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francisco.diaztrepat at gmail

Jun 14, 2011, 10:08 AM

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Any news on N9 release?

Any Ideas, rumors?

I miss my N900.

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aklapper at openismus

Jun 14, 2011, 10:24 AM

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On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 14:08 -0300, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail wrote:
> Any Ideas, rumors?

Oh please not on this mailing list. Not interested in rumors at all.
Forum is at talk.maemo.org. Plus there's already this thread:
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2011-June/016972.html
You started it yourself, two weeks ago...

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gary at eyetraxx

Jun 15, 2011, 6:25 AM

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http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-maemo-6-device-on-june-21-tips-insider-15159408
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francisco.diaztrepat at gmail

Jun 15, 2011, 7:16 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

Thanks Gary.

f(t)

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:

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> http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-maemo-6-device-on-june-21-tips-insider-15159408
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paul.hartman+maemo at gmail

Jun 21, 2011, 9:39 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail
<francisco.diaztrepat [at] gmail> wrote:
> Any Ideas, rumors?
> I miss my N900.

Well, here it is finally, with the confusing name of N9-00 (not to be
confused with N900), but it's a big disappointment if you ask me:

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/21/introducing-the-nokia-n9-all-it-takes-is-a-swipe/

Other than the 1GB of RAM, I find the hardware to be extremely boring
and lacking any interesting (or even basic) features. It is certainly
not a replacement for my N900.
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gary at eyetraxx

Jun 21, 2011, 11:37 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

No release date or price has been mentioned yet as well...


xavier.bestel at free

Jun 21, 2011, 3:27 PM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 11:39 -0500, Paul Hartman a écrit :
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail
> <francisco.diaztrepat [at] gmail> wrote:
> > Any Ideas, rumors?
> > I miss my N900.
>
> Well, here it is finally, with the confusing name of N9-00 (not to be
> confused with N900), but it's a big disappointment if you ask me

So I ask you: why the disappointment ?

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paul.hartman+maemo at gmail

Jun 21, 2011, 4:03 PM

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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel [at] free> wrote:
> Le mardi 21 juin 2011 11:39 -0500, Paul Hartman a crit :
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail
>> <francisco.diaztrepat [at] gmail> wrote:
>> > Any Ideas, rumors?
>> > I miss my N900.
>>
>> Well, here it is finally, with the confusing name of N9-00 (not to be
>> confused with N900), but it's a big disappointment if you ask me
>
> So I ask you: why the disappointment ?

Primarily: lack of keyboard, lack of SD card slot, lack of adobe
flash, outdated display/CPU/GPU specs compared to other announced
top-of-the-line phones.

I'm not sure about the UI that I've seen in the online previews but
having not used it myself, I can't make an educated evaluation about
it. But, on the surface, it looks more "smartphone" like another
iphone/android/symbian kind of device, which does not interest me. I
prefer more of a desktop experience like Maemo5 provides.

After the leaked photos and video showing silver device with black
keyboard, I had hope that we might get an "improved N900" kind of
form-factor. Unfortunately it seems that device will never be sold.
Too bad.

It seems N9 is not targeted at niche linux geek audience, but trying
to oversimplify for the general user. Maybe that's good strategy for
Nokia in this case (only time will tell), but for me, personally, it's
a big disappointment because I have no interest in a device like that.
I'm a niche linux geek. ;)

N9 has 1 GB of RAM, that's the part I'm most jealous of.
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gary at eyetraxx

Jun 21, 2011, 7:58 PM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

Have they released any photos of the N950? q.v. http://www.anandtech.com/print/4461

The only issue I have with the above article is that their bit about waiting for a "real bona-fide Linux" device. As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et al aren't actually running a Linux kernel.

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karl at karl

Jun 21, 2011, 8:23 PM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-confirmed-for-meego-devs-4-inch-qwerty-slider-21160505/


On 06/21/11 19:58, Gary wrote:
> Have they released any photos of the N950? q.v. http://www.anandtech.com/print/4461
>
> The only issue I have with the above article is that their bit about waiting for a "real bona-fide Linux" device. As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et al aren't actually running a Linux kernel.
>
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xavier.bestel at free

Jun 22, 2011, 5:41 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 20:23 -0700, Karl J. Smith wrote:
> On 06/21/11 19:58, Gary wrote:
> > Have they released any photos of the N950? q.v. http://www.anandtech.com/print/4461
> >
> > The only issue I have with the above article is that their bit about waiting for a "real bona-fide Linux" device. As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et al aren't actually running a Linux kernel.

Thanks all for your insights. I'll pass this one.

Xav


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paul.hartman+maemo at gmail

Jun 22, 2011, 7:23 AM

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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:
> Have they released any photos of the N950? q.v. http://www.anandtech.com/print/4461
>
> The only issue I have with the above article is that their bit about waiting for a "real bona-fide Linux" device. As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et al aren't actually running a Linux kernel.

But all reports are that N950 is not going to be sold, so as far as we
(maemo-users) are concerned, it doesn't exist.
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francisco.diaztrepat at gmail

Jun 22, 2011, 7:26 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

Right

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail
> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:
> > Have they released any photos of the N950? q.v.
> http://www.anandtech.com/print/4461
> >
> > The only issue I have with the above article is that their bit about
> waiting for a "real bona-fide Linux" device. As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et
> al aren't actually running a Linux kernel.
>
> But all reports are that N950 is not going to be sold, so as far as we
> (maemo-users) are concerned, it doesn't exist.
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galtsev at kicp

Jun 22, 2011, 8:51 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

One thing I really would object is lining up googloids (androids) with
really open source maemo. Googloids have a big piece of kernel which is
closed code. This part is neither documented nor otherwise described as to
what that is doing on "your" device. Therefore, I personally consider all
googloids (as well as other derivatives of open source systems/kernels:
apple to mention one) NOT open source systems.

This objection is highly motivated by the thought I repeat after a clever
person: security can only be where the source code is open (therefore:
only open source systems are thrust worthy).

Sorry for speaking in dissonance with others. Someone had to say that...

Valeri
On Wed, June 22, 2011 9:26 am, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail wrote:
> Right
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Paul Hartman
> <paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail
>> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:
>> > Have they released any photos of the N950? q.v.
>> http://www.anandtech.com/print/4461
>> >
>> > The only issue I have with the above article is that their bit about
>> waiting for a "real bona-fide Linux" device. As if MeeGo, Maemo,
>> Android, et
>> al aren't actually running a Linux kernel.
>>
>> But all reports are that N950 is not going to be sold, so as far as we
>> (maemo-users) are concerned, it doesn't exist.
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vivainio at gmail

Jun 22, 2011, 12:22 PM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail> wrote:

> But all reports are that N950 is not going to be sold, so as far as we
> (maemo-users) are concerned, it doesn't exist.

Well, developers with app projects have a shot at acquiring one.
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paul.hartman+maemo at gmail

Jun 22, 2011, 3:52 PM

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Paul Hartman
> <paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>> But all reports are that N950 is not going to be sold, so as far as we
>> (maemo-users) are concerned, it doesn't exist.
>
> Well, developers with app projects have a shot at acquiring one.

Hopefully some of them will end up on eBay or Craigslist (wink wink)
so the other 99.9% of us who are not public mobile app developers can
have a chance, too. :)
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gary at eyetraxx

Jun 22, 2011, 9:30 PM

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On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:

> Hopefully some of them will end up on eBay or Craigslist (wink wink) so the other 99.9% of us who are not public mobile app developers can have a chance, too. :)

From what I saw, there weren't that many available. But I imagine ambitious porting efforts might be considered as well.

-Gary

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francisco.diaztrepat at gmail

Jun 22, 2011, 9:37 PM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

I could not agree more, this phrase is getting old, but I find Paul
describes my thoughts exactly (actually in a more precise and with a
witty style)

LOL @ clear intentions

Could it be possible to mass collect money from meamo core community
and ask some Chinese factory to build us devices on which maemo could
be installed?

I promise half my Lottery money as soon as I win. :-)

Although some Go Language community fellow once told me Lottery is a
tax on people who don't understands Statistics nor Math. I'll prove
him wrong though.... >_>

COME ON NOKIA

f(t)

On 6/22/11, Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio [at] gmail> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Paul Hartman
>> <paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail> wrote:
>>
>>> But all reports are that N950 is not going to be sold, so as far as we
>>> (maemo-users) are concerned, it doesn't exist.
>>
>> Well, developers with app projects have a shot at acquiring one.
>
> Hopefully some of them will end up on eBay or Craigslist (wink wink)
> so the other 99.9% of us who are not public mobile app developers can
> have a chance, too. :)
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gary at eyetraxx

Jun 26, 2011, 11:49 PM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

By the way, you can apply here for an N950;
https://meego.com/community/device-program/devices/nokia-n9-devkit


nils.faerber at kernelconcepts

Jul 1, 2011, 7:53 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

Am 23.06.2011 06:37, schrieb Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail:
> I could not agree more, this phrase is getting old, but I find Paul
> describes my thoughts exactly (actually in a more precise and with a
> witty style)
>
> LOL @ clear intentions
>
> Could it be possible to mass collect money from meamo core community
> and ask some Chinese factory to build us devices on which maemo could
> be installed?

Well - as always also this medal has two sides.

While I would clearly support such an effort (like OpenPandora but to
make a phone ;) I would raise a concern about porting Maemo - to get a
similar user experience as it can be found on the N900 there are still
some closed source components that would need to be freed before it can
be ported.

But I see that there is a lot of frustration now in the Maemo community
and also within other open source mobile hackers (the latter are already
frustrated for much longer).

I am 100% convinced that once a significant amount of money would be
available to buy a significant number of devices a manufacturer or
design house could be found which would open the design - effectively
one would buy the design.
But I would guess that the number of devices would have to be in the
realm of almost 100k which we will most likely not reach.

For the time being we can support the GTA04 effort:
http://www.gta04.org/

> I promise half my Lottery money as soon as I win. :-)
>
> Although some Go Language community fellow once told me Lottery is a
> tax on people who don't understands Statistics nor Math. I'll prove
> him wrong though.... >_>
>
> COME ON NOKIA

I think relying on Nokia is a dead end - we can not expect anything from
them anymore (with which I do not mean the people inside Nokia! They are
probably even more frustrated than we are.).


For me speaking though the N9 is tempting and I would really very much
like to play with it I will quite definitely not buy, mostly for pure
political reasons, I do not want to support Nokia any more (which I
really do not lightheartedly. I had the highest respect for Nokia but
their recent business moves are 100% against my belief and the only
possibility for me as consumer to raise a voice against a big business
is by not buying their products).

> f(t)
Cheers
nils


> On 6/22/11, Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio [at] gmail> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Paul Hartman
>>> <paul.hartman+maemo [at] gmail> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But all reports are that N950 is not going to be sold, so as far as we
>>>> (maemo-users) are concerned, it doesn't exist.
>>>
>>> Well, developers with app projects have a shot at acquiring one.
>>
>> Hopefully some of them will end up on eBay or Craigslist (wink wink)
>> so the other 99.9% of us who are not public mobile app developers can
>> have a chance, too. :)
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vivainio at gmail

Jul 1, 2011, 9:19 AM

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Re: Any news on N9 release? [In reply to]

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Nils Faerber
<nils.faerber [at] kernelconcepts> wrote:

> I think relying on Nokia is a dead end - we can not expect anything from
> them anymore (with which I do not mean the people inside Nokia! They are

Apart from funding 99.9% of Qt development.
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Jul 1, 2011, 10:12 AM

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Am 01.07.2011 18:19, schrieb Ville M. Vainio:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Nils Faerber
> <nils.faerber [at] kernelconcepts> wrote:
>
>> I think relying on Nokia is a dead end - we can not expect anything from
>> them anymore (with which I do not mean the people inside Nokia! They are
>
> Apart from funding 99.9% of Qt development.

First of all I said "expect" - this funding is already there so it
nothing to expect anymore ;) OK, read "not expect" as "not expect more".

But also for this funding I would *expect* that they will try to get rid
of it as much as possible since Qt is not a strategic platform for them
anymore - at least not to the extend as it was planned at the time
acquiring Trolltech. It started with outsourcing the professional
services (or what it was called) already and I wouldn't be too surprised
if they would sell Qt altogether again.

I even can understand this and I am not blaming them! It is a perfectly
legal and logic business decision. But it does not help the fact that
Linux-mobile, be it Qt or whatever based, is not a business at Nokia any
more. And Nokia being a business "limits" the potential support you can
expect from them for things not creating revenue.

Cheers
nils

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Jul 1, 2011, 10:38 AM

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:41, Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel [at] free> wrote:
> As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et al aren't actually running a Linux kernel.

Linux kernel is only half the story.

If I understood the explanation given to me some time ago, Android is
very restricted in the sense of the APIs available to the developer.
You don´t have X11 or other things you expect
on a Linux system, at least without deeply hacking into it which most
end-user consumers won´t do.

Just my $0.02
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Jul 1, 2011, 10:46 AM

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googloids/androids have a big chunk of kernel which is closed source, and
it is nowhere documented/published what it does on "your" device.

So, neither of googloids are open source, for that reason I also exclude
these kernels from my list of linux kernels.

Just my $0.02

Valeri

On Fri, July 1, 2011 12:38 pm, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:41, Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel [at] free>
> wrote:
>> As if MeeGo, Maemo, Android, et al aren't actually running a Linux
>> kernel.
>
> Linux kernel is only half the story.
>
> If I understood the explanation given to me some time ago, Android is
> very restricted in the sense of the APIs available to the developer.
> You don´t have X11 or other things you expect
> on a Linux system, at least without deeply hacking into it which most
> end-user consumers won´t do.
>
> Just my $0.02
> FC
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gary at eyetraxx

Jul 3, 2011, 2:37 PM

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On Fri, Jul 1, 2011, Valeri Galtsev wrote:

> googloids/androids have a big chunk of kernel which is closed source, and
> it is nowhere documented/published what it does on "your" device.
>

It's not as if all Maemo/Meego products are non-proprietary. For example,
there are many N8X0 drivers that were closed source as there's been a
project to get some of that corrected since that generation's hardware has
been abandoned; http://elinux.org/N800

But if you're looking for a platform free of binary blobs, etc., then you
may wish to use Trisquel for the desktop. There's an LXDE "mini" distro
that's good for netbooks but I don't know of any modern tablets that it will
run on -- but then I haven't had the desire to research it. The Openmoko
project has struggled along and released some hardware and cancelled several
others. And they might have lasted longer if all the GNU zealots had banded
together and put their money where their mouths are.

-Gary

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