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ant.o at libero

Nov 9, 2006, 9:28 AM

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re-evaluating the handwriting input method - but there's a problem

Today, I've tried the handwriting input method. Oh what a mess, as the
other times I've tried it. So, in the handwriting teaching app I have
decided to disable *all* the symbols for *all* the chars (in my western
charset), then I've created just one custom symbol for each lowercase
letter and for numbers. Yes it's a hard work, it took me about 20 minutes.

And surprise... it works like a charm! I can write at very high speed with
very low error rate without having ever used a handwriting input system;
I've only tried sometimes this one provided with 770, but the screen
keyboard was faster and accurate so I've soon abandoned it.

Now, with that trick, even with this first try it is way better than the
screen keyboard. But, there is a problem, which I suppose could be easily
solved, so the reason for this mail:

sometimes, I need to write capital letters, of course. I don't want to
define them as symbols, because they easily interfere with other ones,
this is something to definetely avoid. But, the solution is simple: there
should be a "caps-lock" button in the handwriting input application! I
will continue to use my lowercase symbols, but with the caps-lock enabled
they will be considered as capitals. Smooth and easy, isn't it?

Can I hope this will be added in next firmware update? Just a little
button, would improve the usability of the entire device a lot. I suggest
this for everyone: use just ONE symbol for a character, and define symbols
for as little chars as possible - this way the error rate is zero or
really low, and you can handwrite 90% of the stuff you need to (supposing
we have the caps-lock button improvement, otherwise the percentage falls
down). Try it, if you ususally use the on-screen keyboard: it's not that
bad with this trick.

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david.weinehall at nokia

Nov 9, 2006, 12:04 PM

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Re: re-evaluating the handwriting input method - but there's a problem [In reply to]

On tor, 2006-11-09 at 18:28 +0100, ext Antonio Orlando wrote:
> Today, I've tried the handwriting input method. Oh what a mess, as the
> other times I've tried it. So, in the handwriting teaching app I have
> decided to disable *all* the symbols for *all* the chars (in my western
> charset), then I've created just one custom symbol for each lowercase
> letter and for numbers. Yes it's a hard work, it took me about 20 minutes.
>
> And surprise... it works like a charm! I can write at very high speed with
> very low error rate without having ever used a handwriting input system;
> I've only tried sometimes this one provided with 770, but the screen
> keyboard was faster and accurate so I've soon abandoned it.
>
> Now, with that trick, even with this first try it is way better than the
> screen keyboard. But, there is a problem, which I suppose could be easily
> solved, so the reason for this mail:
>
> sometimes, I need to write capital letters, of course. I don't want to
> define them as symbols, because they easily interfere with other ones,
> this is something to definetely avoid. But, the solution is simple: there
> should be a "caps-lock" button in the handwriting input application! I
> will continue to use my lowercase symbols, but with the caps-lock enabled
> they will be considered as capitals. Smooth and easy, isn't it?

I can only agree. That would probably be the only thing that could make
me use the HWR.

> Can I hope this will be added in next firmware update? Just a little
> button, would improve the usability of the entire device a lot. I suggest
> this for everyone: use just ONE symbol for a character, and define symbols
> for as little chars as possible - this way the error rate is zero or
> really low, and you can handwrite 90% of the stuff you need to (supposing
> we have the caps-lock button improvement, otherwise the percentage falls
> down). Try it, if you ususally use the on-screen keyboard: it's not that
> bad with this trick.

Regards: David Weinehall

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ant.o at libero

Nov 9, 2006, 1:19 PM

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Re: re-evaluating the handwriting input method - but there's a problem [In reply to]

> Just a little button, would improve the usability of the entire device a
> lot.

Of course, imho, the best thing would be a hwr input method borrowing some
ideas from the implementation of the virtual keyboard app, and some other
ideas from cellular phones input method. If someone cares, here [1] it is
an image of how could be a better hwr input interface for me (the symbols
pictured and their order are random, there's no particular study behind
them).

[1] http://7ref.com/EV3

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Jakub.Pavelek at nokia

Nov 9, 2006, 11:44 PM

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RE: re-evaluating the handwriting input method - butthere's a problem [In reply to]

Hi,

You can always switch the case of already written character with the "arrow" button located left second from bottom. It works both ways and is a better solution for normal typing, not necessarily for entering commands in xterm ;-)

And for the special characters in the screenshot, you have a fast way to type them with the special characters view under the "&!�" button on right.

Br,

--jakub

>-----Original Message-----
>From: maemo-developers-bounces [at] maemo
>[mailto:maemo-developers-bounces [at] maemo] On Behalf Of ext
>Antonio Orlando
>Sent: 09 November, 2006 19:28
>To: Maemo developers
>Subject: [maemo-developers] re-evaluating the handwriting
>input method - butthere's a problem
>
>Today, I've tried the handwriting input method. Oh what a
>mess, as the other times I've tried it. So, in the handwriting
>teaching app I have decided to disable *all* the symbols for
>*all* the chars (in my western charset), then I've created
>just one custom symbol for each lowercase letter and for
>numbers. Yes it's a hard work, it took me about 20 minutes.
>
>And surprise... it works like a charm! I can write at very
>high speed with very low error rate without having ever used a
>handwriting input system; I've only tried sometimes this one
>provided with 770, but the screen keyboard was faster and
>accurate so I've soon abandoned it.
>
>Now, with that trick, even with this first try it is way
>better than the screen keyboard. But, there is a problem,
>which I suppose could be easily solved, so the reason for this mail:
>
>sometimes, I need to write capital letters, of course. I don't
>want to define them as symbols, because they easily interfere
>with other ones, this is something to definetely avoid. But,
>the solution is simple: there should be a "caps-lock" button
>in the handwriting input application! I will continue to use
>my lowercase symbols, but with the caps-lock enabled they will
>be considered as capitals. Smooth and easy, isn't it?
>
>Can I hope this will be added in next firmware update? Just a
>little button, would improve the usability of the entire
>device a lot. I suggest this for everyone: use just ONE symbol
>for a character, and define symbols for as little chars as
>possible - this way the error rate is zero or really low, and
>you can handwrite 90% of the stuff you need to (supposing we
>have the caps-lock button improvement, otherwise the
>percentage falls down). Try it, if you ususally use the
>on-screen keyboard: it's not that bad with this trick.
>
>--
>Antonio
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david.weinehall at nokia

Nov 10, 2006, 1:41 AM

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Re: re-evaluating the handwriting input method - but there's a problem [In reply to]

On tor, 2006-11-09 at 22:04 +0200, ext David Weinehall wrote:
> On tor, 2006-11-09 at 18:28 +0100, ext Antonio Orlando wrote:
[snip]

> > sometimes, I need to write capital letters, of course. I don't want to
> > define them as symbols, because they easily interfere with other ones,
> > this is something to definetely avoid. But, the solution is simple: there
> > should be a "caps-lock" button in the handwriting input application! I
> > will continue to use my lowercase symbols, but with the caps-lock enabled
> > they will be considered as capitals. Smooth and easy, isn't it?
>
> I can only agree. That would probably be the only thing that could make
> me use the HWR.

On second thought, I'd prefer to be able to assign a HWR-gesture to
caps-lock.

[snip]

Regards: David Weinehall

[Disclaimer: Still not representing Nokia bla bla bla]
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ant.o at libero

Nov 10, 2006, 3:25 AM

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Re: re-evaluating the handwriting input method - but there's a problem [In reply to]

> On second thought, I'd prefer to be able to assign a HWR-gesture to
> caps-lock.

Agree - btw still with the button for optional use, and mainly for a
visual clue of the on/off state eventually triggered by the gesture.

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xun.chen at nokia

Nov 28, 2006, 7:09 AM

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RE: re-evaluating the handwriting input method - butthere's a problem [In reply to]

There is a small hidden trick to manage upper or lower case in HWR. If
you wrote a letter, say 'h', but you had wanted it to be uppercase 'H',
you just rewrite 'h' or 'H' at the same place of printed 'h' in HWR area
-> the 'h' will be updated to 'H', no matter 'h' or 'H' you write later.
Means you wrote 'h' twice at same position, the case will be corrected.
The same rule valid for 'H' and all other letters.

Br,
Xun CHEN

>-----Original Message-----
>From: maemo-developers-bounces [at] maemo
>[mailto:maemo-developers-bounces [at] maemo] On Behalf Of ext
>Antonio Orlando
>Sent: 09 November 2006 19:28
>To: Maemo developers
>Subject: [maemo-developers] re-evaluating the handwriting
>input method - butthere's a problem
>
>Today, I've tried the handwriting input method. Oh what a
>mess, as the other times I've tried it. So, in the handwriting
>teaching app I have decided to disable *all* the symbols for
>*all* the chars (in my western charset), then I've created
>just one custom symbol for each lowercase letter and for
>numbers. Yes it's a hard work, it took me about 20 minutes.
>
>And surprise... it works like a charm! I can write at very
>high speed with very low error rate without having ever used a
>handwriting input system; I've only tried sometimes this one
>provided with 770, but the screen keyboard was faster and
>accurate so I've soon abandoned it.
>
>Now, with that trick, even with this first try it is way
>better than the screen keyboard. But, there is a problem,
>which I suppose could be easily solved, so the reason for this mail:
>
>sometimes, I need to write capital letters, of course. I don't
>want to define them as symbols, because they easily interfere
>with other ones, this is something to definetely avoid. But,
>the solution is simple: there should be a "caps-lock" button
>in the handwriting input application! I will continue to use
>my lowercase symbols, but with the caps-lock enabled they will
>be considered as capitals. Smooth and easy, isn't it?
>
>Can I hope this will be added in next firmware update? Just a
>little button, would improve the usability of the entire
>device a lot. I suggest this for everyone: use just ONE symbol
>for a character, and define symbols for as little chars as
>possible - this way the error rate is zero or really low, and
>you can handwrite 90% of the stuff you need to (supposing we
>have the caps-lock button improvement, otherwise the
>percentage falls down). Try it, if you ususally use the
>on-screen keyboard: it's not that bad with this trick.
>
>--
>Antonio
>_______________________________________________
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