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gary at eyetraxx

Aug 25, 2009, 7:15 AM

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Nokia netbook

I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm

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booiiing at gmail

Aug 25, 2009, 7:23 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)

that would be awesome!
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news at maddler

Aug 25, 2009, 7:24 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

I think there are two factors:

1) People will find more comfortable with a known interface.
2) Commercial agreements.

I'd like to have the choice among Windows or Linux. Some vendors will
let you choose your OS. Some won't.

On 25/08/2009 16:15, Gary wrote:
> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
>
> -Gary
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kenneth at loafman

Aug 25, 2009, 7:47 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

booiiing wrote:
> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
>
> that would be awesome!

Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?

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Aug 25, 2009, 8:04 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote:
> booiiing wrote:
>> 2009/8/25 Gary<gary [at] eyetraxx>:
>>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
>>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
>>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
>> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
>>
>> that would be awesome!
>
> Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?

Getting a refund for unused OEM Windows license is almost a mirage.

>
> ...Ken
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Aug 25, 2009, 8:12 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kenneth Loafman<kenneth [at] loafman> wrote:

>> that would be awesome!
>
> Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?
>
> ...Ken

It's the IBM OS/2 story all over again.... a company that doesn't have
faith in its own OS is a company doomed to FAIL in the software space.

In the case of IBM, you had a division (IBM Software) with an
excellent piece of software (32-bit OS/2 2.x - Warp 3.x-4.x) and the
rest of the company in bed with Microsoft (specially the IBM PC Co.
and Lotus in charge of "fake war hero" Jeff Papows). So the first
battle IBM software had to do was convincing the rest of the company
on the virtues of its software.

In the case of Nokia, you have a good OS (Maemo) that could run across
the whole range of the firms' devices, yet the top managers and the
"rest of the company" are not sold on the virtues of having its own
OS, much less on the faith in open source software.

Do you see Microsoft isntalling a non-Microsoft OS on its systems? NO.
Do you see Apple vouching the "ease of use" virtues of Windwows Vista
or Seven? NO.
Yet, we do see the likes of Palm shipping Windows Mobile devices and
Nokia shipping a Windows based Netbook.

That speaks volumes about the fath of Nokia on its own OS's merits....

"Market share" my *ss. If it was for market share alone Apple would be
selling Windows systems... and Sun Microsystems would be promoting
Windows Server instead of OpenSolaris...

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anidel at gmail

Aug 25, 2009, 8:18 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

I strongly believe Maemo will be a direct competitor to Google Chrome
OS WHEN it'll be ready for a netbook form factor device.

They had (for whatever reason [may be test the market?]) to release a
netbook, but neither Symbian nor Maemo were ready for it. So why
wonder?

Maemo will be an OS that can run from a phone up to a netbook. But "will".

Aniello

2009/8/25 William Maddler <news [at] maddler>:
> On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote:
>> booiiing wrote:
>>> 2009/8/25 Gary<gary [at] eyetraxx>:
>>>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
>>>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
>>>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
>>> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
>>>
>>> that would be awesome!
>>
>> Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?
>
> Getting a refund for unused OEM Windows license is almost a mirage.
>
>>
>> ...Ken
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farrisg at shaw

Aug 25, 2009, 8:24 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 17:04 +0200, William Maddler wrote:
> On 25/08/2009 16:47, Kenneth Loafman wrote:
> > booiiing wrote:
> >> 2009/8/25 Gary<gary [at] eyetraxx>:
> >>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
> >>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
> >>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
> >> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
> >>
> >> that would be awesome!
> >
> > Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?
>
> Getting a refund for unused OEM Windows license is almost a mirage.

Really, this makes no sense. Why not wait until Linux is available and
in the mean time write Nokia and tell them why you aren't going to buy
their product until such time. Probably more effective.

Basically, don't reward them by buying their product first.

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Aug 25, 2009, 8:55 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafman<kenneth [at] loafman> wrote:
> booiiing wrote:
>> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
>>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
>>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
>>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
>> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
>>
>> that would be awesome!
>
> Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?
>
> ...Ken

On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo
and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full
range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI
any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the
customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with
development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc.
all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys.
Don't bother with the "special" netbook kernel, it causes a lot more
problems than it solves.

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antoniodicello at libero

Aug 25, 2009, 9:13 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

Hi,
in the spot video booklet 3g the new netbook nokia is presented with windows. But I personally prefer the combination of opensource software Ubuntu + Maemo.

For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the specifications of new booklet3G : http://rafanto.net/booklet-3g-ecco-il-netbook-nokia/

bye
Rafanto - Antonio Di Cello

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafman<kenneth [at] loafman> wrote:
> > booiiing wrote:
> >> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
> >>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
> >>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
> >>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
> >> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
> >>
> >> that would be awesome!
> >
> > Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?
> >
> > ...Ken
>
> On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo
> and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full
> range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI
> any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the
> customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with
> development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc.
> all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys.
> Don't bother with the "special" netbook kernel, it causes a lot more
> problems than it solves.
>
> Mark
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gary at eyetraxx

Aug 25, 2009, 10:22 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

Antonio Di Cello wrote:
> For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the specifications of new booklet3G

The Guardian has more speculation on the hardware specs.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sXsDARYcytKh_ev4Q2pP53Q/view.m?id=158147&tid=120787

My guess is that they're trying to get some attention before Apple
releases their touch screen tablet. I have used WIndows 7 extensively on
a seven year old notebook which is about on par with most current net
books (aside from the larger screen). It is much more usable than Vista
was on the same system but I still prefer to boot in to U-lite -- a
custom Ubuntu distribution that runs better on less powerful hardware
than any of the official Ubuntu spin-offs. Aside from that, there are
plenty of other distributions that Nokia could have chosen as there have
been several window manager and desktop projects over the years that
sufficiently emulate the Windows look and feel to ease users in to the
UI. The OS/2 vs Windows comparison is an interesting one. Maybe Nokia
will hire David Cutler to help finish freemantle. ;)

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fcassia at gmail

Aug 25, 2009, 10:27 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Stephen
Gadsby<stephen.gadsby [at] gmail> wrote:

>> Microsoft hires an advertising firm, surely.
>
> Showing they'll use an appropriate tool for a job and not kill
> themselves with NIH.

My point in the end was that one of the several reasons of microsoft's
market dominance is that WINDOWS is their "internal software religion"

Everything they do is aimed at increasing Windows' market
share.

I wish other firms realized that and stopped giving Microsoft a hand
by shipping Windows-based devices...

FC
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Aug 25, 2009, 10:31 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is there a
working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the ARM version
for the tablets.

This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight has been
given to the fact that Nokia has just within the past three months announced
major partnerships with both Intel and Microsoft. I don't see it as
surprising that a corporate-focused booklet would choose this platform.

And remember, the N900 is coming out. The OS/2 comparison is interesting,
and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the "hobbyist" arena. But i
think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as the laptop and phone continue
to merge into a new hybrid device (of which netbooks and internet tablets
are early forays into this class of device.

K

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:

> Antonio Di Cello wrote:
> > For italian maemo/nokia user I post on my blog the news ad the
> specifications of new booklet3G
>
> The Guardian has more speculation on the hardware specs.
>
> http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sXsDARYcytKh_ev4Q2pP53Q/view.m?id=158147&tid=120787
>
> My guess is that they're trying to get some attention before Apple
> releases their touch screen tablet. I have used WIndows 7 extensively on
> a seven year old notebook which is about on par with most current net
> books (aside from the larger screen). It is much more usable than Vista
> was on the same system but I still prefer to boot in to U-lite -- a
> custom Ubuntu distribution that runs better on less powerful hardware
> than any of the official Ubuntu spin-offs. Aside from that, there are
> plenty of other distributions that Nokia could have chosen as there have
> been several window manager and desktop projects over the years that
> sufficiently emulate the Windows look and feel to ease users in to the
> UI. The OS/2 vs Windows comparison is an interesting one. Maybe Nokia
> will hire David Cutler to help finish freemantle. ;)
>
> -Gary
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wolfmane at gmail

Aug 25, 2009, 10:52 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Kevin T.
Neely<ktneely [at] astroturfgarden> wrote:
> There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook.� Is there a
> working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips?� I only know of the ARM version
> for the tablets.
>
> This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight has been
> given to the fact that Nokia has just within the past three months announced
> major partnerships with both Intel and Microsoft.� I don't see it as
> surprising that a corporate-focused booklet would choose this platform.
>
> And remember, the N900 is coming out.� The OS/2 comparison is interesting,
> and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the "hobbyist" arena.� But i
> think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as the laptop and phone continue
> to merge into a new hybrid device (of which netbooks and internet tablets
> are early forays into this class of device.
>
> K
>

If they put Maemo on a netbook then there's really no excuse for not
backporting Freemantle to the N8x0 series. At least with the tablets
the interface doesn't have to be completely replaced, only a few
hardware drivers. And no, what works on a 4" screen is NOT appropriate
for a 7" or larger screen and vice-versa. Frankly, I don't like the
direction that GUIs are taking in general. Everybody is hopping on the
Apple bandwagon of having to scroll through miles or pages of random
icons instead of much quicker and more functional nested lists. Style
over substance...

Mark
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gary at eyetraxx

Aug 25, 2009, 10:55 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

Kevin T. Neely wrote:
> There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is
> there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of
> the ARM version for the tablets.

Not that I'm aware of.

> This was partially mentioned above, but I don't think enough weight
> has been given to the fact that Nokia has just within the past three
> months announced major partnerships with both Intel and Microsoft. I
> don't see it as surprising that a corporate-focused booklet would
> choose this platform.

I don't have any qualms with the Atom processor as an energy efficient
device but I've never been fond of Intel's business practices (their
dealings with the OLPC project are only one of many). Also, I don't
really see that Nokia are marketing the Booklet 3G as a corporate platform.

q.v. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/mini-laptop and
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/24/nokia-booklet-3g-mini-laptop-unveiled

> And remember, the N900 is coming out. The OS/2 comparison is
> interesting, and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the
> "hobbyist" arena. But i think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as
> the laptop and phone continue to merge into a new hybrid device (of
> which netbooks and internet tablets are early forays into this class
> of device.

And the N97 handset has already released based on Symbian OS 9.4 and
Series 60 v5 UI running on the ARM 11 proc. I guess I don't see what
they have to gain by moving in to the already overcrowded "Wintel" market.

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Aug 25, 2009, 10:58 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

Kevin T. Neely a �crit :
> There's a lot of talk that Nokia should release a Maemo netbook. Is
> there a working port of Maemo to Intel-based chips? I only know of the
> ARM version for the tablets.

The Scratchbox tool used into Maemo already support x86 processors. And
Linux certainly support most, if not all Intel, chipset used in netboot
today. So Maemo in a Intel netbook will probably no be a nightmare to
do. I think that a screen resolution other than the 800x480 (that exists
since the N770) will be the biggest problem for most applications.

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Aug 25, 2009, 11:00 AM

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:55:38AM -0600, Mark wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafman<kenneth [at] loafman> wrote:
> > booiiing wrote:
> >> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
> >>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
> >>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
> >>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
> >> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
> >>
> >> that would be awesome!
> >
> > Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from Windows?
> >
> > ...Ken
>
> On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo
> and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full
> range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI
> any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the
> customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with
> development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc.
> all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys.
> Don't bother with the "special" netbook kernel, it causes a lot more
> problems than it solves.

I installed Debian on my eeepc with a special kernel, as documented on
Debians eeepc pages. Works like a charm.

-- hendrik

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ktneely at astroturfgarden

Aug 25, 2009, 11:31 AM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the corporate
commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate email being first
in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment they were going after.

I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be too
difficult and that we'll see one soon after launch. Maybe even from some
Linux hobbyists from within Nokia in the same way Sony releases unsupported
versions for the Playstation. That would satisfy me.

K

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:

> Kevin T. Neely wrote:
>
> I don't have any qualms with the Atom processor as an energy efficient
> device but I've never been fond of Intel's business practices (their
> dealings with the OLPC project are only one of many). Also, I don't
> really see that Nokia are marketing the Booklet 3G as a corporate platform.
>
> q.v. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/mini-laptop and
>
> http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/24/nokia-booklet-3g-mini-laptop-unveiled
>
> > And remember, the N900 is coming out. The OS/2 comparison is
> > interesting, and it may well be that Maemo stays firmly in the
> > "hobbyist" arena. But i think we will see Maemo take a bigger role as
> > the laptop and phone continue to merge into a new hybrid device (of
> > which netbooks and internet tablets are early forays into this class
> > of device.
>
> And the N97 handset has already released based on Symbian OS 9.4 and
> Series 60 v5 UI running on the ARM 11 proc. I guess I don't see what
> they have to gain by moving in to the already overcrowded "Wintel" market.
>
> -Gary
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ove.nordstrom at gmail

Aug 25, 2009, 2:11 PM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

I wondering if the Nokia Netbook is a touch screen tablet?
If not, is it really possible to run Maemo 5 on it?
/ove

2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
>
> -Gary
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Aug 25, 2009, 2:12 PM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

It's not touchscreen, but I believe Maemo can be controlled via mouse &
keyboard.

K

2009/8/25 Ove Nordstr�m <ove.nordstrom [at] gmail>

> I wondering if the Nokia Netbook is a touch screen tablet?
> If not, is it really possible to run Maemo 5 on it?
> /ove
>
> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
> > I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
> > is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
> > simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
> >
> > -Gary
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gary at eyetraxx

Aug 25, 2009, 2:21 PM

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Re: Nokia netbook [In reply to]

Kevin T. Neely wrote:
> I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the
> corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate
> email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment
> they were going after.
That's just Microsoft ActiveSync and it's no real feat if they're just
using Microsoft clients. They may also be licensing ActiveSync for any
Nokia developed apps but that's just guesswork on my part.

>
> I suspect an Ubuntu or other Linux port to this booklet would not be
> too difficult and that we'll see one soon after launch. Maybe even
> from some Linux hobbyists from within Nokia in the same way Sony
> releases unsupported versions for the Playstation. That would satisfy me.

The catch will be whether they release drivers for the HSPA broadband
chipset ...

-Gary
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Aug 25, 2009, 2:35 PM

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:

> Kevin T. Neely wrote:
> > I just recall a good bit of the video's focus was aimed at the
> > corporate commuter types (so-called VPN-less connection to corporate
> > email being first in my mind), so I thought that was a market segment
> > they were going after.
> That's just Microsoft ActiveSync and it's no real feat if they're just
> using Microsoft clients. They may also be licensing ActiveSync for any
> Nokia developed apps but that's just guesswork on my part.
>

Actually, it's a new MSFT technology called DirectConnect (or DirectAccess
or something like that) that is basically a multi-path IPv6 IPSEC tunnel. I
guess they can say "no VPN needed" because it only goes to the corp network
when it needs to, but this seems to be really splitting hairs and I think of
it as a VPN.

It supports multi-factor authentication (of course, this will kill the
seamless nature) so I would bet this will replace the MS PPTP solution.

It requires MS Direct Connect server and something on the client end (just
MS Windows, I think) for it to work. Though, if it is just IPSEC, I guess
other clients could connect to it.

PPTP needs to be replaced, so this looks nice. Seeing as my company has its
own VPN solution, I doubt we will be deploying this.

K

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Aug 25, 2009, 3:37 PM

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booiiing <booiiing [at] gmail> writes:

> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that Sony
>> is weak in the mobile device market is not only unprofessional, it's
>> simply untrue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
>
> that would be awesome! _______________________________________________

First of all, from my understanding the maemo UI is created for small
devices with small screens.

Also, 10 inch netbook is a "real" computer. Why would I use maemo on it
if I can use a normal linux distribution on it like Debian?!

Maemo's point is to be a substitute of a real distribution because of
the hardware limitations like small screens and weak processing
capabilities.

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Aug 25, 2009, 3:41 PM

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Mark <wolfmane [at] gmail> writes:

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth Loafman<kenneth [at] loafman>
> wrote:
>> booiiing wrote:
>>> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
>>>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that
>>>> Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only
>>>> unprofessional, it's simply untrue.
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
>>> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
>>> that would be awesome!
>> Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from
>> Windows?
>> ...Ken
>
> On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and Maemo
> and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get the full
> range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set up the GUI
> any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the
> customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues with
> development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth, webcam etc.
> all worked out of the box, as do the most important function keys.
> Don't bother with the "special" netbook kernel, it causes a lot more
> problems than it solves.

Fully agree. I don't understand why would somebody use maemo when they
could be using Ubuntu for instance. To make it clear a comparison: why
use Windows Mobile on a netbook if you can run Windows XP ?

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Aug 25, 2009, 3:41 PM

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hendrik [at] topoi writes:

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 09:55:38AM -0600, Mark wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kenneth
>> Loafman<kenneth [at] loafman> wrote:
>> > booiiing wrote:
>> >> 2009/8/25 Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx>:
>> >>> I wonder why they chose Windows over Linux. And suggesting that
>> >>> Sony is weak in the mobile device market is not only
>> >>> unprofessional, it's simply untrue.
>> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/mobile/technology/8219005.stm
>> >> i say at most 3 months and maemo will be available for it :)
>> >> that would be awesome!
>> > Wonder if Nokia will honor a refund if you swap to Maemo from
>> > Windows?
>> > ...Ken
>> On a netbook you would be better off skipping both Windows and
>> Maemo and going straight to Ubuntu (or kubuntu as I have). You get
>> the full range of ubuntu apps with no interface issues and can set
>> up the GUI any way you want: Gnome, KDE, Netbook Remix, and all the
>> customizeability you could want. You also would have zero issues
>> with development environment, etc. For me, the WiFi, bluetooth,
>> webcam etc. all worked out of the box, as do the most important
>> function keys. Don't bother with the "special" netbook kernel, it
>> causes a lot more problems than it solves.
>
> I installed Debian on my eeepc with a special kernel, as documented on
> Debians eeepc pages. Works like a charm.

Although, it seems that Debian EEE pc project is over...

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