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Jul 11, 2007, 6:13 PM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc

On 7/11/07, MythTV <mythtv [at] cvs> wrote:
> #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc
> -------------------------+--------------------------------------------------
> Reporter: anonymous | Owner: ldunning
> Type: defect | Status: closed
> Priority: major | Milestone: unknown
> Component: mythweather | Version: unknown
> Severity: medium | Resolution: invalid
> Mlocked: 1 |
> -------------------------+--------------------------------------------------
> Changes (by stuartm):
>
> * status: reopened => closed
> * resolution: => invalid
> * mlocked: 0 => 1
>
>
> Comment:
>
> Now that the revamp has been merged back into trunk I'm closing this.
> Instead, if supplying patches against the new mythweather open a new
> ticket.
>
> For licensing reasons we have ruled out using weather.com as a source.

I haven't been following the mythweather stuff, but has accuweather
been looked at? I know forecastfox and some other open source projects
use them (and they link to them from their download page). I don't
know what their international presence is though.

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Jul 11, 2007, 7:29 PM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On 07/11/2007 09:13 PM, Steven Adeff wrote:
> On 7/11/07, MythTV <mythtv [at] cvs> wrote:
>
>> Now that the revamp has been merged back into trunk I'm closing this.
>> Instead, if supplying patches against the new mythweather open a new
>> ticket.
>>
>> For licensing reasons we have ruled out using weather.com as a source.
>>
> I haven't been following the mythweather stuff, but has accuweather
> been looked at? I know forecastfox and some other open source projects
> use them (and they link to them from their download page). I don't
> know what their international presence is though.
>
>

But, since mythweather-revamp (now just mythweather ;) uses a
user-specified script, we don't need one source for all users. Instead,
people can create scripts that work with their local/national weather
services or some commercial site with good data for their area (all
assuming licensing compatibility).

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Jul 11, 2007, 8:14 PM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On 7/11/07, Michael T. Dean <mtdean [at] thirdcontact> wrote:
> On 07/11/2007 09:13 PM, Steven Adeff wrote:
> > On 7/11/07, MythTV <mythtv [at] cvs> wrote:
> >
> >> Now that the revamp has been merged back into trunk I'm closing this.
> >> Instead, if supplying patches against the new mythweather open a new
> >> ticket.
> >>
> >> For licensing reasons we have ruled out using weather.com as a source.
> >>
> > I haven't been following the mythweather stuff, but has accuweather
> > been looked at? I know forecastfox and some other open source projects
> > use them (and they link to them from their download page). I don't
> > know what their international presence is though.
> >
> >
>
> But, since mythweather-revamp (now just mythweather ;) uses a
> user-specified script, we don't need one source for all users. Instead,
> people can create scripts that work with their local/national weather
> services or some commercial site with good data for their area (all
> assuming licensing compatibility).

ah, cool, so now that its merged is it "ready"? are there any
outstanding issues?

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stuart at tase

Jul 11, 2007, 10:53 PM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On Thursday 12 July 2007 04:14:58 Steven Adeff wrote:
> > But, since mythweather-revamp (now just mythweather ;) uses a
> > user-specified script, we don't need one source for all users. Instead,
> > people can create scripts that work with their local/national weather
> > services or some commercial site with good data for their area (all
> > assuming licensing compatibility).
>
> ah, cool, so now that its merged is it "ready"? are there any
> outstanding issues?

Plenty, but hopefully they will get sorted in the next few weeks. I wouldn't
call -revamp ready, but at least it's not completely broken like the old
mythweather.

One major issue is the complete lack of theme support for it.
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Jul 12, 2007, 12:56 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

> One major issue is the complete lack of theme support for it.
> --
> Stuart Morgan

Sounds like a job for the theme maintainer.. whoever that is ;)

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Jul 12, 2007, 3:49 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On Thursday 12 July 2007 15:53, Stuart Morgan wrote:
> On Thursday 12 July 2007 04:14:58 Steven Adeff wrote:
> > > But, since mythweather-revamp (now just mythweather ;) uses a
> > > user-specified script, we don't need one source for all users.
> > > Instead, people can create scripts that work with their local/national
> > > weather services or some commercial site with good data for their area
> > > (all assuming licensing compatibility).
> >
> > ah, cool, so now that its merged is it "ready"? are there any
> > outstanding issues?
>
> Plenty, but hopefully they will get sorted in the next few weeks. I
> wouldn't call -revamp ready, but at least it's not completely broken like
> the old mythweather.

I would like to write a script for Australia using http://www.bom.gov.au as a
source.

Their copyright statement http://www.bom.gov.au/other/copyright.shtml
section "Secondary Distribution of Bureau of Meteorology Information
Currently Freely Available on the Bureau's Web Site", I believe gives
repackage rights provided a copyright statement is attached. Something
like "� Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2007, Bureau of Meteorology".
Could such a line be added to display pages.

How are the scripts to be organised? For example all Australian scripts with
Australia-* or au-*. And then the site eg. -www.bom.gov.au-

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Jul 12, 2007, 7:36 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On 12/07/07, Paul Andreassen <paulx [at] andreassen> wrote:

> I would like to write a script for Australia using http://www.bom.gov.au as a
> source.

Hi Paul,

I was going to ask a similar question :)

My manager's husband work for BOM, I was going to see if I could get
some inside information on using BOM as a data source. If you like I
can let you know if I find out anything useful.

I haven't looked at mythweather-revamp so this may be a silly
question, but here goes...

Does the new mythweather allow for other image pages, in addition to
the satellite images? I ask this because we always use BOM rain radar
and would love this to be included in mythweather-australia.

Cheers,

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paulx at andreassen

Jul 13, 2007, 6:24 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On Friday 13 July 2007 00:36, Roo wrote:
> On 12/07/07, Paul Andreassen <paulx [at] andreassen> wrote:
> > I would like to write a script for Australia using http://www.bom.gov.au
> > as a source.
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I was going to ask a similar question :)
>
> My manager's husband work for BOM, I was going to see if I could get
> some inside information on using BOM as a data source. If you like I
> can let you know if I find out anything useful.

Yes please. I had a look at the BOM website for a contact information and the
best I could come up with was the website admin. webops [at] bom

> I haven't looked at mythweather-revamp so this may be a silly
> question, but here goes...
>
> Does the new mythweather allow for other image pages, in addition to
> the satellite images? I ask this because we always use BOM rain radar
> and would love this to be included in mythweather-australia.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roo.

I haven't tried it but I can't see why another screen couldn't be added.

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Jul 13, 2007, 6:32 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

Paul,

I haven't had a chance to discuss it this week, things have been crazy
at work, but I try to see what I can find out next week.

I found this page interesting though
http://www.bom.gov.au/catalogue/data-feeds.shtml.

They say they hope to have xml feeds soon (before end of 2007), this
would be great.

I will let you know what I find out.

Cheers,

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stuart at tase

Jul 13, 2007, 8:32 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On Thursday 12 July 2007 15:36:20 Roo wrote:
> On 12/07/07, Paul Andreassen <paulx [at] andreassen> wrote:
> > I would like to write a script for Australia using http://www.bom.gov.au
> > as a source.
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I was going to ask a similar question :)
>
> My manager's husband work for BOM, I was going to see if I could get
> some inside information on using BOM as a data source. If you like I
> can let you know if I find out anything useful.
>
> I haven't looked at mythweather-revamp so this may be a silly
> question, but here goes...
>
> Does the new mythweather allow for other image pages, in addition to
> the satellite images? I ask this because we always use BOM rain radar
> and would love this to be included in mythweather-australia.

The new mythweather supports 7 screens:
Current Conditions
18 Hour Forecast
3 Day Forecast
6 Day Forecast
Static Weather Map (Generic, could be anything)
Animated Weather Map (Could be used for animated radar)
Severe Weather Warnings

Of course more screens could be added, they would probably need to be
justified and generic enough that they could be used by other scripts. I
don't think adding a screen for a "3 3/4" hour forecast would be accepted!

It would be nice to make the existing screens even more generic so that the
forecast page could be used for any period of time, with the script
determining what it is called. E.g. In the US it would be the 18 hour
forecast and in the UK the 24 hour forecast. The 6 day could be the 5 day etc

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Jul 13, 2007, 5:28 PM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On 14/07/07, Stuart Morgan <stuart [at] tase> wrote:
> The new mythweather supports 7 screens:
> Current Conditions
> 18 Hour Forecast
> 3 Day Forecast
> 6 Day Forecast
> Static Weather Map (Generic, could be anything)
> Animated Weather Map (Could be used for animated radar)
> Severe Weather Warnings
>
>
> Of course more screens could be added, they would probably need to be
> justified and generic enough that they could be used by other scripts. I
> don't think adding a screen for a "3 3/4" hour forecast would be accepted!

Thanks for the info Stuart, I will try to update to HEAD this weekend.

My managers husband works for Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) in Aus, so I
want to get a handle on what can be done and will try to get the
inside scoop on using their data for Aus.

> It would be nice to make the existing screens even more generic so that the
> forecast page could be used for any period of time, with the script
> determining what it is called. E.g. In the US it would be the 18 hour
> forecast and in the UK the 24 hour forecast. The 6 day could be the 5 day etc

Creating generic page types would be nice, BOM has a lot of
"observation" data. Data from Automatic Weather Stations (AWS) that
list half hourly observations of many different parameters. see
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDV60901/IDV60901.94866.shtml

A generic graph screen that would allow graphing of data extracted
from the half hourly rainfall or temperature or whatever. That would
be cool.

Having thought some more about it maybe this can/should be done in the
scripts, generate the graph using pythin / perl / magic scripting
language and use the static image page you said already exists.
Although if there was a graph page it could be better integrated with
the themes.

Resolved: => N.P.N.D. (No Patch No Dice)
:)

Cheers,

Roo.
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Jul 13, 2007, 5:41 PM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On 7/13/07, Stuart Morgan <stuart [at] tase> wrote:
> The new mythweather supports 7 screens:

Just thinking out loud, but wouldn't a system that allowed the grabber
to tell the plugin how many of what screens it would like work the
best?

So like, grabber weather-1 could say
current|18h|3d|static
and weather-2 could say
current|current|static

This would assume that the screens are less defined and more just
templates for themes to theme 'correctly'

That way a grabber who had info for 3 3/4 hour forcast could add it in
as maybe "18h" without having extra code written for it.

Just a thought, and I have no idea if myth's arch can allow it or not.

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Jul 14, 2007, 2:26 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

On Saturday 14 July 2007 01:41:58 Rob Smith wrote:
> Just thinking out loud, but wouldn't a system that allowed the grabber
> to tell the plugin how many of what screens it would like work the
> best?

That's what I had in mind when I talked about making screens more generic and
also allowing the script to determine what they are called. So it would go
something like:

"current|current{Tomorrow}|18h{24 Hour}|6d{Five Day}"

Without looking back at the code to remind myself, the current version allows
each script to define what screens it can provide data for. The NOAA data
actually uses two or three separate scripts each providing the information
for one or two different screens.
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Jul 14, 2007, 10:58 AM

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Re: [mythtv-commits] Ticket #3327: mythweather no longer works due to changes at msnbc [In reply to]

Stuart Morgan wrote:
> On Saturday 14 July 2007 01:41:58 Rob Smith wrote:
>
>> Just thinking out loud, but wouldn't a system that allowed the grabber
>> to tell the plugin how many of what screens it would like work the
>> best?
>>
>
> That's what I had in mind when I talked about making screens more generic and
> also allowing the script to determine what they are called. So it would go
> something like:
>
> "current|current{Tomorrow}|18h{24 Hour}|6d{Five Day}"
>
> Without looking back at the code to remind myself, the current version allows
> each script to define what screens it can provide data for. The NOAA data
> actually uses two or three separate scripts each providing the information
> for one or two different screens.
>

I would also vote for a more flexible system than is currently provided.
I was thinking of getting things moving by providing a grabber for the
UK based on my current grabber I wrote for the old MythWeather. The
problem is it has no less than 12 screens!, I like to see both local and
national forecasts as well as text summaries ,animated maps for
temperature, cloud, radar, local web camera shot etc etc... It would be
good if the scripts could add there own custom screens in addition to
the generic screens already provided. That would also solve the problem
of some maps, like the temperature maps, requiring there own legend, at
the moment I don't think that would be possible. It would also allow
grabbers to add screens showing additional information that the generic
screens don't show like sunrise/sunset times for example.

It would also be nice if all frontends could to share the same weather
data rather than having to download there own copy.

Paul H.
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