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andrew at bleb

Nov 1, 2009, 3:41 AM

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Brainstorm: useful?

Hi,
----------------
This has been spun-off from an aside I made on -developers, as per
Graham's request. It is not meant to be inflammatory, or suggest
that the enthusiasm for discussion (from both Nokia and the
community) is unwanted; just perhaps that we don't have the right
tools and processes in place to handle them.
----------------

Can anyone point to a brainstorm idea which has been successfully
implemented, or produced an outcome which reflects the benefits of an
actual, real-world, brainstorm? I'm increasingly forming the opinion
that brainstorm users often conflate problems and solutions, and the
whole concept is based around the opinion that everyone's opinion and
solutions are equal. They aren't: some people design better systems
than others.

Similarly, there's no chance of persuasion and debate. Mailing lists
are a much more powerful tool, IMHO. Perhaps brainstorm is best to eke
out the *requirements*, which are then fed to the experts on a mailing
list for debate and discussion as to how best to implement those
requirements? (Not that brainstorm really results in any ownership
either)

However, if people can point to it as a success story, I'll be very
happy to be dissuaded of this notion :-)

Thanks in advance,

Andrew

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jsmanrique at gmail

Nov 1, 2009, 6:13 AM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi,

I think that brainstorming or any discussion is useful if "users" see
results from it. I am not sure if "implemented ideas" are the result
people is expecting...
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/list/implemented/fremantle/

any way, the brainstorm website seems too complex, too long, ... Something like:
Ideas
---------
[Idea title] [number of proposed solutions]
[Idea brief]
--------
[Idea title] [number of proposed solutions]
[Idea brief]
--------
[Idea title] [number of proposed solutions]
[Idea brief]

Just to have a main ideas view, and you can switch to speficic item,
instead of a long scroll page...

Best regards,

2009/11/1 Andrew Flegg <andrew [at] bleb>:
> Hi,
>    ----------------
>    This has been spun-off from an aside I made on -developers, as per
>    Graham's request. It is not meant to be inflammatory, or suggest
>    that the enthusiasm for discussion (from both Nokia and the
>    community) is unwanted; just perhaps that we don't have the right
>    tools and processes in place to handle them.
>    ----------------
>
> Can anyone point to a brainstorm idea which has been successfully
> implemented, or produced an outcome which reflects the benefits of an
> actual, real-world, brainstorm? I'm increasingly forming the opinion
> that brainstorm users often conflate problems and solutions, and the
> whole concept is based around the opinion that everyone's opinion and
> solutions are equal. They aren't: some people design better systems
> than others.
>
> Similarly, there's no chance of persuasion and debate. Mailing lists
> are a much more powerful tool, IMHO. Perhaps brainstorm is best to eke
> out the *requirements*, which are then fed to the experts on a mailing
> list for debate and discussion as to how best to implement those
> requirements? (Not that brainstorm really results in any ownership
> either)
>
> However, if people can point to it as a success story, I'll be very
> happy to be dissuaded of this notion :-)
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Andrew
>
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jsmanrique at gmail

Nov 1, 2009, 6:14 AM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

And perhaps the Brainstorm RSS should work a bit better... to make
easier following ideas discussions.

2009/11/1 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <jsmanrique [at] gmail>:
> Hi,
>
> I think that brainstorming or any discussion is useful if "users" see
> results from it. I am not sure if "implemented ideas" are the result
> people is expecting...
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/list/implemented/fremantle/
>
> any way, the brainstorm website seems too complex, too long, ... Something like:
> Ideas
> ---------
> [Idea title] [number of proposed solutions]
> [Idea brief]
> --------
> [Idea title] [number of proposed solutions]
> [Idea brief]
> --------
> [Idea title] [number of proposed solutions]
> [Idea brief]
>
> Just to have a main ideas view, and you can switch to speficic item,
> instead of a long scroll page...
>
> Best regards,
>
> 2009/11/1 Andrew Flegg <andrew [at] bleb>:
>> Hi,
>>    ----------------
>>    This has been spun-off from an aside I made on -developers, as per
>>    Graham's request. It is not meant to be inflammatory, or suggest
>>    that the enthusiasm for discussion (from both Nokia and the
>>    community) is unwanted; just perhaps that we don't have the right
>>    tools and processes in place to handle them.
>>    ----------------
>>
>> Can anyone point to a brainstorm idea which has been successfully
>> implemented, or produced an outcome which reflects the benefits of an
>> actual, real-world, brainstorm? I'm increasingly forming the opinion
>> that brainstorm users often conflate problems and solutions, and the
>> whole concept is based around the opinion that everyone's opinion and
>> solutions are equal. They aren't: some people design better systems
>> than others.
>>
>> Similarly, there's no chance of persuasion and debate. Mailing lists
>> are a much more powerful tool, IMHO. Perhaps brainstorm is best to eke
>> out the *requirements*, which are then fed to the experts on a mailing
>> list for debate and discussion as to how best to implement those
>> requirements? (Not that brainstorm really results in any ownership
>> either)
>>
>> However, if people can point to it as a success story, I'll be very
>> happy to be dissuaded of this notion :-)
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
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>> _______________________________________________
>> maemo-community mailing list
>> maemo-community [at] maemo
>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Manrique López de la Fuente
> http://www.jsmanrique.es
>



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henri.bergius at nemein

Nov 1, 2009, 8:20 AM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi,

2009/11/1 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <jsmanrique [at] gmail>:
> any way, the brainstorm website seems too complex, too long, ... Something like:

This is on the list of improvements we're working to implement:
http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/upcoming_brainstorm_improvements/


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jsmanrique at gmail

Nov 1, 2009, 8:23 AM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

thank you for the link, I'll read it

2009/11/1 Henri Bergius <henri.bergius [at] nemein>:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/11/1 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <jsmanrique [at] gmail>:
>> any way, the brainstorm website seems too complex, too long, ... Something like:
>
> This is on the list of improvements we're working to implement:
> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/upcoming_brainstorm_improvements/
>
>
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>



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texrat at ovi

Nov 1, 2009, 1:17 PM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Henri Bergius" <henri.bergius [at] nemein>
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Subject: Re: Brainstorm: useful?
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:20:26 +0200
>
>
> Hi,
>
> 2009/11/1 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <jsmanrique [at] gmail>:
> > any way, the brainstorm website seems too complex, too long, ...
> > Something like:
>
> This is on the list of improvements we're working to implement:
> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/upcoming_brainstorm_improvements/
>
>
> --
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> Nemein - Web Craftsmanship
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>

Thanks Henri.

I'm not sure offhand how much of this can be implemented, or even makes sense, but what about:

- we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move things forward

- automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties and/or lists based on tag values

For instance:

After significant discussion and voting on Brainstorm Solutions, a moderator creates a summary thread and tags it "Ready for development" (along with another tag identifying the main category). The post will include Solutions ready for action and necessary details. Saving the post triggers an email sent to the Developer's email list, where the necessary actions are defined and refined.

We could start off doing this manually...

-Randy

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henri.bergius at nemein

Nov 2, 2009, 1:10 AM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi,

The new Brainstorm UI is available for testing on internal now (for
those who have access there). For others, I posted a screenshot of the
new front page:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4067327297/

In the new UI ideas can be filtered based on Status, Milestone and
Category, or a combination of those. Each of such lists has an RSS
feed, so this should make it easy to follow the areas of Maemo you're
interested in.

2009/11/1 Randall Arnold <texrat [at] ovi>:
> - we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm
> subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move
> things forward

Categorization and statuses on Brainstorm should handle that for you,
or would you like additional tags (folksonomy) to ideas/solutions?

> - automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties and/or lists
> based on tag values

There is an RSS feed which IMO is better for notifications.

> -Randy

/Henri

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henri.bergius at nemein

Nov 2, 2009, 1:22 AM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi,

2009/11/2 Quim Gil <quim.gil [at] nokia>:
call_user_func(net_nehmer_comments_comment::get_parent_guid_uncached_static)
> [function.call-user-func]: First argument is expected to be a valid
> callback in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on
> line 465

That is due to internal having quite a mix-and-match version of
Midgard from various SVN states installed because it is being used to
test new stuff. Doesn't apply in production machines :-)

> Quim Gil

/Henri

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quim.gil at nokia

Nov 2, 2009, 1:28 AM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi,

ext Henri Bergius wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The new Brainstorm UI is available for testing on internal now (for
> those who have access there).

fwiw, copying here the feedback sent to Oskari. I also moved
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/ to
Under Development.

ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > The new UI for brainstorm is now in testing-phase on internal.

Feedback on the basic things:

Checking the URL as anonymous throws plenty of errors

Warning:
call_user_func(net_nehmer_comments_comment::get_parent_guid_uncached_static)
[function.call-user-func]: First argument is expected to be a valid
callback in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on
line 465

They disappear if you log in.

> >
> > What's done at this point:
> > * New navigation

The concept is good, but about the presentation we agreed on using the
right column, getting rid of the Community navigation ("Mailing lists",
"Wiki" etc).

The items could be sorted this way in the column:

ABOUT BRAINSTORM
"This text is intented to be short welcoming text. You can edit this
from component configuration. <link>More</link> (HIDE)

MY BRAINSTORMS
Proposals: 0
Solutions: 0
Thumbs Up: 0
Thumbs Down: 0

NEW PROPOSAL

SHOW (Feed icon)

Category
All ^

Status
All ^

Milestone
All ^

Sorted by
Votes ^


> > * Fixed rss-links

Didn't test but the URLs look good. ;)

> > * Welcome-text (if you hide welcome text while logged in, hiding get's
> > saved to your person stats and it stays hidden)

Nice idea. 3-4 lines in the column + a link to
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_brainstorm is all we need.

> > * Lovered the amount of words viewed in listing phase

Still the lists look unfinished. Adding the solutions gives too much
information. I would go for lists with simpler entries for each proposal
allowing listing more proposals in a single page. Thingls like who
posted the proposal and when are less relevant. The format could be:

<Listing criteria e.g. "Sandbox, waiting, sorted by popular">

<Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
<Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
<Proposal excerpt>

<Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
<Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
<Proposal excerpt>

etc

No selected solutions, no "Comment on idea or propose a solution" since
it's in the title link already.



> > * Selected solutions are now show a bit better in idea view.

It took me a while to realize that there is no "+ ADD NEW SOLUTION"
button, but a duplicate "MY BRAINSTORMS" button linking correctly to the
URL to submit a new idea.

Still, I couldn't find a page to check how a page with several solutions
proposed and one selected looks like. I tried to move
/community/brainstorm/view/maemo_should_run_on_netbooks/
to Under development selecting one or two solutions but I'm missing
permissions.

> >
> > There is still some things to do about what we agreed a week ago, but
> > this much I got done now, continuing after few days. I would like to
> > hear some testreports from you, is there any bugs and is there
something
> > completely wrong.

You also improved the homepage!!

I fail to deduce what are "Coldest solutions" and "Most commented"
should probably go out since the comments need to go out altogether
since Talk discussion will come instead. But I see where you are going
so let me propose something to expand it:

Hot proposals Hot solutions
* <karma> <proposal title> * <karma> <solution title> on
* 175 Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
* 10 listed * 5 listed

Fresh proposals Fresh solutions
* <MMM D> <proposal title> * <MMM D> <solution title> on
* Nov 2 - Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
* 10 listed * 5 listed

Development started Implemented
* <proposal title> * <proposal title>
* Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed

Need voters Need solutions
* <proposal title> * <proposal title>
* Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed

where

Hot proposals = Proposals with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
Consideration

Hot solutions = Solutions with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
Consideration

Fresh proposals = New proposals Under consideration

Fresh solutions = New solutions Under considerations

Development started = New proposals Under Development

Implemented = New proposals Implemented

Need voters = New proposals in Sandbox

Need solutions = New proposals without solutions in Sandbox

****

I believe people will look and use Brainstrom differently with such main
page.




Also Misc:

- Let's remove comments altogether. For now links to Talk threads can be
added manually to the proposals while being in Sandbox.

- Voting proposals is still missing. Just a friendly reminder. :)

- We agreed that solutions can't be voted while being in Sandbox. At
that stage it should be possible to vote only the Proposals.

- I can vote one thumbs up and one thumbs down on the same idea. This is
a common problem of the widget, since it's the same in Packages. Not
always though. The desired behavior is a toggle to vote either thumbs up
or down, or at least clicking again on a thumbs up/down would restate
the vote to 0.






> For others, I posted a screenshot of the
> new front page:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4067327297/
>
> In the new UI ideas can be filtered based on Status, Milestone and
> Category, or a combination of those. Each of such lists has an RSS
> feed, so this should make it easy to follow the areas of Maemo you're
> interested in.
>
> 2009/11/1 Randall Arnold <texrat [at] ovi>:
>> - we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm
>> subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move
>> things forward
>
> Categorization and statuses on Brainstorm should handle that for you,
> or would you like additional tags (folksonomy) to ideas/solutions?
>
>> - automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties and/or lists
>> based on tag values
>
> There is an RSS feed which IMO is better for notifications.
>
>> -Randy
>
> /Henri
>

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quim.gil at nokia

Nov 22, 2009, 10:31 PM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Ping? Not a single answer or apparent progress in 3 weeks? It would be
good to know at least whether you find my feedback sensible or not.

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Maemo Devices @ Nokia



Quim Gil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ext Henri Bergius wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The new Brainstorm UI is available for testing on internal now (for
>> those who have access there).
>
> fwiw, copying here the feedback sent to Oskari. I also moved
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/ to
> Under Development.
>
> ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The new UI for brainstorm is now in testing-phase on internal.
>
> Feedback on the basic things:
>
> Checking the URL as anonymous throws plenty of errors
>
> Warning:
> call_user_func(net_nehmer_comments_comment::get_parent_guid_uncached_static)
> [function.call-user-func]: First argument is expected to be a valid
> callback in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on
> line 465
>
> They disappear if you log in.
>
>>> What's done at this point:
>>> * New navigation
>
> The concept is good, but about the presentation we agreed on using the
> right column, getting rid of the Community navigation ("Mailing lists",
> "Wiki" etc).
>
> The items could be sorted this way in the column:
>
> ABOUT BRAINSTORM
> "This text is intented to be short welcoming text. You can edit this
> from component configuration. <link>More</link> (HIDE)
>
> MY BRAINSTORMS
> Proposals: 0
> Solutions: 0
> Thumbs Up: 0
> Thumbs Down: 0
>
> NEW PROPOSAL
>
> SHOW (Feed icon)
>
> Category
> All ^
>
> Status
> All ^
>
> Milestone
> All ^
>
> Sorted by
> Votes ^
>
>
>>> * Fixed rss-links
>
> Didn't test but the URLs look good. ;)
>
>>> * Welcome-text (if you hide welcome text while logged in, hiding get's
>>> saved to your person stats and it stays hidden)
>
> Nice idea. 3-4 lines in the column + a link to
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_brainstorm is all we need.
>
>>> * Lovered the amount of words viewed in listing phase
>
> Still the lists look unfinished. Adding the solutions gives too much
> information. I would go for lists with simpler entries for each proposal
> allowing listing more proposals in a single page. Thingls like who
> posted the proposal and when are less relevant. The format could be:
>
> <Listing criteria e.g. "Sandbox, waiting, sorted by popular">
>
> <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> <Proposal excerpt>
>
> <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> <Proposal excerpt>
>
> etc
>
> No selected solutions, no "Comment on idea or propose a solution" since
> it's in the title link already.
>
>
>
>>> * Selected solutions are now show a bit better in idea view.
>
> It took me a while to realize that there is no "+ ADD NEW SOLUTION"
> button, but a duplicate "MY BRAINSTORMS" button linking correctly to the
> URL to submit a new idea.
>
> Still, I couldn't find a page to check how a page with several solutions
> proposed and one selected looks like. I tried to move
> /community/brainstorm/view/maemo_should_run_on_netbooks/
> to Under development selecting one or two solutions but I'm missing
> permissions.
>
>>> There is still some things to do about what we agreed a week ago, but
>>> this much I got done now, continuing after few days. I would like to
>>> hear some testreports from you, is there any bugs and is there
> something
>>> completely wrong.
>
> You also improved the homepage!!
>
> I fail to deduce what are "Coldest solutions" and "Most commented"
> should probably go out since the comments need to go out altogether
> since Talk discussion will come instead. But I see where you are going
> so let me propose something to expand it:
>
> Hot proposals Hot solutions
> * <karma> <proposal title> * <karma> <solution title> on
> * 175 Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> * 10 listed * 5 listed
>
> Fresh proposals Fresh solutions
> * <MMM D> <proposal title> * <MMM D> <solution title> on
> * Nov 2 - Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> * 10 listed * 5 listed
>
> Development started Implemented
> * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
>
> Need voters Need solutions
> * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
>
> where
>
> Hot proposals = Proposals with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> Consideration
>
> Hot solutions = Solutions with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> Consideration
>
> Fresh proposals = New proposals Under consideration
>
> Fresh solutions = New solutions Under considerations
>
> Development started = New proposals Under Development
>
> Implemented = New proposals Implemented
>
> Need voters = New proposals in Sandbox
>
> Need solutions = New proposals without solutions in Sandbox
>
> ****
>
> I believe people will look and use Brainstrom differently with such main
> page.
>
>
>
>
> Also Misc:
>
> - Let's remove comments altogether. For now links to Talk threads can be
> added manually to the proposals while being in Sandbox.
>
> - Voting proposals is still missing. Just a friendly reminder. :)
>
> - We agreed that solutions can't be voted while being in Sandbox. At
> that stage it should be possible to vote only the Proposals.
>
> - I can vote one thumbs up and one thumbs down on the same idea. This is
> a common problem of the widget, since it's the same in Packages. Not
> always though. The desired behavior is a toggle to vote either thumbs up
> or down, or at least clicking again on a thumbs up/down would restate
> the vote to 0.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> For others, I posted a screenshot of the
>> new front page:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4067327297/
>>
>> In the new UI ideas can be filtered based on Status, Milestone and
>> Category, or a combination of those. Each of such lists has an RSS
>> feed, so this should make it easy to follow the areas of Maemo you're
>> interested in.
>>
>> 2009/11/1 Randall Arnold <texrat [at] ovi>:
>>> - we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm
>>> subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move
>>> things forward
>> Categorization and statuses on Brainstorm should handle that for you,
>> or would you like additional tags (folksonomy) to ideas/solutions?
>>
>>> - automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties and/or lists
>>> based on tag values
>> There is an RSS feed which IMO is better for notifications.
>>
>>> -Randy
>> /Henri
>>
>

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:43 PM

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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Quim Gil" <quim.gil [at] nokia>
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Subject: Re: Brainstorm: useful?
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:31:19 +0200
>
>
> Ping? Not a single answer or apparent progress in 3 weeks? It would be
> good to know at least whether you find my feedback sensible or not.
>
> --
> Quim Gil
> open source advocate
> Maemo Devices @ Nokia
>
>

Yikes! The email originally arrived when I was having severe trouble with accessing Brainstorm. I will revisit this ASAP.

Randy

>
> Quim Gil wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > ext Henri Bergius wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The new Brainstorm UI is available for testing on internal now (for
> >> those who have access there).
> >
> > fwiw, copying here the feedback sent to Oskari. I also moved
> > http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/ to
> > Under Development.
> >
> > ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> The new UI for brainstorm is now in testing-phase on internal.
> >
> > Feedback on the basic things:
> >
> > Checking the URL as anonymous throws plenty of errors
> >
> > Warning:
> > call_user_func(net_nehmer_comments_comment::get_parent_guid_uncached_static)
> > [function.call-user-func]: First argument is expected to be a valid
> > callback in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on
> > line 465
> >
> > They disappear if you log in.
> >
> >>> What's done at this point:
> >>> * New navigation
> >
> > The concept is good, but about the presentation we agreed on using the
> > right column, getting rid of the Community navigation ("Mailing lists",
> > "Wiki" etc).
> >
> > The items could be sorted this way in the column:
> >
> > ABOUT BRAINSTORM
> > "This text is intented to be short welcoming text. You can edit this
> > from component configuration. <link>More</link> (HIDE)
> >
> > MY BRAINSTORMS
> > Proposals: 0
> > Solutions: 0
> > Thumbs Up: 0
> > Thumbs Down: 0
> >
> > NEW PROPOSAL
> >
> > SHOW (Feed icon)
> >
> > Category
> > All ^
> >
> > Status
> > All ^
> >
> > Milestone
> > All ^
> >
> > Sorted by
> > Votes ^
> >
> >
> >>> * Fixed rss-links
> >
> > Didn't test but the URLs look good. ;)
> >
> >>> * Welcome-text (if you hide welcome text while logged in, hiding get's
> >>> saved to your person stats and it stays hidden)
> >
> > Nice idea. 3-4 lines in the column + a link to
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_brainstorm is all we need.
> >
> >>> * Lovered the amount of words viewed in listing phase
> >
> > Still the lists look unfinished. Adding the solutions gives too much
> > information. I would go for lists with simpler entries for each proposal
> > allowing listing more proposals in a single page. Thingls like who
> > posted the proposal and when are less relevant. The format could be:
> >
> > <Listing criteria e.g. "Sandbox, waiting, sorted by popular">
> >
> > <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> > <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> > <Proposal excerpt>
> >
> > <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> > <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> > <Proposal excerpt>
> >
> > etc
> >
> > No selected solutions, no "Comment on idea or propose a solution" since
> > it's in the title link already.
> >
> >
> >
> >>> * Selected solutions are now show a bit better in idea view.
> >
> > It took me a while to realize that there is no "+ ADD NEW SOLUTION"
> > button, but a duplicate "MY BRAINSTORMS" button linking correctly to the
> > URL to submit a new idea.
> >
> > Still, I couldn't find a page to check how a page with several solutions
> > proposed and one selected looks like. I tried to move
> > /community/brainstorm/view/maemo_should_run_on_netbooks/
> > to Under development selecting one or two solutions but I'm missing
> > permissions.
> >
> >>> There is still some things to do about what we agreed a week ago, but
> >>> this much I got done now, continuing after few days. I would like to
> >>> hear some testreports from you, is there any bugs and is there
> > something
> >>> completely wrong.
> >
> > You also improved the homepage!!
> >
> > I fail to deduce what are "Coldest solutions" and "Most commented"
> > should probably go out since the comments need to go out altogether
> > since Talk discussion will come instead. But I see where you are going
> > so let me propose something to expand it:
> >
> > Hot proposals Hot solutions
> > * <karma> <proposal title> * <karma> <solution title> on
> > * 175 Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> > * 10 listed * 5 listed
> >
> > Fresh proposals Fresh solutions
> > * <MMM D> <proposal title> * <MMM D> <solution title> on
> > * Nov 2 - Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> > * 10 listed * 5 listed
> >
> > Development started Implemented
> > * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> > * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
> >
> > Need voters Need solutions
> > * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> > * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
> >
> > where
> >
> > Hot proposals = Proposals with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> > Consideration
> >
> > Hot solutions = Solutions with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> > Consideration
> >
> > Fresh proposals = New proposals Under consideration
> >
> > Fresh solutions = New solutions Under considerations
> >
> > Development started = New proposals Under Development
> >
> > Implemented = New proposals Implemented
> >
> > Need voters = New proposals in Sandbox
> >
> > Need solutions = New proposals without solutions in Sandbox
> >
> > ****
> >
> > I believe people will look and use Brainstrom differently with such main
> > page.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Also Misc:
> >
> > - Let's remove comments altogether. For now links to Talk threads can be
> > added manually to the proposals while being in Sandbox.
> >
> > - Voting proposals is still missing. Just a friendly reminder. :)
> >
> > - We agreed that solutions can't be voted while being in Sandbox. At
> > that stage it should be possible to vote only the Proposals.
> >
> > - I can vote one thumbs up and one thumbs down on the same idea. This is
> > a common problem of the widget, since it's the same in Packages. Not
> > always though. The desired behavior is a toggle to vote either thumbs up
> > or down, or at least clicking again on a thumbs up/down would restate
> > the vote to 0.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> For others, I posted a screenshot of the
> >> new front page:
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4067327297/
> >>
> >> In the new UI ideas can be filtered based on Status, Milestone and
> >> Category, or a combination of those. Each of such lists has an RSS
> >> feed, so this should make it easy to follow the areas of Maemo you're
> >> interested in.
> >>
> >> 2009/11/1 Randall Arnold <texrat [at] ovi>:
> >>> - we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm
> >>> subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move
> >>> things forward
> >> Categorization and statuses on Brainstorm should handle that for you,
> >> or would you like additional tags (folksonomy) to ideas/solutions?
> >>
> >>> - automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties
> >>> and/or lists
> >>> based on tag values
> >> There is an RSS feed which IMO is better for notifications.
> >>
> >>> -Randy
> >> /Henri
> >>
> >
>
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oskari.kokko at iki

Nov 23, 2009, 3:16 PM

Post #12 of 47 (1344 views)
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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi

Sorry that I haven't replied at all. I had a pig visiting at my home, so
I was out of the game for over a week. I don't recomend H1N1 to anyone,
it's the worst flu ever. But last weekend I managed to do most of the
things regarding the layout changes.

I moved changes to internal just now, so people who have access there
can see what's going on.

I'll continue tomorrow with rest of the layout changes and I try to
finish all the layout things on Thursday. And I hope that I have time to
finish automoderation and activity log next weekend, I have already made
some of the work needed for automoderation.

//NetBlade

Quim Gil wrote:
> Ping? Not a single answer or apparent progress in 3 weeks? It would be
> good to know at least whether you find my feedback sensible or not.
>


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quim.gil at nokia

Nov 23, 2009, 10:20 PM

Post #13 of 47 (1341 views)
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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Ooopps! Thabnks for the work and good luck with the recovery. Now I
think that maybe I missed your reporting in Qaiku. (Really busy these
days and I haven't been following
http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ in the past weeks. :(

--
Quim Gil
open source advocate
Maemo Devices @ Nokia

ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
> Hi
>
> Sorry that I haven't replied at all. I had a pig visiting at my home, so
> I was out of the game for over a week. I don't recomend H1N1 to anyone,
> it's the worst flu ever. But last weekend I managed to do most of the
> things regarding the layout changes.
>
> I moved changes to internal just now, so people who have access there
> can see what's going on.
>
> I'll continue tomorrow with rest of the layout changes and I try to
> finish all the layout things on Thursday. And I hope that I have time to
> finish automoderation and activity log next weekend, I have already made
> some of the work needed for automoderation.
>
> //NetBlade
>
> Quim Gil wrote:
>> Ping? Not a single answer or apparent progress in 3 weeks? It would be
>> good to know at least whether you find my feedback sensible or not.
>>
>
>


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aklapper at openismus

Nov 24, 2009, 10:55 AM

Post #14 of 47 (1334 views)
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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Am Montag, den 23.11.2009, 08:31 +0200 schrieb Quim Gil:
> Ping? Not a single answer or apparent progress in 3 weeks? It would be
> good to know at least whether you find my feedback sensible or not.

Yes, it is sensible.

As great as it is to have a Brainstorm I see myself spending less time
than I want to in Brainstorm's proposals' sandbox because I don't really
like the current User Interface (e.g. new tickets should be easier to
spot; ending up at another page after editing something etc).

Hence I'd like to see these changes applied.

andre


> Quim Gil wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > ext Henri Bergius wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The new Brainstorm UI is available for testing on internal now (for
> >> those who have access there).
> >
> > fwiw, copying here the feedback sent to Oskari. I also moved
> > http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/ to
> > Under Development.
> >
> > ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> The new UI for brainstorm is now in testing-phase on internal.
> >
> > Feedback on the basic things:
> >
> > Checking the URL as anonymous throws plenty of errors
> >
> > Warning:
> > call_user_func(net_nehmer_comments_comment::get_parent_guid_uncached_static)
> > [function.call-user-func]: First argument is expected to be a valid
> > callback in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on
> > line 465
> >
> > They disappear if you log in.
> >
> >>> What's done at this point:
> >>> * New navigation
> >
> > The concept is good, but about the presentation we agreed on using the
> > right column, getting rid of the Community navigation ("Mailing lists",
> > "Wiki" etc).
> >
> > The items could be sorted this way in the column:
> >
> > ABOUT BRAINSTORM
> > "This text is intented to be short welcoming text. You can edit this
> > from component configuration. <link>More</link> (HIDE)
> >
> > MY BRAINSTORMS
> > Proposals: 0
> > Solutions: 0
> > Thumbs Up: 0
> > Thumbs Down: 0
> >
> > NEW PROPOSAL
> >
> > SHOW (Feed icon)
> >
> > Category
> > All ^
> >
> > Status
> > All ^
> >
> > Milestone
> > All ^
> >
> > Sorted by
> > Votes ^
> >
> >
> >>> * Fixed rss-links
> >
> > Didn't test but the URLs look good. ;)
> >
> >>> * Welcome-text (if you hide welcome text while logged in, hiding get's
> >>> saved to your person stats and it stays hidden)
> >
> > Nice idea. 3-4 lines in the column + a link to
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_brainstorm is all we need.
> >
> >>> * Lovered the amount of words viewed in listing phase
> >
> > Still the lists look unfinished. Adding the solutions gives too much
> > information. I would go for lists with simpler entries for each proposal
> > allowing listing more proposals in a single page. Thingls like who
> > posted the proposal and when are less relevant. The format could be:
> >
> > <Listing criteria e.g. "Sandbox, waiting, sorted by popular">
> >
> > <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> > <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> > <Proposal excerpt>
> >
> > <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> > <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> > <Proposal excerpt>
> >
> > etc
> >
> > No selected solutions, no "Comment on idea or propose a solution" since
> > it's in the title link already.
> >
> >
> >
> >>> * Selected solutions are now show a bit better in idea view.
> >
> > It took me a while to realize that there is no "+ ADD NEW SOLUTION"
> > button, but a duplicate "MY BRAINSTORMS" button linking correctly to the
> > URL to submit a new idea.
> >
> > Still, I couldn't find a page to check how a page with several solutions
> > proposed and one selected looks like. I tried to move
> > /community/brainstorm/view/maemo_should_run_on_netbooks/
> > to Under development selecting one or two solutions but I'm missing
> > permissions.
> >
> >>> There is still some things to do about what we agreed a week ago, but
> >>> this much I got done now, continuing after few days. I would like to
> >>> hear some testreports from you, is there any bugs and is there
> > something
> >>> completely wrong.
> >
> > You also improved the homepage!!
> >
> > I fail to deduce what are "Coldest solutions" and "Most commented"
> > should probably go out since the comments need to go out altogether
> > since Talk discussion will come instead. But I see where you are going
> > so let me propose something to expand it:
> >
> > Hot proposals Hot solutions
> > * <karma> <proposal title> * <karma> <solution title> on
> > * 175 Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> > * 10 listed * 5 listed
> >
> > Fresh proposals Fresh solutions
> > * <MMM D> <proposal title> * <MMM D> <solution title> on
> > * Nov 2 - Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> > * 10 listed * 5 listed
> >
> > Development started Implemented
> > * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> > * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
> >
> > Need voters Need solutions
> > * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> > * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
> >
> > where
> >
> > Hot proposals = Proposals with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> > Consideration
> >
> > Hot solutions = Solutions with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> > Consideration
> >
> > Fresh proposals = New proposals Under consideration
> >
> > Fresh solutions = New solutions Under considerations
> >
> > Development started = New proposals Under Development
> >
> > Implemented = New proposals Implemented
> >
> > Need voters = New proposals in Sandbox
> >
> > Need solutions = New proposals without solutions in Sandbox
> >
> > ****
> >
> > I believe people will look and use Brainstrom differently with such main
> > page.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Also Misc:
> >
> > - Let's remove comments altogether. For now links to Talk threads can be
> > added manually to the proposals while being in Sandbox.
> >
> > - Voting proposals is still missing. Just a friendly reminder. :)
> >
> > - We agreed that solutions can't be voted while being in Sandbox. At
> > that stage it should be possible to vote only the Proposals.
> >
> > - I can vote one thumbs up and one thumbs down on the same idea. This is
> > a common problem of the widget, since it's the same in Packages. Not
> > always though. The desired behavior is a toggle to vote either thumbs up
> > or down, or at least clicking again on a thumbs up/down would restate
> > the vote to 0.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> For others, I posted a screenshot of the
> >> new front page:
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4067327297/
> >>
> >> In the new UI ideas can be filtered based on Status, Milestone and
> >> Category, or a combination of those. Each of such lists has an RSS
> >> feed, so this should make it easy to follow the areas of Maemo you're
> >> interested in.
> >>
> >> 2009/11/1 Randall Arnold <texrat [at] ovi>:
> >>> - we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm
> >>> subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move
> >>> things forward
> >> Categorization and statuses on Brainstorm should handle that for you,
> >> or would you like additional tags (folksonomy) to ideas/solutions?
> >>
> >>> - automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties and/or lists
> >>> based on tag values
> >> There is an RSS feed which IMO is better for notifications.
> >>
> >>> -Randy
> >> /Henri
> >>
> >
>
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oskari.kokko at iki

Nov 29, 2009, 1:00 PM

Post #15 of 47 (1286 views)
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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi all

The month is nearly ending, but still managed to finalize everyting else
except activity log regarding what was assigned to me.

So, on internal, there is now latest version of brainstorm. So, feel
free to test the look and feel it has now.

Automoderation is disabled by default, but you can go to component
config on brainstorm and see what kind of configurations there is.
Automoderation is run in cron daily.

I don't have enought permissions to install things to the live site, so
I need someone else to do it. But there is couple major changes, so
whoever is doing the upgrade, please contact me, so that I can inform
you about what you need to do so that the upgrade goes smoothly.

If there is something that you find hard, feel free to comment.

I try to finalize activity log next week.

//Osku

Quim Gil wrote:
> Ooopps! Thabnks for the work and good luck with the recovery. Now I
> think that maybe I missed your reporting in Qaiku. (Really busy these
> days and I haven't been following
> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ in the past weeks. :(
>


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oskari.kokko at iki

Dec 3, 2009, 1:03 AM

Post #16 of 47 (1274 views)
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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi

We updated the brainstorm to the live site with Ferenc as we agreed on
tuesday in #maemo-meeting, so now everyone has access there.

The frontpage looks a bit overloaded at the moment, but that's something
I'll be fixing today or tomorrow at the latest. It needs a bit of love
on the css-side.

//Osku

Oskari Kokko wrote:
> Hi all
>
> The month is nearly ending, but still managed to finalize everyting else
> except activity log regarding what was assigned to me.
>
> So, on internal, there is now latest version of brainstorm. So, feel
> free to test the look and feel it has now.
>
> Automoderation is disabled by default, but you can go to component
> config on brainstorm and see what kind of configurations there is.
> Automoderation is run in cron daily.
>
> I don't have enought permissions to install things to the live site, so
> I need someone else to do it. But there is couple major changes, so
> whoever is doing the upgrade, please contact me, so that I can inform
> you about what you need to do so that the upgrade goes smoothly.
>
> If there is something that you find hard, feel free to comment.
>
> I try to finalize activity log next week.
>
> //Osku
>
> Quim Gil wrote:
>> Ooopps! Thabnks for the work and good luck with the recovery. Now I
>> think that maybe I missed your reporting in Qaiku. (Really busy these
>> days and I haven't been following
>> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ in the past weeks. :(
>>
>
>


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oskari.kokko at iki

Dec 4, 2009, 3:27 AM

Post #17 of 47 (1278 views)
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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi

Updated the frontpage layout, so things look a bit nicer now.

I enabled the automoderation now, with rules that proposal needs one
solution and 10 thumbs up before it get's transfered to "under
consideration". If you wan't to change these settings, just go to
component config and on the bottom of the screen you can edit the rules.

Also, I entered some text to the welcome-text and made it shown on the
frontpage. This one is also editable in component config.

Next week -> activity log.

//Osku

Oskari Kokko wrote:
> Hi
>
> We updated the brainstorm to the live site with Ferenc as we agreed on
> tuesday in #maemo-meeting, so now everyone has access there.
>
> The frontpage looks a bit overloaded at the moment, but that's something
> I'll be fixing today or tomorrow at the latest. It needs a bit of love
> on the css-side.
>
> //Osku
>
> Oskari Kokko wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> The month is nearly ending, but still managed to finalize everyting else
>> except activity log regarding what was assigned to me.
>>
>> So, on internal, there is now latest version of brainstorm. So, feel
>> free to test the look and feel it has now.
>>
>> Automoderation is disabled by default, but you can go to component
>> config on brainstorm and see what kind of configurations there is.
>> Automoderation is run in cron daily.
>>
>> I don't have enought permissions to install things to the live site, so
>> I need someone else to do it. But there is couple major changes, so
>> whoever is doing the upgrade, please contact me, so that I can inform
>> you about what you need to do so that the upgrade goes smoothly.
>>
>> If there is something that you find hard, feel free to comment.
>>
>> I try to finalize activity log next week.
>>
>> //Osku
>>
>> Quim Gil wrote:
>>> Ooopps! Thabnks for the work and good luck with the recovery. Now I
>>> think that maybe I missed your reporting in Qaiku. (Really busy these
>>> days and I haven't been following
>>> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ in the past weeks. :(
>>>
>>
>
>


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quim.gil at nokia

Dec 8, 2009, 4:06 AM

Post #18 of 47 (1251 views)
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Re: Brainstorm: useful? [In reply to]

Hi,

http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ is more usable and useful now,
thanks!

EVERYBODY: please vote at
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/list/?status=sandbox_waiting&milestone=&category=ALL&orderby=popular
in order to bring proposals out of the Sandbox. Yes, now *you* are the
moderators.

Yesterday I started resolving new enhancement requests at bugs.maemo.org
as MOVED to Brainstorm. Let's be strict on new enhancement requests.
Let's see how to process the old ones more efficiently.

Now the piece that is clearly missing (apart from the server power, yes)
is the connection to Talk. Can we at least cut the comments completely
so at least new Brainstorm proposals won't have own comments, forcing
the people proposing them to create the Talk threads? I hope Reggie and
you can setup the automatic solution soon.


--
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open source advocate
Maemo Devices @ Nokia


ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
> Hi
>
> Updated the frontpage layout, so things look a bit nicer now.
>
> I enabled the automoderation now, with rules that proposal needs one
> solution and 10 thumbs up before it get's transfered to "under
> consideration". If you wan't to change these settings, just go to
> component config and on the bottom of the screen you can edit the rules.
>
> Also, I entered some text to the welcome-text and made it shown on the
> frontpage. This one is also editable in component config.
>
> Next week -> activity log.
>
> //Osku
>
> Oskari Kokko wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> We updated the brainstorm to the live site with Ferenc as we agreed on
>> tuesday in #maemo-meeting, so now everyone has access there.
>>
>> The frontpage looks a bit overloaded at the moment, but that's something
>> I'll be fixing today or tomorrow at the latest. It needs a bit of love
>> on the css-side.
>>
>> //Osku
>>
>> Oskari Kokko wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> The month is nearly ending, but still managed to finalize everyting else
>>> except activity log regarding what was assigned to me.
>>>
>>> So, on internal, there is now latest version of brainstorm. So, feel
>>> free to test the look and feel it has now.
>>>
>>> Automoderation is disabled by default, but you can go to component
>>> config on brainstorm and see what kind of configurations there is.
>>> Automoderation is run in cron daily.
>>>
>>> I don't have enought permissions to install things to the live site, so
>>> I need someone else to do it. But there is couple major changes, so
>>> whoever is doing the upgrade, please contact me, so that I can inform
>>> you about what you need to do so that the upgrade goes smoothly.
>>>
>>> If there is something that you find hard, feel free to comment.
>>>
>>> I try to finalize activity log next week.
>>>
>>> //Osku
>>>
>>> Quim Gil wrote:
>>>> Ooopps! Thabnks for the work and good luck with the recovery. Now I
>>>> think that maybe I missed your reporting in Qaiku. (Really busy these
>>>> days and I haven't been following
>>>> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ in the past weeks. :(
>>>>
>>
>
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oskari.kokko at iki

Dec 8, 2009, 4:27 AM

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Quim Gil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Now the piece that is clearly missing (apart from the server power, yes)
> is the connection to Talk. Can we at least cut the comments completely
> so at least new Brainstorm proposals won't have own comments, forcing
> the people proposing them to create the Talk threads? I hope Reggie and
> you can setup the automatic solution soon.

Hi

I disabled comments now from the component configuration. If you would
like to have them back at some point, just go to brainstorm folder,
component configuration and from there enable comments.

//Osku

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reggie at internettablettalk

Dec 8, 2009, 4:36 AM

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Osku,

I'm still waiting for the RSS feed(s). Let me know when you have it working.

Thanks.

Reggie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Oskari Kokko <oskari.kokko [at] iki> wrote:

> Quim Gil wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Now the piece that is clearly missing (apart from the server power, yes)
> > is the connection to Talk. Can we at least cut the comments completely
> > so at least new Brainstorm proposals won't have own comments, forcing
> > the people proposing them to create the Talk threads? I hope Reggie and
> > you can setup the automatic solution soon.
>
> Hi
>
> I disabled comments now from the component configuration. If you would
> like to have them back at some point, just go to brainstorm folder,
> component configuration and from there enable comments.
>
> //Osku
>
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oskari.kokko at iki

Dec 8, 2009, 5:02 AM

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Reggie Suplido wrote:
> Osku,
>
> I'm still waiting for the RSS feed(s). Let me know when you have it working.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Reggie

Hi

I'm a bit out of the RSS-feed discussion, I thought that bergie was
going to do it. But I think that he's a bit busy at the moment, so maybe
I will do the actual implementation.

I saw one mail about it from bergie's laptop a long ago, but I can't
find it myself, so if you can send me all the details that you have been
talking about it and I can get myself back to the track. Next time I
have time to look brainstorm is on thursday.

//Osku

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henri.bergius at nemein

Dec 8, 2009, 6:12 AM

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Hi,

2009/12/8 Oskari Kokko <oskari.kokko [at] iki>:
> I saw one mail about it from bergie's laptop a long ago, but I can't
> find it myself, so if you can send me all the details that you have been
> talking about it and I can get myself back to the track. Next time I
> have time to look brainstorm is on thursday.

This is what we agreed in Summit:

* An RSS feed showing all new ideas (latest N) in Brainstorm
* Reggie will create a thread out of each of these to Talk, with the
idea description and link to Brainstorm
* Reggie will provide us an RSS feed based on Brainstorm's idea URL
that we can query from TMO
* We will display a link to the Talk thread under the idea (and
possibly number of comments, or even latest comments, depending on
what data we get from TMO)

> //Osku

/Henri

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aklapper at openismus

Dec 8, 2009, 9:23 AM

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Am Dienstag, den 08.12.2009, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Quim Gil:
> Yesterday I started resolving new enhancement requests at bugs.maemo.org
> as MOVED to Brainstorm. Let's be strict on new enhancement requests.

Thanks! It's appreciated, as we're currently getting quite a bunch of
reports (hence I have to prioritize a bit).

Karsten is going to put a note at the top of
https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi that non-trivial enhancement
requests should always go to Brainstorm, to avoid frustration of folks
that have to file the same enhancement request twice (Bugzilla and then
Brainstorm).
Should be done and go live by the end of next week.

Also (just to share this for the non-chatters on this list), there has
been some criticism on IRC yesterday that there's two places to look at,
that Brainstorm is not really searchable etc...
As the decision whether to have a Brainstorm is past and final, folks
should please file reports about their specific issues with the existing
interfaces.
For a good example, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6721 .

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vdv100 at gmail

Dec 8, 2009, 9:56 AM

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Hi,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper [at] openismus>wrote:

> Am Dienstag, den 08.12.2009, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Quim Gil:
> > Yesterday I started resolving new enhancement requests at bugs.maemo.org
> > as MOVED to Brainstorm. Let's be strict on new enhancement requests.
>

I tried to use brainstorm again today, and IMHO is far from friendly to
track things like enhancements :(.
I couldn't used the search feature in a efficient way and things are very
difficult to track, is there a Cc option like in BMO ?


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>
> Thanks! It's appreciated, as we're currently getting quite a bunch of
> reports (hence I have to prioritize a bit).
>
> Karsten is going to put a note at the top of
> https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi that non-trivial enhancement
> requests should always go to Brainstorm, to avoid frustration of folks
> that have to file the same enhancement request twice (Bugzilla and then
> Brainstorm).
> Should be done and go live by the end of next week.
>
> Also (just to share this for the non-chatters on this list), there has
> been some criticism on IRC yesterday that there's two places to look at,
> that Brainstorm is not really searchable etc...
> As the decision whether to have a Brainstorm is past and final, folks
> should please file reports about their specific issues with the existing
> interfaces.
> For a good example, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6721 .
>
> andre
>
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tim at samoff

Dec 8, 2009, 11:09 AM

Post #25 of 47 (1247 views)
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Hi,

Any reason why we can't vote on solutions anymore? Seems like we can
only vote on the original Brainstorm "problem."

Also, can we add page numbers to the pagination on the bottom of the
pages? Currently, all we get is [Previous $n Next], with only the
current page number present.

Thanks,
Tim


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