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matt at mattclark

Jan 16, 2007, 10:07 AM

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For want of a ... (Was: n800 camera specs)

> Getting beyond the easily misinterpreted intentions of mailing list
> participants, he does have a very good idea. If Nokia just sends 500
> worthy developers mail-in rebates for store-bought n800's then there
> is no issue of waiting anymore. It is probably the easiest thing to
> handle logistically on Nokia's side also.

That is so sensible it will never happen ;-) I would be delighted to
be proved wrong though, and also I'd like to ask a very open question:

How many people on this list are being held back in development by
lack of access to hardware? Or any other resource? What's the thing
that would most accelerate your development activity? Steve Ballmer
might be a bit of a plonker at times, but 'Developers! Developers!
Developers!' as a war cry has done Microsoft nothing but good. What
do we, as developers, really want?

I know my initial list would be:
1 more open source code
2 or, if I can't have that, dev access to non-redistributable code on
easy terms (like, less than retail device cost)
3 did I mention the code?
4 discounted hardware

M

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Jan 16, 2007, 10:42 AM

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Re: For want of a ... (Was: n800 camera specs) [In reply to]

> I know my initial list would be:
> 1 more open source code
> 2 or, if I can't have that, dev access to non-redistributable code on
> easy terms (like, less than retail device cost)
> 3 did I mention the code?
> 4 discounted hardware

For me:
1: More freed code
2: Discounted (hardware and the software that only runs natively in
given hardware), and/or more documentation about the aforementioned.

I couldn't care less about dev licensing for non-redistributable code.

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matt at mattclark

Jan 16, 2007, 10:49 AM

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> I couldn't care less about dev licensing for non-redistributable code.

That's interesting. Is that because it's not relevant to you?
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Jan 16, 2007, 10:58 AM

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> > I couldn't care less about dev licensing for non-redistributable code.
>
> That's interesting. Is that because it's not relevant to you?

Yes, for the same reason I'm hacking on the 770 instead of some
ultra-proprietary pocketpc-based device.

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Jan 16, 2007, 11:32 AM

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The easiest way is go into a shop or online and order one. Thats is no more mails about oh mama can i get one pleasseeeeee

Well and development, for the N770 or maybe N800 should be to establish more End-User-Ready-Applications

Mathias

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Von: Matt Clark <matt [at] mattclark>
Gesendet: 16.1.'07, 18:07

> > Getting beyond the easily misinterpreted intentions of mailing list
> > participants, he does have a very good idea. If Nokia just sends 500
> > worthy developers mail-in rebates for store-bought n800's then there
> > is no issue of waiting anymore. It is probably the easiest thing to
> > handle logistically on Nokia's side also.
>
> That is so sensible it will never happen ;-) I would be delighted to
> be proved wrong though, and also I'd like to ask a very open question:
>
> How many people on this list are being held back in development by
> lack of access to hardware? Or any other resource? What's the thing
> that would most accelerate your development activity? Steve Ballmer
> might be a bit of a plonker at times, but 'Developers! Developers!
> Developers!' as a war cry has done Microsoft nothing but good. What
> do we, as developers, really want?
>
> I know my initial list would be:
> 1 more open source code
> 2 or, if I can't have that, dev access to non-redistributable code on
> easy terms (like, less than retail device cost)
> 3 did I mention the code?
> 4 discounted hardware
>
> M
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matt at mattclark

Jan 16, 2007, 11:40 AM

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Re: For want of a ... (Was: n800 camera specs) [In reply to]

On 16 Jan 2007, at 18:58, Levi Bard wrote:

>> > I couldn't care less about dev licensing for non-redistributable
>> code.
>>
>> That's interesting. Is that because it's not relevant to you?
>
> Yes, for the same reason I'm hacking on the 770 instead of some
> ultra-proprietary pocketpc-based device.

But you are hacking on a device that is, if not 'ultra-proprietary',
definitely proprietary - there's lots of binary-only code in ITOS200
[67]. Wouldn't you like to see that source, even though you couldn't
redistribute it?
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dottedmag at dottedmag

Jan 16, 2007, 11:45 AM

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Re: For want of a ... [In reply to]

Twas brillig at 19:40:12 16.01.2007 UTC+00 when Matt Clark did gyre and gimble:

MC> Wouldn't you like to see that source, even though you couldn't
MC> redistribute it?

Not necessarily. Just a API/protocol documentation should be enough.

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simon at budig

Jan 16, 2007, 11:46 AM

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Re: For want of a ... (Was: n800 camera specs) [In reply to]

Matt Clark (matt [at] mattclark) wrote:
> But you are hacking on a device that is, if not 'ultra-proprietary',
> definitely proprietary - there's lots of binary-only code in ITOS200
> [67]. Wouldn't you like to see that source, even though you couldn't
> redistribute it?

What would be the purpose? Learning additional stuff you must not talk
about? Sounds like something I'd like to avoid :)

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marius at pov

Jan 16, 2007, 12:07 PM

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Re: For want of a ... (Was: n800 camera specs) [In reply to]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 06:07:46PM +0000, Matt Clark wrote:
> What
> do we, as developers, really want?
>
> I know my initial list would be:
> 1 more open source code
> 2 or, if I can't have that, dev access to non-redistributable code on
> easy terms (like, less than retail device cost)
> 3 did I mention the code?
> 4 discounted hardware

1. Open source code.
2. Ability to buy the darn hardware (at full price) without having to
emigrate to one of the 15 countries that Nokia Online Shop lists.

Marius Gedminas
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