turbo at talstar
Feb 5, 2007, 7:55 PM
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Re: "A", "An", and "The" for sorting - ticket 3048
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Matt wrote:
> I don't believe "An" or "A" should be stripped when sorting. I also
> noticed this in mythmusic. For example... the Band named "A Perfect
> Circle" isn't refered to as "Perfect Circle". Also, I believe "An"
> should be in the same boat.
In musical group names, I would agree... but not in TV & Movie
titles. "A", "An", and "The" should not be considered when sorting
these titles.
> However, I still believe that "The" should be ignored in sorting.
> This is traditionally how the majority of media players sort their
> playlists. iTunes, WMP, etc.
>
> What does everyone else think?
Well, since you asked, here's my take on sorting music artists... ;)
I'm not particularly enthralled with the way the current sorting
works, either. I'm equally non-plussed by the way iTunes, WMP, (and I'm
throwing my Zen 40G Jukebox in with the 'etc') sorts artists, either.
Both methods fail in one respect or another.
Currently, the sort looks like:
10,000 Maniacs
3 Doors Down
Al Green
The Beatles
Booker T. & The MG's
Carl Perkins
Frank Zappa
The Hooters
Huey Lewis and The News
Hurricane Smith
Journey
Looking Glass
Paul Simon
The Police
Simon & Garfunkel
ZZ Top
Ideally, it should be alphabetized by {GROUPNAME} if it's a band name
(usually ignoring A, AN, and THE), {LASTNAME,FIRSTNAME} in the case of
an individual artist, and bands consisting of, or starting with, numbers
should be alphabetized as if the number were spelled out. Most pop
music references (and 'the bible', as it were - Joel Whitburn's "Top
Pop") alphabetize artist names as such:
The Beatles (Beatles)
Booker T. & The MG's (Booker T. & The MG's)
Al Green (Green, Al)
The Hooters (Hooters)
Journey (Journey)
Huey Lewis and The News (Lewis, Huey and The News)
Looking Glass (Looking Glass)
Carl Perkins (Perkins, Carl)
The Police (Police)
Paul Simon (Simon, Paul)
Simon & Garfunkel (Simon, Paul & Garfunkel, Art)
Hurricane Smith (Smith, Hurricane)
10,000 Maniacs (Ten Thousand Maniacs)
3 Doors Down (Three Doors Down)
Frank Zappa (Zappa, Frank)
ZZ Top (ZZ Top)
So, it's not simply a matter of stripping off "A", "An" and "The"
from the artist name -- it's really a matter of devising an
understandable, consistent manner of alphabetizing. Accomplishing this
algorithmically would be impossible (or, at the very least, quite
tedious!). It would be far easier to create a new (not necessarily
displayed) column in the music_artists table strictly for
sorting/listing purposes (SORT_NAME). This field could be
automatically (or algorithmically) "filled in" when songs are imported
into mythmusic (derived from the 'Artist' id3 tag or from the directory
name), but easily changed by the end-user if desired when editing the
meta-info/tag info (via the 'info' button) in mythmusic.
It doesn't seem like this would pose a very large programming task,
either -- the "default" fill could simply be a blind copy of the current
'Artist' field. Those that wish could simply change the SORT_NAME field
to cause the sorting of a particular entry to be done differently.
There would need to be some minor tweaking of the current sort for the
numbers (10,000 Maniacs & 3 Doors Down), but everything else necessary
to achieve the result as in the second list, above, is very minor
programming.
If Paul and/or Stuart aren't up to it, I'd be more than willing to
make the necessary change(s) and submit a patch, once they're both done
with what they're doing in the mythmusic code.
- briand
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