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kevinverma at fedoraproject

Sep 24, 2008, 9:58 PM

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Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?

Dear Nokia & Maemo Community,

I read the recent announcement of "stlc45xx" which still requires a
binary tool for its calibration data. But there are other components
like battery, 3D etc.
Can someone please guide me where are more 'official' details for
opening of binary blobs or N8x0 hardware viz Maemo ? at-least a
roodmap to look forward to.

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Kevin Verma
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dneary at maemo

Sep 25, 2008, 2:53 AM

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Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ? [In reply to]

Hi Kevin,

Kevin Verma wrote:
> I read the recent announcement of "stlc45xx" which still requires a
> binary tool for its calibration data. But there are other components
> like battery, 3D etc.
> Can someone please guide me where are more 'official' details for
> opening of binary blobs or N8x0 hardware viz Maemo ? at-least a
> roodmap to look forward to.

Could you be a bit more specific? What binary blobs are you referring to?

We have a wiki page, designed to help prioritise and justify requests
like this, which Nokia personnel work on answering, or at the very least
explaining their decision.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia

If you have any specific modules you'd like to see opened, that's the
right place to ask (and ideally explain why).

Cheers,
Dave.

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david.weinehall at nokia

Sep 25, 2008, 3:56 AM

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Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ? [In reply to]

On tor, 2008-09-25 at 10:28 +0530, ext Kevin Verma wrote:
> Dear Nokia & Maemo Community,
>
> I read the recent announcement of "stlc45xx" which still requires a
> binary tool for its calibration data. But there are other components
> like battery, 3D etc.

I cannot make predictions about other components, but for the battery
software a well-educated guess is "Never", and the reasons are manifold:
possible liability issues, patents, and the fact that it's software
developed by another branch of Nokia rather than internally within
Maemo.


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igor.stoppa at nokia

Sep 25, 2008, 4:03 AM

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Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ? [In reply to]

On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:56 +0300, ext David Weinehall wrote:
> On tor, 2008-09-25 at 10:28 +0530, ext Kevin Verma wrote:

> I cannot make predictions about other components, but for the battery
> software a well-educated guess is "Never", and the reasons are manifold:
> possible liability issues, patents, and the fact that it's software
> developed by another branch of Nokia rather than internally within
> Maemo.

In that sense it would be probably simpler to get rid entirely of it
than to open it. But still no predictions, sorry.

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kevinverma at fedoraproject

Sep 25, 2008, 10:18 AM

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Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ? [In reply to]

Hello Dave,

> Could you be a bit more specific? What binary blobs are you referring to?
>
> We have a wiki page, designed to help prioritise and justify requests
> like this, which Nokia personnel work on answering, or at the very least
> explaining their decision.
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia

This is a good set of questions from curious maemo community though
not much official answers I guess.

I feel a roadmap rather than bold statement and talks in this context
would assure community more to stick to Nokia hardware than to stick
it out of Window.

> If you have any specific modules you'd like to see opened, that's the
> right place to ask (and ideally explain why).

Battery driver for now is what I'd like to see opened, if I have to
really explain to Nokia like I have to plead I'd say maybe I'll like
to bump up kernel version or perhaps like to try something else than
ITOS all-togather , maybe a community spin of Maemo (unsupported by
Nokia)

That sounds good ?

~kevin
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kevinverma at fedoraproject

Sep 25, 2008, 10:21 AM

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Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ? [In reply to]

> In that sense it would be probably simpler to get rid entirely of it
> than to open it. But still no predictions, sorry.

Getting rid of it is maybe a choice but what would be efforts from
Nokia to bring in an alternative driver then ?
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kevinverma at fedoraproject

Sep 25, 2008, 10:26 AM

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Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ? [In reply to]

> I cannot make predictions about other components, but for the battery
> software a well-educated guess is "Never", and the reasons are manifold:
> possible liability issues, patents, and the fact that it's software
> developed by another branch of Nokia rather than internally within
> Maemo.

That gets more questions;
What is Nokia strategy to avoid getting in IP which is based on
restrictive patents ?
Does Nokia have plans to provide any cover to its community for
collaboration of its patented technology ?
Is Nokia shipping hardware that needs binary bits for some kind of
lock-in to it users ?

~kevin
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quim.gil at nokia

Sep 25, 2008, 10:35 PM

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Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ? [In reply to]

Hi Kevin,

You are touching topics related with ongoing tasks at
http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint5 . Thanks for your input and please
keep it going, here or in the related wiki pages I'm linking below.

ext Kevin Verma wrote:
> I feel a roadmap rather than bold statement and talks in this context
> would assure community more to stick to Nokia hardware than to stick
> it out of Window.

Sure:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_public_roadmapping_process - don't miss
the discussion page.

Now it's an interesting time because last week most of the Fremantle
release roadmap was disclosed through several announcements. However, we
still need to put this in a single page and call it Roadmap.

Also we need an agreed process to keep the roadmap up to date. The
principle of sharing the vision and disclosing release content with a
special emphasis on the open source components is clear - see the slide
5 at http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/how-maemo-approaches-open-source/


>> If you have any specific modules you'd like to see opened, that's the
>> right place to ask (and ideally explain why).

In fact "Process to request a closed source package to be open -
GeneralAntilles" is still a task in the backlog. I'd be happy to see it
being pushed for the next sprint and nobody is stopping you to start
helping out now.

Until now the requests have been submitted mostly via feature requests
at http://bugs.maemo.org


> Battery driver for now is what I'd like to see opened, if I have to
> really explain to Nokia like I have to plead I'd say maybe I'll like
> to bump up kernel version or perhaps like to try something else than
> ITOS all-togather , maybe a community spin of Maemo (unsupported by
> Nokia)
>
> That sounds good ?

Last week it was announced that DSME will go open source, and one of
these days the code should hit http://garage.maemo.org . Have a look to
that project, hopefully you will get what you need. If not, let's talk
in more detail.

I'm currently working on a related task, "Explanation of the reasons why
the closed source packages are closed". Currently I'm drafting the
general reasons why (I hope to have the draft in the wiki at the end of
today). Then we will go case by case and explain which of the generic
reasons apply to a specific package.

This way all requests for opening components with a rationale behind
will get either a YES or a NO BECAUSE.


> What is Nokia strategy to avoid getting in IP which is based on
> restrictive patents ?

Having a full IPR team checking all the features and code supported
officially in any Nokia product and evaluating risks.


> Does Nokia have plans to provide any cover to its community for
> collaboration of its patented technology ?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

> Is Nokia shipping hardware that needs binary bits for some kind of
> lock-in to it users ?

Maemo and the Nokia Internet Tablets have no lock-in "feature".

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