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dneary at maemo

Oct 15, 2009, 8:48 AM

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Wiki Action Group: first task

Hi all,

I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that I think we
could get dome pretty quickly working together:

1. Ensure that every page in http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
is either linked from somewhere or deleted.

Examples:
* To be deleted:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Proof-read_Human_Interface_Guidelines/*
* To be linked to from hierarchy (perhaps Mer/Sprints?):
http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Roadmap
* To be merged with existing pages: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo5_101
(merge with [[Maemo basics]])

2. Create portal pages for the following content:

* Community council (lots of orphaned pages - needs a nicer page to
redirect people
* maemo.org staff
* Google Summer of Code (again, lots of orphaned material)
* Getting started with Maemo (lots of nice information coming in
recently, needs channelling & organising)
* Maemo roadmap & goals (organise all of the Tasks, Objectives and
100Days, 2010 Agenda material into a nice coherent hierarchy)

The second is kind of related to the first, in that creating those 5
portal pages will allow us to link a lot of currently orphaned material.

To help things along, I'm going to be keeping count - once a week, on
Monday morning - of how many pages are listed in
http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages

For reference, that number is now 202.

Let's track the various content in the wiki, off the Maemowiki Action
Group page.

Cheers,
Dave.

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anderson.lizardo at openbossa

Oct 15, 2009, 1:00 PM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that I think we
> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
>
> 1. Ensure that every page in http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.

I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is "orphaned":

http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo

Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed on as
orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other places outside
the wiki)

Thanks,
--
Anderson Lizardo
OpenBossa Labs - INdT
Manaus - Brazil
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anderson.lizardo at openbossa

Oct 15, 2009, 1:02 PM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anderson Lizardo
<anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that I think we
>> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
>>
>> 1. Ensure that every page in http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
>> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.
>
> I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is "orphaned":
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo
>
> Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed on as
> orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other places outside
> the wiki)

I know it should be obvious, but how do I delete a page from the wiki
? I can't see a "delete" link on the side menu.

The page in question is
http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial/Hildon_desktop and it should
be removed.

Thanks,
--
Anderson Lizardo
OpenBossa Labs - INdT
Manaus - Brazil
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vdv100 at gmail

Oct 15, 2009, 2:15 PM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

HI,

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Anderson Lizardo <
anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anderson Lizardo
> <anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that I think we
> >> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
> >>
> >> 1. Ensure that every page in http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
> >> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.
> >
> > I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is "orphaned":
> >
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo
> >
> > Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed on as
> > orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other places outside
> > the wiki)
>
> I know it should be obvious, but how do I delete a page from the wiki
> ? I can't see a "delete" link on the side menu.
>

Humm, you should need superpowers for that ;). Done.

Best regards,

--
Val�rio Val�rio

http://www.valeriovalerio.org

>
> The page in question is
> http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial/Hildon_desktop and it should
> be removed.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Anderson Lizardo
> OpenBossa Labs - INdT
> Manaus - Brazil
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>

dneary at maemo

Oct 16, 2009, 2:56 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Hi Anderson,

Anderson Lizardo wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that I think we
>> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
>>
>> 1. Ensure that every page in http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
>> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.
>
> I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is "orphaned":
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo
>
> Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed on as
> orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other places outside
> the wiki)

You could add it to the developer category, and it'll be linked to from
Category:Development (I just did this) - this takes care of the orphan
issue, but doesn't quite handle the question of how someone might find
the page if they're looking for information on Python development on Maemo.

Cheers,
Dave.

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marius at pov

Oct 16, 2009, 3:04 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:56:12AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi Anderson,
>
> Anderson Lizardo wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that I think we
> >> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
> >>
> >> 1. Ensure that every page in http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
> >> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.
> >
> > I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is "orphaned":
> >
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo
> >
> > Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed on as
> > orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other places outside
> > the wiki)
>
> You could add it to the developer category, and it'll be linked to from
> Category:Development (I just did this) - this takes care of the orphan
> issue, but doesn't quite handle the question of how someone might find
> the page if they're looking for information on Python development on Maemo.

If I wanted to find information on Python development on Maemo, I'd go
to maemo.org and type Python into the search box in the top-right
corner.

Currently the search results aren't very useful: the first hit is a
mailing list post about python-mafw overrides.

This is usually the point where I give up on maemo.org search and go to
Google.

I would strongly suggest prioritizing wiki pages over mailing list posts
in the results list.

Cheers!
Marius Gedminas
--
MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development.
-- dmeggins [at] aix1

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jeremiah at jeremiahfoster

Oct 16, 2009, 5:32 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

On Oct 16, 2009, at 12:04, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:56:12AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
>> Hi Anderson,
>>
>> Anderson Lizardo wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary <dneary [at] maemo>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed on as
>>> orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other places
>>> outside
>>> the wiki)
>>
>> You could add it to the developer category, and it'll be linked to
>> from
>> Category:Development (I just did this) - this takes care of the
>> orphan
>> issue, but doesn't quite handle the question of how someone might
>> find
>> the page if they're looking for information on Python development
>> on Maemo.
>
> If I wanted to find information on Python development on Maemo, I'd go
> to maemo.org and type Python into the search box in the top-right
> corner.
>
> Currently the search results aren't very useful: the first hit is a
> mailing list post about python-mafw overrides.
>
> This is usually the point where I give up on maemo.org search and go
> to
> Google.
>
> I would strongly suggest prioritizing wiki pages over mailing list
> posts
> in the results list.

I strongly concur. This is more likely an issue with getting the
search database to be properly weighted or favor certain types of
output over another, but it any case, steering people to the right
content is a huge win for devs.

Jeremiah
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thomsenk at t-online

Oct 16, 2009, 10:00 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Valerio, I'm in the same boat as Anderson, Can you please assign me
rights to delete pages too?

Thanks!

Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 22:15 +0100 schrieb Valerio Valerio:
> HI,
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Anderson Lizardo
> <anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anderson Lizardo
> <anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary
> <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that
> I think we
> >> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
> >>
> >> 1. Ensure that every page in
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
> >> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.
> >
> > I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is "orphaned":
> >
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo
> >
> > Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed
> on as
> > orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other
> places outside
> > the wiki)
>
>
> I know it should be obvious, but how do I delete a page from
> the wiki
> ? I can't see a "delete" link on the side menu.
>
> Humm, you should need superpowers for that ;). Done.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Valério Valério
>
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>
>
> The page in question is
> http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial/Hildon_desktop and it
> should
> be removed.
>
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Anderson Lizardo
> OpenBossa Labs - INdT
> Manaus - Brazil
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community

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vdv100 at gmail

Oct 16, 2009, 10:25 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Kai Thomsen <thomsenk [at] t-online> wrote:

> Valerio, I'm in the same boat as Anderson, Can you please assign me
> rights to delete pages too?
>

I didn't assigned wiki rights to Anderson, I only deleted the page.
IMHO this stuff should be discussed inside the wiki action group and the
'leaders' should give the rights to the ones that need them, IMHO it's a bad
idea start giving rights to everyone around.
Please don't get me wrong this is not personal, it's just another
task/discussion for the wiki action group ;).

Best regards,

--
Val�rio Val�rio
Maemo Community Council Chair

http://www.valeriovalerio.org

>
> Thanks!
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 22:15 +0100 schrieb Valerio Valerio:
> > HI,
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Anderson Lizardo
> > <anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anderson Lizardo
> > <anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary
> > <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that
> > I think we
> > >> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Ensure that every page in
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
> > >> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.
> > >
> > > I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is "orphaned":
> > >
> > > http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo
> > >
> > > Do you know where should I point it from so it is not listed
> > on as
> > > orphan? (we usually point it from our website and other
> > places outside
> > > the wiki)
> >
> >
> > I know it should be obvious, but how do I delete a page from
> > the wiki
> > ? I can't see a "delete" link on the side menu.
> >
> > Humm, you should need superpowers for that ;). Done.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > --
> > Val�rio Val�rio
> >
> > http://www.valeriovalerio.org
> >
> >
> > The page in question is
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial/Hildon_desktop and it
> > should
> > be removed.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Anderson Lizardo
> > OpenBossa Labs - INdT
> > Manaus - Brazil
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>

dneary at maemo

Oct 16, 2009, 10:30 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Hi,

Kai Thomsen wrote:
> Valerio, I'm in the same boat as Anderson, Can you please assign me
> rights to delete pages too?

Just to say, there's a reason users don't have that right by default.

I think we need to know who has permissions on the wiki, and have
guidelines on contributions and getting extra permissions, in the way we
do for Bugzilla.

A nice start would be to start contributing edits to the wiki, and
suggestion deletions in the Maemowiki_Action_Group page or in bugzilla -
there are enough people who can help that we can get what you want to
have done done quickly.

Thanks for understanding!

Cheers,
Dave.

--
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Email: dneary [at] maemo
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thomsenk at t-online

Oct 16, 2009, 10:32 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

No problem, sorry I mixed that up ;-)
Then could you please delete that page
http://wiki.maemo.org/Electronic_compass
Completely empty.

Best regards,
Kai

Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 18:25 +0100 schrieb Valerio Valerio:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Kai Thomsen <thomsenk [at] t-online>
> wrote:
> Valerio, I'm in the same boat as Anderson, Can you please
> assign me
> rights to delete pages too?
>
> I didn't assigned wiki rights to Anderson, I only deleted the page.
> IMHO this stuff should be discussed inside the wiki action group and
> the 'leaders' should give the rights to the ones that need them, IMHO
> it's a bad idea start giving rights to everyone around.
> Please don't get me wrong this is not personal, it's just another
> task/discussion for the wiki action group ;).
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Valério Valério
> Maemo Community Council Chair
>
> http://www.valeriovalerio.org
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 22:15 +0100 schrieb Valerio
> Valerio:
>
> > HI,
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Anderson Lizardo
> > <anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anderson Lizardo
> > <anderson.lizardo [at] openbossa> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Dave Neary
> > <dneary [at] maemo> wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action
> group that
> > I think we
> > >> could get dome pretty quickly working together:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Ensure that every page in
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Lonelypages
> > >> is either linked from somewhere or deleted.
> > >
> > > I noticed the main PyMaemo wiki page is
> "orphaned":
> > >
> > > http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo
> > >
> > > Do you know where should I point it from so it is
> not listed
> > on as
> > > orphan? (we usually point it from our website and
> other
> > places outside
> > > the wiki)
> >
> >
> > I know it should be obvious, but how do I delete a
> page from
> > the wiki
> > ? I can't see a "delete" link on the side menu.
> >
> > Humm, you should need superpowers for that ;). Done.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > --
> > Valério Valério
> >
> > http://www.valeriovalerio.org
> >
> >
> > The page in question is
> >
> http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UITutorial/Hildon_desktop and it
> > should
> > be removed.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Anderson Lizardo
> > OpenBossa Labs - INdT
> > Manaus - Brazil
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo
> >
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > maemo-community mailing list
> > maemo-community [at] maemo
> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
> _______________________________________________
> maemo-community mailing list
> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> maemo-community [at] maemo
> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community

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thomsenk at t-online

Oct 16, 2009, 11:15 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Dave,

You are certainly right there, sorry ;-)
I'll post pages that I think should be deleted in bugzilla if that seems
like the best way to do that.

Cheers,
Kai

> Hi,
>
> Kai Thomsen wrote:
> > Valerio, I'm in the same boat as Anderson, Can you please assign me
> > rights to delete pages too?
>
> Just to say, there's a reason users don't have that right by default.
>
> I think we need to know who has permissions on the wiki, and have
> guidelines on contributions and getting extra permissions, in the way we
> do for Bugzilla.
>
> A nice start would be to start contributing edits to the wiki, and
> suggestion deletions in the Maemowiki_Action_Group page or in bugzilla -
> there are enough people who can help that we can get what you want to
> have done done quickly.
>
> Thanks for understanding!
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>

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twaelti at gmail

Oct 18, 2009, 4:36 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

> I have 2 very concrete tasks for the wiki action group that I think we
> could get dome pretty quickly working together:

I've tried to start working on that, but find myself overwhelmed by a number of lacking basics, which we should adddress immediately. These later on.
Just one thing first: some of the orphaned pages aren't really orphaned, but "just" got linked the wrong way, by using an external instead of an internal link. Remember this when cleaning up. Clean up the intro of  http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group"]http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group somewhat. Can the docmaster do that? (PS: There is also http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Wiki_Action_Group"]http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Wiki_Action_Group which comes up earlier in searches...) Related to that, in more general terms: How do we want to handle outdated information? This garden is really overflowing with weeds... may we be generous in deleting old stuff? Could we just use a category "Trash" to mark pages for deletion? Admins could then use that to clean up every now and then or just remove the category item from an article to "remove" from trash. This would be way easier, quicker and more flexible than using bugzilla. And there is also a category "DELETEME"... ?!? Let's add OS-related categories such as OS2008/Maemo5/Mer. Otherwise we will end up with a large mishmash of stuff. Who can add new categories? What about the Categories tree with subcategories and parent categories? they should be very hand in structuring the wiki in a better way. The results of this discussion should go to either the "Maemo Wiki Principles" subsection the the action group OR http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Documentation_rules"]http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Documentation_rules (which one? I'd prefer the latter) Which brings up another needed cleanup: Instead of being part of the category "Tasks", some pages only have the prefix "Task:". I suggest that all tasks be categorized as such and that we refrain from using the Task: prefix. BTW: if a task is completed, I suggest that the perons responsible of the task also cleans up the page to reflect the situation after the task is finished. And on a lighter note: The use of the word "current" should be forbidden :-) Best regards -Tom

dneary at maemo

Oct 19, 2009, 9:05 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Hi,

Thomas Waelti wrote:
> Just one thing first: some of the orphaned pages aren't really orphaned,
> but "just" got linked the wrong way, by using an external instead of an
> internal link. Remember this when cleaning up.

Good point! Do you have any hints on finding these?

> Clean up the intro of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group
> somewhat. Can the docmaster do that?

Sure - anyone can do that. What's unclear to you?

> (PS: There is also
> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Wiki_Action_Group
> which comes up earlier in searches...)

Deleted.

> Related to that, in more general terms: How do we want to handle
> outdated information? This garden is really overflowing with weeds...
> may we be generous in deleting old stuff?

That all depends. Clear duplication of material (eg. sandbox material
which got moved elsewhere) should just be deleted. Doing anything else
will muddle up search results, as you pointed out. If it's a page with
10% useful information and 90% unuseful or outdated information, then we
should make some effort to weed rather than irradicate - I'd suggest
that the best way to handle situations like this for the moment is to
note pages in this category (a list in the MAG page, for example), and
try to work out what page hierarchy might be more appropriate. A little
forethought here might achieve a lot.

> Could we just use a category "Trash" to mark pages for deletion?

Yes, adding a Trash category for pages marked for deletion is a good
idea - go for it!

> And there is also a category "DELETEME"... ?!?

Let's just use the (better) choice of Trash & remove DELETEME - I didn't
know it existed, to be honest. And now it doesn't any more.

> Let's add OS-related categories such as OS2008/Maemo5/Mer. Otherwise we
> will end up with a large mishmash of stuff.

Does that approach scale? I've thought about this before - is there
really a need for "OS2008/USB networking" and "OS2009/USB networking"? I
can certainly understand subsections for pages which are specific to a
distribution but for general tutorials or hints & tips, I don't think
they're necessary. Of course, the problem is that the lines blur - stuff
that was hard under OS2007 got easier in OS2008 and needs new
instructions - but that's the general principle.

> Who can add new categories? What about the Categories tree with
> subcategories and parent categories? they should be very hand in
> structuring the wiki in a better way.

You add new categories by putting [[Category:New category]] at the end
of a post. Category pages are like any other page, except that they
contain a list of all articles tagged with that category at the end.

> The results of this discussion should go to either the "Maemo Wiki
> Principles" subsection the the action group OR
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Documentation_rules (which one? I'd prefer
> the latter)

I'd prefer to start moving away from the "Task:" nomenclature - I don't
think it adds much, and it makes page names a bit more awkward.

How about "Editing guidelines" or "Documentation guidelines"?

> Which brings up another needed cleanup: Instead of being part of the
> category "Tasks", some pages only have the prefix "Task:". I suggest
> that all tasks be categorized as such and that we refrain from using the
> Task: prefix.

Oh good - we're in agreement on this :)

> BTW: if a task is completed, I suggest that the perons responsible of
> the task also cleans up the page to reflect the situation after the task
> is finished.

Sounds like a good policy.

> And on a lighter note: The use of the word "current" should be forbidden :-)

Unless it's a mis-spelling referring to a scone or a bun?

I get your point - and indeed, in documentation guidelines in general,
there are rules that you should never document anything which will
automatically be out of date the next time a release is made.

Cheers,
Dave.

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Oct 19, 2009, 9:10 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

On Oct 19, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Dave Neary wrote:

> Thomas Waelti wrote:
>
>> (PS: There is also
>> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Wiki_Action_Group
>> which comes up earlier in searches...)
>
> Deleted.

Just as a general rule, it is VERY bad form to delete content from a
user's sandbox without discussing it with them first. ;)
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Oct 19, 2009, 1:33 PM

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>> Just one thing first: some of the orphaned pages aren't really orphaned,
>> but "just" got linked the wrong way, by using an external instead of an
>> internal link. Remember this when cleaning up.
>
> Good point! Do you have any hints on finding these?

Either I succeeded in cleaning all of the pages or our search engines are not good enough... :-(
Neither searching the wiki for "[http://wiki.maemo" nor googling ""[http://wiki.maemo.org/" -retrieved site:wiki.maemo.org" was any help.

>> Clean up the intro of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group
>> somewhat. Can the docmaster do that?
>
> Sure - anyone can do that. What's unclear to you?

Current misssion focus. Especially the midgard transition and readying the templates - isn't that mostly done?

>> Could we just use a category "Trash" to mark pages for deletion?
> Yes, adding a Trash category for pages marked for deletion is a good
> idea - go for it!

Will do.

>> Let's add OS-related categories such as OS2008/Maemo5/Mer. Otherwise we
>> will end up with a large mishmash of stuff.
>
> Does that approach scale? I've thought about this before - is there
> really a need for "OS2008/USB networking" and "OS2009/USB networking"? I
> can certainly understand subsections for pages which are specific to a
> distribution but for general tutorials or hints & tips, I don't think
> they're necessary. Of course, the problem is that the lines blur - stuff
> that was hard under OS2007 got easier in OS2008 and needs new
> instructions - but that's the general principle.

Yes it should scale - my idea is to apply these OS categories rather like labels, not doing content-related subcategories under them. So you have an article in the networking category, valid for OS2008. Or one on packaging (category development), valid for OS2008 and Maemo5. This would make it easier than to add OS-specific subsections in each article if there isn't anything to say. OTOH, we should put networking as a subcategory under connectivity.
I'll try to order and subcategorize our categories, building a category tree.

>> The results of this discussion should go to either the "Maemo Wiki
>> Principles" subsection the the action group OR
>> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Documentation_rules (which one? I'd prefer
>> the latter)
>
> I'd prefer to start moving away from the "Task:" nomenclature - I don't
> think it adds much, and it makes page names a bit more awkward.
>
> How about "Editing guidelines" or "Documentation guidelines"?

Let's keep it in our subsection for the moment, we can still create a new page later if necessary (too many stubs out there already :-)

>> Which brings up another needed cleanup: Instead of being part of the
>> category "Tasks", some pages only have the prefix "Task:". I suggest
>> that all tasks be categorized as such and that we refrain from using the
>> Task: prefix.
>
> Oh good - we're in agreement on this :)

Do we clean that up then? Would mean to move all "Task:" pages to the same pagename without the "Task:" prefix, and categorizing as Task if not yet done.

Workworkwork...
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Oct 23, 2009, 5:57 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

I found this Fedora page when looking for FOSDEM�2010 info.� They use
mediawiki too-- but look at the design of this thing:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2010

I want THAT look (or similar) for maemo.org.

Thoughts?

Randall (Randy) Arnold
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> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Thomas Waelti" <twaelti [at] gmail>
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>, "Dave
Neary" <dneary [at] maemo>
> Subject: Re: Wiki Action Group: first task
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:33:14 +0200
>
>
> >> Just one thing first: some of the orphaned pages aren't really
orphaned,
> >> but "just" got linked the wrong way, by using an external instead of
an
> >> internal link. Remember this when cleaning up.
> >
> > Good point! Do you have any hints on finding these?
>
> Either I succeeded in cleaning all of the pages or our search engines
> are not good enough... :-(
> Neither searching the wiki for "[http://wiki.maemo" nor googling
> ""[http://wiki.maemo.org/" -retrieved site:wiki.maemo.org" was any
> help.
>
> >> Clean up the intro of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group
> >> somewhat. Can the docmaster do that?
> >
> > Sure - anyone can do that. What's unclear to you?
>
> Current misssion focus. Especially the midgard transition and
> readying the templates - isn't that mostly done?
>
> >> Could we just use a category "Trash" to mark pages for deletion?
> > Yes, adding a Trash category for pages marked for deletion is a good
> > idea - go for it!
>
> Will do.
>
> >> Let's add OS-related categories such as OS2008/Maemo5/Mer. Otherwise
we
> >> will end up with a large mishmash of stuff.
> >
> > Does that approach scale? I've thought about this before - is there
> > really a need for "OS2008/USB networking" and "OS2009/USB
networking"? I
> > can certainly understand subsections for pages which are specific to
a
> > distribution but for general tutorials or hints & tips, I don't think
> > they're necessary. Of course, the problem is that the lines blur -
stuff
> > that was hard under OS2007 got easier in OS2008 and needs new
> > instructions - but that's the general principle.
>
> Yes it should scale - my idea is to apply these OS categories rather
> like labels, not doing content-related subcategories under them. So
> you have an article in the networking category, valid for OS2008. Or
> one on packaging (category development), valid for OS2008 and Maemo5.
> This would make it easier than to add OS-specific subsections in each
> article if there isn't anything to say. OTOH, we should put
> networking as a subcategory under connectivity.
> I'll try to order and subcategorize our categories, building a category
tree.
>
> >> The results of this discussion should go to either the "Maemo Wiki
> >> Principles" subsection the the action group OR
> >> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Documentation_rules (which one? I'd
prefer
> >> the latter)
> >
> > I'd prefer to start moving away from the "Task:" nomenclature - I
don't
> > think it adds much, and it makes page names a bit more awkward.
> >
> > How about "Editing guidelines" or "Documentation guidelines"?
>
> Let's keep it in our subsection for the moment, we can still create a
> new page later if necessary (too many stubs out there already :-)
>
> >> Which brings up another needed cleanup: Instead of being part of the
> >> category "Tasks", some pages only have the prefix "Task:". I suggest
> >> that all tasks be categorized as such and that we refrain from using
the
> >> Task: prefix.
> >
> > Oh good - we're in agreement on this :)
>
> Do we clean that up then? Would mean to move all "Task:" pages to the
> same pagename without the "Task:" prefix, and categorizing as Task if
> not yet done.
>
> Workworkwork...
> -Tom
>
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Oct 26, 2009, 2:20 AM

Post #18 of 23 (1103 views)
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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

ext Randall Arnold wrote:
> I found this Fedora page when looking for FOSDEM 2010 info. They use
> mediawiki too-- but look at the design of this thing:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2010
>
> I want THAT look (or similar) for maemo.org.

Be my guest :)
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010&action=edit

http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010&action=edit

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Oct 26, 2009, 5:15 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 09:29, Quim Gil <quim.gil [at] nokia> wrote:
> ext Randall Arnold wrote:
>> I found this Fedora page when looking for FOSDEM 2010 info. �They use
>> mediawiki too-- but look at the design of this thing:
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2010
>>
>> I want THAT look (or similar) for maemo.org.
>
> Be my guest �:)
> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010&action=edit
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=FOSDEM_2010&action=edit

It's also worth pointing out that we *repeatedly* asked for people to
spruce up the Maemo_Summit_2009 page before the summit, to little
effect.

You don't need to know HTML and you can do amazing things in MediaWiki
with a bit of lateral thinking:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer

Cheers,

Andrew

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Oct 26, 2009, 5:18 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Hi,

Andrew Flegg wrote:
> You don't need to know HTML and you can do amazing things in MediaWiki
> with a bit of lateral thinking:

Even without needing to generate new graphics:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Co-Creation

Tim

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Oct 26, 2009, 5:39 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

This looks great indeed, saw it a few days ago and liked it very much.
OTOH: after weeding through the wiki for some hours, I must say that looks is my least concern - content and structure are in much greater need :-)

-Tom

> Hi,
>
> Andrew Flegg wrote:
>> You don't need to know HTML and you can do amazing things in MediaWiki
>> with a bit of lateral thinking:
>
> Even without needing to generate new graphics:
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Co-Creation
>
> Tim
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Oct 26, 2009, 8:24 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Thomas Waelti" <twaelti [at] gmail>
> To: tim [at] samoff, "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>, "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Subject: Re: Wiki Action Group: first task
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:39:51 +0100
>
>
> This looks great indeed, saw it a few days ago and liked it very much.
> OTOH: after weeding through the wiki for some hours, I must say that
> looks is my least concern - content and structure are in much greater
> need :-)
>
> -Tom
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Andrew Flegg wrote:
> >> You don't need to know HTML and you can do amazing things in MediaWiki
> >> with a bit of lateral thinking:
> >
> > Even without needing to generate new graphics:
> >
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Co-Creation
> >
> > Tim
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Tom I fully agree from a priority standpoint, and content-over-look is how I've been approaching things anyway since I'm still new to this and learning.

On the latter note, many thanks to Tim and others for the pointers.

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Nov 3, 2009, 9:06 AM

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Re: Wiki Action Group: first task [In reply to]

Hi,

Thomas Waelti wrote:
> This looks great indeed, saw it a few days ago and liked it very much.
> OTOH: after weeding through the wiki for some hours, I must say that looks is my least concern - content and structure are in much greater need :-)

What's great about this community is that everyone has a different top
priority/pet hate - and we can make it brilliant by taking care of each
of our top priorities (except, of course, where there's a conflict
between 2 priorities - and someone has to decide or compromise).

Cheers,
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