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ext-mox.soini at nokia

Nov 18, 2009, 12:13 PM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing

2009/11/16 Quim Gil <quim.gil at nokia.com>

>I'm not even a Windows/Mac user so (as shameful as it is) I reckon
>having no clue now about how these users are supposed to flash their
>devices. Can I beg some (urgent) help from the Nokians and community
>writers related to the pages linked above? It will save us many
>questions in lists and forums.

As a very much multi-platform user, I can verify that the command-line flasher-3.5 works on Windows and Mac exactly like it does on Linux. So no differences there.
I haven't tried using the Mac GUI (770Flasher), but I'd recommend against using it, especially for the Maemo Summit participants, who are expected to flash not just the firmware binary file, but also the additional and separate eMMC binary file.

Quick guide is:

Linux/Mac:

sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F firmware_image.bin
sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
(the order is important)

Windows:

flasher-3.5.exe -f -F firmware_image.bin
flasher-3.5.exe -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
(the order is important)

Notes:
1) make sure the device is turned off before starting
2) run the flasher command (as above) first, it will start and wait for USB connection
3) plug in the USB cable to the device and the computer
4) the flashing process should start automatically

5) on some computers the device never goes automatically to "firmware update" mode when USB is plugged in and flasher is running.
6) If you are having problems with (5), then you need to force the firmware update mode by doing (1), (2), and before (3) press and hold "u" key in the device HW keyboard, then do (3).

...

The (6) is also in the flasher-3.5 documentation.

BR,

Mox
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anidel at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 3:19 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

2009/11/18 <ext-mox.soini [at] nokia>:
>
> 2009/11/16 Quim Gil <quim.gil at nokia.com>
>
>>I'm not even a Windows/Mac user so (as shameful as it is) I reckon
>>having no clue now about how these users are supposed to flash their
>>devices. Can I beg some (urgent) help from the Nokians and community
>>writers related to the pages linked above? It will save us many
>>questions in lists and forums.
>
> As a very much multi-platform user, I can verify that the command-line flasher-3.5 works on Windows and Mac exactly like it does on Linux. So no differences there.
> I haven't tried using the Mac GUI (770Flasher), but I'd recommend against using it, especially for the Maemo Summit participants, who are expected to flash not just the firmware binary file, but also the additional and separate eMMC binary file.
>
> Quick guide is:
>
> Linux/Mac:
>
> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F firmware_image.bin
> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
> (the order is important)
>
> Windows:
>
> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F firmware_image.bin
> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
> (the order is important)
>
> Notes:
> 1) make sure the device is turned off before starting
> 2) run the flasher command (as above) first, it will start and wait for USB connection
> 3) plug in the USB cable to the device and the computer
> 4) the flashing process should start automatically
>
> 5) on some computers the device never goes automatically to "firmware update" mode when USB is plugged in and flasher is running.
> 6) If you are having problems with (5), then you need to force the firmware update mode by doing (1), (2), and before (3) press and hold "u" key in the device HW keyboard, then do (3).
>
> ...
>
> The (6) is also in the flasher-3.5 documentation.
>
> BR,
>
> Mox

Hi,

I tried to flash my device to 42-11 from 41-10 a few days ago and I
followed these very steps.
It flashed the firmware (note: no -R option passed here to flasher),
but when I ran the second
flasher for the eMMC image it didn't work.
It stated something like device busy.

What one should do in these cases?

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andrea at borgia

Nov 19, 2009, 3:25 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

ext-mox.soini [at] nokia ha scritto:

> Linux/Mac:
> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F firmware_image.bin
> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
> (the order is important)
>
> Windows:
> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F firmware_image.bin
> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
> (the order is important)

A quick note on the order issue: I followed the wiki page at
http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, with a different
sequence of parameters (-F -f -R), and had no problems.

Andrea
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anidel at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 3:29 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

2009/11/19 Andrea Borgia <andrea [at] borgia>:
> ext-mox.soini [at] nokia ha scritto:
>
>> Linux/Mac:
>> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F firmware_image.bin
>> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
>> (the order is important)
>>
>> Windows:
>> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F firmware_image.bin
>> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
>> (the order is important)
>
> A quick note on the order issue: I followed the wiki page at
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, with a different
> sequence of parameters (-F -f -R), and had no problems.
>
> Andrea

-R stands for reboot (the device) after flash.

AFAIK you can't directly flash the eMMC image.
When the device starts it expects the fiasco image, then it expects
the emmc one.

But I might be wrong. It worked for you :)

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andrea at borgia

Nov 19, 2009, 3:37 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

Aniello Del Sorbo ha scritto:

> -R stands for reboot (the device) after flash.
> AFAIK you can't directly flash the eMMC image.
> When the device starts it expects the fiasco image, then it expects
> the emmc one.

In my case, in fact, the upgrade took two reboot cycles.

A.

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aklapper at openismus

Nov 19, 2009, 3:39 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

Am Donnerstag, den 19.11.2009, 11:19 +0000 schrieb Aniello Del Sorbo:
> I tried to flash my device to 42-11 from 41-10 a few days ago and I
> followed these very steps.
> It flashed the firmware (note: no -R option passed here to flasher),
> but when I ran the second
> flasher for the eMMC image it didn't work.
> It stated something like device busy.

I'm somehow surprised to always read on this list to first flash the
firmware and then the eMMC image. So far on the N900 I have always first
flashed the eMMC image and then the firmware, without problems. :-)

andre
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tero.kojo at nokia

Nov 19, 2009, 4:02 AM

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RE: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: maemo-community-bounces [at] maemo [mailto:maemo-community-
> bounces [at] maemo] On Behalf Of ext Andre Klapper
> Sent: 19 November, 2009 13:39
> To: maemo-community [at] maemo
> Subject: Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 19.11.2009, 11:19 +0000 schrieb Aniello Del Sorbo:
> > I tried to flash my device to 42-11 from 41-10 a few days ago and I
> > followed these very steps.
> > It flashed the firmware (note: no -R option passed here to flasher),
> > but when I ran the second
> > flasher for the eMMC image it didn't work.
> > It stated something like device busy.

Blame the computer USB. For a common standard technology, USB implementations vary a lot.

> I'm somehow surprised to always read on this list to first flash the
> firmware and then the eMMC image. So far on the N900 I have always
> first
> flashed the eMMC image and then the firmware, without problems. :-)

It really doesn't matter. Trust me, I have done enough flashing.
And technically no absolute need to reboot between firmware and emmc either. Reboot just makes extra sure everything is in order. That's the point with the instructions, they are mean to make sure everything moves on the safest path.

Tero

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anidel at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 4:11 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

2009/11/19 <tero.kojo [at] nokia>:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: maemo-community-bounces [at] maemo [mailto:maemo-community-
>> bounces [at] maemo] On Behalf Of ext Andre Klapper
>> Sent: 19 November, 2009 13:39
>> To: maemo-community [at] maemo
>> Subject: Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, den 19.11.2009, 11:19 +0000 schrieb Aniello Del Sorbo:
>> > I tried to flash my device to 42-11 from 41-10 a few days ago and I
>> > followed these very steps.
>> > It flashed the firmware (note: no -R option passed here to flasher),
>> > but when I ran the second
>> > flasher for the eMMC image it didn't work.
>> > It stated something like device busy.
>
> Blame the computer USB. For a common standard technology, USB implementations vary a lot.
>

I will... :)

>> I'm somehow surprised to always read on this list to first flash the
>> firmware and then the eMMC image. So far on the N900 I have always
>> first
>> flashed the eMMC image and then the firmware, without problems. :-)
>
> It really doesn't matter. Trust me, I have done enough flashing.
> And technically no absolute need to reboot between firmware and emmc either. Reboot just makes extra sure everything is in order. That's the point with the instructions, they are mean to make sure everything moves on the safest path.
>
> Tero
>

Well the latest ones here from Mox doesn't make you reboot and
explicitly says the order is important.
Go figure.

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samoff at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 5:37 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

Hi,

----- Original message -----
> Quick guide is:
>
> Linux/Mac:
>
> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F firmware_image.bin
> sudo ./flasher-3.5 -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
> (the order is important)
>
> Windows:
>
> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F firmware_image.bin
> flasher-3.5.exe -f -F -R emmc_image.bin
> (the order is important)
>
> Notes:
> 1) make sure the device is turned off before starting
> 2) run the flasher command (as above) first, it will start and wait for USB
> connection 3) plug in the USB cable to the device and the computer
> 4) the flashing process should start automatically
>
> 5) on some computers the device never goes automatically to "firmware update"
> mode when USB is plugged in and flasher is running. 6) If you are having
> problems with (5), then you need to force the firmware update mode by doing (1),
> (2), and before (3) press and hold "u" key in the device HW keyboard, then do
> (3).
>
> ...
>
> The (6) is also in the flasher-3.5 documentation.

You guys might think this is silly, but one VERY important step that seems to be missing from all Flashing instructions is the one that tells users that they need to, and how to (for various platforms), navigate to the directory where the .bin files are located. (Or, they need to know the exact path, of course.

Tim

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stephen.gadsby at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 5:53 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Andre Klapper <aklapper [at] openismus> wrote:
> I'm somehow surprised to always read on this list to first flash the
> firmware and then the eMMC image. So far on the N900 I have always first
> flashed the eMMC image and then the firmware, without problems. :-)

Then you'll likely find me quite amusing. I initially took "-f,
--flash Load and flash all supplied images" to mean I could supply
more than one image file name, say those of both FIASCO and eMMC,
following that option. That doesn't work, of course.

I'm now guessing that "all supplied images" really means "all supplied
images within a FIASCO file".

-stephen
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rabelg5 at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 7:51 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

On Nov 19, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Tim Samoff wrote:

> You guys might think this is silly, but one VERY important step that
> seems to be missing from all Flashing instructions is the one that
> tells users that they need to, and how to (for various platforms),
> navigate to the directory where the .bin files are located. (Or,
> they need to know the exact path, of course.

On most terminals you can simply drop the image file onto it to add
the correct path.
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samoff at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 8:44 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

Hi,

----- Original message -----
> On most terminals you can simply drop the image file onto it to addÂ
> the correct path.

As a Mac user for, um, 27-some-odd years, I never knew that. Huh.

Tim

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anidel at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 9:01 AM

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2009/11/19 Tim Samoff <samoff [at] gmail>:
> Hi,
>
> ----- Original message -----
>> On most terminals you can simply drop the image file onto it to add
>> the correct path.
>
> As a Mac user for, um, 27-some-odd years, I never knew that. Huh.
>
> Tim
>

Mac users are dumb.

:-D

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samoff at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 9:35 AM

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----- Original message -----
> Mac users are dumb.
>
> :-D
>
> --
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Right. Which the whole reason I interjected in the first place! :p

T.

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dneary at maemo

Nov 19, 2009, 9:46 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

Hi,

Ryan Abel wrote:
> On most terminals you can simply drop the image file onto it to add
> the correct path.

I know some things, and I don't even understand what you mean here. You
drop which image file onto what? Onto the terminal?

Cheers,
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rabelg5 at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 10:01 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Dave Neary wrote:

> Ryan Abel wrote:
>
>> On most terminals you can simply drop the image file onto it to add
>> the correct path.
>
> I know some things, and I don't even understand what you mean here.
> You
> drop which image file onto what? Onto the terminal?

Drag the FIASCO image file onto the terminal window and it'll insert
its path at the current insertion point.
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anidel at gmail

Nov 19, 2009, 11:20 AM

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Re: [maemo-community] URGENT! Updating the info for flashing [In reply to]

2009/11/19 Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo>:
> Hi,
>
> Ryan Abel wrote:
>> On most terminals you can simply drop the image file onto it to add
>> the correct path.
>
> I know some things, and I don't even understand what you mean here. You
> drop which image file onto what? Onto the terminal?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>

In Mac OS X you can do a nice thing that goes like this:

In an application File Open, it prompts you which file you want to
open and presents a file chooser dialog.
Open Finder, drag and drop a file from the Finder INTO the File
Chooser dialog.. the dialog reacts and changes
into that directory with the dropped file selected.
And you can then click on Open.

Nicer thing is you can even drag the small icon that's on the title
bar next to the title.

So say you open a file in Word with double click and close the Finder.
And say you changed your mind and wanted to drag that file onto a USB pen drive.
Simply drag the small icon next to the file name into the Word's title
bar onto the Pen drive.
The file gets copied over.

Nice little tricks in Mac OS X.

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