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samoff at gmail

Nov 28, 2009, 9:20 AM

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Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

Hi,

----- Original message -----
> 1 - Modify the HAM code in order to add some kind of switcher for the CLI
> apps - Very good solution IMO, but very hard to accomplish in the short
> term.
>
> 2 - All Cli apps should use the same app icon - Seems good to me, the
> regular users will learn and the power users will be happy to have all these
> apps available.
>
> 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his description, that
> clearly states that the app is only usable from the command line (no icon,
> no GUI) - Most of the users will not read the descriptions, but if they
> complain about it, is their fault because the notice is there :P .  A
> similar sentence should be also used in the enablers (OGG support,..).
>
>
> I think 2 & 3 is perfectly doable in the short term and perhaps can make
> both sides happy. Thoughts ?
>

+2 from me. (Don't I count as two votes?) :p

Tim

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david at dgreaves

Nov 28, 2009, 9:34 AM

Post #27 of 46 (1144 views)
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Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

Valerio Valerio wrote:
> 1 - Modify the HAM code in order to add some kind of switcher for the
> CLI apps - Very good solution IMO, but very hard to accomplish in the
> short term.
>
> 2 - All Cli apps should use the same app icon - Seems good to me, the
> regular users will learn and the power users will be happy to have all
> these apps available.
>
> 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his description, that
> clearly states that the app is only usable from the command line (no
> icon, no GUI) - Most of the users will not read the descriptions, but if
> they complain about it, is their fault because the notice is there :P .
> A similar sentence should be also used in the enablers (OGG support,..).
>
>
> I think 2 & 3 is perfectly doable in the short term and perhaps can make
> both sides happy. Thoughts ?

Fits 100% with my thoughts - I'd be happy.

HAM is OSS [1] - can the community provide a patch?
If so we can help Nokia demonstrate how they accept community involvement in
core Fremantle apps.


David
[1] http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-application-manager/


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andrea at borgia

Nov 28, 2009, 10:02 AM

Post #28 of 46 (1141 views)
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Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

Valerio Valerio wrote:

> I think 2 & 3 is perfectly doable in the short term and perhaps can make
> both sides happy. Thoughts ?

As you say, no.3 will be ignored so why bother at all?

No.2 is a bit like now (the blue square for x11vnc comes to my mind) but
could be a good stop-gap solution until no.1 can be deployed. An icon
with a crossed-out "GUI" text would be pretty hard to ignore.

Last but not least, if the "user/" prefix is Maemo specific the first
option would require little or no tweaks for ported applications.

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milos at manda

Nov 28, 2009, 11:37 AM

Post #29 of 46 (1141 views)
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Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

I think that majority of users would ignore description of package and icon.
For command-line programs only apt-get, like in Ubuntu.

Disclaimer: I am a power user, can't live without command-line tools.

2009/11/28, Andrea Borgia <andrea [at] borgia>:
> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>
>> I think 2 & 3 is perfectly doable in the short term and perhaps can make
>> both sides happy. Thoughts ?
>
> As you say, no.3 will be ignored so why bother at all?
>
> No.2 is a bit like now (the blue square for x11vnc comes to my mind) but
> could be a good stop-gap solution until no.1 can be deployed. An icon
> with a crossed-out "GUI" text would be pretty hard to ignore.
>
> Last but not least, if the "user/" prefix is Maemo specific the first
> option would require little or no tweaks for ported applications.
>
> A.
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Nov 28, 2009, 4:40 PM

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Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

Can we not have an extras-CLI repository that a power user would have
to manually install in app manager like extras-testing?



On 11/28/09, Milos Mandaric <milos [at] manda> wrote:
> I think that majority of users would ignore description of package and icon.
> For command-line programs only apt-get, like in Ubuntu.
>
> Disclaimer: I am a power user, can't live without command-line tools.
>
> 2009/11/28, Andrea Borgia <andrea [at] borgia>:
>> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>>
>>> I think 2 & 3 is perfectly doable in the short term and perhaps can make
>>> both sides happy. Thoughts ?
>>
>> As you say, no.3 will be ignored so why bother at all?
>>
>> No.2 is a bit like now (the blue square for x11vnc comes to my mind) but
>> could be a good stop-gap solution until no.1 can be deployed. An icon
>> with a crossed-out "GUI" text would be pretty hard to ignore.
>>
>> Last but not least, if the "user/" prefix is Maemo specific the first
>> option would require little or no tweaks for ported applications.
>>
>> A.
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rael at edge

Nov 29, 2009, 12:58 AM

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Aw: Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

Hello!

> Based in your feedback, here are the best solutions in my opinion, let's try
> to reach a good solution that can make both sides happy:

> 1 - Modify the HAM code in order to add some kind of switcher for the CLI

OK. Later...

> 2 - All Cli apps should use the same app icon - Seems good to

I assume we speak of the package icon...?

In principle, yes. However there was already some categorisation (by Andrew?) that showed that not all CL apps are equal. For example if htop installs an desktop icon that automatically starts htop in a temrminal, htop beein a CL app is inrelevant. This we should restict this to apps that neded explicitely and manual start in terminal.

What about the desktop/application starter icon? We could make all this application depend on one CL apps package that offers one icon for all such application. Clicking on it could start an xterm and/or show a list of this apps together with some help text. Alternativly we could make each offer its own icon which behave like above. Having one icon for all would save important space in the starter but might make the user not find the installed app. One icon is better in the sense of "enter dark dungeon area".

> 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his

OK. The purpose must be obvious. It does not need to be exactly one text.

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Gruß...
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----- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -----
> Hey,
>
> thanks all for the productive discussion so far, as some know I'm more for
> the con-side, but I really want to have the CLI apps available in a easy
> away, so I think we can reach a intermediate solution here.
>
> Based in your feedback, here are the best solutions in my opinion, let's try
> to reach a good solution that can make both sides happy:
>
> 1 - Modify the HAM code in order to add some kind of switcher for the CLI
> apps - Very good solution IMO, but very hard to accomplish in the short
> term.
>
> 2 - All Cli apps should use the same app icon - Seems good to me, the
> regular users will learn and the power users will be happy to have all these
> apps available.
>
> 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his description, that
> clearly states that the app is only usable from the command line (no icon,
> no GUI) - Most of the users will not read the descriptions, but if they
> complain about it, is their fault because the notice is there :P .  A
> similar sentence should be also used in the enablers (OGG support,..).
>
>
> I think 2 & 3 is perfectly doable in the short term and perhaps can make
> both sides happy. Thoughts ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Valério Valério
> Maemo Community Council Chair
>
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:28 AM, hyartep <hyartep [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 23:24, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:
> >
> > > one of the topics of the last community meeting about Extras QA was if
> > > command line applications should be available for regular users through the
> > > application manager or not. We can't reach a consensus, and it seems to
> > > generate very contradictory opinions inside our community.
> >
> >  ...
> > >
> > > Please share your opinion, we need to decide about this asap.
> > >
> >
> >  I think that apps without GUI should definitely be available the same way
> > as GUI apps.
> >
> > However, there is no problem, to keep them somehow separated, e.g. with
> > special switch in appmanager, in separate repository, or with special name
> > (prefix), so average user understands, they are different from common (GUI)
> > apps.
> >
> > hyartep
> >
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> >


hyartep at gmail

Nov 29, 2009, 2:35 AM

Post #32 of 46 (1123 views)
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On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 16:57, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:

> 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his description, that
> clearly states that the app is only usable from the command line (no icon,
> no GUI) - Most of the users will not read the descriptions, but if they
> complain about it, is their fault because the notice is there :P . A
> similar sentence should be also used in the enablers (OGG support,..).
>

i would even support, if all console apps are named like "console-*" (or
term-*, terminal-*, zznogui-*, ...) (e.g. console-ssh-client, or
terminal-ssh-client). together with special description, of course.

hyartep


andrew at bleb

Nov 29, 2009, 4:08 AM

Post #33 of 46 (1134 views)
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On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 15:57, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> Based in your feedback, here are the best solutions in my opinion, let's try
> to reach a good solution that can make both sides happy:
>
> 1 - Modify the HAM code in order to add some kind of switcher for the CLI
> apps - Very good solution IMO, but very hard to accomplish in the short
> term.

Should we introduce an `XSBC-Maemo-Type' header which can have the
following values:

* application [default] - means it provides a UI through Control Panel,
apps menu etc. This'd include new IM plugins (as they show up) and
wallpapers with .desktop files, themes, fonts and so on.

* background - services which have no direct UI, e.g. codecs,
auto-starting daemons.

* console - command-line apps.

This then allows HAM to distinguish these apps; rather than trying to decode it.

> 2 - All Cli apps should use the same app icon - Seems good to me, the
> regular users will learn and the power users will be happy to have all these
> apps available.

I quite like the idea of an emblem as WELL as an icon - this'd allow
things to still have a different icon to aid the user navigating, but
have a standard for when there is no better icon available.

> 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his description, that
> clearly states that the app is only usable from the command line (no icon,
> no GUI) - Most of the users will not read the descriptions, but if they
> complain about it, is their fault because the notice is there :P . A
> similar sentence should be also used in the enablers (OGG support,..).

Indeed. Suggestions below.

> I think 2 & 3 is perfectly doable in the short term and perhaps can make
> both sides happy. Thoughts ?

Agreed. Here are some concrete suggestions:

* Standard emblem (>25% of icon) and sentence for things which
don't install an icon (e.g. OpenSSH server;
google-album-art-downloader). This could be a representation of
the "More..." from the menu with a red, crossed-out circle and
something like: "This package installs background services on
your device and does not appear in the list of available
applications".

* Standard emblem and sentence for things which are intended to be
run from CLI (e.g. OpenSSH client; socat). This could be a
representation of the X Terminal icon, perhaps in a yellow
warning triangle and something like: "This package installs
commands intended to be used in X Terminal and does not
appear in the list of available applications.
Consult this package's documentation for how to use it."

To carry this forward, I think we need to:

1) Open up communication on maemo-developers [CCed ;-)]

2) Have a UX expert comment on whether the emblem idea is
workable in 48x48 icons. With colour and shape variants,
I think it *could*; but aren't sure.

3) Design said icons (large version for screenshots on
web UI, small-sized versions for overlaying on other icons
in XB-Maemo-Icon-26 and medium-sized for sole use as
XB-Maemo-Icon-26 when there is no icon to overlay).

4) Create a wiki page describing how and where to put them
(consistent place such as bottom right seems best) and
suggested package description language.

5) Update the QA criteria.

6) Communicate to all packages currently in Extras and assist
with new screenshots and XB-Maemo-Icon-26s for them.

Is it also worth a consistent suffix to XB-Maemo-Display-Name, such as
"[CLI]" and "[Daemon]"? Perhaps not.

Cheers,

Andrew

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david at dgreaves

Nov 29, 2009, 4:33 AM

Post #34 of 46 (1130 views)
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Andrew Flegg wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 15:57, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:
>> Based in your feedback, here are the best solutions in my opinion, let's try
>> to reach a good solution that can make both sides happy:
>>
>> 1 - Modify the HAM code in order to add some kind of switcher for the CLI
>> apps - Very good solution IMO, but very hard to accomplish in the short
>> term.
>
> Should we introduce an `XSBC-Maemo-Type' header which can have the
> following values:

Or we could use debtags...
interface::text-mode
interface::shell
interface::daemon

http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/

[snipped the rest which is fine]

David

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andrew at bleb

Nov 29, 2009, 5:09 AM

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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:33, David Greaves <david [at] dgreaves> wrote:
> Andrew Flegg wrote:
>>
>> Should we introduce an `XSBC-Maemo-Type' header which can have the
>> following values:
>
> Or we could use debtags...
> interface::text-mode
> interface::shell
> interface::daemon
>
> http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/

Perfect. Having raised debtags earlier, I briefly considered them -
and then wrote the above.

Ta,

Andrew

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samoff at gmail

Nov 29, 2009, 5:44 AM

Post #36 of 46 (1125 views)
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Re: Aw: Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

Hi,

----- Original message -----
> > 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his
>
> OK. The purpose must be obvious. It does not need to be exactly one text. 

Well, no. But, it sure would be easier for devs to just copy/paste a standardized piece of text into their apps' description rather than trying to come up with their own succinct remark. And, it would be a lot easier for those of us who proof read those descriptions. ;)

Tim

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g+770 at cobb

Nov 29, 2009, 2:59 PM

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On Sunday 29 November 2009 10:35:40 hyartep wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 16:57, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:
> > 3 - All CLI app should have a default sentence in his description, that
> > clearly states that the app is only usable from the command line (no
> > icon, no GUI) - Most of the users will not read the descriptions, but if
> > they complain about it, is their fault because the notice is there :P .
> > A similar sentence should be also used in the enablers (OGG support,..).
>
> i would even support, if all console apps are named like "console-*" (or
> term-*, terminal-*, zznogui-*, ...) (e.g. console-ssh-client, or
> terminal-ssh-client). together with special description, of course.

No: applications should have short but meaningful and useful names,
not "unix-style" names and certainly not names which have information coded
into them. The icon and description are fine. The developer should be free
to choose the name as they like.

This whole discussion is a really short term problem. Once there are 500
applications in extras, people aren't going to be going through the list in
H-A-M installing applications: they are going to be using the web pages
(Maemo Downloads) and the categories, ratings, reviews, etc. on those pages.
H-A-M will be used mainly for removing and upgrading applications.

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th.perl at gmail

Nov 30, 2009, 8:05 AM

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2009/11/29 Graham Cobb <g+770 [at] cobb>:
> This whole discussion is a really short term problem. Once there are 500
> applications in extras, people aren't going to be going through the list in
> H-A-M installing applications: they are going to be using the web pages
> (Maemo Downloads) and the categories, ratings, reviews, etc. on those pages.
> H-A-M will be used mainly for removing and upgrading applications.

Or better: H-A-M will have a more prominently placed "search" function
or HildonLiveSearch-based "all applications" list. Would solve more problems
than just the question about command-line apps ;)

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vdv100 at gmail

Dec 8, 2009, 8:43 AM

Post #39 of 46 (1065 views)
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Hi,

Ok, let's reach a final solution here.

I made a brainstorm proposal[1] with the best solutions proposed here, feel
free to add more.

Can some brainstorm expert point me how to add a TMO link in the proposal,
like some proposals already have[2] ?

Perhaps one of the mods can put this proposal directly in the 'under
consideration' basket, since was already discussed and is very important.

[1] -
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
[2] -
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Thomas Perl <th.perl [at] gmail> wrote:

> 2009/11/29 Graham Cobb <g+770 [at] cobb <g%2B770 [at] cobb>>:
> > This whole discussion is a really short term problem. Once there are 500
> > applications in extras, people aren't going to be going through the list
> in
> > H-A-M installing applications: they are going to be using the web pages
> > (Maemo Downloads) and the categories, ratings, reviews, etc. on those
> pages.
> > H-A-M will be used mainly for removing and upgrading applications.
>
> Or better: H-A-M will have a more prominently placed "search" function
> or HildonLiveSearch-based "all applications" list. Would solve more
> problems
> than just the question about command-line apps ;)
>




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andrea at borgia

Dec 8, 2009, 1:53 PM

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Valerio Valerio wrote:

> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
> [2] -
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions

How do I vote now? I am logged in but I only see the thumbs up/down near
the top instead of next to each proposed solution as it was earlier.

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vdv100 at gmail

Dec 8, 2009, 2:58 PM

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Hi,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Andrea Borgia <andrea [at] borgia> wrote:

> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
> > [2] -
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions
>
> How do I vote now? I am logged in but I only see the thumbs up/down near
> the top instead of next to each proposed solution as it was earlier.
>

It seems that the proposals need to be voted to get in the "under
consideration" queue, and only there you can vote in the solutions.

Best regards,

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>
> A.
>
>


vdv100 at gmail

Dec 11, 2009, 6:27 AM

Post #42 of 46 (1050 views)
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Hi,

Voting open:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/

Best regards,

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Andrea Borgia <andrea [at] borgia> wrote:
>
>> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>>
>> >
>> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
>> > [2] -
>> >
>> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions
>>
>> How do I vote now? I am logged in but I only see the thumbs up/down near
>> the top instead of next to each proposed solution as it was earlier.
>>
>
> It seems that the proposals need to be voted to get in the "under
> consideration" queue, and only there you can vote in the solutions.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Valrio Valrio
>
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


andrew at bleb

Dec 11, 2009, 6:37 AM

Post #43 of 46 (1052 views)
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On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 14:27, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:
>
> Voting open:
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/

How is Brainstorm supposed to work. I *think* I support solution #4,
but - as I explained earlier - I think this should also be the option
of an emblem so that a meaningful icon can also be shown:

http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers [at] maemo/msg22410.html

This is effectively solution #4, but the concrete specification says
"all [...] should use the same icon in the application manager".
Depending on your definition of "icon" and "same", I either agree or
disagree with this :-)

Cheers,

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vdv100 at gmail

Dec 11, 2009, 6:43 AM

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Hi,

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Flegg <andrew [at] bleb> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 14:27, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:
> >
> > Voting open:
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
>
> How is Brainstorm supposed to work. I *think* I support solution #4,
> but - as I explained earlier - I think this should also be the option
> of an emblem so that a meaningful icon can also be shown:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers [at] maemo/msg22410.html
>
> This is effectively solution #4, but the concrete specification says
> "all [...] should use the same icon in the application manager".
> Depending on your definition of "icon" and "same", I either agree or
> disagree with this :-)
>

Add a new solution, I think that's the right way when things aren't clear
for you.

Best,

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>
> Cheers,
>
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tim at samoff

Dec 11, 2009, 7:29 AM

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Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

Hi,

Btw, I should have the first version of the "emblem" complete by Monday.
It would be today, but I've got other priorities. :(

Anyway... Working on it, as it is my Sprint task for this month.

Tim

Valerio Valerio wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Flegg <andrew [at] bleb
> <mailto:andrew [at] bleb>> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 14:27, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail
> <mailto:vdv100 [at] gmail>> wrote:
> >
> > Voting open:
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
>
> How is Brainstorm supposed to work. I *think* I support solution #4,
> but - as I explained earlier - I think this should also be the option
> of an emblem so that a meaningful icon can also be shown:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers [at] maemo/msg22410.html
>
> This is effectively solution #4, but the concrete specification says
> "all [...] should use the same icon in the application manager".
> Depending on your definition of "icon" and "same", I either agree or
> disagree with this :-)
>
>
> Add a new solution, I think that's the right way when things aren't
> clear for you.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Valrio Valrio
>
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew Flegg -- mailto:andrew [at] bleb <mailto:andrew [at] bleb> |
> http://www.bleb.org/


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andrew at bleb

Dec 11, 2009, 8:23 AM

Post #46 of 46 (1051 views)
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Re: Command line apps & Extras [In reply to]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 14:43, Valerio Valerio <vdv100 [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Flegg <andrew [at] bleb> wrote:
>>
>> This is effectively solution #4, but the concrete specification says
>> "all [...] should use the same icon in the application manager".
>> Depending on your definition of "icon" and "same", I either agree or
>> disagree with this :-)
>
> Add a new solution, I think that's the right way when things aren't clear
> for you.

But then there are multiple solutions, some which are very similar and
some which are wildly different. This splits the vote and results in
true design-by-committee (and, worse, a committee without any entry
requirements).

I *think*, if Brainstorm is to be useful, we take the most voted for
solution and take that as the requirement not the solution design.
Especially if we've already accepted a sprint task (9.11-4) which
predicates a particular solution ;-)

Cheers,

Andrew

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