (I was decoding a sample from a UK station).
>
>
Thanks Nick. Yeah saw your thread. Just doing an SVN build now

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steven at openmedia

Nov 10, 2007, 6:08 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

Steven Ellis wrote:
> Nick Rout wrote:
>
>> On Nov 11, 2007 11:10 AM, Steven Ellis <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Kenneth Dixon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rumor has it that the DVB-T signal is testing in Wellington:
>>>> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=34&TopicId=17036
>>>> I don't have a terrestrial tuner yet, but a friend of mine
>>>> confirms audio but cant get video going yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Managed to get hold of a tvone h264 stream. Specs don't match their
>>> announcements as it is 1080i25 rather than 720p50 so I have feeling they
>>> are just trialling a lot of different encoding rates.
>>>
>>> I do have a problem playing the stream as my builds of mplayer and vlc
>>> don't like it due to PAFF interlacing. Currently using MPlayer 1.0RC2.
>>>
>>> Anyone on list had any better luck making a PAFF compliant build of mplayer?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>> No but I did start a thread on mplayer-users mailing list a week or do back.
>>
>> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2007-October/069615.html
>>
>> The short answer was svn. (I was decoding a sample from a UK station).
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks Nick. Yeah saw your thread. Just doing an SVN build now
>
>
Ok using todays SVN I can get a valid frame and then MPlayer crashes.
Might upload the file for the ffmpeg/mplayer devs to take a look at.

Steve

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lennon at orcon

Nov 11, 2007, 12:44 AM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Ellis" <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz>
To: <ken.dixon[at]clear.net.nz>; "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz[at]lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:10 AM
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> Kenneth Dixon wrote:
>> Rumor has it that the DVB-T signal is testing in Wellington:
>> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=34&TopicId=17036
>> I don't have a terrestrial tuner yet, but a friend of mine
>> confirms audio but cant get video going yet.

Anyone know if they are broadcasting anything in Auckland yet?

Thanks

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steven at openmedia

Nov 11, 2007, 2:23 AM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

Craig Whitmore wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Ellis" <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz>
> To: <ken.dixon[at]clear.net.nz>; "MythTV in NZ" <mythtvnz[at]lists.linuxnut.co.nz>
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [mythtvnz] Test DVB-T in Wellington up
>
>
>
>> Kenneth Dixon wrote:
>>
>>> Rumor has it that the DVB-T signal is testing in Wellington:
>>> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=34&TopicId=17036
>>> I don't have a terrestrial tuner yet, but a friend of mine
>>> confirms audio but cant get video going yet.
>>>
>
> Anyone know if they are broadcasting anything in Auckland yet?
>
>
At the moment nothing (official) planned until January

Steve

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nick.rout at gmail

Nov 19, 2007, 12:08 AM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

On Nov 11, 2007 11:10 AM, Steven Ellis <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz> wrote:
> Kenneth Dixon wrote:
> > Rumor has it that the DVB-T signal is testing in Wellington:
> > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=34&TopicId=17036
> > I don't have a terrestrial tuner yet, but a friend of mine
> > confirms audio but cant get video going yet.
> >
> >
> Managed to get hold of a tvone h264 stream. Specs don't match their
> announcements as it is 1080i25 rather than 720p50 so I have feeling they
> are just trialling a lot of different encoding rates.
>
> I do have a problem playing the stream as my builds of mplayer and vlc
> don't like it due to PAFF interlacing. Currently using MPlayer 1.0RC2.
>
> Anyone on list had any better luck making a PAFF compliant build of mplayer?
>
> Steve
>

yes, and it is kinda decoding a test BBC stream that I have. if
someone wants to make available a NZ stream, i am happy to test that.

I finally got my sabayon (a type of gentoo derivative) to compile a
mplayer-svn today. The stream i was decoding (from BBC) is 1920x1080
and my computer doesn't really have the guts to decode it, BUT mplayer
has now got rid of the PAFF interlacing errors which precluded any
decoding at all.

So now I get a very jerky looking playback, with the right approx 1/4
of the picture in pink, and after a while I get;

h264 @ 0x8808430]Interlaced pictures + spatial direct mode is not implemented

for many lines, although decoding and display continues (such as it is).

Oh and no sound comes out, complains that there is no audio, although
ffmpeg (not svn) thinks there is.

As I say, if someone wants to send me a NZ test file I will test it
with mplayer svn.

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lennon at orcon

Nov 19, 2007, 12:23 AM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

>
> yes, and it is kinda decoding a test BBC stream that I have. if
> someone wants to make available a NZ stream, i am happy to test that.
>
> I finally got my sabayon (a type of gentoo derivative) to compile a
> mplayer-svn today. The stream i was decoding (from BBC) is 1920x1080
> and my computer doesn't really have the guts to decode it, BUT mplayer
> has now got rid of the PAFF interlacing errors which precluded any
> decoding at all.
>
> So now I get a very jerky looking playback, with the right approx 1/4
> of the picture in pink, and after a while I get;
>
> h264 @ 0x8808430]Interlaced pictures + spatial direct mode is not
> implemented
>
> for many lines, although decoding and display continues (such as it is).
>

If someone has a dump of the DVB-T stream please let me know so I can play
with it on myside in getting it decoded/playing properly. Size doesn't
matter....

Thanks

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myth at netdaemon

Nov 19, 2007, 2:28 AM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

At 09:23 p.m. 19/11/2007, you wrote:
>If someone has a dump of the DVB-T stream please let me know so I can play
>with it on myside in getting it decoded/playing properly. Size doesn't
>matter....
>
>Thanks

I'm uploading 3 clips (one of each of the streams) to my site
now. They should all be up in about 25 minutes. Be warned that
latest cvs/svn builds of mplayer, xine, and ffmpeg cannot handle them
yet. They are however decoded fine by both PowerDVD & CoreAVC under
Windows so I believe my captures were fine.

http://delicious.3hams.net/dvbt/

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myth at netdaemon

Nov 19, 2007, 2:46 AM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

On 11/19/07, Craig Whitmore <lennon[at]orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>
> If someone has a dump of the DVB-T stream please let me know so I can play
> with it on myside in getting it decoded/playing properly. Size doesn't
> matter....
>
> Thanks

It appears my mailserver is disliked by the list server, oh well. Second try.

I'm uploading 3 clips (one of each of the streams) to my site now.
The last one should be finishing its upload in a few minutes. Be
warned that latest cvs/svn builds of mplayer, xine, and ffmpeg cannot
handle them yet. They are however decoded fine by both PowerDVD &
CoreAVC under Windows so I believe my captures were fine.

http://delicious.3hams.net/dvbt/

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steven at openmedia

Nov 19, 2007, 12:18 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

Tim Boobyer wrote:
> At 09:23 p.m. 19/11/2007, you wrote:
>
>> If someone has a dump of the DVB-T stream please let me know so I can play
>> with it on myside in getting it decoded/playing properly. Size doesn't
>> matter....
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> I'm uploading 3 clips (one of each of the streams) to my site
> now. They should all be up in about 25 minutes. Be warned that
> latest cvs/svn builds of mplayer, xine, and ffmpeg cannot handle them
> yet. They are however decoded fine by both PowerDVD & CoreAVC under
> Windows so I believe my captures were fine.
>
> http://delicious.3hams.net/dvbt/
>

Tim - Many Thanks..

I was able to get a frame to decode using MPlayer straight off SVN as it
has the required PAFF support.

I'll try and write up my tests and dump some images out later today.

Are any of the streams running 720p at this stage as thats what TVNZ are
planning on going live with.

Steve

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dean at deanpemberton

Nov 19, 2007, 1:05 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

VLC (atleast on osx) seems to hate it.
I get a black screen the right size but it just stays black (and no audio).
I'll have another play later.

Dean
> Tim - Many Thanks..
>
> I was able to get a frame to decode using MPlayer straight off SVN as it
> has the required PAFF support.
>
> I'll try and write up my tests and dump some images out later today.
>
> Are any of the streams running 720p at this stage as thats what TVNZ are
> planning on going live with.
>
> Steve
>
>

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steven at openmedia

Nov 19, 2007, 2:14 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

On Tue, November 20, 2007 9:18 am, Steven Ellis wrote:
> Tim Boobyer wrote:
>> At 09:23 p.m. 19/11/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>> If someone has a dump of the DVB-T stream please let me know so I can
>>> play
>>> with it on myside in getting it decoded/playing properly. Size doesn't
>>> matter....
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>> I'm uploading 3 clips (one of each of the streams) to my site
>> now. They should all be up in about 25 minutes. Be warned that
>> latest cvs/svn builds of mplayer, xine, and ffmpeg cannot handle them
>> yet. They are however decoded fine by both PowerDVD & CoreAVC under
>> Windows so I believe my captures were fine.
>>
>> http://delicious.3hams.net/dvbt/
>>
>
> Tim - Many Thanks..
>
> I was able to get a frame to decode using MPlayer straight off SVN as it
> has the required PAFF support.
>
> I'll try and write up my tests and dump some images out later today.
>
> Are any of the streams running 720p at this stage as thats what TVNZ are
> planning on going live with.

Here are some screen shots taken with MPlayer dev-SVN-r25017-4.1.3 built a
couple of days ago.

I get a frame and then mplayer crashes

http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip1-sd.png
http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip2-SD.png
http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/hidef-HD.png

I also have an additional HD TVNZ stream.

http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/tvone-HD.png

Now the 1080i streams are a little odd as they are native 1:1 1920x1080i
whilst in Europe they tend to transmit 16:9 flagged 1440x1080i.

Also I've heard that at the moment the test streams are actually being
generated on a PC rather than using the production encoders.

Steve

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nick.rout at gmail

Nov 19, 2007, 8:06 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

On Nov 20, 2007 11:14 AM, Steven Ellis <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz> wrote:

> Here are some screen shots taken with MPlayer dev-SVN-r25017-4.1.3 built a
> couple of days ago.
>
> I get a frame and then mplayer crashes
>
> http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip1-sd.png
> http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip2-SD.png
> http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/hidef-HD.png
>
> I also have an additional HD TVNZ stream.
>
> http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/tvone-HD.png
>
> Now the 1080i streams are a little odd as they are native 1:1 1920x1080i
> whilst in Europe they tend to transmit 16:9 flagged 1440x1080i.
>
> Also I've heard that at the moment the test streams are actually being
> generated on a PC rather than using the production encoders.
>
> Steve

Whats the audio supposed to be? I get a feeling I left something out
when i compiled mythtv.

>

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myth at netdaemon

Nov 19, 2007, 8:12 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

At 05:06 p.m. 20/11/2007, you wrote:
>On Nov 20, 2007 11:14 AM, Steven Ellis <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Here are some screen shots taken with MPlayer dev-SVN-r25017-4.1.3 built a
> > couple of days ago.
> >
> > I get a frame and then mplayer crashes
> >
> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip1-sd.png
> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip2-SD.png
> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/hidef-HD.png
> >
> > I also have an additional HD TVNZ stream.
> >
> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/tvone-HD.png
> >
> > Now the 1080i streams are a little odd as they are native 1:1 1920x1080i
> > whilst in Europe they tend to transmit 16:9 flagged 1440x1080i.
> >
> > Also I've heard that at the moment the test streams are actually being
> > generated on a PC rather than using the production encoders.
> >
> > Steve
>
>Whats the audio supposed to be? I get a feeling I left something out
>when i compiled mythtv.

Clip1: Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]
Clip2: Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]
HD Clip: Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 192Kbps [Audio]

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steven at openmedia

Nov 19, 2007, 8:34 PM

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Re: Test DVB-T in Wellington up [In reply to]

On Tue, November 20, 2007 5:12 pm, Tim Boobyer wrote:
> At 05:06 p.m. 20/11/2007, you wrote:
>>On Nov 20, 2007 11:14 AM, Steven Ellis <steven[at]openmedia.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> > Here are some screen shots taken with MPlayer dev-SVN-r25017-4.1.3
>> built a
>> > couple of days ago.
>> >
>> > I get a frame and then mplayer crashes
>> >
>> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip1-sd.png
>> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/clip2-SD.png
>> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/hidef-HD.png
>> >
>> > I also have an additional HD TVNZ stream.
>> >
>> > http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/images/h264/tvone-HD.png
>> >
>> > Now the 1080i streams are a little odd as they are native 1:1
>> 1920x1080i
>> > whilst in Europe they tend to transmit 16:9 flagged 1440x1080i.
>> >
>> > Also I've heard that at the moment the test streams are actually being
>> > generated on a PC rather than using the production encoders.
>> >
>> > Steve
>>
>>Whats the audio supposed to be? I get a feeling I left something out
>>when i compiled mythtv.
>
> Clip1: Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]
> Clip2: Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]
> HD Clip: Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 192Kbps [Audio]
>

>From the mplayer output for clip1 it appears to be standard MP2 audio

Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3
dec_audio: Allocating 4608 + 65536 = 70144 bytes for output buffer.
mp3lib: using 3DNow!Ex optimized decore!
MP3lib: init layer2&3 finished, tables done
^MMPEG 1.0, Layer II, 48000 Hz 256 kbit Stereo, BPF: 768
Channels: 2, copyright: No, original: No, CRC: Yes, emphasis: 0
AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 256.0 kbit/16.67% (ratio: 32000->192000)
Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)

The HD clip actually only has 192K stereo whilst the SD clips have 256K
stereo.

Steve

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