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hendrixski at storsint

Nov 28, 2007, 8:54 AM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources"

> >> I take that to mean that even if it's not immediately apparent,
> it's
> >> easy enough to figure out without needing any extra help from
> someone
> > >else. So maybe it's good enough. :)
> >
> > This line of thinking is why MythTV sucks so much more than it
> should.
>
> Let me just check on the code you've submitted and see how much
> better
> you've tried to make it.
>
>
> I didn't contribute a single line of code to Windows ME, either. I
> suppose I'm not qualified to suggest it could have been better than it
> was?

I think this thread deserves more attention because
A) it's entertaining
B) it actually scratches the surface at 2 really good issues
1)There's no shortage of people who can say "this sucks, now make it
better!"
2)There's no shortage of people who say "oh yeah, well you're a
poopy-pants because you're not 13337 enough to express your ideas in code".

Chris,
Do you have a valid suggestion of what to modify (in the code) in order
to fix the lack-of-apparentness bug? If not, would you be willing to
work with someone who can help you formulate that suggestion, and to
learn how to implement it?

Brad,
Would you be able to help Chris learn how to make the modifications he
needs to contribute a patch? It's really as simple as pointing them to
the right manuals and saying "Read This Fine Manual", and then answer
their questions about it once they've read it, maybe even doing a
code-review while they're working on their patch.

- Hendrixski

P.S.
I am contributing with the Vex Browser thing with San... so hopefully
you'll be seeing a totally awesome patch with my name attached to it
soon. :-)

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* Ask on the appropriate list or forum using a meaningful header
* Be precise, impersonal, to the point, state your goal, and say "please" and "thank you"

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dcsmith at gmail

Nov 28, 2007, 9:52 AM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources" [In reply to]

Well, again with little to no contribution, as an initial step would it
be possible to remove the card configuration step and simply use hal to
get a v4l device list. One would still have to specify some things, but
wouldn't this be 1 small thing that could be removed from the mythtv
setup?
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 11:54 -0500, hendrixski wrote:
> > >> I take that to mean that even if it's not immediately apparent,
> > it's
> > >> easy enough to figure out without needing any extra help from
> > someone
> > > >else. So maybe it's good enough. :)
> > >
> > > This line of thinking is why MythTV sucks so much more than it
> > should.
> >
> > Let me just check on the code you've submitted and see how much
> > better
> > you've tried to make it.
> >
> >
> > I didn't contribute a single line of code to Windows ME, either. I
> > suppose I'm not qualified to suggest it could have been better than it
> > was?
>
> I think this thread deserves more attention because
> A) it's entertaining
> B) it actually scratches the surface at 2 really good issues
> 1)There's no shortage of people who can say "this sucks, now make it
> better!"
> 2)There's no shortage of people who say "oh yeah, well you're a
> poopy-pants because you're not 13337 enough to express your ideas in code".
>
> Chris,
> Do you have a valid suggestion of what to modify (in the code) in order
> to fix the lack-of-apparentness bug? If not, would you be willing to
> work with someone who can help you formulate that suggestion, and to
> learn how to implement it?
>
> Brad,
> Would you be able to help Chris learn how to make the modifications he
> needs to contribute a patch? It's really as simple as pointing them to
> the right manuals and saying "Read This Fine Manual", and then answer
> their questions about it once they've read it, maybe even doing a
> code-review while they're working on their patch.
>
> - Hendrixski
>
> P.S.
> I am contributing with the Vex Browser thing with San... so hopefully
> you'll be seeing a totally awesome patch with my name attached to it
> soon. :-)
>
>

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laga+mythtv at laga

Nov 28, 2007, 9:56 AM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources" [In reply to]

Don Smith schrieb:
> Well, again with little to no contribution, as an initial step would it
> be possible to remove the card configuration step and simply use hal to
> get a v4l device list. One would still have to specify some things, but
> wouldn't this be 1 small thing that could be removed from the mythtv
> setup?

How does HAL recognize devices like the HDhomerun or the dbox2?

Please stop top-posting, btw.

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archanoid at gmail

Nov 28, 2007, 10:07 AM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources" [In reply to]

On Nov 28, 2007 12:56 PM, Michael Haas <laga+mythtv[at]laga.ath.cx> wrote:
> Don Smith schrieb:
> > Well, again with little to no contribution, as an initial step would it
> > be possible to remove the card configuration step and simply use hal to
> > get a v4l device list. One would still have to specify some things, but
> > wouldn't this be 1 small thing that could be removed from the mythtv
> > setup?
>
> How does HAL recognize devices like the HDhomerun or the dbox2?
>

Magic?

(Sorry, had to.../me goes back to lurking)
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kormoc at gmail

Nov 28, 2007, 10:21 AM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources" [In reply to]

On Nov 28, 2007 9:52 AM, Don Smith <dcsmith[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, again with little to no contribution, as an initial step would it
> be possible to remove the card configuration step and simply use hal to
> get a v4l device list. One would still have to specify some things, but
> wouldn't this be 1 small thing that could be removed from the mythtv
> setup?

Not everyone has HAL (I don't), nor does HAL work for everything.

~Rob
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Nov 28, 2007, 2:54 PM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources" [In reply to]

On Nov 28, 2007 1:07 PM, Aaron Howard <archanoid[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2007 12:56 PM, Michael Haas <laga+mythtv[at]laga.ath.cx> wrote:
> > Don Smith schrieb:
> > > Well, again with little to no contribution, as an initial step would it
> > > be possible to remove the card configuration step and simply use hal to
> > > get a v4l device list. One would still have to specify some things, but
> > > wouldn't this be 1 small thing that could be removed from the mythtv
> > > setup?
> >
> > How does HAL recognize devices like the HDhomerun or the dbox2?
> >
>
> Magic?
>
> (Sorry, had to.../me goes back to lurking)

poopy pants!

(Sorry, had to as well... /me goes back to lurking)

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dcsmith at gmail

Nov 28, 2007, 3:08 PM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources" [In reply to]

Well if it's over a crossover cable it could be probed. But granted
hdhomerun would be difficult. Does that mean that using hal should be
off the table alltogether?
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 13:07 -0500, Aaron Howard wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2007 12:56 PM, Michael Haas <laga+mythtv[at]laga.ath.cx> wrote:
> > Don Smith schrieb:
> > > Well, again with little to no contribution, as an initial step would it
> > > be possible to remove the card configuration step and simply use hal to
> > > get a v4l device list. One would still have to specify some things, but
> > > wouldn't this be 1 small thing that could be removed from the mythtv
> > > setup?
> >
> > How does HAL recognize devices like the HDhomerun or the dbox2?
> >
>
> Magic?
>
> (Sorry, had to.../me goes back to lurking)
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kormoc at gmail

Nov 28, 2007, 3:20 PM

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Re: thoughts about the "mythtv sucks" comments... was "video sources" [In reply to]

On Nov 28, 2007 3:08 PM, Don Smith <dcsmith[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> Well if it's over a crossover cable it could be probed. But granted
> hdhomerun would be difficult. Does that mean that using hal should be
> off the table alltogether?

As others have requested, top posting is considered bad form in this
mailing list ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List_etiquette#Bottom_post
).

Who said HAL was off the table? People pointing out issues with it to
say it's not as simple to just drop in and replace that screen doesn't
mean it's off the table, just that it's more complicated then you
seemed to think.

Really, if myth sucks, stop using it. Bitching about it on the mailing
lists won't do anything at all other then piss others off. A lot of us
like or love it. Adding negativity to the community doesn't help
anyone.

~Rob
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