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technix at writeme

Dec 11, 2002, 8:20 PM

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Help please!

I have never used linux before in my life, I would like to create a new pc exlusively for myth tv and pvr for my television system

What would you recommend for the best idea system to have it used only for this and using a remote control with the entertainment system

I am on a budget so I need to keep cost low

Thank you for all your help

Derrick


technix at writeme

Dec 11, 2002, 10:13 PM

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Re: Help please! [In reply to]

John,

Thank you for the links and the time to reply. I am looking over the information provided. Again thank you

Derrick

----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtv] Help please!


Hi Derrick,

Fellow "newbie" here. I've asked similar questions and here's what I've garnered...

1) Seems like the most preferred / common systems out here are the AMD systems such as the Athlon 2000+. Powerful & inexpensive. If you've got an older PC that needs more horsepower, you can get an Athlon 2000+ w/heatsink & fan, Motherboard, and 256mb RAM from googlegear.com (or tigerdirect.com) from around $175. With it, I believe you'll be able to install two tuners and have picture in picture and record one show while watching another. Wouldn't start out with that though - get one working first. ;-)

2) All kinds of video tuner cards work. I just bought a Matrox G200 TV because it has hardware MJPEG encoding which should allow my PIII-800 to do the job. If not, I'll upgrade to an AMD setup above. There's a list at: http://www.goldfish.org/~mcooper/pvrhw/stats.html which lists all the various configs that people have used with MythTV. It will give you an idea of what some of your choices are.

3) As you probably know, Linux comes in many "flavors" or "distributions" (distos). Mandrake is recommended as a great distro of Linux for beginners. I've d/l their ISO's (CD images) and read the docs and it's VERY well written. Answers all the basic questions and much more. People have advised me to download and play with Mandrake and get familiar with it before jumping into the MythTV application. Makes sense.

4) The current "official" version of MythTV is .7. There's a CVS (read this as compile all the development code yourself) version that is the true "latest" but not for beginners, and a .8 version is on the horizon - due this month if all goes well I guess. The biggest difference with .8 will be splitting the encoding and decoding pieces into a "front end" and "back end". Both of these processes can be done on the same box, or on different boxes. This will allow slower (I guess read "sub-1ghz") boxes to handle each chore.

5) The remote control portion works like this: The remote itself can be almost any infrared or universal remote with 4 arrow keys and keys to use as Enter and Esc, etc. The infrared "receiver" can either be purchased for around 35 bucks(?) or you can build it yourself with about $13 worth of parts from Radio Shack. It seems quite simple to solder up and I'm going to put one together shortly and actually buy a Tivo remote control from their online web site ($29) because I've had one before and like its ergonomics. If your existing entertainment system has a remote it may work fine. Go to http://www.lirc.org/ for more info.

6) There's a member on this list who's working on putting together a "MythTV on a CD" distribution. It will work like this: You'll download the image, burn a CD and then boot that up on your PC. It will load a version of Linux with all the MythTV s/w all configured and ready-to-run! Advantage is obviously you can be running in minutes without knowing much about what's going on. Disadvantage is that it "may" be difficult to customize for your own hardware - especially if it strays from whatever is on the CD. I used a SuSE CD like this when first checking out Linux a while back and it worked great. We'll see when he has it ready, but there's a lot of interest in this option.

Guess that's about it. Like I say, I'm new to it too, but hey, we all start somewhere right?

Good luck, and thanks again to all the guys who put in so much hard work to make MythTV available!

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Derrick Rademaker
To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: [mythtv] Help please!


I have never used linux before in my life, I would like to create a new pc exlusively for myth tv and pvr for my television system

What would you recommend for the best idea system to have it used only for this and using a remote control with the entertainment system

I am on a budget so I need to keep cost low

Thank you for all your help

Derrick


technix at writeme

Dec 12, 2002, 12:43 AM

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Re: Help please! [In reply to]

So then this system here would be addiquate for a system

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?sku=s45
1-3032

and then add a tv in card?
and 120gb seagate barracuda

Do you recommend anything else

Derrick


> Note that all the above is just my opinion - and I'd stick it in a Shuttle
> Online microPC, probably the SK41G
> (http://www.shuttleonline.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=155) (btw, anyone done
this
> on a Redhat/Debian system? How'd it work?) and you can have the whole
> system in a small, fairly quiet box for $700.


technix at writeme

Dec 12, 2002, 9:57 AM

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Re: Help please! [In reply to]

If I am using it only for the purpose of vdr why do i need a dvd? the video
out that is included isnt good enough of an out that I could get a decent
inexpensive video in card? then when that is set up get another decent video
in card to have pip and record 2 shows simultaneous?




----- Original Message -----
From: "Johann Klemmack" <klemmack[at]earthlink.net>
To: <mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:26 AM
Subject: RE: [mythtv] Help please!


> I would recommend against the SS40 unless price is a big thing. For $50
> more, you can get the SS41G, which is MUCH quieter (in google, type in
> "ss40g review noise" and most anything you come across will mention it),
has
> better performance, *AND* has an AGP slot (the SS40 does *not* - it has 2
> PCI). There are still a lot of PCI graphics cards out there, but I know
> nothing of them and would stay away unless you're really strapped for
cash.
> As for the noise, the BIOS on the SS40 has a software controlled fan,
MythTV
> would keep the CPU temp up no matter what the processor is, so the fan
would
> be roaring.
>
> Other than that, system seems fine - except don't forget a DVD drive and
> proper video card. Some people go with an ATi All-In-Wonder or the Matrox
> G200/G450(?) which are graphics cards with a built-in tuner. Unless you
> like mucking around with drivers, though, I'd say play it safe and get an
> nVidia card with S-video out and a WinTV card. Unfortunately, that will
> fill up the 2 slots they have in the SS40g/SK41g computer.
>
> Of course, if money is no object (hahahah) you can get the brand spanking
> new SN41G2 from shuttle, with a build-in dual head nVidia GeForce4 MX
> built-in, and an nForce based mobo. So new you can't get it yet... oh
well.
>
> If you're willing to have a mini-tower sitting by your entertainment
center
> (painted a nice matte black of course), you could save $50-100 on a
> case-mobo-proc barebones depending on where you shop and have more room to
> expand.
>
> Just remember that if you can compress using MJPEG you'll be running
> 1.5G/hour of harddrive. A 80GB, 75 after system install still gives you
50
> hours of recording space and thats more than enough for me.
>
> Lastly, if you do go with a Shuttle mini-system, save yourself $10 and get
> an OEM processor - the Shuttle systems have a built-in CPU cooler that
> you'll want to keep.
>
> Good luck and e-mail me with what system you end up going with!
>
> Johann
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-dev-admin[at]snowman.net
> > [mailto:mythtv-dev-admin[at]snowman.net]On Behalf Of Derrick Rademaker
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:44 AM
> > To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv] Help please!
> >
> >
> > So then this system here would be addiquate for a system
> >
> > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.a
> > sp?sku=s45
> > 1-3032
> >
> > and then add a tv in card?
> > and 120gb seagate barracuda
> >
> > Do you recommend anything else
> >
> > Derrick
> >
> >
> > > Note that all the above is just my opinion - and I'd stick it
> > in a Shuttle
> > > Online microPC, probably the SK41G
> > > (http://www.shuttleonline.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=155) (btw, anyone done
> > this
> > > on a Redhat/Debian system? How'd it work?) and you can have the whole
> > > system in a small, fairly quiet box for $700.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mythtv-dev mailing list
> > mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> > http://www.snowman.net/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-dev mailing list
> mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> http://www.snowman.net/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev


johnmythtv at crombe

Jan 11, 2003, 9:41 PM

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Re: Help please! [In reply to]

Hi Derrick,

Fellow "newbie" here. I've asked similar questions and here's what I've garnered...

1) Seems like the most preferred / common systems out here are the AMD systems such as the Athlon 2000+. Powerful & inexpensive. If you've got an older PC that needs more horsepower, you can get an Athlon 2000+ w/heatsink & fan, Motherboard, and 256mb RAM from googlegear.com (or tigerdirect.com) from around $175. With it, I believe you'll be able to install two tuners and have picture in picture and record one show while watching another. Wouldn't start out with that though - get one working first. ;-)

2) All kinds of video tuner cards work. I just bought a Matrox G200 TV because it has hardware MJPEG encoding which should allow my PIII-800 to do the job. If not, I'll upgrade to an AMD setup above. There's a list at: http://www.goldfish.org/~mcooper/pvrhw/stats.html which lists all the various configs that people have used with MythTV. It will give you an idea of what some of your choices are.

3) As you probably know, Linux comes in many "flavors" or "distributions" (distos). Mandrake is recommended as a great distro of Linux for beginners. I've d/l their ISO's (CD images) and read the docs and it's VERY well written. Answers all the basic questions and much more. People have advised me to download and play with Mandrake and get familiar with it before jumping into the MythTV application. Makes sense.

4) The current "official" version of MythTV is .7. There's a CVS (read this as compile all the development code yourself) version that is the true "latest" but not for beginners, and a .8 version is on the horizon - due this month if all goes well I guess. The biggest difference with .8 will be splitting the encoding and decoding pieces into a "front end" and "back end". Both of these processes can be done on the same box, or on different boxes. This will allow slower (I guess read "sub-1ghz") boxes to handle each chore.

5) The remote control portion works like this: The remote itself can be almost any infrared or universal remote with 4 arrow keys and keys to use as Enter and Esc, etc. The infrared "receiver" can either be purchased for around 35 bucks(?) or you can build it yourself with about $13 worth of parts from Radio Shack. It seems quite simple to solder up and I'm going to put one together shortly and actually buy a Tivo remote control from their online web site ($29) because I've had one before and like its ergonomics. If your existing entertainment system has a remote it may work fine. Go to http://www.lirc.org/ for more info.

6) There's a member on this list who's working on putting together a "MythTV on a CD" distribution. It will work like this: You'll download the image, burn a CD and then boot that up on your PC. It will load a version of Linux with all the MythTV s/w all configured and ready-to-run! Advantage is obviously you can be running in minutes without knowing much about what's going on. Disadvantage is that it "may" be difficult to customize for your own hardware - especially if it strays from whatever is on the CD. I used a SuSE CD like this when first checking out Linux a while back and it worked great. We'll see when he has it ready, but there's a lot of interest in this option.

Guess that's about it. Like I say, I'm new to it too, but hey, we all start somewhere right?

Good luck, and thanks again to all the guys who put in so much hard work to make MythTV available!

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Derrick Rademaker
To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: [mythtv] Help please!


I have never used linux before in my life, I would like to create a new pc exlusively for myth tv and pvr for my television system

What would you recommend for the best idea system to have it used only for this and using a remote control with the entertainment system

I am on a budget so I need to keep cost low

Thank you for all your help

Derrick


hpoley at dds

Jan 12, 2003, 7:18 AM

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> Van: Johann Klemmack <klemmack[at]earthlink.net>
>
> Overall, onboard audio (CMI8738) chips and the Sound Blaster Live! cards
> have had good quality. AMD processors in the >= 1700+ range give you
great
> performance for the best price. Since you're using it as your exclusive
TV
> setup, then you'll want a beefier proc than most b/c you'll want to
> encode-decode at a higher resolution.

You are giving some strange tips here...

Onboard sound it good nowadays, but that's mostly with playback line-in
gives noisyness (don't know about the chipset you mentioned). The SB Live!
cards can give you a great deal op problems (look a bit around on the web
and you'll see). I'd still go for a TV tuner card with digital audio (ex:
SAA-7134 based). Seems to be a bit of a trouble to get btaudio (the digital
audio driver) to work.

If you have a standalone system you WON'T need a super duper proc, since it
won't occure that you're running other programs AND recording at the same
time. btw, the AMD 1700 is indeed a good system to start with, I guess.
Having some spare CPU cycles so you could use a 'heftier' video codec later
might be nice.

> Note that all the above is just my opinion - and I'd stick it in a
Shuttle
> Online microPC, probably the SK41G
> (http://www.shuttleonline.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=155) (btw, anyone done
this
> on a Redhat/Debian system? How'd it work?) and you can have the whole
> system in a small, fairly quiet box for $700.

Shuttles are nice, though the early ones were noisier than the later (AGP)
incarnations, due to CPU-cooler + fan instead of heatpipe. They are a bit
expensive though, in my opinion. But that's something you'll have to weigh
for yourself. If you use a Shuttle, also use a recent Linux distribution,
else it might not support the motherboard. Also heard that the onboard
sound (esp. line-in) isn't really that great. But a tv-card with digital
sound will "fix" that.

> Of course, you could start small like I did - I got a new HD and TV card
> first, tried it out on my desktop box, then bought the rest when I knew I
> could get the system to wrok and could afford it.

Going that path too.


hpoley at dds

Jan 12, 2003, 8:59 AM

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> Van: Johann Klemmack <klemmack[at]earthlink.net>
>
> I would recommend against the SS40 unless price is a big thing. For $50
> more, you can get the SS41G, which is MUCH quieter [..]
> better performance, *AND* has an AGP slot (the SS40 does *not* - it has 2
> PCI). There are still a lot of PCI graphics cards out there, but I know
> nothing of them and would stay away unless you're really strapped for
cash.

All the Shuttle XPCs have quite decent built-in video-out. It will work,
when you use a new kernel (aka use a new distro if you're a newby).

Henk Poley <><


rac at racarris

Jan 12, 2003, 8:34 PM

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FWIW, I just ordered from mwave.com

Asus Nforce MB $69
Athlon 1700+ $59
256MB DDR $50
Inwin Desktop case $43
Shipping $26

So, under for ~$200, I bought the parts to upgrade my old K6 400 into a
nice Myth box. I already have the drives and TV tuner.

-RAC


Derrick Rademaker wrote:

>So then this system here would be addiquate for a system
>
>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?sku=s45
>1-3032
>
>and then add a tv in card?
>and 120gb seagate barracuda
>
>Do you recommend anything else
>
>Derrick
>
>
>
>
>>Note that all the above is just my opinion - and I'd stick it in a Shuttle
>>Online microPC, probably the SK41G
>>(http://www.shuttleonline.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=155) (btw, anyone done
>>
>>
>this
>
>
>>on a Redhat/Debian system? How'd it work?) and you can have the whole
>>system in a small, fairly quiet box for $700.
>>
>>
>
>
>


klemmack at earthlink

Jan 12, 2003, 9:48 PM

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Derrick,
First, become at least somewhat familiar with Linux. Learn to use it for
most of your everyday tasks. Most distributions will let you do web
browsing, e-mail, office productivity, and a lot of other things right out
of the box. While the setup for MythTV is by far better than anything else
I've seen, and there are great install docs, not every installation goes
smoothly and you might need to tinker. Anyway, it helps to understand
what's going on. A decent site is http://www.linuxnewbie.org/. For general
Linux help, try those forums.

Second, noone can give you a concrete "this is the system to use"
definition. Check out the really cool database that Mark Cooper put up for
what system components people are using
(http://www.goldfish.org/~mcooper/pvrhw/stats.html). Read the archives
(http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/Misc_C2/MythTV_F10/) for what
people have said if you have questions about a specific piece of hardware.

Overall, onboard audio (CMI8738) chips and the Sound Blaster Live! cards
have had good quality. AMD processors in the >= 1700+ range give you great
performance for the best price. Since you're using it as your exclusive TV
setup, then you'll want a beefier proc than most b/c you'll want to
encode-decode at a higher resolution. 256Ram, 80GB harddrive, and Hauppage
WinTV (or ATi's TV Wonder) and a fairly recent graphics card (most people
like Matrox G200 or a GeForce2/4) round out the core setup. For remote,
just buy and IRman or similar package (see "Commercially available links on
www.lirc.org), unless you like/are good at soldering.

Note that all the above is just my opinion - and I'd stick it in a Shuttle
Online microPC, probably the SK41G
(http://www.shuttleonline.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=155) (btw, anyone done this
on a Redhat/Debian system? How'd it work?) and you can have the whole
system in a small, fairly quiet box for $700.

Of course, you could start small like I did - I got a new HD and TV card
first, tried it out on my desktop box, then bought the rest when I knew I
could get the system to wrok and could afford it.

Good luck, happy MythTVing, and we'll be here if you have questions!


(Dang it! And just as I'm about to post, John's reply to this thread just
came through. Oh well, since I spent the time on it, might as well throw
this out to everyone as well. Grrrr!)

Johann


-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-dev-admin[at]snowman.net [mailto:mythtv-dev-admin[at]snowman.net]On
Behalf Of Derrick Rademaker
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:21 PM
To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
Subject: [mythtv] Help please!


I have never used linux before in my life, I would like to create a new pc
exlusively for myth tv and pvr for my television system

What would you recommend for the best idea system to have it used only for
this and using a remote control with the entertainment system

I am on a budget so I need to keep cost low

Thank you for all your help

Derrick


klemmack at earthlink

Jan 13, 2003, 2:26 AM

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I would recommend against the SS40 unless price is a big thing. For $50
more, you can get the SS41G, which is MUCH quieter (in google, type in
"ss40g review noise" and most anything you come across will mention it), has
better performance, *AND* has an AGP slot (the SS40 does *not* - it has 2
PCI). There are still a lot of PCI graphics cards out there, but I know
nothing of them and would stay away unless you're really strapped for cash.
As for the noise, the BIOS on the SS40 has a software controlled fan, MythTV
would keep the CPU temp up no matter what the processor is, so the fan would
be roaring.

Other than that, system seems fine - except don't forget a DVD drive and
proper video card. Some people go with an ATi All-In-Wonder or the Matrox
G200/G450(?) which are graphics cards with a built-in tuner. Unless you
like mucking around with drivers, though, I'd say play it safe and get an
nVidia card with S-video out and a WinTV card. Unfortunately, that will
fill up the 2 slots they have in the SS40g/SK41g computer.

Of course, if money is no object (hahahah) you can get the brand spanking
new SN41G2 from shuttle, with a build-in dual head nVidia GeForce4 MX
built-in, and an nForce based mobo. So new you can't get it yet... oh well.

If you're willing to have a mini-tower sitting by your entertainment center
(painted a nice matte black of course), you could save $50-100 on a
case-mobo-proc barebones depending on where you shop and have more room to
expand.

Just remember that if you can compress using MJPEG you'll be running
1.5G/hour of harddrive. A 80GB, 75 after system install still gives you 50
hours of recording space and thats more than enough for me.

Lastly, if you do go with a Shuttle mini-system, save yourself $10 and get
an OEM processor - the Shuttle systems have a built-in CPU cooler that
you'll want to keep.

Good luck and e-mail me with what system you end up going with!

Johann

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-dev-admin[at]snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-dev-admin[at]snowman.net]On Behalf Of Derrick Rademaker
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:44 AM
> To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Help please!
>
>
> So then this system here would be addiquate for a system
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.a
> sp?sku=s45
> 1-3032
>
> and then add a tv in card?
> and 120gb seagate barracuda
>
> Do you recommend anything else
>
> Derrick
>
>
> > Note that all the above is just my opinion - and I'd stick it
> in a Shuttle
> > Online microPC, probably the SK41G
> > (http://www.shuttleonline.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=155) (btw, anyone done
> this
> > on a Redhat/Debian system? How'd it work?) and you can have the whole
> > system in a small, fairly quiet box for $700.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-dev mailing list
> mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> http://www.snowman.net/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev


bwente at travelatro

Jan 14, 2003, 9:52 AM

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Here is my story:

This is my first linux box.
This is my first intel based computer.

I am mac user.
I wasn't happy with the choices for pvr on the mac
(http://www.elgato.com/eyeTV/index.html)
I didn't want to upgrade to OSX.

Anyway, I wanted a PVR and found MythTV. It looked like it was going in the
right direction. I sign-up on the mailing list and search the archives and
decided to take the plunge.

My hardware:
SS50 Shuttle (to pci slots for two wintv cards)
80 GB HD seagate barracuda
DVD-RW HP refurbish from tigerdirect
2.4 gHz Pentium 4 (for ripping DVD's and hopefully converting recordings to
VCD)
512 MB RAM
PCI wintv 401 card (just one for now)

total price $800

I spent more than I needed to, but I plan to have do more too.

Build time 1 hour, it's a tight fit for my big hands, but it is a straight
forward approach.

The fan is noisy, I did buy a Zalman case fan. It did reduce the noise
somewhat. I going to leave the processor fan alone and get a RF remote and
keep the MythBox in a cabinet.

My Software:

I'm using RedHat 8.0 the instructions on the site are very good. I just
followed the instructions. There is some other software that I consider a
must have for a beginner. One is webmin it is a gui web based tool for all
sorts of stuff. Apache, MySQL, NFS shares, user and groups, and even
appletalk setup for my other computers.

The other piece of software I found was APT (Advanced Package Tool
http://apt.freshrpms.net/ ) it is package manager. It's command line, but
someone created a gui frontend called synaptic. I just used it to upgrade
xmltv last night, just three clicks and it's done.

MythTv installation was exactly done by the available documentation. I had
problems with getting the sound configured, but playing around with the
mixer fixed it. Sound quality is still a problem, the list has suggestions
on changing the sampling rate.

I also found a RPM for MythTV 0.7 after I installed it. I don't know if it
works.

rpm http://apt.physik.fu-berlin.de redhat/8.0/en/i386 at
rpm-src http://apt.physik.fu-berlin.de redhat/8.0/en/i386 at


I hope this helps.

I am eagerly waiting for MythTV 0.8

-- Brian


thompsonson at uk2

Jan 18, 2003, 2:20 AM

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>6) There's a member on this list who's working on putting together a "MythTV on a CD" distribution. It will work like >this: You'll download the image, burn a CD and then boot that up on your PC. It will load a version of Linux with all the >MythTV s/w all configured and ready-to-run! Advantage is obviously you can be running in minutes without knowing >much about what's going on. Disadvantage is that it "may" be difficult to customize for your own hardware - especially >if it strays from whatever is on the CD. I used a SuSE CD like this when first checking out Linux a while back and it >worked great. We'll see when he has it ready, but there's a lot of interest in this option.

Brilliant idea, would be very helpful for those (windows) users who don't have the time to setup Linux etc...
Does anyone know how this is going?
----- Original Message -----
From: Derrick Rademaker
To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [mythtv] Help please!


John,

Thank you for the links and the time to reply. I am looking over the information provided. Again thank you

Derrick

----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtv] Help please!


Hi Derrick,

Fellow "newbie" here. I've asked similar questions and here's what I've garnered...

1) Seems like the most preferred / common systems out here are the AMD systems such as the Athlon 2000+. Powerful & inexpensive. If you've got an older PC that needs more horsepower, you can get an Athlon 2000+ w/heatsink & fan, Motherboard, and 256mb RAM from googlegear.com (or tigerdirect.com) from around $175. With it, I believe you'll be able to install two tuners and have picture in picture and record one show while watching another. Wouldn't start out with that though - get one working first. ;-)

2) All kinds of video tuner cards work. I just bought a Matrox G200 TV because it has hardware MJPEG encoding which should allow my PIII-800 to do the job. If not, I'll upgrade to an AMD setup above. There's a list at: http://www.goldfish.org/~mcooper/pvrhw/stats.html which lists all the various configs that people have used with MythTV. It will give you an idea of what some of your choices are.

3) As you probably know, Linux comes in many "flavors" or "distributions" (distos). Mandrake is recommended as a great distro of Linux for beginners. I've d/l their ISO's (CD images) and read the docs and it's VERY well written. Answers all the basic questions and much more. People have advised me to download and play with Mandrake and get familiar with it before jumping into the MythTV application. Makes sense.

4) The current "official" version of MythTV is .7. There's a CVS (read this as compile all the development code yourself) version that is the true "latest" but not for beginners, and a .8 version is on the horizon - due this month if all goes well I guess. The biggest difference with .8 will be splitting the encoding and decoding pieces into a "front end" and "back end". Both of these processes can be done on the same box, or on different boxes. This will allow slower (I guess read "sub-1ghz") boxes to handle each chore.

5) The remote control portion works like this: The remote itself can be almost any infrared or universal remote with 4 arrow keys and keys to use as Enter and Esc, etc. The infrared "receiver" can either be purchased for around 35 bucks(?) or you can build it yourself with about $13 worth of parts from Radio Shack. It seems quite simple to solder up and I'm going to put one together shortly and actually buy a Tivo remote control from their online web site ($29) because I've had one before and like its ergonomics. If your existing entertainment system has a remote it may work fine. Go to http://www.lirc.org/ for more info.

6) There's a member on this list who's working on putting together a "MythTV on a CD" distribution. It will work like this: You'll download the image, burn a CD and then boot that up on your PC. It will load a version of Linux with all the MythTV s/w all configured and ready-to-run! Advantage is obviously you can be running in minutes without knowing much about what's going on. Disadvantage is that it "may" be difficult to customize for your own hardware - especially if it strays from whatever is on the CD. I used a SuSE CD like this when first checking out Linux a while back and it worked great. We'll see when he has it ready, but there's a lot of interest in this option.

Guess that's about it. Like I say, I'm new to it too, but hey, we all start somewhere right?

Good luck, and thanks again to all the guys who put in so much hard work to make MythTV available!

John


----- Original Message -----
From: Derrick Rademaker
To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: [mythtv] Help please!


I have never used linux before in my life, I would like to create a new pc exlusively for myth tv and pvr for my television system

What would you recommend for the best idea system to have it used only for this and using a remote control with the entertainment system

I am on a budget so I need to keep cost low

Thank you for all your help

Derrick


baker at cyborgworkshop

Jan 18, 2003, 6:16 AM

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Hello there, Im the one working on this project at the moment. Right now I
am on vacation at my girlfriends parents house in St Louis, so all the of
work that I am doing right now is on my laptop. Bascially getting apps
installed and what not, but I cant test it yet because my laptop has no
capture card :-) As it stands, I have only run into one problem that has
caused me a little headscratching and that is trying to get X to use the
appropriate Matrox drivers if they are present, or to use the fb driver if
they are not. Im down to two options, run a script that takes a peak
into proc to see if the harware is there and then configures X
accordingly, or just use the fb driver. I will most likelly launch with
just the fb driver and work on the matrox stuff a little later. Other then
that things are progressing nicelly. If you want a running update, you
can visit www.cyborgworkshop.com/myth.html . I will keep that as updated
as I can while I work on getting the first iso done.

--
Jason Baker
baker[at]cyborgworkshop.com
www.cyborgworkshop.com

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Matt Thompson wrote:

> >6) There's a member on this list who's working on putting together a "MythTV on a CD" distribution. It will work like >this: You'll download the image, burn a CD and then boot that up on your PC. It will load a version of Linux with all the >MythTV s/w all configured and ready-to-run! Advantage is obviously you can be running in minutes without knowing >much about what's going on. Disadvantage is that it "may" be difficult to customize for your own hardware - especially >if it strays from whatever is on the CD. I used a SuSE CD like this when first checking out Linux a while back and it >worked great. We'll see when he has it ready, but there's a lot of interest in this option.
>
> Brilliant idea, would be very helpful for those (windows) users who don't have the time to setup Linux etc...
> Does anyone know how this is going?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Derrick Rademaker
> To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Help please!
>
>
> John,
>
> Thank you for the links and the time to reply. I am looking over the information provided. Again thank you
>
> Derrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John
> To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Help please!
>
>
> Hi Derrick,
>
> Fellow "newbie" here. I've asked similar questions and here's what I've garnered...
>
> 1) Seems like the most preferred / common systems out here are the AMD systems such as the Athlon 2000+. Powerful & inexpensive. If you've got an older PC that needs more horsepower, you can get an Athlon 2000+ w/heatsink & fan, Motherboard, and 256mb RAM from googlegear.com (or tigerdirect.com) from around $175. With it, I believe you'll be able to install two tuners and have picture in picture and record one show while watching another. Wouldn't start out with that though - get one working first. ;-)
>
> 2) All kinds of video tuner cards work. I just bought a Matrox G200 TV because it has hardware MJPEG encoding which should allow my PIII-800 to do the job. If not, I'll upgrade to an AMD setup above. There's a list at: http://www.goldfish.org/~mcooper/pvrhw/stats.html which lists all the various configs that people have used with MythTV. It will give you an idea of what some of your choices are.
>
> 3) As you probably know, Linux comes in many "flavors" or "distributions" (distos). Mandrake is recommended as a great distro of Linux for beginners. I've d/l their ISO's (CD images) and read the docs and it's VERY well written. Answers all the basic questions and much more. People have advised me to download and play with Mandrake and get familiar with it before jumping into the MythTV application. Makes sense.
>
> 4) The current "official" version of MythTV is .7. There's a CVS (read this as compile all the development code yourself) version that is the true "latest" but not for beginners, and a .8 version is on the horizon - due this month if all goes well I guess. The biggest difference with .8 will be splitting the encoding and decoding pieces into a "front end" and "back end". Both of these processes can be done on the same box, or on different boxes. This will allow slower (I guess read "sub-1ghz") boxes to handle each chore.
>
> 5) The remote control portion works like this: The remote itself can be almost any infrared or universal remote with 4 arrow keys and keys to use as Enter and Esc, etc. The infrared "receiver" can either be purchased for around 35 bucks(?) or you can build it yourself with about $13 worth of parts from Radio Shack. It seems quite simple to solder up and I'm going to put one together shortly and actually buy a Tivo remote control from their online web site ($29) because I've had one before and like its ergonomics. If your existing entertainment system has a remote it may work fine. Go to http://www.lirc.org/ for more info.
>
> 6) There's a member on this list who's working on putting together a "MythTV on a CD" distribution. It will work like this: You'll download the image, burn a CD and then boot that up on your PC. It will load a version of Linux with all the MythTV s/w all configured and ready-to-run! Advantage is obviously you can be running in minutes without knowing much about what's going on. Disadvantage is that it "may" be difficult to customize for your own hardware - especially if it strays from whatever is on the CD. I used a SuSE CD like this when first checking out Linux a while back and it worked great. We'll see when he has it ready, but there's a lot of interest in this option.
>
> Guess that's about it. Like I say, I'm new to it too, but hey, we all start somewhere right?
>
> Good luck, and thanks again to all the guys who put in so much hard work to make MythTV available!
>
> John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Derrick Rademaker
> To: mythtv-dev[at]snowman.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:20 PM
> Subject: [mythtv] Help please!
>
>
> I have never used linux before in my life, I would like to create a new pc exlusively for myth tv and pvr for my television system
>
> What would you recommend for the best idea system to have it used only for this and using a remote control with the entertainment system
>
> I am on a budget so I need to keep cost low
>
> Thank you for all your help
>
> Derrick
>
>


maillists at sonictech

Jan 18, 2003, 11:25 AM

Post #14 of 14 (3380 views)
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Re: Help please! [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 07:16:16AM -0600, Jason wrote:
>
> Hello there, Im the one working on this project at the moment. Right now I
> am on vacation at my girlfriends parents house in St Louis, so all the of
> work that I am doing right now is on my laptop. Bascially getting apps
> installed and what not, but I cant test it yet because my laptop has no
> capture card :-) As it stands, I have only run into one problem that has
> caused me a little headscratching and that is trying to get X to use the
> appropriate Matrox drivers if they are present, or to use the fb driver if
> they are not.

If you are doing TV-Out the the appropriate drivers ARE FB drivers,
specifically the MatroxFB ones. Unless something has improved I don't think
the generic FB drivers support XV and therefore won't be usefull for Myth.

--
Ray

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