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wolfmane at gmail

Jun 24, 2009, 2:11 PM

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Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Quim Gil<quim.gil [at] nokia> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Maemo users interested in this thread will surely be interested in
>
> Intel and Nokia agreement on New tablets collaboration
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29825
>
> and even
>
> Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29816
>
>
> --
> Quim Gil
> open source advocate
> Maemo Devices @ Nokia
>

One of the threads mentions an "N900", which somebody has mentioned on
this list before. I was curious, so I googled it.

I would actually reconsider my previous stance and maybe even buy the
"N900" if the specs in these links are accurate:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/25/nokia-n900-rover-tablet-gets-pictured-specd/
http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/article/nokia-n900-79259
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/
http://www.nokian900.com/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-rumors/#more-15
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-rover-internet-tablet-details-leak-2644704/

However, $750 and and/or a smaller screen would be showstoppers for
me. Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement
for me. If they can't get the price to netbook levels or less, it's
highly unlikely that a single soul will buy them. I think that's been
the major issue with the tablets in the past: considering the
features, the price is way above everybody's threshold until about the
time the new model comes out, making the old one (depending on one's
viewpoint) obsolete.

...but I strongly suspect that those "leaked" specs are all somebody's fantasy.

And I think it's highly unlikely that it will be released in the next
few weeks (they're saying July 2009), or even this summer. Next spring
would be much easier to believe.

Mark
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peter.flynn at mars

Jun 24, 2009, 4:02 PM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

Mark wrote:
> However, $750 and and/or a smaller screen would be showstoppers for
> me.

That price would be a showstopper for anyone, even if included GPS and
an accelerometer. That's well over three times the going rate for a
pocket device.

> Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement
> for me.

I'd rather not. I already have a perfectly working phone, and I don't
want to combine phone and PDA: you look such a prat trying to work a
spreadsheet while trying to make a call, or wearing one of those zomboid
BT earpieces. Mais chacun a son gout.

> If they can't get the price to netbook levels or less, it's highly
> unlikely that a single soul will buy them. I think that's been the
> major issue with the tablets in the past: considering the features,
> the price is way above everybody's threshold until about the time the
> new model comes out, making the old one (depending on one's
> viewpoint) obsolete.

Yep. €150-€200 is the max the market will pay for this here. Maybe in
the USA where there is more disposable income it could go higher.

> ...but I strongly suspect that those "leaked" specs are all somebody's fantasy.

I think the GPS and accelerometer probably are.

> And I think it's highly unlikely that it will be released in the next
> few weeks (they're saying July 2009), or even this summer. Next spring
> would be much easier to believe.

It's already the end of June. Anyway, I'm not yet in the market for an
upgrade at that price: the N800 cost me an ARM and a leg and it's
working just fine.

And certainly not with some daft cellphone deal like the iPhone that
ties you to a single supplier at a massive markup.

///Peter
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qole.tablet at gmail

Jun 24, 2009, 4:14 PM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

Feel free to add your thoughts about the N900 rumours to the 1325+ posts on
the "N900 specs revealed" thread over on talk.maemo.org. Every tiny detail
about the leak has been discussed for pages and pages, including possible
price, screen size, dpad (or lack thereof), keyboard, phone capability (or
lack thereof), interspersed with hundreds of posts saying, "Wow, Nokia! It's
about time!" or "How could you, Nokia! I'll never buy one!"

There's even a couple cameo appearances by Nokia employees!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Mark <wolfmane [at] gmail> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Quim Gil<quim.gil [at] nokia> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Maemo users interested in this thread will surely be interested in
> >
> > Intel and Nokia agreement on New tablets collaboration
> > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29825
> >
> > and even
> >
> > Nokia launches a Netbook in 2011 ?
> > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29816
> >
> >
> > --
> > Quim Gil
> > open source advocate
> > Maemo Devices @ Nokia
> >
>
> One of the threads mentions an "N900", which somebody has mentioned on
> this list before. I was curious, so I googled it.
>
> I would actually reconsider my previous stance and maybe even buy the
> "N900" if the specs in these links are accurate:
>
>
> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/25/nokia-n900-rover-tablet-gets-pictured-specd/
> http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/article/nokia-n900-79259
>
> http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/
> http://www.nokian900.com/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-rumors/#more-15
>
> http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-rover-internet-tablet-details-leak-2644704/
>
> However, $750 and and/or a smaller screen would be showstoppers for
> me. Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement
> for me. If they can't get the price to netbook levels or less, it's
> highly unlikely that a single soul will buy them. I think that's been
> the major issue with the tablets in the past: considering the
> features, the price is way above everybody's threshold until about the
> time the new model comes out, making the old one (depending on one's
> viewpoint) obsolete.
>
> ...but I strongly suspect that those "leaked" specs are all somebody's
> fantasy.
>
> And I think it's highly unlikely that it will be released in the next
> few weeks (they're saying July 2009), or even this summer. Next spring
> would be much easier to believe.
>
> Mark
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and imaginative person."

ktneely at astroturfgarden

Jun 24, 2009, 4:17 PM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Peter Flynn <peter.flynn [at] mars>wrote:

> Mark wrote:
> > Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement
> > for me.
>
> I'd rather not. I already have a perfectly working phone, and I don't
> want to combine phone and PDA: you look such a prat trying to work a
>

Many of the points made are good ones, but to each his own on this one.
Personally, I am 100% behind convergence for my pocket devices. I don't
want to carry more than one. I may look like a "prat" with my
microphone-equipped earbuds plugged into my phone, but no more than any
other person listening to music, or really anyone walking down the street
with one hand held against their head. These days, those people look
stranger to me than ones that have their hands free.

> > ...but I strongly suspect that those "leaked" specs are all somebody's
> fantasy.
>
> I think the GPS and accelerometer probably are.
>

I doubt it. The N810 already has GPS in it, and Nokia is shipping both of
these items (and more) with devices that are fully subsidized.

I wouldn't want the N900 to only come as a subsidized option, but I would
like to see it in both subsdized (carrier-tied) models and fully open ones.
Choice is always good.

K

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http://rubbernecking.info

wolfmane at gmail

Jun 24, 2009, 4:17 PM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Qole<qole.tablet [at] gmail> wrote:
> Feel free to add your thoughts about the N900 rumours to the 1325+ posts on
> the "N900 specs revealed" thread over on talk.maemo.org. Every tiny detail
> about the leak has been discussed for pages and pages, including possible
> price, screen size, dpad (or lack thereof), keyboard, phone capability (or
> lack thereof), interspersed with hundreds of posts saying, "Wow, Nokia! It's
> about time!" or "How could you, Nokia! I'll never buy one!"
>
> There's even a couple cameo appearances by Nokia employees!
>
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151
>

So can somebody just answer one reasonable question: When will a Maemo
5 device be announced?

Mark
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wolfmane at gmail

Jun 24, 2009, 4:32 PM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Kevin T.
Neely<ktneely [at] astroturfgarden> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Peter Flynn <peter.flynn [at] mars>
> wrote:
>>
>> Mark wrote:
>> > Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement
>> > for me.
>>
>> I'd rather not. I already have a perfectly working phone, and I don't
>> want to combine phone and PDA: you look such a prat trying to work a
>
>
> Many of the points made are good ones, but to each his own on this one.
> Personally, I am 100% behind convergence for my pocket devices. I don't
> want to carry more than one. I may look like a "prat" with my
> microphone-equipped earbuds plugged into my phone, but no more than any
> other person listening to music, or really anyone walking down the street
> with one hand held against their head. These days, those people look
> stranger to me than ones that have their hands free.
>

I'm going to backpedal: I could live without voice if the price were
reasonable enough. However, I probably will only be able to afford a
subsidized model. Hopefully once the contract was over it could be
unlocked. Regardless, as long as it could be tethered to a(nother)
phone it's probably not much of an issue for me.

>>
>> > ...but I strongly suspect that those "leaked" specs are all somebody's
>> > fantasy.
>>
>> I think the GPS and accelerometer probably are.
>
> I doubt it. The N810 already has GPS in it, and Nokia is shipping both of
> these items (and more) with devices that are fully subsidized.
>
Those are actually the features most likely to be real. Voice is
probably the least likely, along with the 5 MP camera.
>
> I wouldn't want the N900 to only come as a subsidized option, but I would
> like to see it in both subsdized (carrier-tied) models and fully open ones.
> Choice is always good.
>
> K
>
> --
> In Vino Veritas
> http://rubbernecking.info
>

"Hope springs eternal", I guess. I'm just hoping the IT form factor
isn't dead and that new devices will mostly be more powerful along
with only a couple of added features. I still prefer the two
full-sized SD slots over the physical keyboard, but I suppose I'm
enough in the minority that there will never be an actual N800
replacement.

I guess the reason I found this so interesting is because the previous
talk led me to believe that there would be no more actual IT devices
from Nokia, only smartphones and iPod Touch-like devices. Sorry for
wasting bandwidth on something that has apparently been overly-well
discussed on talk.maemo.org.

Mark
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Doc at DocHarley

Jun 25, 2009, 8:19 AM

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RE: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

From my perspective, I have no problems combining as long as the screen size
isn't reduced. I like a big screen for spreadsheets, etc. but don't want to
get something as large as the Sony Vaio (which I bought for my wife). I
currently have the N800 (bought it when it first came out) and N810 (which I
bought around this time last year). I'm happy with the 810 but would
consider something else if the Internet speed were faster, the processor
faster, and there's more internal memory.

Nick.

From: maemo-users-bounces [at] maemo [mailto:maemo-users-bounces [at] maemo]
On Behalf Of Kevin T. Neely
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:17 PM
To: Peter Flynn
Cc: maemo-users
Subject: Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Peter Flynn <peter.flynn [at] mars>
wrote:

Mark wrote:

> Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement
> for me.

I'd rather not. I already have a perfectly working phone, and I don't
want to combine phone and PDA: you look such a prat trying to work a

Many of the points made are good ones, but to each his own on this one.
Personally, I am 100% behind convergence for my pocket devices. I don't
want to carry more than one. I may look like a "prat" with my
microphone-equipped earbuds plugged into my phone, but no more than any
other person listening to music, or really anyone walking down the street
with one hand held against their head. These days, those people look
stranger to me than ones that have their hands free.

> ...but I strongly suspect that those "leaked" specs are all somebody's
fantasy.

I think the GPS and accelerometer probably are.

I doubt it. The N810 already has GPS in it, and Nokia is shipping both of
these items (and more) with devices that are fully subsidized.

I wouldn't want the N900 to only come as a subsidized option, but I would
like to see it in both subsdized (carrier-tied) models and fully open ones.
Choice is always good.

K

--
In Vino Veritas
http://rubbernecking.info

jc at eclis

Jun 25, 2009, 8:55 AM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

Dr. Nicholas Shaw a écrit :
> From my perspective, I have no problems combining as long as the screen
> size isn't reduced. I like a big screen for spreadsheets, etc. but
> don't want to get something as large as the Sony Vaio (which I bought
> for my wife). I currently have the N800 (bought it when it first came
> out) and N810 (which I bought around this time last year). I'm happy
> with the 810 but would consider something else if the Internet speed
> were faster, the processor faster, and there's more internal memory.

This is also my point of view.

While a Maomo phone with a reduced size is certainly a good idea to
bring Maemo to a new audience, I hope that the next Internet Tablet will
have a size between the N800 and the N810, but with a screen that use
all the surface. Bigger screen make the experience more enjoyable in
every aspect.

Photos and movies will look better. Reading will be easier. And a new
task switching schema that allow the applications the be all the time
full screen is also a very good point to efficiently use the screen.

Personally I expect the next Internet Tablet to be usable as a phone.
The greatest gadget it can have is a bluetooth headset pluggable into
the case like the stylus is. This will definitively cover absolutely all
my current needs. But I understand that this is a engineering nightmare
to make a such thing. :-)

Regards,

Jean-Christian de Rivaz
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wolfmane at gmail

Jun 25, 2009, 8:39 PM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

On 6/25/09, Jean-Christian de Rivaz <jc [at] eclis> wrote:
> Dr. Nicholas Shaw a écrit :
> and a new
> task switching schema that allow the applications the be all the time
> full screen is also a very good point to efficiently use the screen.
>

Actually, that already exists: press the "Home" button (bottom button
on the front left side on the N800) while any application is full
screen and a list of open apps pops up. Just click on the one you want
to switch to. You can also close any of the apps in the list by
clicking its "X". I just tested with 6 open apps and it works fine, it
just adds scroll buttons.

Mark
(Written on my N800 2500 miles from home.)
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Doc at DocHarley

Jun 26, 2009, 6:15 AM

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RE: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

I didn't write that. I believe that was in response to what I did write. :-)

Nick.

-----Original Message-----
From: maemo-users-bounces [at] maemo [mailto:maemo-users-bounces [at] maemo]
On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:40 PM
To: maemo-users
Subject: Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device

On 6/25/09, Jean-Christian de Rivaz <jc [at] eclis> wrote:
> Dr. Nicholas Shaw a écrit :
> and a new
> task switching schema that allow the applications the be all the time
> full screen is also a very good point to efficiently use the screen.
>

Actually, that already exists: press the "Home" button (bottom button
on the front left side on the N800) while any application is full
screen and a list of open apps pops up. Just click on the one you want
to switch to. You can also close any of the apps in the list by
clicking its "X". I just tested with 6 open apps and it works fine, it
just adds scroll buttons.

Mark
(Written on my N800 2500 miles from home.)
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Jun 26, 2009, 6:23 AM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Dr. Nicholas Shaw<Doc [at] docharley> wrote:
> I didn't write that. I believe that was in response to what I did write. :-)
>
> Nick.
>

Sorry, in editing the quote in the interest of clarity and brevity I
deleted the wrong line. Proper attribution would have been:
"On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz<jc [at] eclis> wrote:"
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Jun 26, 2009, 8:22 AM

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Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device [In reply to]

Mark a écrit :
> On 6/25/09, Jean-Christian de Rivaz <jc [at] eclis> wrote:
>> and a new
>> task switching schema that allow the applications the be all the time
>> full screen is also a very good point to efficiently use the screen.
>>
>
> Actually, that already exists: press the "Home" button (bottom button
> on the front left side on the N800) while any application is full
> screen and a list of open apps pops up. Just click on the one you want
> to switch to. You can also close any of the apps in the list by
> clicking its "X". I just tested with 6 open apps and it works fine, it
> just adds scroll buttons.

Yes, you are right. I was reading somewhere is the forum that the
switching icons on the screen has been removed in the last SDK to let
the applications be in full screen. From that post I was under the
impression that a new switching schema will take place, but I probably
make a false assumption. The home button work very well already.

Jean-Christian de Rivaz
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