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rdorsch at web

Aug 17, 2008, 2:40 PM

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modest does not update newmail in imap folder

Hello,

I run an IMAP server (courier-imap) and connect with modest to it. The server
filters incoming mails and files them in appropriate (hierarchical) folders.

I noticed that modest displays new mails only in the top-level hierarchy, e.g.
when I have

Inbox
Private
- Friends
- Projects
Business

Modest would display me new mail in the folders Inbox Private and Business,
but not in Private/Friends and Private/Projects. Other IMAP clients (e.g.
kmail) display new mail in all folders properly.

Did a miss a configuration option or is this a bug?

Thanks,
Rainer

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aklapper at openismus

Aug 18, 2008, 12:29 AM

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Re: modest does not update newmail in imap folder [In reply to]

Am Sonntag, den 17.08.2008, 23:40 +0200 schrieb Rainer Dorsch:
> I noticed that modest displays new mails only in the top-level hierarchy

Which exact version is this (see Control Panel > General > About
product)?
Make sure to run the latest (4.2008.30-2), there have been several bug
fixes included that might be related (e.g.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3191 ).

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Dirk-Jan.Binnema at nokia

Aug 18, 2008, 2:15 AM

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RE: modest does not update newmail in imap folder [In reply to]

Hi,

Note that Modest won't recurse into IMAP subdirectories to check for new
mails;
this is for efficiency reasons.

Usually, new mail will finds its way to the INBOX, so that shouldn't be
a problem
in most cases. If you select the folder, modest should get you the new
mails.

Best wishes,
Dirk.

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>
> Am Sonntag, den 17.08.2008, 23:40 +0200 schrieb Rainer Dorsch:
> > I noticed that modest displays new mails only in the
> top-level hierarchy
>
> Which exact version is this (see Control Panel > General > About
> product)?
> Make sure to run the latest (4.2008.30-2), there have been several bug
> fixes included that might be related (e.g.
> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3191 ).
>
> andre
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luca at ventoso

Aug 18, 2008, 3:56 AM

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Re: modest does not update newmail in imap folder [In reply to]

El Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:15:19 +0300
<Dirk-Jan.Binnema[at]nokia.com> escribió:

> Hi,
>
> Note that Modest won't recurse into IMAP subdirectories to check for
> new mails;
> this is for efficiency reasons.

Status can be used to just update the message count and it's quite
efficient (at least with cyrus as a server). IIRC thunderbird uses it
to quickly update the folder tree view.
OTOH claws just recurses the subfolders (downloading headers while
checking) and it is dog slow, to the point that I disabled the feature
and I just select the folders when I want to check for new mail.

>
> Usually, new mail will finds its way to the INBOX, so that shouldn't
> be a problem
> in most cases.

It is if you filter server side.

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Dirk-Jan.Binnema at nokia

Aug 18, 2008, 5:37 AM

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RE: modest does not update newmail in imap folder [In reply to]

Hi Luca,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: maemo-users-bounces[at]maemo.org
> [mailto:maemo-users-bounces[at]maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Luca Olivetti

> > Note that Modest won't recurse into IMAP subdirectories to check for
> > new mails;
> > this is for efficiency reasons.
>
> Status can be used to just update the message count and it's quite
> efficient (at least with cyrus as a server). IIRC thunderbird uses it
> to quickly update the folder tree view.
> OTOH claws just recurses the subfolders (downloading headers while
> checking) and it is dog slow, to the point that I disabled the feature
> and I just select the folders when I want to check for new mail.

Ah, good point; we use tinymail, and I think the unread count is a
function
of the headers/messages that are actually on the device, not of the
output of STATUS. For technical reasons, it seems easier to keep those
in sync. Might be a nice future enhancement to support STATUS as well.

> >
> > Usually, new mail will finds its way to the INBOX, so that shouldn't
> > be a problem
> > in most cases.
>
> It is if you filter server side.

Yup.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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mikelococo at gmail

Aug 18, 2008, 5:08 PM

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Re: modest does not update newmail in imap folder [In reply to]

> Ah, good point; we use tinymail, and I think the unread count is a
> function of the headers/messages that are actually on the device, not
> of the output of STATUS. For technical reasons, it seems easier to
> keep those in sync. Might be a nice future enhancement to support
> STATUS as well.
>
>>> Usually, new mail will finds its way to the INBOX, so that
>>> shouldn't be a problem in most cases.
>>
>> It is if you filter server side.
>
> Yup.

Just a quick 'me too' point to note that Rainer isn't the only person
doing server-side filtering. The STATUS enhancement would be quite
helpful to me as well.

Additionally, folks using client-side filtering are likely to be bitten
by this occasionally, but not often enough to figure out why. Anytime a
desktop/laptop mail client checks mail and filters it to a folder, but
the user doesn't immediately read it... those folders won't be listed as
containing unread messages when the user next checks mail in Modest.

Thanks,
Mike Lococo
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gt at iltofa

Aug 19, 2008, 12:14 AM

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Re: modest does not update newmail in imap folder [In reply to]

Il giorno 19/ago/08, alle ore 02:08, Mike Lococo ha scritto:

>> Additionally, folks using client-side filtering are likely to be
>> bitten
> by this occasionally, but not often enough to figure out why.
> Anytime a
> desktop/laptop mail client checks mail and filters it to a folder, but
> the user doesn't immediately read it... those folders won't be
> listed as
> containing unread messages when the user next checks mail in Modest.

I was bitten by this one with Alpine. I solved on Alpine changing the
meaning of "new message" from having the "recent" flag set to having
the "unread" on set. The "simple" UI of Modest do not permit that
(correctly) but that could be changed, because for a "normal user"
"New" means "Unread" not "recent", IMHO.

gt

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donaggio at gmail

Aug 19, 2008, 1:03 AM

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Re: modest does not update newmail in imap folder [In reply to]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Mike Lococo <mikelococo[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> > Ah, good point; we use tinymail, and I think the unread count is a
> > function of the headers/messages that are actually on the device, not
> > of the output of STATUS. For technical reasons, it seems easier to
> > keep those in sync. Might be a nice future enhancement to support
> > STATUS as well.
> >
> >>> Usually, new mail will finds its way to the INBOX, so that
> >>> shouldn't be a problem in most cases.
> >>
> >> It is if you filter server side.
> >
> > Yup.
>
>
> Just a quick 'me too' point to note that Rainer isn't the only person
> doing server-side filtering. The STATUS enhancement would be quite
> helpful to me as well.
>
> Additionally, folks using client-side filtering are likely to be bitten
> by this occasionally, but not often enough to figure out why. Anytime a
> desktop/laptop mail client checks mail and filters it to a folder, but
> the user doesn't immediately read it... those folders won't be listed as
> containing unread messages when the user next checks mail in Modest.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Lococo
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I second this, too. At work we use server-side filtering with rules written
in SIEVE: each time I use modest to read my emails while on the go, I've to
check all and every IMAP folders to be sure I don't miss any message -
sometimes it's annoying!

Luca Donaggio

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