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jason at rampaginggeek

Jan 8, 2008, 12:36 PM

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Keyboard-based navigation on N800 OS2007?

Hi,

My bluetooth keyboard works well for taking notes for my N800 running
OS2007, but I find it cumbersome to switch between the keyboard and pen
input.

My workflow goes like this:
1. I'm creating a note and I want to start Xterminal
2. I start Xterminal using the pen input
3. I have to use the pen/finger input two switch between the two apps.

Are there keyboard accellerator keys for doing the following operations:
* opening and choosing from the main menu of applications
* switching between applications
* navigating within microb, notes, and xterminal

Is there improved keyboard navigation support in OS2008?

Thanks,
Jason
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tomas.junnonen at nokia

Jan 9, 2008, 2:29 AM

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Re: Keyboard-based navigation on N800 OS2007? [In reply to]

ext Jason Edgecombe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My bluetooth keyboard works well for taking notes for my N800 running
> OS2007, but I find it cumbersome to switch between the keyboard and pen
> input.
>
> My workflow goes like this:
> 1. I'm creating a note and I want to start Xterminal
> 2. I start Xterminal using the pen input
> 3. I have to use the pen/finger input two switch between the two apps.
>
> Are there keyboard accellerator keys for doing the following operations:
> * opening and choosing from the main menu of applications

Alt-Shift-Tab opens the applications menu. This and several other
shortcuts are reconfigurable in the "Bluetooth keyboard" section of the
control panel (OS2008). N810 users too can map these functions to the
slide-out keyboard if they want.

> * switching between applications

Alt-Tab, also reconfigurable as above.

> * navigating within microb, notes, and xterminal

The applications you list should be fully accessible using the keyboard.
For example MicroB supports several shortcuts you may be familiar with
from Firefox, such as focusing the address field with Control-L.

When a keyboard is available in OS2008 (either BT, or when the N810
keyboard is opened) the application specific shortcuts will show up in
the menus.

> Is there improved keyboard navigation support in OS2008?

Yes, there's small improvements all around.

Regards,
Tomas
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g+770 at cobb

Jan 9, 2008, 3:12 AM

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Re: Keyboard-based navigation on N800 OS2007? [In reply to]

On Wednesday 09 January 2008 10:29:35 Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> Alt-Shift-Tab opens the applications menu. This and several other
> shortcuts are reconfigurable in the "Bluetooth keyboard" section of the
> control panel (OS2008). N810 users too can map these functions to the
> slide-out keyboard if they want.

That is interesting -- I decided to try this out with my new N810.
Unfortunately the slide out keyboard doesn't have many keys to use, with no
<alt> key. I got <ctrl><shift>p to work but it requires pressing all three
keys simultaneously, which is quite hard on the slide out keyboard.

I tried using the bluetooth keyboard settings to configure a more usable key
setting. Unfortunately, all the <ctrl>-letter keys I tried give "Function
key reserved for the system". It did accept <ctrl>-' but after I had OK'd
out of the bluetooth keyboard dialogs the key did not work (pressing <ctrl>-'
still did nothing). Is there some other way to set up shortcuts for use with
the slide-out keyboard?

Graham
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tomas.junnonen at nokia

Jan 9, 2008, 3:42 AM

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Re: Keyboard-based navigation on N800 OS2007? [In reply to]

ext Graham Cobb wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 January 2008 10:29:35 Tomas Junnonen wrote:
>> Alt-Shift-Tab opens the applications menu. This and several other
>> shortcuts are reconfigurable in the "Bluetooth keyboard" section of the
>> control panel (OS2008). N810 users too can map these functions to the
>> slide-out keyboard if they want.
>
> That is interesting -- I decided to try this out with my new N810.
> Unfortunately the slide out keyboard doesn't have many keys to use, with no
> <alt> key. I got <ctrl><shift>p to work but it requires pressing all three
> keys simultaneously, which is quite hard on the slide out keyboard.
>
> I tried using the bluetooth keyboard settings to configure a more usable key
> setting. Unfortunately, all the <ctrl>-letter keys I tried give "Function
> key reserved for the system". It did accept <ctrl>-' but after I had OK'd
> out of the bluetooth keyboard dialogs the key did not work (pressing <ctrl>-'
> still did nothing). Is there some other way to set up shortcuts for use with
> the slide-out keyboard?

<ctrl>- does work for me as a shortcut. Make sure the action you
assigned to is applicable in the context you activate it in (if you have
a dialog open you cannot minimize the window etc).

The shortcuts dialog does have some strange restrictions when assigning
the keys, making it not that suitable for the N810 (it should however be
possible to override the checks by using gconftool in xterm and manually
setting the values in the /apps/osso/keybindings/ hierarchy).

In the control panel you should however at least be able to use the
following shortcuts on the N810:
3 key combos:
<ctrl><shift><letter or number>
<ctrl><fn><letter or number>
2 key combos:
<fn><chr>
<fn><backspace>
<fn><enter>
<ctrl>-
<ctr>.
<ctrl>,
...

Regards,
Tomas
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marius at pov

Jan 9, 2008, 4:30 AM

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Re: Keyboard-based navigation on N800 OS2007? [In reply to]

On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 03:36:47PM -0500, Jason Edgecombe wrote:
> My bluetooth keyboard works well for taking notes for my N800 running
> OS2007, but I find it cumbersome to switch between the keyboard and pen
> input.
>
> My workflow goes like this:
> 1. I'm creating a note and I want to start Xterminal
> 2. I start Xterminal using the pen input
> 3. I have to use the pen/finger input two switch between the two apps.
>
> Are there keyboard accellerator keys for doing the following operations:
> * opening and choosing from the main menu of applications
> * switching between applications
> * navigating within microb, notes, and xterminal

I don't think so (in OS2007), but you can define them. Create a text
file ~/.matchbox/kbdconfig with this:

<Alt>Tab=next
<Alt><shift>Tab=prev

then run matchbox-remote -k

Source of information:
http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard (which is otherwise
a bit dated).

> Is there improved keyboard navigation support in OS2008?

Yes. The control panel applet lets you customize various keybindings.

(Although I didn't find the wretched Ctrl-E binding there and had to
clear it with gconftool.)

Marius Gedminas
--
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g+770 at cobb

Jan 9, 2008, 4:33 AM

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Re: Keyboard-based navigation on N800 OS2007? [In reply to]

On Wednesday 09 January 2008 11:42:33 Tomas Junnonen wrote:
> In the control panel you should however at least be able to use the
> following shortcuts on the N810:
> 3 key combos:
> <ctrl><shift><letter or number>
> <ctrl><fn><letter or number>
> 2 key combos:
> <fn><chr>
> <fn><backspace>
> <fn><enter>
> <ctrl>-
> <ctr>.
> <ctrl>,
> ...

Thanks Tomas.

<ctrl>+ and <ctrl>- work for me. But <ctrl>' <ctrl>; <ctrl>, and <ctrl>. do
not. They are accepted by the Bluetooth keyboard/Settings/Teach shortcut
dialog but they do nothing when pressed (even if I wait a few seconds, see
below).

<fn><chr> <fn><backspace> and <fn><enter> take a few seconds to work!
The "Updating" message goes away and the "Teach shortcut" dialog goes away.
If I then try the key nothing happens. But if I wait a few more seconds and
try again it works! (In all cases I was using task switcher as the action).

I guess I should submit a bug.

Graham
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