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dneary at maemo

Oct 8, 2009, 2:28 AM

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Relaunching the Wiki Action Group

Hi all,

The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are redundant,
hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere), with sections
that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle, sometimes out of
date. Organising everything is a chore too big for one person. The wiki
has official documentation, community contributed documentation, project
web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at interested
community members, and working documents related to sprints.

It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
existing wiki in a scalable positive way.

I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
weeding, the more the merrier.

Cheers,
Dave.

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texrat at ovi

Oct 13, 2009, 1:17 PM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

I'm in.

Randy

> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo>
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Subject: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:28:56 +0200
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are redundant,
> hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere), with sections
> that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle, sometimes out of
> date. Organising everything is a chore too big for one person. The wiki
> has official documentation, community contributed documentation, project
> web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at interested
> community members, and working documents related to sprints.
>
> It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
> the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
> existing wiki in a scalable positive way.
>
> I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
> discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
> content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
> weeding, the more the merrier.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
> --
> maemo.org docsmaster
> Email: dneary [at] maemo
> Jabber: bolsh [at] jabber
>
>
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kaithomsen at t-online

Oct 14, 2009, 3:10 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Dave,

If you are still looking for volunteers, I would like to help.

Cheers,
kaithomsen

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:17:05 -0500
> From: "Randall Arnold" <texrat [at] ovi>
> Subject: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Message-ID: <20091013201705.B830C70198A [at] ws9-2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I'm in.
>
> Randy
>
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo>
> > To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> > Subject: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:28:56 +0200
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are redundant,
> > hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere), with sections
> > that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle, sometimes out of
> > date. Organising everything is a chore too big for one person. The wiki
> > has official documentation, community contributed documentation, project
> > web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at interested
> > community members, and working documents related to sprints.
> >
> > It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
> > the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
> > existing wiki in a scalable positive way.
> >
> > I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
> > discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
> > content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
> > weeding, the more the merrier.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave.
> >
> > --
> > maemo.org docsmaster
> > Email: dneary [at] maemo
> > Jabber: bolsh [at] jabber
> >
> >
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dneary at maemo

Oct 14, 2009, 12:11 PM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Yes! Still looking for people, and will start working on a task list
tomorrow.

Randall & Kai, could you add your names to
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group#Members please? (same goes
for anyone else interested in sharing the load).

Cheers,
Dave.

Kai Thomsen wrote:
> Dave,
>
> If you are still looking for volunteers, I would like to help.
>
> Cheers,
> kaithomsen
>
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:17:05 -0500
>> From: "Randall Arnold" <texrat [at] ovi <mailto:texrat [at] ovi>>
>> Subject: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
>> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo
> <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>>
>> Message-ID: <20091013201705.B830C70198A [at] ws9-2
> <mailto:20091013201705.B830C70198A [at] ws9-2>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I'm in.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> > ----- Original message -----
>> > From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo <mailto:dneary [at] maemo>>
>> > To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo
> <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>>
>> > Subject: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
>> > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:28:56 +0200
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are redundant,
>> > hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere), with sections
>> > that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle, sometimes out of
>> > date. Organising everything is a chore too big for one person. The wiki
>> > has official documentation, community contributed documentation,
> project
>> > web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at
> interested
>> > community members, and working documents related to sprints.
>> >
>> > It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
>> > the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
>> > existing wiki in a scalable positive way.
>> >
>> > I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
>> > discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
>> > content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
>> > weeding, the more the merrier.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Dave.
>> >
>> > --
>> > maemo.org docsmaster
>> > Email: dneary [at] maemo <mailto:dneary [at] maemo>
>> > Jabber: bolsh [at] jabber <mailto:bolsh [at] jabber>
>> >
>> >
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texrat at ovi

Oct 14, 2009, 12:24 PM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Done.

Randy

> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo>
> To: "Kai Thomsen" <kaithomsen [at] t-online>, "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Subject: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:11:39 +0200
>
>
> Yes! Still looking for people, and will start working on a task list
> tomorrow.
>
> Randall & Kai, could you add your names to
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group#Members please? (same goes
> for anyone else interested in sharing the load).
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
>
> Kai Thomsen wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > If you are still looking for volunteers, I would like to help.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > kaithomsen
> >
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:17:05 -0500
> >> From: "Randall Arnold" <texrat [at] ovi <mailto:texrat [at] ovi>>
> >> Subject: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> >> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo
> > <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>>
> >> Message-ID: <20091013201705.B830C70198A [at] ws9-2
> > <mailto:20091013201705.B830C70198A [at] ws9-2>>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> I'm in.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> > ----- Original message -----
> >> > From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo <mailto:dneary [at] maemo>>
> >> > To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo
> > <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>>
> >> > Subject: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> >> > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:28:56 +0200
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are redundant,
> >> > hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere), with sections
> >> > that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle, sometimes out of
> >> > date. Organising everything is a chore too big for one person. The wiki
> >> > has official documentation, community contributed documentation,
> > project
> >> > web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at
> > interested
> >> > community members, and working documents related to sprints.
> >> >
> >> > It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
> >> > the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
> >> > existing wiki in a scalable positive way.
> >> >
> >> > I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
> >> > discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
> >> > content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
> >> > weeding, the more the merrier.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Dave.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > maemo.org docsmaster
> >> > Email: dneary [at] maemo <mailto:dneary [at] maemo>
> >> > Jabber: bolsh [at] jabber <mailto:bolsh [at] jabber>
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
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twaelti at gmail

Oct 14, 2009, 1:55 PM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

OK, here I am as discussed with Dave at the summit :-)

For communications: I suggest we get a separate discussion list. Or shall we ab-use this one? Might get spammy.

We need usertype-specific categories to flag articles for the appropriate audience:
New Users / Advanced Users / Power Users / Casual Developers. Application developers. Platform developpers.

Quality feedback or "usable yes/no" feedbacks is needed.

Categories/Labels for each major version of maemo to make it easier to weed out outdated stuff.
Use colored text to "fade away" very old articles?

PS: One question about maemo.org in general: Is it really only "The Home of the Maemo Community, an open source community developing software around the Maemo platform" as stated in the intro. What is our stance about the end users?

-Tom

>> >> > ----- Original message -----
>> >> > From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo <mailto:dneary [at] maemo>>
>> >> > To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo
>> > <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>>
>> >> > Subject: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
>> >> > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:28:56 +0200
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are redundant,
>> >> > hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere), with sections
>> >> > that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle, sometimes out of
>> >> > date. Organising everything is a chore too big for one person. The wiki
>> >> > has official documentation, community contributed documentation,
>> > project
>> >> > web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at
>> > interested
>> >> > community members, and working documents related to sprints.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
>> >> > the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
>> >> > existing wiki in a scalable positive way.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
>> >> > discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
>> >> > content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
>> >> > weeding, the more the merrier.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Dave.

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rabelg5 at gmail

Oct 14, 2009, 2:01 PM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Thomas Waelti wrote:

> PS: One question about maemo.org in general: Is it really only "The
> Home of the Maemo Community, an open source community developing
> software around the Maemo platform" as stated in the intro. What is
> our stance about the end users?

As has been said elsewhere, the intro is old and invalid. It needs
updating.
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twaelti at gmail

Oct 14, 2009, 2:10 PM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

And who does that? The Docmaster?
Or do we extend the Wiki action group into a Doc action group?
-T

> On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Thomas Waelti wrote:
>
>> PS: One question about maemo.org in general: Is it really only "The
>> Home of the Maemo Community, an open source community developing
>> software around the Maemo platform" as stated in the intro. What is
>> our stance about the end users?
>
> As has been said elsewhere, the intro is old and invalid. It needs
> updating.
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rabelg5 at gmail

Oct 14, 2009, 2:22 PM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

On Oct 14, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Thomas Waelti wrote:

> And who does that? The Docmaster?
>

Anybody interested.

> Or do we extend the Wiki action group into a Doc action group?
>

"maemowiki" is a bit outdated, a name change wouldn't hurt.
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dneary at maemo

Oct 15, 2009, 2:30 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Hi,

Thomas Waelti wrote:
> For communications: I suggest we get a separate discussion list. Or shall we ab-use this one? Might get spammy.

I'm definitely in favour of using this one until it becomes obvious that
we need something apart. Remember, Linux was announced, and lived very
happily for over a year, on comp.os.minix.

Most of our work will be in the wiki, in any case, so I don't imagine
that we will be swamping everyone's mailbox.

> We need usertype-specific categories to flag articles for the appropriate audience:
> New Users / Advanced Users / Power Users / Casual Developers. Application developers. Platform developpers.

We have those - good start :) We can of course improve them. But not so
granular as they become unusable.

> Quality feedback or "usable yes/no" feedbacks is needed.

I agree - we should figure out if there's a mediawiki module that will
allow us to gather this feedback.

> Categories/Labels for each major version of maemo to make it easier to weed out outdated stuff.
> Use colored text to "fade away" very old articles?

Mmmm... I'm not a fan of this. Archive docs for older versions, and we
should try to actively maintain (IMHO) the latest release, the previous
release & the upcoming release. That means in a few months we'll be
juggling Harmattan, Fremantle and Diablo. That's enough, I think. If
people want to add or update docs for older versions, then they are free
to do so, but anything older than N800 is more or less considered legacy
now.

> PS: One question about maemo.org in general: Is it really only "The Home
> of the Maemo Community, an open source community developing software
> around the Maemo platform" as stated in the intro. What is our stance
> about the end users?

End users who engage maemo.org are members of the community. Developing
the software and platform doesn't mean writing code, but it means more
than using the devices.

Cheers,
Dave.

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dneary at maemo

Oct 15, 2009, 2:32 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Ryan Abel wrote:
> As has been said elsewhere, the intro is old and invalid. It needs
> updating.

Where is elsewhere? The intro was written only a year ago, and sweems
pretty good to me.

I'm happy if people have changes to propose to the intro - and I'll
happily put them live (or explain why I think they're not better &
discuss), if I proposed improvements (either here or in bugzilla).

Cheers,
Dave.

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dneary at maemo

Oct 15, 2009, 2:33 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Thomas Waelti wrote:
> And who does that? The Docmaster?

The intro is in Midgard, so any Midgard administrator can edit it. That
includes, but is not limited to, me.

> Or do we extend the Wiki action group into a Doc action group?

The general idea is that almost everything to do with maemo.org docs
will be in the wiki. For the maemo.org static content, the idea is to
have a simple & clear structure which won't need to be changed every
year, and timeless content if at all possible.

Cheers,
Dave.

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tim at samoff

Oct 15, 2009, 5:30 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

One of my ideas was to style every "first page" of any topic just like
the front page of the wiki... There should be easy headings with icons,
etc. Subpages shouldn't need this styling, but they should still be
designed with care for easy reading/navigating/etc.

Tim

Thomas Waelti wrote:
> OK, here I am as discussed with Dave at the summit :-)
>
> For communications: I suggest we get a separate discussion list. Or shall we ab-use this one? Might get spammy.
>
> We need usertype-specific categories to flag articles for the appropriate audience:
> New Users / Advanced Users / Power Users / Casual Developers. Application developers. Platform developpers.
>
> Quality feedback or "usable yes/no" feedbacks is needed.
>
> Categories/Labels for each major version of maemo to make it easier to weed out outdated stuff.
> Use colored text to "fade away" very old articles?
>
>
> PS: One question about maemo.org in general: Is it really only "The Home of the Maemo Community, an open source community developing software around the Maemo platform" as stated in the intro. What is our stance about the end users?
>
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>> ----- Original message -----
>>>>>> From: "Dave Neary"<dneary [at] maemo<mailto:dneary [at] maemo>>
>>>>>> To: "List for community development"<maemo-community [at] maemo
>>>> <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>>
>>>>>> Subject: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:28:56 +0200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are redundant,
>>>>>> hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere), with sections
>>>>>> that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle, sometimes out of
>>>>>> date. Organising everything is a chore too big for one person. The wiki
>>>>>> has official documentation, community contributed documentation,
>>>> project
>>>>>> web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at
>>>> interested
>>>>>> community members, and working documents related to sprints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
>>>>>> the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
>>>>>> existing wiki in a scalable positive way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
>>>>>> discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
>>>>>> content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
>>>>>> weeding, the more the merrier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dave.
>
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Oct 15, 2009, 5:43 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

I agree with Tim. No need to get too bogged down in formality, but a little goes a long way. Overall the wiki seems too chaotic to me.

Randy
----- Original message -----
> One of my ideas was to style every "first page" of any topic just like
> the front page of the wiki... There should be easy headings with icons,
> etc. Subpages shouldn't need this styling, but they should still be
> designed with care for easy reading/navigating/etc.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> Thomas Waelti wrote:
> > OK, here I am as discussed with Dave at the summit :-)
> >
> > For communications: I suggest we get a separate discussion list. Or shall we
> > ab-use this one? Might get spammy.
> >
> > We need usertype-specific categories to flag articles for the appropriate
> > audience: New Users / Advanced Users / Power Users / Casual Developers.
> > Application developers. Platform developpers.
> >
> > Quality feedback or "usable yes/no" feedbacks is needed.
> >
> > Categories/Labels for each major version of maemo to make it easier to weed
> > out outdated stuff. Use colored text to "fade away" very old articles?
> >
> >
> > PS: One question about maemo.org in general: Is it really only "The Home of
> > the Maemo Community, an open source community developing software around the
> > Maemo platform" as stated in the intro. What is our stance about the end users?
> >
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > > ----- Original message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Dave Neary"<dneary [at] maemo<mailto:dneary [at] maemo>>
> > > > > > > To: "List for community development"<maemo-community [at] maemo
> > > > > <mailto:maemo-community [at] maemo>>
> > > > > > > Subject: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:28:56 +0200
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The wiki has grown weeds over the last year or so. Pages are
> > > > > > > redundant, hard to find (because they're not linked from anywhere),
> > > > > > > with sections that need updating, and with the release of Fremantle,
> > > > > > > sometimes out of date. Organising everything is a chore too big for
> > > > > > > one person. The wiki has official documentation, community
> > > > > > > contributed documentation,
> > > > > project
> > > > > > > web pages (like Mer), roadmap/aspirational documents aimed at
> > > > > interested
> > > > > > > community members, and working documents related to sprints.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's clear that we need to build a team for the job at hand - weeding
> > > > > > > the garden, and tidying the shelves, so that we can build on the
> > > > > > > existing wiki in a scalable positive way.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm looking for volunteers, and will be taking names and having
> > > > > > > discussions about this during the Summit. Ideas about how to organise
> > > > > > > content and organise the team are welcome - and, as always with wiki
> > > > > > > weeding, the more the merrier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Dave.
> >
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dneary at maemo

Oct 15, 2009, 5:51 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Hi,

Randall Arnold wrote:
> I agree with Tim. No need to get too bogged down in formality, but a
> little goes a long way. Overall the wiki seems too chaotic to me.

Perhaps a good start, then, is to identify the pages that we need to
either create or modify to make navigation easier? Under the
"Landscaping" section in the
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group wiki page is a great place
to start.

Also, I'd like us to be identifying pages that we can merge, heavily
edit, or remove - "Weeding" and "Pruning" sections.

Perhaps the least immediately pressing is the docs which are missing
that we need to create - the "Planting" section.

Let's move the talk to the wiki & get started!

Cheers,
Dave.

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texrat at ovi

Oct 15, 2009, 6:16 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Sounds great! I'm going to make my default focus filling in missing info that would be helpful for newcomers.

Randy
----- Original message -----
> Hi,
>
> Randall Arnold wrote:
> > I agree with Tim. No need to get too bogged down in formality, but a
> > little goes a long way. Overall the wiki seems too chaotic to me.
>
> Perhaps a good start, then, is to identify the pages that we need to
> either create or modify to make navigation easier? Under the
> "Landscaping" section in the
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group wiki page is a great place
> to start.
>
> Also, I'd like us to be identifying pages that we can merge, heavily
> edit, or remove - "Weeding" and "Pruning" sections.
>
> Perhaps the least immediately pressing is the docs which are missing
> that we need to create - the "Planting" section.
>
> Let's move the talk to the wiki & get started!
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
> --
> maemo.org docsmaster
> Email: dneary [at] maemo
> Jabber: bolsh [at] jabber

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texrat at ovi

Oct 15, 2009, 6:59 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

To build on my last email...

I understand completely if there's opposition to this, but I think it would be helpful if we identified primary roles for ourselves. For instance I currently have a high interest in filling in gaps for newcomers. One example is the IRC page, which I am about to update to include more links to resources (such as tablet clients, not currently mentioned).

So the primary role I would take on for now is "content filler". Along the same lines it would be good to have a lead on style and other aspects.

On a related note, do we have a site map or plans to implement one? If not I will volunteer to take this on as a project.

Randy

> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo>
> To: "Randall Arnold" <texrat [at] ovi>, "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Subject: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:51:38 +0200
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Randall Arnold wrote:
> > I agree with Tim. No need to get too bogged down in formality, but a
> > little goes a long way. Overall the wiki seems too chaotic to me.
>
> Perhaps a good start, then, is to identify the pages that we need to
> either create or modify to make navigation easier? Under the
> "Landscaping" section in the
> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group wiki page is a great place
> to start.
>
> Also, I'd like us to be identifying pages that we can merge, heavily
> edit, or remove - "Weeding" and "Pruning" sections.
>
> Perhaps the least immediately pressing is the docs which are missing
> that we need to create - the "Planting" section.
>
> Let's move the talk to the wiki & get started!
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
> --
> maemo.org docsmaster
> Email: dneary [at] maemo
> Jabber: bolsh [at] jabber
>

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Oct 15, 2009, 7:33 AM

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Aw: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

I like the idea of finding primary roles. I could look after style a bit and work on moving the old Midgard pages over to the new style.

Kai

----- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -----
> To build on my last email...
>
> I understand completely if there's opposition to this, but I think it would be
> helpful if we identified primary roles for ourselves. For instance I currently
> have a high interest in filling in gaps for newcomers. One example is the IRC
> page, which I am about to update to include more links to resources (such as
> tablet clients, not currently mentioned).
>
> So the primary role I would take on for now is "content filler". Along the same
> lines it would be good to have a lead on style and other aspects.
>
> On a related note, do we have a site map or plans to implement one? If not I
> will volunteer to take this on as a project.
>
> Randy
>
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo>
> > To: "Randall Arnold" <texrat [at] ovi>, "List for community development"
> > <maemo-community [at] maemo> Subject: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:51:38 +0200
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Randall Arnold wrote:
> > > I agree with Tim. No need to get too bogged down in formality, but a
> > > little goes a long way. Overall the wiki seems too chaotic to me.
> >
> > Perhaps a good start, then, is to identify the pages that we need to
> > either create or modify to make navigation easier? Under the
> > "Landscaping" section in the
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group wiki page is a great place
> > to start.
> >
> > Also, I'd like us to be identifying pages that we can merge, heavily
> > edit, or remove - "Weeding" and "Pruning" sections.
> >
> > Perhaps the least immediately pressing is the docs which are missing
> > that we need to create - the "Planting" section.
> >
> > Let's move the talk to the wiki & get started!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave.
> >
> > --
> > maemo.org docsmaster
> > Email: dneary [at] maemo
> > Jabber: bolsh [at] jabber
> >
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Oct 15, 2009, 8:38 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

On Oct 15, 2009, at 5:32 AM, Dave Neary wrote:

> Ryan Abel wrote:
>
>> As has been said elsewhere, the intro is old and invalid. It needs
>> updating.
>
> Where is elsewhere?

Probably Talk and a few other places.

> The intro was written only a year ago, and sweems
> pretty good to me.

It's developer-centric and does not mesh up with maemo.org's new role
in the Maemo universe. :)
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dneary at maemo

Oct 15, 2009, 8:55 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

Hi,

Ryan Abel wrote:
>> The intro was written only a year ago, and sweems
>> pretty good to me.
>
> It's developer-centric and does not mesh up with maemo.org's new role
> in the Maemo universe. :)

If I may be so bold, maemo.org is power-user-centric - as is the intro.

I will happily consider any proposed improvements, though.

Cheers,
Dave.

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texrat at ovi

Oct 15, 2009, 9:01 AM

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Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group [In reply to]

I agree with the power-user centricity of the facing page as well as the
community at large-- personally I don't want that to change (it's our
differentiator).� But I'm in alignment with Ryan that at the very least
we can massage the content, especially introductory text, to at least
acknowledge and perhaps (re)direct others such as casual users.

I will put some solid thought into *how* after work.

Randall (Randy) Arnold
maemo.org community council
http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/

> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Dave Neary" <dneary [at] maemo>
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community [at] maemo>
> Subject: Re: Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:55:18 +0200
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Ryan Abel wrote:
> >> The intro was written only a year ago, and sweems
> >> pretty good to me.
> >
> > It's developer-centric and does not mesh up with maemo.org's new
> > role in the Maemo universe. :)
>
> If I may be so bold, maemo.org is power-user-centric - as is the intro.
>
> I will happily consider any proposed improvements, though.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
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