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tom_a_sparks at yahoo

Jul 6, 2009, 12:51 AM

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Wordpress plugin: mythweb
I have been thinking due to the lack of user level access, a wordpress plugin may be an idea

any comments?


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dibblah.allan.stirling at googlemail

Jul 6, 2009, 1:34 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
Tom Sparks wrote:
> I have been thinking due to the lack of user level access, a wordpress plugin may be an idea
> any comments?
>

What do you mean by "lack of user level access"?


Please remove your signature or at least properly delimit it
and limit it in size. It detracts from your actual message.


Cheers,

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>
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> but instead use OpenDocument File Formats or
> use OpenOffice
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
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Jul 6, 2009, 1:55 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
--- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail> wrote:

> From: Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Wordpress plugin: mythweb
> To: "Development of mythtv" <mythtv-dev [at] mythtv>
> Received: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 6:34 PM
> Tom Sparks wrote:
> > I have been thinking due to the lack of user level
> access, a wordpress plugin may be an idea
> > any comments?
> >
>
> What do you mean by "lack of user level access"?

say I want admin level, member level, joe public level

admin level:
full access

member level:
scheduling recording, deleting recording, setting jobs etc

joe public level:
EPG listing, EPG search, watch recorded shows


> Please remove your signature or at least properly delimit
> it and limit it in size. It detracts from your actual
> message.
>

sorry

>
> Cheers,
>
> Allan.

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dibblah.allan.stirling at googlemail

Jul 6, 2009, 2:02 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
Tom Sparks wrote:
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail> wrote:
>
>> From: Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
>> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Wordpress plugin: mythweb
>> To: "Development of mythtv" <mythtv-dev [at] mythtv>
>> Received: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 6:34 PM
>> Tom Sparks wrote:
>>> I have been thinking due to the lack of user level
>> access, a wordpress plugin may be an idea
>>> any comments?
>>>
>> What do you mean by "lack of user level access"?
>
> say I want admin level, member level, joe public level
>
The phrase you need to look for is "role-based
authentication". I do not see how adding Wordpress helps here.

Cheers,

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tom_a_sparks at yahoo

Jul 6, 2009, 2:28 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
--- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail> wrote:

> From: Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Wordpress plugin: mythweb
> To: "Development of mythtv" <mythtv-dev [at] mythtv>
> Received: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 7:02 PM
> Tom Sparks wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> >> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Wordpress plugin: mythweb
> >> To: "Development of mythtv" <mythtv-dev [at] mythtv>
> >> Received: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 6:34 PM
> >> Tom Sparks wrote:
> >>> I have been thinking due to the lack of user
> level
> >> access, a wordpress plugin may be an idea
> >>> any comments?
> >>>
> >> What do you mean by "lack of user level access"?
> >
> > say I want admin level, member level, joe public
> level
> >
> The phrase you need to look for is "role-based
> authentication". I do not see how adding Wordpress helps
> here.

wordpress has that feature see http://codex.wordpress.org/Roles_and_Capabilities

>
> Cheers,
>
> Allan.


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richard.e.morton at gmail

Jul 6, 2009, 2:36 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
During my investigations and analysis I reviewed drupal joomla wordpress
phpnuke and quite a few others. Drupal came out on top with a stong lead
over second place. Admittedly drupal is a framework and requires you to
instal modules to extend it. But there are hundreds and it was designed and
built from the ground up as an extensible multisite multiuser cms

Www.nafof.org.uk is just one site built with drupal.
R

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Thanks and regards,
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On Jul 6, 2009 10:28 AM, "Tom Sparks" <tom_a_sparks [at] yahoo> wrote:

--- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
wrote: > From: Allan St...
> Received: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 7:02 PM

> Tom Sparks wrote: > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling
<dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlem
wordpress has that feature see
http://codex.wordpress.org/Roles_and_Capabilities

>
> Cheers,
>
> Allan.

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dibblah.allan.stirling at googlemail

Jul 6, 2009, 3:33 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
>> The phrase you need to look for is "role-based
>> authentication". I do not see how adding Wordpress helps
>> here.
>
> wordpress has that feature see http://codex.wordpress.org/Roles_and_Capabilities
>

Yes, but integration with mythweb would be severely non trivial.

And... 51 lines to add a one line reply?

Please consider trimming your quotes.

Cheers,

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jochen.kuehner at gmx

Jul 6, 2009, 4:50 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
I don't think that it is easier to add wordpress to mythweb then creating a userlevel for mythweb. I think it doesn't exist, cause of nobody of the dev's needs it.

If you want do it by yourself and create a patch, i think if it is well coded it will be included in mainline mythweb!

I also think it's not to complicated... create a user tabel in the database (where the user, password, level and session is stored), create a login page where a session is created, when scheudling a recording check the session, if the user is allowed to do that, and also by the settings page!
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 02:28:05 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Tom Sparks <tom_a_sparks [at] yahoo>
> An: Development of mythtv <mythtv-dev [at] mythtv>
> Betreff: Re: [mythtv] Wordpress plugin: mythweb

>
> --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv] Wordpress plugin: mythweb
> > To: "Development of mythtv" <mythtv-dev [at] mythtv>
> > Received: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 7:02 PM
> > Tom Sparks wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 6/7/09, Allan Stirling
> <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> From: Allan Stirling <dibblah.allan.stirling [at] googlemail>
> > >> Subject: Re: [mythtv] Wordpress plugin: mythweb
> > >> To: "Development of mythtv" <mythtv-dev [at] mythtv>
> > >> Received: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 6:34 PM
> > >> Tom Sparks wrote:
> > >>> I have been thinking due to the lack of user
> > level
> > >> access, a wordpress plugin may be an idea
> > >>> any comments?
> > >>>
> > >> What do you mean by "lack of user level access"?
> > >
> > > say I want admin level, member level, joe public
> > level
> > >
> > The phrase you need to look for is "role-based
> > authentication". I do not see how adding Wordpress helps
> > here.
>
> wordpress has that feature see
> http://codex.wordpress.org/Roles_and_Capabilities
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Allan.
>
>
>
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Jul 6, 2009, 5:10 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
--- On Mon, 6/7/09, "Jochen Kühner" <jochen.kuehner [at] gmx> wrote:

> I don't think that it is easier to
> add wordpress to mythweb then creating a userlevel for
> mythweb. I think it doesn't exist, cause of nobody of the
> dev's needs it.

I think of writing a plugin for wordpress that can read mythtv DB and sort-of look like mythweb, not the other way around

>
> If you want do it by yourself and create a patch, i think
> if it is well coded it will be included in mainline
> mythweb!
>
I have had quick looked at mythweb's source code, and i have decide not to copy the code as i could streamline it better as a wordpress plugin

<snip>
tom sparks


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myth at dermanouelian

Jul 6, 2009, 6:25 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Jochen Kühner wrote:

> I also think it's not to complicated... create a user tabel in the
> database (where the user, password, level and session is stored),
> create a login page where a session is created, when scheudling a
> recording check the session, if the user is allowed to do that, and
> also by the settings page!

Whatever is added to mythweb should also consider all of mythtv to
extend its use to all interfaces. It doesn't make much sense to put
the work into add roles in one place that do not make sense for
another. I believe this is the reason it hasn't been implemented, yet.
It's a much larger project than it originally seems.

-Brad

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Jul 6, 2009, 6:39 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
On 07/06/2009 09:25 AM, Brad DerManouelian wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Jochen Kühner wrote:
>> I also think it's not to complicated... create a user tabel in the
>> database (where the user, password, level and session is stored),
>> create a login page where a session is created, when scheudling a
>> recording check the session, if the user is allowed to do that, and
>> also by the settings page!
> Whatever is added to mythweb should also consider all of mythtv to
> extend its use to all interfaces. It doesn't make much sense to put
> the work into add roles in one place that do not make sense for
> another. I believe this is the reason it hasn't been implemented, yet.
> It's a much larger project than it originally seems.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/363794#363794
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/288155#288155
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/368560#368560
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/349275#349275
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/99807#99807
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/323782#323782

and the only reply to this one is from one of the lead designers of MythWeb:
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/69237#69237

And search the list for "multiuser" and "multi-user" and "multi user".

Mike

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kormoc at gmail

Jul 6, 2009, 7:35 AM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Tom Sparks<tom_a_sparks [at] yahoo> wrote:
> I have had quick looked at mythweb's source code, and i have decide not to copy the code as i could streamline it better as a wordpress plugin

Just keep in mind, there's /not/ a lot of bloat, and infact the models
are practically as light as they can be, it's always changing, and
it's a fair bit of work to keep up.

And second, it's a 15-30 minute job to add the user support to mythweb
that you want, the problem is people want unified users in
mythfrontend and mythweb, and that's non-trivial.

Third, We also do not want to support 'joe public' usage. That's not
covered by fair use and trunk mythweb locks down if it detects that
it's being indexed by a search engine.
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tom_a_sparks at yahoo

Jul 6, 2009, 6:04 PM

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Re: Wordpress plugin: mythweb [In reply to]
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Rob Smith <kormoc [at] gmail> wrote:
<snip>
> Third, We also do not want to support 'joe public' usage.
> That's not
> covered by fair use and  trunk mythweb locks down if
> it detects that
> it's being indexed by a search engine.

I am not say true Internet-based 'joe public', but hotel/motel style 'joe public' or the hopeless family member


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