andrew at bleb
Sep 7, 2010, 6:12 AM
Post #11 of 24
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:16, Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
Re: maemo.org team meeting Tuesday the 14th?
[In reply to]
> We haven't had a meeting like that since the last council election, and
> it's been missed. I agree with you that we need to change the way we do
> sprint meetings - I don't think that the staff should be setting their
> own goals, I think that the council/community should be setting them.
Not wanting to be totally unconstructive, but the community *did* set
priorities and then gave the staff ownership of those tasks to deliver
them. Nobody came back and said "can't do that" or "that's just
> But we need the way-points.
I seem to remember arguing for way-points and reporting and was argued
against. I *think* the arguments were that professionals could be
trusted, there were already multiple feedback mechanisms and so on.
I'm _not_ going to, effectively, waste a couple of hours of my time
dealing with a meeting in which a) not everyone turns up; b) we shrug
off the fact that something which "must" have been done wasn't. If
there isn't the effort (and, ultimately, respect) to provide a short
email ahead of time from each participant to save time being wasted,
we'll end up either in the situation where it goes back to a meeting
where people check things off a list (or don't) OR we go to a MeeGo
TSG-style meeting where decisions have to be taken there, but none of
the materials have been prepared or read ahead of time.
> For my part, I did not do any Maemo work in July, or most of August.
> July, I was working flat out on other projects, August I took 3 weeks
> vacation. Since returning from vacation, I've basically not done a lot
> of Maemo work either - keeping up with forums, and starting the ball
> rolling on elections, and pitching in (unbilled) for various MeeGo
> I am contracted for 50 hours a month (~1/4 time) until December, at
> which point it is looking like there will no longer be a budget (or,
> perhaps, a need) for my position.
OOI, although it's probably not relevant to this discussion (or -
indeed - any of my business) does your holiday get split across your
projects? In other words, your holiday cost 3/4 of a week (i.e. about
3.5 days) "Maemo" time. More a question for Tero to be concerned
about, but do _you_ think we are getting value for money for that 50
hours? Although 50 hours isn't much and can go like a flash :-(
>> How about, I'll attend - and support - a meeting, if everyone who's
>> responsible for a task from the Brainstorm comes forward, describes
>> the status of the committed tasks and gives a quick summary of what
>> they've been working on for the past few months.
> Brainstorm was about setting a 6 month agenda, not monthly way-points.
> I'm still missing a first planning meeting following on from the
> brainstorm, to be honest.
There was a Brainstorm review meeting (which, unfortunately, I
couldn't attend) which produced a set of committed tasks and relevant
owners. That was followed up by emails - to this list - requesting an
outline plan from each owner.
The first real communication on *anything* coming out of the
Brainstorm was Karsten's Bugzilla 3.4 email last week.
So, here's a a suggested agenda:
1) Overview of current paid resources for maemo.org, and
current thoughts on roadmap/future (Tero Kojo)
2) Overview of Brainstorm roadmap progress & current status:
* Introduction (Community Council rep)
* SSO (Tero/Niels)
* Garage (Ferenc)
* Packages & Downloads (Niels)
* Bugzilla (Andre)
* Wiki (Dave)
* Planet & News (Henri)
* Talk (Reggie)
3) Next steps (Community Council rep)
Is there anything else which should show up under "2"? The original
minutes of the meeting said "planned Nemein work" which was never
clarified. If (2) contains status and progress, that should hopefully
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