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texrat at ovi

May 16, 2011, 11:15 AM

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Re: Banners on maemo.org [In reply to]

I will gladly second Attila's comments below.
 
Randy
(still top-posting in protest until I get completely off of Ovi)

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From: Attila Csipa <maemo [at] csipa>
To: maemo-community [at] maemo
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Banners on maemo.org

On Monday 16 May 2011 15:20:39 you wrote:
> It also needs to
> return changes back from Maemo to Debian to be in compliance with the GPL.
> There is a project for this called "DEX" and I strongly advise the council
> and all members of Maemo to look into it and participate. This project was
> created explicitly for Debian derivatives like Maemo. Canonical's CTO is
> actively moving patches from Ubuntu back to Debian through DEX. Maemo
> should do this too.

Just to clarify things - the Council is about maemo.org and the community
built around it. It does not own or distribute Maemo (the OS), which was and
is under the Nokia umbrella - and we definitely want to see as much of Maemo
open and public as possible, even if with arguable outcome on that front. We
also support and respect related distributions like Debian and want to keep
the CSSU completely open and in full compliance with the GPL. It's another
matter that most of these updates make little sense to upstream - they are
mostly Maemo/mobile specific or are upstream to Debian itself. Another problem
is that even with the open parts of Maemo, the maintainers are often Nokians
who have moved on, so we have a bunch of patches/diffs that we will have a hard
time explaining and rationalizing if we submit them to Debian. Don't get me
wrong, personally I really wish to cooperate with Debian as much possible, but
it's no trivial task and we're sadly way too short on manpower, so the only
way I see serious movement there is for people to step up - and I believe they
will have the Council's support for that.



Best regards,
Attila Csipa
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jeremiah at jeremiahfoster

May 17, 2011, 3:10 AM

Post #27 of 27 (345 views)
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Re: Banners on maemo.org [In reply to]

On May 16, 2011, at 20:05, Attila Csipa wrote:

> On Monday 16 May 2011 15:20:39 you wrote:
>> It also needs to
>> return changes back from Maemo to Debian to be in compliance with the GPL.
>> There is a project for this called "DEX" and I strongly advise the council
>> and all members of Maemo to look into it and participate. This project was
>> created explicitly for Debian derivatives like Maemo. Canonical's CTO is
>> actively moving patches from Ubuntu back to Debian through DEX. Maemo
>> should do this too.
>
> Just to clarify things - the Council is about maemo.org and the community
> built around it. It does not own or distribute Maemo (the OS), which was and
> is under the Nokia umbrella - and we definitely want to see as much of Maemo
> open and public as possible, even if with arguable outcome on that front. We
> also support and respect related distributions like Debian and want to keep
> the CSSU completely open and in full compliance with the GPL. It's another
> matter that most of these updates make little sense to upstream - they are
> mostly Maemo/mobile specific or are upstream to Debian itself. Another problem
> is that even with the open parts of Maemo, the maintainers are often Nokians
> who have moved on, so we have a bunch of patches/diffs that we will have a hard
> time explaining and rationalizing if we submit them to Debian. Don't get me
> wrong, personally I really wish to cooperate with Debian as much possible, but
> it's no trivial task and we're sadly way too short on manpower, so the only
> way I see serious movement there is for people to step up - and I believe they
> will have the Council's support for that.

This is an excellent summary of the challenges placed upon Maemo and the Maemo council. By focusing on banners I may have minimized the other important work the council does and I do not want to do that. I think the council has taken on a lot of responsibility and should be commended for their hard work as Maemo moves from a Nokia project to a community project.

Regards,

Jeremaih
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