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mike at cchtml

Jun 25, 2012, 7:06 PM

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Good bye!

Seeing Maemo as an opportunity to have a full, Linux experience to take
with me on the go was exciting. Several years of active community
members and developers gave proof that that excitement was real.
Unfortunately all of that excitement had been extinguished once the
hardware hit a brick wall. This e-mail seems like a belated good-bye
seeing that no real activity in Maemo has happened in over a year. I
refer Maemo as both 5 and 6(MeeGo).

The last great stand, a.k.a. "Community Awards", was nothing more than a
front to give away hardware mostly to friends. This embodies the Maemo
community (perhaps Debian from where it was derived) as I saw it as a
self-centered, self-righteous body. The proof lies in the empty mailing
lists (which only became active when a free prize was dangled from a
stick), the lack of members running for council, the absence of news on
Linux/mobile sites, and the absence of change to the software ecosphere.
I do not discount the work done with the CSSU or kernel, but this work
can only go so far with the hardware they run on and with the limited
resources (2-3 people?) at hand. The purpose of this email is to not,
hypocritically, belittle others, but to wish them well on finding new
projects with a larger chance of success.

It is time for me to move on and wrap up this rant that will disappear
into the Internet Ocean of bits forever. I had fun while it lasted. I
engaged with new people and expanded my horizons a bit (never used dpkg
until Maemo). I hope another company considers a Linux phone in the
future, but I might have better luck wishing to see the tooth fairy.

Sincerely,
Michael
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luke at dashjr

Jun 25, 2012, 7:51 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:06:25 AM Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> The last great stand, a.k.a. "Community Awards", was nothing more than a
> front to give away hardware mostly to friends.

While I would agree some of us may have been under-appreciated due to the
limited involvement of the Council members in the greater NIT community, and
am disappointed at my own loss in the awards, at the same time I must admit
that of the people I know who *did* win, they certainly weren't "merely
friends" and certainly did make notable contributions.

P.S. If any of the N950 winners is looking to sell or trade... shoot me an
email please!
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twilight312 at gmail

Jun 25, 2012, 9:05 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Michael, it's surprising, and even a little entertaining, to read
that "no activity happened in Maemo during last year". You're entitled
to have whatever opinion You like, but it seems to me, that most
people - really involved in Maemo - would call it more active year
*ever*, especially in light of things that are going to happen soon.

As per Your accusations vs. CA, I'm not sure if I should be even
commenting on them - as clearly, You don't have slightest point on how
CA rules were shaped, since when we discussed, and, overall, how those
rules came to life (probably, you don't have a clue about CA rules
too, but, whatever) - instead, relying on small, yet loud minority's
opinions from TMO.
---

Nevertheless, I wish You good luck at whatever "greener pastures"
You're going to. If You're going to enjoy it even partially as much,
as we do (and will, even more!) enjoy Maemo and it's Community, it's
probably going to be fun time for You :)

/Estel

2012/6/26, Luke-Jr <luke [at] dashjr>:
> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:06:25 AM Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>> The last great stand, a.k.a. "Community Awards", was nothing more than a
>> front to give away hardware mostly to friends.
>
> While I would agree some of us may have been under-appreciated due to the
> limited involvement of the Council members in the greater NIT community, and
>
> am disappointed at my own loss in the awards, at the same time I must admit
>
> that of the people I know who *did* win, they certainly weren't "merely
> friends" and certainly did make notable contributions.
>
> P.S. If any of the N950 winners is looking to sell or trade... shoot me an
> email please!
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
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claudebucher at gmail

Jun 25, 2012, 9:25 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9 from the
CA...
would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?

On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community mailing
lists] <ml-node+s2589537n7580205h28 [at] n2> wrote:

> Seeing Maemo as an opportunity to have a full, Linux experience to take
> with me on the go was exciting. Several years of active community
> members and developers gave proof that that excitement was real.
> Unfortunately all of that excitement had been extinguished once the
> hardware hit a brick wall. This e-mail seems like a belated good-bye
> seeing that no real activity in Maemo has happened in over a year. I
> refer Maemo as both 5 and 6(MeeGo).
>
> The last great stand, a.k.a. "Community Awards", was nothing more than a
> front to give away hardware mostly to friends. This embodies the Maemo
> community (perhaps Debian from where it was derived) as I saw it as a
> self-centered, self-righteous body. The proof lies in the empty mailing
> lists (which only became active when a free prize was dangled from a
> stick), the lack of members running for council, the absence of news on
> Linux/mobile sites, and the absence of change to the software ecosphere.
> I do not discount the work done with the CSSU or kernel, but this work
> can only go so far with the hardware they run on and with the limited
> resources (2-3 people?) at hand. The purpose of this email is to not,
> hypocritically, belittle others, but to wish them well on finding new
> projects with a larger chance of success.
>
> It is time for me to move on and wrap up this rant that will disappear
> into the Internet Ocean of bits forever. I had fun while it lasted. I
> engaged with new people and expanded my horizons a bit (never used dpkg
> until Maemo). I hope another company considers a Linux phone in the
> future, but I might have better luck wishing to see the tooth fairy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Michael
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jedi.theone at gmail

Jun 25, 2012, 9:35 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Well, that's all just like your uninformed opinion bro, amusing read though.

On 26/06/12 12:06 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Seeing Maemo as an opportunity to have a full, Linux experience to take
> with me on the go was exciting. Several years of active community
> members and developers gave proof that that excitement was real.
> Unfortunately all of that excitement had been extinguished once the
> hardware hit a brick wall. This e-mail seems like a belated good-bye
> seeing that no real activity in Maemo has happened in over a year. I
> refer Maemo as both 5 and 6(MeeGo).
>
> The last great stand, a.k.a. "Community Awards", was nothing more than a
> front to give away hardware mostly to friends. This embodies the Maemo
> community (perhaps Debian from where it was derived) as I saw it as a
> self-centered, self-righteous body. The proof lies in the empty mailing
> lists (which only became active when a free prize was dangled from a
> stick), the lack of members running for council, the absence of news on
> Linux/mobile sites, and the absence of change to the software ecosphere.
> I do not discount the work done with the CSSU or kernel, but this work
> can only go so far with the hardware they run on and with the limited
> resources (2-3 people?) at hand. The purpose of this email is to not,
> hypocritically, belittle others, but to wish them well on finding new
> projects with a larger chance of success.
>
> It is time for me to move on and wrap up this rant that will disappear
> into the Internet Ocean of bits forever. I had fun while it lasted. I
> engaged with new people and expanded my horizons a bit (never used dpkg
> until Maemo). I hope another company considers a Linux phone in the
> future, but I might have better luck wishing to see the tooth fairy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
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> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
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jedi.theone at gmail

Jun 25, 2012, 9:38 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Exactly my observation...
I made a point of reviewing any I didn't recognise (which wasn't many) &
they've ALL made amazing contributions.

On 26/06/12 12:51 PM, Luke-Jr wrote:
> at the same time I must admit that of the people I know who *did* win, they certainly weren't "merely
> friends" and certainly did make notable contributions.
>
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jedi.theone at gmail

Jun 25, 2012, 9:43 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

LOL....

On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9 from
> the CA...
> would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
>
> On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community mailing
> lists] <[hidden email] </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> wrote:
>
> Seeing Maemo as an opportunity to have a full, Linux experience to take
> with me on the go was exciting. Several years of active community
> members and developers gave proof that that excitement was real.
> Unfortunately all of that excitement had been extinguished once the
> hardware hit a brick wall. This e-mail seems like a belated good-bye
> seeing that no real activity in Maemo has happened in over a year. I
> refer Maemo as both 5 and 6(MeeGo).
>
> The last great stand, a.k.a. "Community Awards", was nothing more
> than a
> front to give away hardware mostly to friends. This embodies the Maemo
> community (perhaps Debian from where it was derived) as I saw it as a
> self-centered, self-righteous body. The proof lies in the empty mailing
> lists (which only became active when a free prize was dangled from a
> stick), the lack of members running for council, the absence of news on
> Linux/mobile sites, and the absence of change to the software
> ecosphere.
> I do not discount the work done with the CSSU or kernel, but this work
> can only go so far with the hardware they run on and with the limited
> resources (2-3 people?) at hand. The purpose of this email is to not,
> hypocritically, belittle others, but to wish them well on finding new
> projects with a larger chance of success.
>
> It is time for me to move on and wrap up this rant that will disappear
> into the Internet Ocean of bits forever. I had fun while it lasted. I
> engaged with new people and expanded my horizons a bit (never used dpkg
> until Maemo). I hope another company considers a Linux phone in the
> future, but I might have better luck wishing to see the tooth fairy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Michael
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Jun 25, 2012, 11:21 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a device, as
much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement in a questionable
light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i guess...

what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even thought the CA
winner list thread must already have debated this ad nauseam....) is the
fact that several if not all members of the Council won a N950;
a couple thoughts about this
no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each of the
current Council member, they all made considerable contributions to the
Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent one (!)
what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices were granted
on base of... missed coding competition opportunities, to put it bluntly.
is this what this community is all about? coding?
if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a different light
IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is going to be
needed to save the community...

however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...

On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail> wrote:

> LOL....
>
>
> On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
>
>> can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9 from
>> the CA...
>> would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
>>
>> On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community mailing
>> lists] <[hidden email] </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=**
>> node&node=7580208&i=0>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>

jedi.theone at gmail

Jun 25, 2012, 11:41 PM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
contribution were to be granted a CA.
That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
effort/skill/time.
So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
other community contributors.
I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
deserving users who missed out.

On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a device,
> as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement in a questionable
> light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i guess...
>
> what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even thought the CA
> winner list thread must already have debated this ad nauseam....) is the
> fact that several if not all members of the Council won a N950;
> a couple thoughts about this
> no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each of the
> current Council member, they all made considerable contributions to the
> Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent one (!)
> what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices were
> granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities, to put it
> bluntly.
> is this what this community is all about? coding?
> if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a different light
> IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is going to be
> needed to save the community...
>
> however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
>
> On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> LOL....
>
>
> On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
>
> can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> from
> the CA...
> would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
>
> On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community
> mailing
> lists] <[hidden email]
> </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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twilight312 at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 12:25 AM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Thanks for wise words.

What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of course, I talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do "bashing on already dead horse".

/Estel

On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail> wrote:

> You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
> Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> contribution were to be granted a CA.
> That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> effort/skill/time.
> So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
> other community contributors.
> I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> deserving users who missed out.
>
> On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement in a
> > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i guess...
> >
> > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even thought the
> > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad nauseam....)
> > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won a N950;
> > a couple thoughts about this
> > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each of the
> > current Council member, they all made considerable contributions to the
> > Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent one (!)
> > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices were
> > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities, to put
> > it bluntly.
> > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a different light
> > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is going to be
> > needed to save the community...
> >
> > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> >
> > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> > <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
> >
> > LOL....
> >
> >
> > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> >
> > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > from
> > the CA...
> > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
> >
> > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [via maemo community
> > mailing
> > lists] <[hidden email]
> > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> >
>
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claudebucher at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 12:31 AM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

check you facts
i never applied for a device

On 26 June 2012 08:41, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail> wrote:

> You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
> Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> contribution were to be granted a CA.
> That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> effort/skill/time.
> So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
> other community contributors.
> I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions haven't
> had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> deserving users who missed out.
>

jedi.theone at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 12:31 AM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Are you saying he reacted angrily?
In some ways I wouldn't blame him.

On 26/06/12 5:25 PM, twilight312 [at] gmail wrote:
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of course, I
> talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do "bashing on
> already dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable contributions to
> the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent one
> (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities, to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a different
> light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [.via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
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Jun 26, 2012, 12:36 AM

Post #13 of 28 (478 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

So what, my point still holds.

On 26/06/12 5:31 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> check you facts
> i never applied for a device
>
> On 26 June 2012 08:41, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
> in-depth. Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> contribution were to be granted a CA.
> That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> effort/skill/time.
> So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out
> over other community contributors.
> I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> deserving users who missed out.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>

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Jun 26, 2012, 12:44 AM

Post #14 of 28 (479 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Piotr.,

don't mention it ;)

as to INABT...
Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
�seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out the
body and cripples the soul.�
if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably lost
"the soul", no?

On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312 [at] gmail <twilight312 [at] gmail> wrote:

> **
>
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of course, I talk
> about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do "bashing on already
> dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable contributions to
> the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent one
> (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities, to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a different
> light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail <jedi.theone [at] gmail>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future" idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [.via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community [at] maemo
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>

psleggs at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 12:50 AM

Post #15 of 28 (478 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Guys please be fair. Enough of this bashing. Everyone was doing what
they were doing before the CA was announced. In times like these when
an antagonist serves a rage ball and this ball is on your side of the
net as it where. It is best to stop playing the game. Let them have a
win and have the final say.

On 26/06/2012 08:44, claude bucher wrote:
> Piotr.,
>
> don't mention it ;)
>
> as to INABT...
> Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
> �seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out
> the body and cripples the soul.�
> if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably
> lost "the soul", no?
>
> On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312 [at] gmail
> <mailto:twilight312 [at] gmail> <twilight312 [at] gmail
> <mailto:twilight312 [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of
> course, I talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do
> "bashing on already dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
> in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win
> out over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list
> have had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement
> in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i
> guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even
> thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad
> nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won
> a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for
> each of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable
> contributions to the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most
> recent one (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices
> were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities,
> to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a
> different light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is
> going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future"
> idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [.via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
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Jun 26, 2012, 12:52 AM

Post #16 of 28 (481 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

whatever man, you finished whining yet.

On 26/06/12 5:44 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> Piotr.,
>
> don't mention it ;)
>
> as to INABT...
> Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
> �seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out the
> body and cripples the soul.�
> if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably lost
> "the soul", no?
>
> On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312 [at] gmail
> <mailto:twilight312 [at] gmail> <twilight312 [at] gmail
> <mailto:twilight312 [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> __
>
> Thanks for wise words.
>
> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of course,
> I talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do "bashing
> on already dead horse".
>
> /Estel
>
>
> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
>
> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
> in-depth.
> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
> > effort/skill/time.
> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win out
> over
> > other community contributors.
> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list have
> had.
> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
> > deserving users who missed out.
> >
> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement
> in a
> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i
> guess...
> > >
> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even
> thought the
> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad
> nauseam....)
> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won
> a N950;
> > > a couple thoughts about this
> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for each
> of the
> > > current Council member, they all made considerable
> contributions to the
> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most recent
> one (!)
> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices
> were
> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities,
> to put
> > > it bluntly.
> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a
> different light
> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is
> going to be
> > > needed to save the community...
> > >
> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>
> > > <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL....
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
> > >
> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
> > > from
> > > the CA...
> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future"
> idea?
> > >
> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [.via maemo community
> > > mailing
> > > lists] <[hidden email]
> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > maemo-community mailing list
> > > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
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>
>
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Jun 26, 2012, 12:55 AM

Post #17 of 28 (478 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

This from w00t of all people?
Agreed with the sentiments/point though.

On 26/06/12 5:50 PM, Paul Sleggs wrote:
> Guys please be fair. Enough of this bashing. Everyone was doing what
> they were doing before the CA was announced. In times like these when
> an antagonist serves a rage ball and this ball is on your side of the
> net as it where. It is best to stop playing the game. Let them have a
> win and have the final say.
>
>
> On 26/06/2012 08:44, claude bucher wrote:
>> Piotr.,
>>
>> don't mention it ;)
>>
>> as to INABT...
>> Pierre Coubertin, the "father" of the modern olympic games once said...
>> �seeking record is as bad for the body as for the soul; it wears out
>> the body and cripples the soul.�
>> if a member of the Community was only seeking a device, he probably
>> lost "the soul", no?
>>
>> On 26 June 2012 09:25, twilight312 [at] gmail
>> <mailto:twilight312 [at] gmail> <twilight312 [at] gmail
>> <mailto:twilight312 [at] gmail>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for wise words.
>>
>> What surprised me most, was INABT reaction to his loss - of
>> course, I talk about unpleasant surprise - but, I don't want to do
>> "bashing on already dead horse".
>>
>> /Estel
>>
>>
>> On wto 26 cze 2012 08:41:42 CEST, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
>> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
>>
>> > You clearly didn't follow all the threads, this was discussed
>> in-depth.
>> > Everyone agreed they should be allowed to partake too.
>> > Re-read the criteria, whoever was deemed to have made the biggest
>> > contribution were to be granted a CA.
>> > That did not EXCLUDE people who contributed through coding efforts.
>> > Generally such efforts have the biggest impact & require far more
>> > effort/skill/time.
>> > So it's only logical that more of such contributors would win
>> out over
>> > other community contributors.
>> > I was disappointed that I didn't win, but I know my contributions
>> > haven't had anywhere near the impact that others on the list
>> have had.
>> > Have an honest look at yourself, can you honestly say the opposite?
>> > I noticed INABT didn't make the cut, that was very surprising.
>> > But the competition was so tight, there was always going to be some
>> > deserving users who missed out.
>> >
>> > On 26/06/12 4:21 PM, claude bucher wrote:
>> > > there is absolutely nothing to be amused about here
>> > > and i'm not talking about Micheal's disappointment not getting a
>> > > device, as much as it put his "hitting a brick wall" statement
>> in a
>> > > questionable light; wouldn't have minded keeping a brick i
>> guess...
>> > >
>> > > what may frustrate Micheal (and others, most likely, even
>> thought the
>> > > CA winner list thread must already have debated this ad
>> nauseam....)
>> > > is the fact that several if not all members of the Council won
>> a N950;
>> > > a couple thoughts about this
>> > > no matter what personal likes or dislikes one may have for
>> each of the
>> > > current Council member, they all made considerable
>> contributions to the
>> > > Community and their being in the Council is but the most
>> recent one (!)
>> > > what is maybe more questionable is that many of the CA devices
>> were
>> > > granted on base of... missed coding competition opportunities,
>> to put
>> > > it bluntly.
>> > > is this what this community is all about? coding?
>> > > if that's the case, Micheal's statement appears under a
>> different light
>> > > IF NOKIA decides to pull out of Maemo, more then coding is
>> going to be
>> > > needed to save the community...
>> > >
>> > > however this may be, nothing to be laughing about...
>> > >
>> > > On 26 June 2012 06:43, Jed <jedi.theone [at] gmail
>> <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>
>> > > <mailto:jedi.theone [at] gmail>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > LOL....
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 26/06/12 2:25 PM, misterc wrote:
>> > >
>> > > can't help noticing that a couple weeks ago you applied for a N9
>> > > from
>> > > the CA...
>> > > would winning one have changed your opinion on the "no future"
>> idea?
>> > >
>> > > On 26 June 2012 04:07, Michael Cronenworth [.via maemo community
>> > > mailing
>> > > lists] <[hidden email]
>> > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=__node&node=7580208&i=0>>
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > maemo-community mailing list
>> > > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
>> > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>> > >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > maemo-community mailing list
>> > maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
>> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> maemo-community [at] maemo <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>
>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
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>
>
>
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Jun 26, 2012, 2:40 AM

Post #18 of 28 (477 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
> whatever man, you finished whining yet.

Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:

Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!

andre

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Jun 26, 2012, 2:53 AM

Post #19 of 28 (478 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

You're fucking kidding me right?
Look at the freaking tone of the others posts.

They were nothing but a big bitch session because they:
a) didn't win
OR
b) were "suspicious" of the entire process

I addressed that in a non-snarky way yet the bitching continued.
Sorry, but continued bitching -> snarky response.
And fuck you to "Mr manners" ;-)

Jed

On 26/06/12 7:40 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
>> whatever man, you finished whining yet.
>
> Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
> except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
> mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:
>
> Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!
>
> andre
>
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jedi.theone at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 2:53 AM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

You're fucking kidding me right?
Look at the freaking tone of the others posts.

They were nothing but a big bitch session because they:
a) didn't win
OR
b) were "suspicious" of the entire process

I addressed that in a non-snarky way yet the bitching continued.
Sorry, but continued bitching -> snarky response.
And fuck you too "Mr manners" ;-)

Jed

On 26/06/12 7:40 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
>> whatever man, you finished whining yet.
>
> Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
> except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
> mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:
>
> Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!
>
> andre
>
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claudebucher at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 3:02 AM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Andr�,

thank you for your support.
i guess the netiquette of old still holds... don't feed the troll, no
matter how little they have to contribute ;)

On 26 June 2012 11:40, Andre Klapper <andre_klapper [at] gmx> wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
> > whatever man, you finished whining yet.
>
> Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
> except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
> mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:
>
> Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!
>
> andre
>
> _______________________________________________
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psleggs at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 3:05 AM

Post #22 of 28 (477 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

/Full-quoting, answering above the quote

/These terms are unfamiliar to me. Can you point out an appropriate 'guide' to using the mailing list in a respectful fashion?

On 26/06/2012 10:40, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
>> whatever man, you finished whining yet.
> Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
> except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
> mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:
>
> Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!
>
> andre
>
> _______________________________________________
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> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community

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Jun 26, 2012, 3:10 AM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:02:42PM +0200, claude bucher wrote:
> i guess the netiquette of old still holds...

Obviously not. I would like to this opportunity to urge everyone to
please avoid top-posting and posting HTML to the list.

Thank you.

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jedi.theone at gmail

Jun 26, 2012, 3:12 AM

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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

LOL that's funny, you call your last few posts "contributions" do you.
It's amazing he'd even be siding with your post (which sought to
continue the initial troll post) over my (initially) calm/polite response.
I can only assume he suffered some kind of brief reading comprehension fail.
Tell me, what are your actual contributions to TMO, apart from your loud
mouth on this list?

On 26/06/12 8:02 PM, claude bucher wrote:
> Andr�,
>
> thank you for your support.
> i guess the netiquette of old still holds... don't feed the troll, no
> matter how little they have to contribute ;)
>
> On 26 June 2012 11:40, Andre Klapper <andre_klapper [at] gmx
> <mailto:andre_klapper [at] gmx>> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:52 +1000, Jed wrote:
> > whatever man, you finished whining yet.
>
> Full-quoting, answering above the quote, having nothing to express
> except for a snarky comment that does not interest anybody else on the
> mailing list, and most importantly missing respect towards others:
>
> Welcome to maemo-community mailing list in June 2012!
>
> andre
>
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>
>
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howards at gmx

Jun 26, 2012, 8:58 AM

Post #25 of 28 (474 views)
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Re: Good bye! [In reply to]

Sorry to see you go, but sure the door can always swing both ways if you decide to come back?

Howard.

On 26/06/2012 03:06, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

Seeing Maemo as an opportunity to have a full, Linux experience to take with me on the go was exciting. Several years of active community members and developers gave proof that that excitement was real. Unfortunately all of that excitement had been extinguished once the hardware hit a brick wall. This e-mail seems like a belated good-bye seeing that no real activity in Maemo has happened in over a year. I refer Maemo as both 5 and 6(MeeGo).

The last great stand, a.k.a. "Community Awards", was nothing more than a front to give away hardware mostly to friends. This embodies the Maemo community (perhaps Debian from where it was derived) as I saw it as a self-centered, self-righteous body. The proof lies in the empty mailing lists (which only became active when a free prize was dangled from a stick), the lack of members running for council, the absence of news on Linux/mobile sites, and the absence of change to the software ecosphere. I do not discount the work done with the CSSU or kernel, but this work can only go so far with the hardware they run on and with the limited resources (2-3 people?) at hand. The purpose of this email is to not, hypocritically, belittle others, but to wish them well on finding new projects with a larger chance of success.

It is time for me to move on and wrap up this rant that will disappear into the Internet Ocean of bits forever. I had fun while it lasted. I engaged with new people and expanded my horizons a bit (never used dpkg until Maemo). I hope another company considers a Linux phone in the future, but I might have better luck wishing to see the tooth fairy.

Sincerely,
Michael
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