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blacknight45alive at yahoo

Sep 1, 2008, 9:00 AM

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Can I run java on n810

Can I run java on the n810. When I try to play games online off pogo.com. I need java to play and other sites are the same. If java dose not work on the n810. Are there places to play games online on the n810
and what are they.

fcassia at gmail

Sep 1, 2008, 9:38 AM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Jeff Treague
<blacknight45alive [at] yahoo> wrote:
> Can I run java on the n810. When I try to play games online off pogo.com. I
> need java to play and other sites are the same. If java dose not work on the
> n810. Are there places to play games online on the n810
> and what are they.
>

As far as I know there is a "desktop" java (J2SE) build for the Nokia
tablets, but it allows you to run .jar java applications, not
applets. What you want is a way to run java APPLETS inside a browser.

That is currently not possible because Nokia has decided not to
support Java and do a browser Java plug-in.

A possible option would be for you to play Flash games, although I
have found very few worth playing

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=flash+games

The last option, and the most attractive imho, is using the Garnet OS
Virtual Machine,

http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/

which is free, to basically run any PalmOS based game on the Nokia.
There are VERY good PalmOS games, starting with the paid ones from
Astraware
http://www.astraware.com/palm/

See also
http://www.freewarepalm.com/
and
http://www.pocketgear.com/en_US/html/all_titles_list.jsp?categoryId=cat3880104&_requestid=9729277&sf=48190044&currency=

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listas.apl at googlemail

Sep 1, 2008, 9:45 AM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

Not Java but you can use Jalimo (thought I never used it):

https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo

Hope this helps.

Alejandro.

Jeff Treague escribió:
> Can I run java on the n810. When I try to play games online off
> pogo.com. I need java to play and other sites are the same. If java dose
> not work on the n810. Are there places to play games online on the n810
> and what are they.
>
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Sep 1, 2008, 10:37 AM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Alejandro López
<listas.apl [at] googlemail> wrote:
> Not Java but you can use Jalimo (thought I never used it):
>
> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Alejandro.

I'm a little sick and tired of reading "Java-like" with reference to
Jalimo. Jalimo IS for all intents and purposes, a Java VM, it builds
on GNU Classpath and CacaoJVM. It *IS* Java. It just doesn't use the
name because, gee, it's not Sun's JVM runtime.

And plus, he wants to play APPLETS not Java applications.
Java code comes in three kinds: server-side applications (servlets)
and on the desktop: Java applications, and Java applets. The latter
run only inside a browser using the Java plug-in.

There is no java plug-in for any N8X0 browser, so, no chance to run applets.

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anewcomb2 at gmail

Sep 1, 2008, 5:17 PM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

I am not a coder, but if I stay at Sun (I was effected by their recent
layoffs) I would be happy to ask for help from developers in getting a
port done. I guess just point them at the SDK and tell them it's build
on ARM. Anything else they need to know? Seems like everything is
right there on the Maemo site.

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Alejandro López
> <listas.apl [at] googlemail> wrote:
>> Not Java but you can use Jalimo (thought I never used it):
>>
>> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Alejandro.
>
>
> I'm a little sick and tired of reading "Java-like" with reference to
> Jalimo. Jalimo IS for all intents and purposes, a Java VM, it builds
> on GNU Classpath and CacaoJVM. It *IS* Java. It just doesn't use the
> name because, gee, it's not Sun's JVM runtime.
>
> And plus, he wants to play APPLETS not Java applications.
> Java code comes in three kinds: server-side applications (servlets)
> and on the desktop: Java applications, and Java applets. The latter
> run only inside a browser using the Java plug-in.
>
> There is no java plug-in for any N8X0 browser, so, no chance to run applets.
>
> FC
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Sep 1, 2008, 11:03 PM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Aaron Newcomb <anewcomb2 [at] gmail> wrote:
> I am not a coder, but if I stay at Sun (I was effected by their recent
> layoffs) I would be happy to ask for help from developers in getting a
> port done. I guess just point them at the SDK and tell them it's build
> on ARM. Anything else they need to know? Seems like everything is
> right there on the Maemo site.
>

Since Nokia is very anti-Java -at least for the tablets-
http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=swupdate&message.id=29858
and doesn't consider it a relevant technology to have on the N8X0 ...
I guess pushing Sun to provide its own ready-to-install binaries with
full Swing support (despite Nokia) is the only choice....

For the last year Nokia has been consistently sucking up to Redmondia....

Nokia and Microsoft ink DRM deal
http://www.moconews.net/entry/419-nokia-microsoft-ink-drm-deal/

Microsoft Silverlight coming to the Internet Tablet
http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/04/microsoft-silverlight-coming-to-the-internet-tablet/

"We want to educate open source developers. There are certain business
rules [developers] need to obey, such as DRM, IPR [intellectual
property rights], SIM locks, and
subsidizehttp://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox/11c1ea5da02cb850d business
models," Jaaski told attendees of the Handsets World conference in
Berlin. In other words, the open source community needs to learn how
to keep things closed.

source:
http://weblog.infoworld.com/fatalexception/archives/2008/06/nokia_open_sour.html

Here is J2ME partly working
http://justanapplication.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/java-personal-profile-on-the-n800/

I guess if Sun really wanted (and were given a business case) they
could put a handful of engineers into it, and get it running in a week
or two.

Dr. Dobbs recently ran a good article on Java and the Nokia tablets...
which shows the promise of the platform but sadly (since it's written
from a developer's point of view) does not adress the shortcoming of
the lack of an official JRE...
http://www.ddj.com/java/208801979?pgno=1

I think it'd be great if a group of N800/N810 users approached Sun
Micro with this "business case" for Sun to do an officially supported
JRE build for the Nokia Tablets. Even from a PR point of view it'd
help show that Nokia was not right in ignoring Java... so Sun in all
its kindness, vowing to "popular pressure" delivered the Java support
that *customers wanted* .... :-)

Here's a list of some people that might help make a case internally....

Clayton.Cornell [at] sun <-n800 user
walter.bays [at] sun <- from Sun's Green Computing initiative, owns a N800
hinkmond.wong [at] sun <- in charge of the multiple volunteer porting
efforts, after Java was open sourced.

I think doing a carefully worded petition on petitiononline.com and
then signing it and only later contacting the people above and
pointing to it, *could* work.

But don't look at me to do it. I'm well past my sleep threshold....
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quim.gil at nokia

Sep 2, 2008, 2:19 AM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

Hi, relax man. :)

ext Fernando Cassia wrote:
> Since Nokia is very anti-Java

Nokia is a main stakeholder and distributor of Java technologies:
http://www.nokia.com/A4126521

> -at least for the tablets-

Maemo is a young platform and we need to concentrate in our core use
cases. It was decided that official support for Java was not crucial at
this point. There are many other technologies not officially supported
for the same reason, but this doesn't make Nokia anti-them.

> I guess pushing Sun to provide its own ready-to-install binaries with
> full Swing support (despite Nokia) is the only choice....

Why "despite Nokia"? Nobody is stopping Sun, IBM, Jalimo or whoever from
going ahead with Java support. In fact these companies and organizations
have channels of communication/collaboration with Nokia. If there is any
obstacle in the way caused by Nokia let us know.

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gary at eyetraxx

Sep 3, 2008, 10:07 AM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

Fernando Cassia wrote:
> I'm a little sick and tired of reading "Java-like" with reference to
> Jalimo. Jalimo IS for all intents and purposes, a Java VM, it builds
> on GNU Classpath and CacaoJVM. It *IS* Java. It just doesn't use the
> name because, gee, it's not Sun's JVM runtime.
>

Has it passed the Technology Compatibility Kit test suite?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Java_implementations

If yes, then it's a compliant JVM.
Else, it's not Java(tm).

The iPhone dev team chose not to implement a Flash plug-in for the same
reasons; purely technical. Neither Apple nor Nokia hate Flash or Java
technologies; they merely know when to develop something over time
instead of in a rush when working with limited resources (in the device).

-Gary
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fcassia at gmail

Sep 3, 2008, 10:30 AM

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Re: Can I run java on n810 [In reply to]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Gary <gary [at] eyetraxx> wrote:

> Fernando Cassia wrote:
> > I'm a little sick and tired of reading "Java-like" with reference to
> > Jalimo. Jalimo IS for all intents and purposes, a Java VM, it builds
> > on GNU Classpath and CacaoJVM. It *IS* Java. It just doesn't use the
> > name because, gee, it's not Sun's JVM runtime.
> >
>
> Has it passed the Technology Compatibility Kit test suite?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Java_implementations
>
> If yes, then it's a compliant JVM.
> Else, it's not Java(tm).

I disagree, with all my heart. I will fight that notion till the end of
times, or next Thursday, whichever comes first.
;-)

FC

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