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lambretta at inet

Jan 18, 2002, 7:22 PM

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ideas ...

hello again

i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
on the other hand i can not sit still.

i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.

http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download

please take a look and concentrate only on the following:

- does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
- does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
- are the menu looking ok
- are the fonts ok

im off/busy but look at the css if needed
./allan

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pmak at animeglobe

Jan 18, 2002, 8:27 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:22:27AM +0800, allan wrote:
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?

No.

> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%

Yes, but the titlebar only says "Home" rather than something longer so
it's hard to tell.

> - are the menu looking ok
> - are the fonts ok

Yes, and yes.

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thomas at stderr

Jan 18, 2002, 8:42 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:22:27AM +0800, allan wrote:
> hello again
>
>
> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>
>
> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
> - are the menu looking ok
> - are the fonts ok

no
100% - 1 pixel on each side (when you compare with the content right
underneath it)
yes
yes

I like this layout :-)

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lambretta at inet

Jan 18, 2002, 9:47 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> At 10:22 AM 01/19/02 +0800, allan wrote:
> >i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
> >
> >http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
> Here's a netscape image:
>
> http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif

hmm, (: .is this after a resize of window or initial load?

which netscape, which os?
./allan

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moseley at hank

Jan 18, 2002, 9:49 PM

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At 10:22 AM 01/19/02 +0800, allan wrote:
>i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
>http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download

Here's a netscape image:

http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif

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moseley at hank

Jan 18, 2002, 11:10 PM

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At 12:47 PM 1/19/2002 +0800, allan wrote:
>> Here's a netscape image:
>>
>> http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
>
>hmm, (: .is this after a resize of window or initial load?
>
>which netscape, which os?

Oh sorry. That's 4.08 (4.07?) on Win98.

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netmaster at digital-word

Jan 19, 2002, 3:37 PM

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:: i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast
:: mis-match.
::
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download

please take a look and concentrate only on the following:

- does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
- does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
- are the menu looking ok
- are the fonts ok

Platform: Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 on Windows 2000

No scrollbar, 100% top-bar, great menu, great fonts. This one looks
just right!

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stas at stason

Jan 19, 2002, 9:38 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

allan wrote:

> hello again
>
>
> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>
>
> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:

konqueror on linux:
konqueror -v
Qt: 2.3.2
KDE: 2.2.1
Konqueror: 2.2.1

> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?

Yup, a huge one! While the content fits into one page, there is 1/2 more
empty page to the right.

> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%

yes

> - are the menu looking ok

yes

> - are the fonts ok

yes

I've checked with linux, looks good
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stas at stason

Jan 19, 2002, 9:43 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

> I've checked with linux, looks good

oops, s/linux/lynx/ :)

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lambretta at inet

Jan 19, 2002, 9:56 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
> - are the menu looking ok
> - are the fonts ok

Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> At 12:47 PM 1/19/2002 +0800, allan wrote:
> >> Here's a netscape image:
> >>
> >> http://hank.org/images/ns4-jan18.gif
> >
> >hmm, (: .is this after a resize of window or initial load?
> >
> >which netscape, which os?
>
> Oh sorry. That's 4.08 (4.07?) on Win98.
>
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley [at] hank

hi bill,
i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.

it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).

- no horizontal scrollbar
- 100% topbar
- ok menu
- ok fonts

if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.

i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
stas, thomas?

./allan

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lambretta at inet

Jan 19, 2002, 10:26 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

thanks for this ...

Stas Bekman wrote:
>
> > i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
> > other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
> > stas, thomas?
>
> I did already. Here is the summary:
>
> mozilla 0.9.7 +1
> NS 4.79 -0
> opera5 +1
> konqueror -0
> lynx +1
> links +1
>
> Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
> the same.
>
> -0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
> not usable.
>
> BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
> the right side of the menu.

can you possibly upload screenshots to look at?

./allan

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lambretta at inet

Jan 19, 2002, 10:42 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> At 12:56 PM 01/20/02 +0800, allan wrote:
> >> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
> >i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.
> >
> >it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).
> >
> >- no horizontal scrollbar
> >- 100% topbar
> >- ok menu
> >- ok fonts
> >
> >if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
> >but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
> >happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.
>
> My 4.08 shows it correctly for just a instant and then changes into that
> image above without resizing. Maybe it's something with my config.

hmm,
<wild stab in the dark>
could you possibly download the html file and the stylesheet
and see if it works locally? maybe reduce the html/css until
it shows relatively ok
</wild stab in the dark>

> Was it decided that the site should or should not have to work in 4.08?

dont think so but i would prefer it works in any ns4+

./allan

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stas at stason

Jan 19, 2002, 11:07 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

allan wrote:

> hello again
>
>
> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>
>
> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast mis-match.
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>
>
> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:

NS4.79/linux

> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?

no

> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%

yes

> - are the menu looking ok

no, the boxes are missing. i.e. not sep lines at all. Including all the
boxes, not only menus.

And the spacing between menu items is huge - like the margin is of the
size of the item.

> - are the fonts ok

I've also checked in Opera5/linux, looks good.

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stas at stason

Jan 19, 2002, 11:14 PM

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> i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
> other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
> stas, thomas?

I did already. Here is the summary:

mozilla 0.9.7 +1
NS 4.79 -0
opera5 +1
konqueror -0
lynx +1
links +1

Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
the same.

-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
not usable.

BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
the right side of the menu.
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moseley at hank

Jan 19, 2002, 11:25 PM

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At 12:56 PM 01/20/02 +0800, allan wrote:
>> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download

>i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.
>
>it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).
>
>- no horizontal scrollbar
>- 100% topbar
>- ok menu
>- ok fonts
>
>if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
>but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
>happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.

My 4.08 shows it correctly for just a instant and then changes into that
image above without resizing. Maybe it's something with my config. Most
sites with style limited style sheets works. Of course the styles that
don't work with 4.08, don't work. MySQL site works fine, but I guess
that's using tables.

Was it decided that the site should or should not have to work in 4.08?

>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>stas, thomas?

mozilla 0.9.7 seems to work ok on Windows. Is the menu suppose to be a box
inside a box?

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stas at stason

Jan 19, 2002, 11:51 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

allan wrote:

> thanks for this ...
>
> Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>>>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>>>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>>>stas, thomas?
>>>
>>I did already. Here is the summary:
>>
>>mozilla 0.9.7 +1
>>NS 4.79 -0
>>opera5 +1
>>konqueror -0
>>lynx +1
>>links +1
>>
>>Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
>>the same.
>>
>>-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
>>not usable.
>>
>>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
>>the right side of the menu.
>>
>
>
> can you possibly upload screenshots to look at?

http://www.apache.org/~stas/snaps/snap-ns4-79.gif

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stas at stason

Jan 19, 2002, 11:52 PM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

Bill Moseley wrote:

> At 12:56 PM 01/20/02 +0800, allan wrote:
>
>>>http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>>>
>
>>i have been checking this on win98, 4.08 too.
>>
>>it works ok here (i.e. the way i expect it).
>>
>>- no horizontal scrollbar
>>- 100% topbar
>>- ok menu
>>- ok fonts
>>
>>if i resize the window, yes, then things will look very bad
>>but this is a known "feature" of the < 6 ns browsers and it
>>happens on every single site wearing a stylesheet.
>>
>
> My 4.08 shows it correctly for just a instant and then changes into that
> image above without resizing. Maybe it's something with my config. Most
> sites with style limited style sheets works. Of course the styles that
> don't work with 4.08, don't work. MySQL site works fine, but I guess
> that's using tables.
>
> Was it decided that the site should or should not have to work in 4.08?

we try to hit the widest range, so if can, yes. how widespread is this
version? 4.79 is out.

>>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>>stas, thomas?
>>
>
> mozilla 0.9.7 seems to work ok on Windows. Is the menu suppose to be a box
> inside a box?

I think it's better if it is not.

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moseley at hank

Jan 19, 2002, 11:58 PM

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At 02:51 PM 01/20/02 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
>http://www.apache.org/~stas/snaps/snap-ns4-79.gif

Hey, I kind of like that simple menu without the lines.

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stas at stason

Jan 20, 2002, 12:10 AM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

Bill Moseley wrote:

> At 02:51 PM 01/20/02 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>>http://www.apache.org/~stas/snaps/snap-ns4-79.gif
>>
>
> Hey, I kind of like that simple menu without the lines.

every bug can be counted as a feature at times :)

Could be that it's better, but the vertical spacing is too big. But I'm
almost sure that if we make the other pages look like this NS will show
it differently again :) or :(

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lambretta at inet

Jan 20, 2002, 12:15 AM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

also found a ns6 bug (when little content)

fixed, i hope, with a space.gif (visible currently)

please retry (maybe it also fixed/broke some other stuff:)..

http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html

./allan

Stas Bekman wrote:
>
> > i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
> > other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
> > stas, thomas?
>
> I did already. Here is the summary:
>
> mozilla 0.9.7 +1
> NS 4.79 -0
> opera5 +1
> konqueror -0
> lynx +1
> links +1
>
> Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
> the same.
>
> -0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
> not usable.
>
> BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
> the right side of the menu.
> _____________________________________________________________________
> Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker
> http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide
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godoy at conectiva

Jan 20, 2002, 5:00 AM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

Stas Bekman <stas [at] stason> writes:

> allan wrote:
>
>> hello again
>> i agree with bill that we are too many cooks ...
>> on the other hand i can not sit still.
>> i have uploaded the following tableless design, a very fast
>> mis-match.
>> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download
>> please take a look and concentrate only on the following:
>
>
> konqueror on linux:
> konqueror -v
> Qt: 2.3.2
> KDE: 2.2.1
> Konqueror: 2.2.1

With Galeon 1.0.2 and using Mozilla's 0.9.7 engine...

>> - does it have a horizontal scrollbar ?
>
> Yup, a huge one! While the content fits into one page, there is 1/2
> more empty page to the right.

It fits OK here. I'm using a 800x600 screen.

>> - does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
>
> yes

It fills the space besides the logo.

>> - are the menu looking ok
>
> yes

Why the item 'Documentation' has a gray background? All the others are
white.

>> - are the fonts ok
>
> yes

Very nice to read.

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stas at stason

Jan 20, 2002, 6:28 AM

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allan wrote:

> also found a ns6 bug (when little content)
>
> fixed, i hope, with a space.gif (visible currently)
>
> please retry (maybe it also fixed/broke some other stuff:)..
>
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html

well, nothing has changed wrt NS4-79 and konqueror

> Stas Bekman wrote:
>
>>>i would very much like if someone near a *nix/mozilla (or
>>>other combination) could confirm that what they see is ok,
>>>stas, thomas?
>>>
>>I did already. Here is the summary:
>>
>>mozilla 0.9.7 +1
>>NS 4.79 -0
>>opera5 +1
>>konqueror -0
>>lynx +1
>>links +1
>>
>>Galeon uses the same rendering engine as mozilla (gecko), so it looks
>>the same.
>>
>>-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
>>not usable.
>>
>>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
>>the right side of the menu.
>>_____________________________________________________________________
>>Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker
>>http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide
>>mailto:stas [at] stason http://ticketmaster.com http://apacheweek.com
>>http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
>>

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lambretta at inet

Jan 20, 2002, 8:30 AM

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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

hi stas

Stas Bekman wrote:
> well, nothing has changed wrt NS4-79 and konqueror

do you know if or can you try to see if box-borders for
<div>-tags are possible at all for ns4.79/linux - this is so
surprising (and annoying) if not possible.

wrt konqueror (horizontal-scrollbar), i simply dont know
this browser at all but i reckon it must have some sort of
css-support, right?

could you possibly try a little with the ugly (and wrapped)
html below?

> >>-0 means that it's usable but bad (I posted the reasons before). -1 is
> >>not usable.

to sum up further this idea of table-less idea:

[
current url:
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html

focusing on the following:
- does it have a horizontal scrollbar?
- does the topbar/titlebar span 100%
- are the menu looking ok
- are the fonts ok

* linux *
mozilla 0.9.7 +1
NS 4.79 -0
opera5 +1
konqueror -0
lynx +1
links +1

* mac 9 *
ns4.79 +1 (well, +0.5)
ie 5.0 +1
opera 5.0 +1
icab -0
ns 6.2 +1

*mac osX*
ie 5.0 +1

*win98*
ns 4.08 +1 (bill disagrees on this)
ie 5.0 +1

*win2k*
ie 6 +1
]

> >>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
> >>the right side of the menu.

if i understand you right we could skip the border around
the menu-box (like on
http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html),
no-one will notice this i guess.

./allan

html follows
___________________

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
div.home {
background-color:#525D76;padding:2px;font-weight:bold;font-size:25px;border:1px;border-style:solid;color:#ffffff;border-color:red;margin-right:0px;font-family:helvetica,
verdana, sans-serif;}
div.leftcont {position:absolute;top:5px;left:5px;width:160px;}
div.menu {border:1px;padding:5px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000066;background-color:#ffffff;width:160px;}
div.notactivenav
{background-color:#ffffff;padding:2px;font-weight:bold;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000000;margin-top:-1px;width:150px;}
div.cbox
{position:absolute;top:5px;left:195px;padding:0px;margin-right:10px;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:green}
</style>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div class='leftcont'>
<div class='menu'>
<div class='notactivenav'><a href="./about/about.html">About</a></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class='cbox'>
<div class='home'>Home</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>

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stas at stason

Jan 20, 2002, 9:58 AM

Post #24 of 24 (1320 views)
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Re: ideas ... [In reply to]

>>well, nothing has changed wrt NS4-79 and konqueror
>
> do you know if or can you try to see if box-borders for
> <div>-tags are possible at all for ns4.79/linux - this is so
> surprising (and annoying) if not possible.

Sorry, I don't know :(

> wrt konqueror (horizontal-scrollbar), i simply dont know
> this browser at all but i reckon it must have some sort of
> css-support, right?

It does, but it seems to be broken. That's the KDE project's browser.

> could you possibly try a little with the ugly (and wrapped)
> html below?

I've tried, I couldn't do anything about NS's problem. With konqueror,
the moment you add some more content that has wrap the horizontal line
shows up.

>>>>BTW, I didn't notice earlier, but on mozilla there is a wider margin on
>>>>the right side of the menu.
>>>>
>
> if i understand you right we could skip the border around
> the menu-box (like on
> http://www.bullitt.suite.dk/div/download/index2.html),
> no-one will notice this i guess.

I was saying that the left margin in the menu box is narrower than the
right one. but sure you proposal is just fine.

> div.leftcont {position:absolute;top:5px;left:5px;width:160px;}
> div.menu {border:1px;padding:5px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000066;background-color:#ffffff;width:160px;}
> div.notactivenav
> {background-color:#ffffff;padding:2px;font-weight:bold;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:#000000;margin-top:-1px;width:150px;}
> div.cbox
> {position:absolute;top:5px;left:195px;padding:0px;margin-right:10px;border:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:green}

All these 160px and similar should be replaced with % I believe. If I
have a very narrow screen, I don't want the menu to take it up. Well you
know what I mean :) Or is there a way to tell, use at most %15 or
something like that?

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