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a.grandi at gmail

Feb 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

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Organizing Maemo Summit 2009

Hi all,

talking with Tim Samoff in these days, we did think it could be the
time to start organizing next Maemo Summit.
The first one was a very amazing experience (at least for me, but I
think for a lot of people too!) and we should try to repeat this great
thing.

I wrote down some points we could follow as guidelines to organize the summit:

1. Country and city

Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
people come from? Are there more american or european? I think this is
an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
organize the summit.

If there are 80% european and 20% american, it's normal to organize it
here in Europe, so the most of people can come buy them self and the
other can be sponsored by Nokia. Of course we should choose a city
easily reachable with flights (like a capital or a big city:
barcelona, madrid, berlin, london, ecc....).

We could prepare a simple poll or a form to get some tips and
suggestion from the people that wish to attend.

2. The place

I think it's important to find a place like C-base for the next Maemo
summit. We are an open community and a place like that is very
comfortable and interesting for us geeks, developers and Maemo fans.

We could take contacts with local Linux user groups or other similar
groups, so we could know how much they're interested in offering their
place for the summit.

I'll try as much as possible to avoid places like hotels, luxurious
conference rooms ecc... first because they're very expensive, second
because they're not the kind of place that remind to community and
openness. What do you think about?

3. Contents

What should a summit offer to community? We should encourage knowledge
exchange in every kind of way: organizing small conferences and a lot
of light talks (they were one of the most interesting things in the
summit), create little groups of discussion (for example, 10-15 people
choose a subject and meet in a room to discuss it directly) ecc... and
the most important thing: we should ask the community what they expect
to find in a summit.

4. Sponsor

The fact that Nokia sponsor some of us is a very great thing. I'd
never had the possibility to join the Berlin summit, since I'm a
student and I cannot spend so much.

The important is to avoid wasting money. Nokia should
encourage sharing a room with another person of the community, so more
people can be sponsored. What do you think about?

5. When?

When should we organize the summit? Before a big release (like
Freemantle), just after the final release or after some months of
development with it? I don't remember exactly when the final release of
Freemantle is scheduled for, but I think that next September would be
a nice period... what do you think about?

6. Live blogging

I think it would be great if someone (at least 2-3 people) would blog,
post picture ecc... in real time while the summit is going on.

7. Live streaming

We could use something like ustream.tv or justin.tv to offer a live
audio/video streaming
of the summit (conferences, light talks ecc...). So people that cannot
join directly can
follow the summit from their home.

When we have some confirmed points we should start creating a page on
the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009
so all people can read and give suggestions.

I hope that each of you can give his little contribute in the
organization. Personally I can
take care of organizing sessions.

Come one people! Let's start working on the next summit! :)

p.s: sorry for my poor english :\

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vern at riseup

Feb 9, 2009, 8:44 AM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

> * Nokia has already stated that Maemo Summit would be a yearly event. This
> means that the next one will be sometime August/September 2009.

Debconf in Extremadura, Spain in August and invite the Debconf-video team to stream it...these guys rock

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bmidgley at gmail

Feb 9, 2009, 10:45 AM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

Hi

> 7. Live streaming

Live streaming has usually been disappointing in my experience. Nobody
is prepared to test how well it scales until the conference starts and
then it's too late :)

I can't say I'm totally impartial (I help these guys with recording
conferences) but a nice way to get the info out there would be to make
confreaks.com record the slides/talks and put them online after the
conference is over. It's a great way to catch up or review
talks/tracks you couldn't get to.

Here's a sample: http://rubyconf2008.confreaks.com/

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anidel at gmail

Feb 9, 2009, 12:08 PM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

2009/2/9 Andrea Grandi <a.grandi [at] gmail>:
> Hi all,
>
> talking with Tim Samoff in these days, we did think it could be the
> time to start organizing next Maemo Summit.
> The first one was a very amazing experience (at least for me, but I
> think for a lot of people too!) and we should try to repeat this great
> thing.
>
> I wrote down some points we could follow as guidelines to organize the summit:
>
> 1. Country and city
>
> Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
> people come from? Are there more american or european? I think this is
> an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
> organize the summit.
>
> If there are 80% european and 20% american, it's normal to organize it
> here in Europe, so the most of people can come buy them self and the
> other can be sponsored by Nokia. Of course we should choose a city
> easily reachable with flights (like a capital or a big city:
> barcelona, madrid, berlin, london, ecc....).
>
> We could prepare a simple poll or a form to get some tips and
> suggestion from the people that wish to attend.
>

The where depends on a number of factors.
I wouldn't go for which country has got more attendees.
This would work once, but then ?

We should probably just "rotate".
Let's come up with a list of possible candidates and then we choose
how to rotate ?

> 2. The place
>
> I think it's important to find a place like C-base for the next Maemo
> summit. We are an open community and a place like that is very
> comfortable and interesting for us geeks, developers and Maemo fans.
>
> We could take contacts with local Linux user groups or other similar
> groups, so we could know how much they're interested in offering their
> place for the summit.
>
> I'll try as much as possible to avoid places like hotels, luxurious
> conference rooms ecc... first because they're very expensive, second
> because they're not the kind of place that remind to community and
> openness. What do you think about?
>

This of course depends from the place we choose as venue.

> 3. Contents
>
> What should a summit offer to community? We should encourage knowledge
> exchange in every kind of way: organizing small conferences and a lot
> of light talks (they were one of the most interesting things in the
> summit), create little groups of discussion (for example, 10-15 people
> choose a subject and meet in a room to discuss it directly) ecc... and
> the most important thing: we should ask the community what they expect
> to find in a summit.
>

We should first find out a venue, then who is going to contribute and with what.
Then organize the talks/discussions/etc..

> 4. Sponsor
>
> The fact that Nokia sponsor some of us is a very great thing. I'd
> never had the possibility to join the Berlin summit, since I'm a
> student and I cannot spend so much.
>
> The important is to avoid wasting money. Nokia should
> encourage sharing a room with another person of the community, so more
> people can be sponsored. What do you think about?
>

Is Nokia going to sponsor again ?

> 5. When?
>
> When should we organize the summit? Before a big release (like
> Freemantle), just after the final release or after some months of
> development with it? I don't remember exactly when the final release of
> Freemantle is scheduled for, but I think that next September would be
> a nice period... what do you think about?
>

As Fremantle is a big release, I suspect the Maemo team will be very
busy with this release.
This depends, thus, on them.
I would go for right after the Fremantle release.
Or, if Nokia would like to use the Maemo Summit as the place for the
announcement, that would be a great time.

> When we have some confirmed points we should start creating a page on
> the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009
> so all people can read and give suggestions.
>

Probably we should already do that ?

Also, what would be the role of the Council in this ?

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jamie at linuxuk

Feb 9, 2009, 12:24 PM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 11:45 -0700, Brad Midgley wrote:
> Hi
>
> > 7. Live streaming
>
> Live streaming has usually been disappointing in my experience. Nobody
> is prepared to test how well it scales until the conference starts and
> then it's too late :)
>
> I can't say I'm totally impartial (I help these guys with recording
> conferences) but a nice way to get the info out there would be to make
> confreaks.com record the slides/talks and put them online after the
> conference is over. It's a great way to catch up or review
> talks/tracks you couldn't get to.
>
> Here's a sample: http://rubyconf2008.confreaks.com/

While confreaks seem to do a good job, the price of recording seems a
little on the high side for a community project [1].

Being responsible for recording the summit last time I know it could of
been done better. Better integration of slides into the videos, some
graphics?, more interviews, faster time to re-encode and faster
uploading would all make the event better for the non-attendee's. I have
my excuses for a couple of these things (try editing AVCHD under Linux
even today!) but the next summit deserves something special with
Fremantle around the corner.

What I'm trying to say is that I would rather see a community driven
approach from start to finish and compromise a bit of the quality than
see something done by an external company.

Depending on the venue for the next summit I would love to be there
again, this time with better idea's on how to make the video coverage
better.

Regards,
Jamie

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liquid at gmail

Feb 9, 2009, 12:24 PM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

key dependencies to any summit:

plenty of beer, wifi, power-outlets and bacon.

berlin was strangely lacking in the latter.

would like to have a smaller less formal meetup within the country fairly
soon to discuss development.

gary

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo <anidel [at] gmail> wrote:

> 2009/2/9 Andrea Grandi <a.grandi [at] gmail>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > talking with Tim Samoff in these days, we did think it could be the
> > time to start organizing next Maemo Summit.
> > The first one was a very amazing experience (at least for me, but I
> > think for a lot of people too!) and we should try to repeat this great
> > thing.
> >
> > I wrote down some points we could follow as guidelines to organize the
> summit:
> >
> > 1. Country and city
> >
> > Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
> > people come from? Are there more american or european? I think this is
> > an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
> > organize the summit.
> >
> > If there are 80% european and 20% american, it's normal to organize it
> > here in Europe, so the most of people can come buy them self and the
> > other can be sponsored by Nokia. Of course we should choose a city
> > easily reachable with flights (like a capital or a big city:
> > barcelona, madrid, berlin, london, ecc....).
> >
> > We could prepare a simple poll or a form to get some tips and
> > suggestion from the people that wish to attend.
> >
>
> The where depends on a number of factors.
> I wouldn't go for which country has got more attendees.
> This would work once, but then ?
>
> We should probably just "rotate".
> Let's come up with a list of possible candidates and then we choose
> how to rotate ?
>
> > 2. The place
> >
> > I think it's important to find a place like C-base for the next Maemo
> > summit. We are an open community and a place like that is very
> > comfortable and interesting for us geeks, developers and Maemo fans.
> >
> > We could take contacts with local Linux user groups or other similar
> > groups, so we could know how much they're interested in offering their
> > place for the summit.
> >
> > I'll try as much as possible to avoid places like hotels, luxurious
> > conference rooms ecc... first because they're very expensive, second
> > because they're not the kind of place that remind to community and
> > openness. What do you think about?
> >
>
> This of course depends from the place we choose as venue.
>
> > 3. Contents
> >
> > What should a summit offer to community? We should encourage knowledge
> > exchange in every kind of way: organizing small conferences and a lot
> > of light talks (they were one of the most interesting things in the
> > summit), create little groups of discussion (for example, 10-15 people
> > choose a subject and meet in a room to discuss it directly) ecc... and
> > the most important thing: we should ask the community what they expect
> > to find in a summit.
> >
>
> We should first find out a venue, then who is going to contribute and with
> what.
> Then organize the talks/discussions/etc..
>
> > 4. Sponsor
> >
> > The fact that Nokia sponsor some of us is a very great thing. I'd
> > never had the possibility to join the Berlin summit, since I'm a
> > student and I cannot spend so much.
> >
> > The important is to avoid wasting money. Nokia should
> > encourage sharing a room with another person of the community, so more
> > people can be sponsored. What do you think about?
> >
>
> Is Nokia going to sponsor again ?
>
> > 5. When?
> >
> > When should we organize the summit? Before a big release (like
> > Freemantle), just after the final release or after some months of
> > development with it? I don't remember exactly when the final release of
> > Freemantle is scheduled for, but I think that next September would be
> > a nice period... what do you think about?
> >
>
> As Fremantle is a big release, I suspect the Maemo team will be very
> busy with this release.
> This depends, thus, on them.
> I would go for right after the Fremantle release.
> Or, if Nokia would like to use the Maemo Summit as the place for the
> announcement, that would be a great time.
>
> > When we have some confirmed points we should start creating a page on
> > the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009
> > so all people can read and give suggestions.
> >
>
> Probably we should already do that ?
>
> Also, what would be the role of the Council in this ?
>
> --
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>

tim at samoff

Feb 9, 2009, 12:31 PM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

A couple of things that I discussed with Andrea privately, but wanted to
interject here:

* Nokia has already stated that Maemo Summit would be a yearly event. This
means that the next one will be sometime August/September 2009.
** The exact time will most likely occur in conjunction with another major
FLOSS conference.
* We had some discussions (I forget if it was on this List or somewhere
else) about whether the Summit would always be in Europe or rotate around,
etc. This will have to do with a couple of factors: (1) Like with the
timing, the location will probably depend on the other conference that the
Summit becomes aligned with; (2) it turns out that most Maemo
users/developers are in easier access to European countries.

To answer Anildel's question, Maemo Council will help out as regular Maemo
Community members (as that is what we are). If Maemo SW chooses to use us
in greater capacity, they are free to -- all of which will be public
knowledge. As of now, we have not been discussing Maemo Summit 2009. (One
of the reasons I asked Andrea to bring it up here.)

Tim

On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:08:46 +0000, Aniello Del Sorbo <anidel [at] gmail>
wrote:
> 2009/2/9 Andrea Grandi <a.grandi [at] gmail>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> talking with Tim Samoff in these days, we did think it could be the
>> time to start organizing next Maemo Summit.
>> The first one was a very amazing experience (at least for me, but I
>> think for a lot of people too!) and we should try to repeat this great
>> thing.
>>
>> I wrote down some points we could follow as guidelines to organize the
>> summit:
>>
>> 1. Country and city
>>
>> Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
>> people come from? Are there more american or european? I think this is
>> an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
>> organize the summit.
>>
>> If there are 80% european and 20% american, it's normal to organize it
>> here in Europe, so the most of people can come buy them self and the
>> other can be sponsored by Nokia. Of course we should choose a city
>> easily reachable with flights (like a capital or a big city:
>> barcelona, madrid, berlin, london, ecc....).
>>
>> We could prepare a simple poll or a form to get some tips and
>> suggestion from the people that wish to attend.
>>
>
> The where depends on a number of factors.
> I wouldn't go for which country has got more attendees.
> This would work once, but then ?
>
> We should probably just "rotate".
> Let's come up with a list of possible candidates and then we choose
> how to rotate ?
>
>> 2. The place
>>
>> I think it's important to find a place like C-base for the next Maemo
>> summit. We are an open community and a place like that is very
>> comfortable and interesting for us geeks, developers and Maemo fans.
>>
>> We could take contacts with local Linux user groups or other similar
>> groups, so we could know how much they're interested in offering their
>> place for the summit.
>>
>> I'll try as much as possible to avoid places like hotels, luxurious
>> conference rooms ecc... first because they're very expensive, second
>> because they're not the kind of place that remind to community and
>> openness. What do you think about?
>>
>
> This of course depends from the place we choose as venue.
>
>> 3. Contents
>>
>> What should a summit offer to community? We should encourage knowledge
>> exchange in every kind of way: organizing small conferences and a lot
>> of light talks (they were one of the most interesting things in the
>> summit), create little groups of discussion (for example, 10-15 people
>> choose a subject and meet in a room to discuss it directly) ecc... and
>> the most important thing: we should ask the community what they expect
>> to find in a summit.
>>
>
> We should first find out a venue, then who is going to contribute and
with
> what.
> Then organize the talks/discussions/etc..
>
>> 4. Sponsor
>>
>> The fact that Nokia sponsor some of us is a very great thing. I'd
>> never had the possibility to join the Berlin summit, since I'm a
>> student and I cannot spend so much.
>>
>> The important is to avoid wasting money. Nokia should
>> encourage sharing a room with another person of the community, so more
>> people can be sponsored. What do you think about?
>>
>
> Is Nokia going to sponsor again ?
>
>> 5. When?
>>
>> When should we organize the summit? Before a big release (like
>> Freemantle), just after the final release or after some months of
>> development with it? I don't remember exactly when the final release of
>> Freemantle is scheduled for, but I think that next September would be
>> a nice period... what do you think about?
>>
>
> As Fremantle is a big release, I suspect the Maemo team will be very
> busy with this release.
> This depends, thus, on them.
> I would go for right after the Fremantle release.
> Or, if Nokia would like to use the Maemo Summit as the place for the
> announcement, that would be a great time.
>
>> When we have some confirmed points we should start creating a page on
>> the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009
>> so all people can read and give suggestions.
>>
>
> Probably we should already do that ?
>
> Also, what would be the role of the Council in this ?

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Feb 9, 2009, 12:33 PM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

> berlin was strangely lacking in the latter.

I've heard rumours that Community Council Member lardman will take care of
this for 2009.

Tim

On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:24:26 +0000, gary liquid wrote: key dependencies to
any summit:

plenty of beer, wifi, power-outlets and bacon.

berlin was strangely lacking in the latter.

would like to have a smaller less formal meetup within the country fairly
soon to discuss development.

gary

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
2009/2/9 Andrea Grandi :
> Hi all,
>
> talking with Tim Samoff in these days, we did think it could be the
> time to start organizing next Maemo Summit.
> The first one was a very amazing experience (at least for me, but I
> think for a lot of people too!) and we should try to repeat this great
> thing.
>
> I wrote down some points we could follow as guidelines to organize the
summit:
>
> 1. Country and city
>
> Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
>
people come from? Are there more american or european? I think this is
> an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
> organize the summit.
>
> If there are 80% european and 20% american, it's normal to organize it
> here in Europe, so the most of people can come buy them self and the
> other can be sponsored by Nokia. Of course we should choose a city
> easily reachable with flights (like a capital or a big city:
> barcelona, madrid, berlin, london, ecc....).
>
> We could prepare a simple poll or a form to get some tips and
> suggestion from the people that wish to attend.
>

The where depends on a number of factors.
I wouldn't go for which country has got more attendees.
This would work once, but then ?

We should probably just "rotate".
Let's come up with a list of possible candidates and then we choose
how to rotate ?

> 2. The place
>
> I think it's important to find a place like C-base for the next Maemo
> summit. We are an open
community and a place like that is very
> comfortable and interesting for us geeks, developers and Maemo fans.
>
> We could take contacts with local Linux user groups or other similar
> groups, so we could know how much they're interested in offering their
> place for the summit.
>
> I'll try as much as possible to avoid places like hotels, luxurious
> conference rooms ecc... first because they're very expensive, second
> because they're not the kind of place that remind to community and
> openness. What do you think about?
>

This of course depends from the place we choose as venue.

> 3. Contents
>
> What should a summit offer to community? We should encourage knowledge
> exchange in every kind of way: organizing small conferences and a lot
> of light talks (they were one of the most interesting things in the
> summit), create little groups of discussion (for example, 10-15 people
> choose a subject and meet in a room to discuss it directly) ecc... and
> the
most important thing: we should ask the community what they expect
> to find in a summit.
>

We should first find out a venue, then who is going to contribute and
with what.
Then organize the talks/discussions/etc..

> 4. Sponsor
>
> The fact that Nokia sponsor some of us is a very great thing. I'd
> never had the possibility to join the Berlin summit, since I'm a
> student and I cannot spend so much.
>
> The important is to avoid wasting money. Nokia should
> encourage sharing a room with another person of the community, so more
> people can be sponsored. What do you think about?
>

Is Nokia going to sponsor again ?

> 5. When?
>
> When should we organize the summit? Before a big release (like
> Freemantle), just after the final release or after some months of
> development with it? I don't remember exactly when the final release of
> Freemantle is scheduled for, but I think that next September would be
> a nice period... what do you think about?
>

As
Fremantle is a big release, I suspect the Maemo team will be very
busy with this release.
This depends, thus, on them.
I would go for right after the Fremantle release.
Or, if Nokia would like to use the Maemo Summit as the place for the
announcement, that would be a great time.

> When we have some confirmed points we should start creating a page on
> the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 [3]
> so all people can read and give suggestions.
>

Probably we should already do that ?

Also, what would be the role of the Council in this ?

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jamie at linuxuk

Feb 9, 2009, 12:46 PM

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On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 17:56 +0100, Andrea Grandi wrote:
> 1. Country and city
>
> Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
> people come from? Are there more american or european? I think this is
> an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
> organize the summit.

We had this discussion at the last summit and the consensus was that an
overwhelming proportion of attendee's were based in Europe.

> 2. The place
>
> I think it's important to find a place like C-base for the next Maemo
> summit. We are an open community and a place like that is very
> comfortable and interesting for us geeks, developers and Maemo fans.

C-Base was great, finding an equally good site will be tough; a job that
I wouldn't like to undertake.

> 3. Contents
>
> What should a summit offer to community? We should encourage knowledge
> exchange in every kind of way: organizing small conferences and a lot
> of light talks (they were one of the most interesting things in the
> summit), create little groups of discussion (for example, 10-15 people
> choose a subject and meet in a room to discuss it directly) ecc... and
> the most important thing: we should ask the community what they expect
> to find in a summit.

I expect a lot of the talks will be centered around Fremantle but
obviously there will be a need for small BOF's and talks on the
peripheral components of Fremantle. I would like to see mix of these
smaller groups with the larger, product announcements and Nokia produced
talks. The format last time seemed to work well.

> 5. When?
>
> When should we organize the summit? Before a big release (like
> Freemantle), just after the final release or after some months of
> development with it? I don't remember exactly when the final release of
> Freemantle is scheduled for, but I think that next September would be
> a nice period... what do you think about?

I would prefer a 'before announcement' summit, one that is held a month
or so before the official release. That way we get the excitement from
the summit coverage generating product anticipation within the wider
community and beyond.

> 6. Live blogging
>
> I think it would be great if someone (at least 2-3 people) would blog,
> post picture ecc... in real time while the summit is going on.

There were a couple of us doing this last time, Ryan Paul, Thoughtfix,
me among others. From looking at my website traffic from that week I see
this as an important element of the summit.

> 7. Live streaming
>
> We could use something like ustream.tv or justin.tv to offer a live
> audio/video streaming
> of the summit (conferences, light talks ecc...). So people that cannot
> join directly can
> follow the summit from their home.

I'm not so sure about live streaming. I usually prefer recorded talks
that have had a little post-processing and polishing, crud removed and
augmented with slides.

> p.s: sorry for my poor english :\

No need to apologise, your English is fine :)

Regards,
Jamie
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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Jamie Bennett <jamie [at] linuxuk> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 17:56 +0100, Andrea Grandi wrote:
> > 1. Country and city
> >
> > Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
> > people come from? Are there more american or european? I think this is
> > an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
> > organize the summit.
>
> We had this discussion at the last summit and the consensus was that an
> overwhelming proportion of attendee's were based in Europe.

I hope this wasn't a surprise; given that the conference is in Europe,
and from what I understand of the affordability of traveling in
Europe, I'd expect a far greater fraction of potential attendees from
Europe would be able to make it. I'm not saying there are more Maemo
users/devs/whatever in the US, or even that the numbers are equal; I'm
only saying the only way I can see Europeans not being an
"overwhelming proportion" would be if the US-based proportion was so
large this question would not even be discussed.

Obviously we each have our biases (I'm American, in case you couldn't
guess, and would like it to be here), but I do think the notion of
having the summit in the US 1 in 2 years, 1 in 3, or some such, seems
proportional and useful. Once we have one in the US, there would at
least be more attendance data to compare, which could help determine
the appropriate duty cycle.

> > 2. The place
> >
> > I think it's important to find a place like C-base for the next Maemo
> > summit. We are an open community and a place like that is very
> > comfortable and interesting for us geeks, developers and Maemo fans.
>
> C-Base was great, finding an equally good site will be tough; a job that
> I wouldn't like to undertake.
>
> > 3. Contents
> >
> > What should a summit offer to community? We should encourage knowledge
> > exchange in every kind of way: organizing small conferences and a lot
> > of light talks (they were one of the most interesting things in the
> > summit), create little groups of discussion (for example, 10-15 people
> > choose a subject and meet in a room to discuss it directly) ecc... and
> > the most important thing: we should ask the community what they expect
> > to find in a summit.
>
> I expect a lot of the talks will be centered around Fremantle but
> obviously there will be a need for small BOF's and talks on the
> peripheral components of Fremantle. I would like to see mix of these
> smaller groups with the larger, product announcements and Nokia produced
> talks. The format last time seemed to work well.
>
> > 5. When?
> >
> > When should we organize the summit? Before a big release (like
> > Freemantle), just after the final release or after some months of
> > development with it? I don't remember exactly when the final release of
> > Freemantle is scheduled for, but I think that next September would be
> > a nice period... what do you think about?
>
> I would prefer a 'before announcement' summit, one that is held a month
> or so before the official release. That way we get the excitement from
> the summit coverage generating product anticipation within the wider
> community and beyond.

I think it should either be some time (a month or so) after devices
hit shelves, or have a big announcement at the summit. Big
announcement ideas: maybe final SDK release, maybe even hand out the
early developer hardware to the early developers. Can't do that
probably; how do you hand brown-paper bags with top-secret hardware
out at a public conference and expect NDAs to be respected over drinks
that night? Maybe even the actual product launch, where "launch" means
bring your $500 or equivalent plastic and buy one at the Nokia shop
down the street (in Europe; since we don't have Nokia stores in the
US, they'd have to sell them out of the back of a truck) over lunch
break the first day? Better still, if hard to do, that, without
letting anyone know ahead of time:
<Some Nokia person doing a presentation about Fremantle, but demoing
it on the new hardware.>
Winding down at the end, maybe even _after_ questions: "Oh, and by the
way folks, there's 1000 of these in stock at the Nokia store down the
street."
<Masses of innocent civilians trampled to death in the ensuing rush.>

For a 'before announcement' summit, without any info dumped in the
summit, or new community-side experience with the new platform, I
don't see the point, and I also don't see much point to artificially
holding off any "official announcement" after the summit -- just dump
all information that's to be made public in one big event for maximum
impact, and to hype next year's summit...

But since I expect it will be in the Fall again, Fremantle and the
RX-51 should be well out by then. OTOH, maybe a Harmattan announcement
could be in the works, or maybe a new, different, Fremantle device...
>
> > 6. Live blogging
> >
> > I think it would be great if someone (at least 2-3 people) would blog,
> > post picture ecc... in real time while the summit is going on.
>
> There were a couple of us doing this last time, Ryan Paul, Thoughtfix,
> me among others. From looking at my website traffic from that week I see
> this as an important element of the summit.

I don't know, as I wasn't hanging out on #maemo last year, but I'd be
surprised if there wasn't a ton of IRC activity from the conference,
too. I'm working on getting irssi set up with nice coloring and such,
largely in anticipation of this. (Whether I'm attending or just
listening in...) Perhaps a list in the wiki of all the planned live
coverage would be helpful...

> > 7. Live streaming
> >
> > We could use something like ustream.tv or justin.tv to offer a live
> > audio/video streaming
> > of the summit (conferences, light talks ecc...). So people that cannot
> > join directly can
> > follow the summit from their home.
>
> I'm not so sure about live streaming. I usually prefer recorded talks
> that have had a little post-processing and polishing, crud removed and
> augmented with slides.

Well, I like the idea of live streaming, but between timezones,
work/school, and the technical difficulties, it doesn't always work
out, and proper live-stream coverage generally involves ad-hoc panning
or wide-angle to catch both the presenter and their slides, where good
footage for release would involve one or two cameras on the presenter,
and slide capture via a camera, video capture, or just getting a copy,
so it's a lot of work with little overlap. Perhaps the most useful
compromise: have it filmed with the intent of cooking clean
recordings, but with the raw video (and their slide files, as-is or
_maybe_ with simple format conversions, if slides aren't videoed)
bittorrented right after each talk, or at least nightly. (Then
processing could take a week or two before final release.) That should
involve almost no extra effort vs. making the clean recordings only,
but still allow non-attendees to keep up with the talks.

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Feb 9, 2009, 4:52 PM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

On Feb 9, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Benson Mitchell wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Jamie Bennett <jamie [at] linuxuk>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 17:56 +0100, Andrea Grandi wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Country and city
>>>
>>> Where is the Maemo community located? I mean: where do the most of
>>> people come from? Are there more american or european? I think
>>> this is
>>> an important factor to evaluate when they have to choose where to
>>> organize the summit.
>>
>> We had this discussion at the last summit and the consensus was
>> that an
>> overwhelming proportion of attendee's were based in Europe.
>
> I hope this wasn't a surprise; given that the conference is in Europe,
> and from what I understand of the affordability of traveling in
> Europe, I'd expect a far greater fraction of potential attendees from
> Europe would be able to make it. I'm not saying there are more Maemo
> users/devs/whatever in the US, or even that the numbers are equal; I'm
> only saying the only way I can see Europeans not being an
> "overwhelming proportion" would be if the US-based proportion was so
> large this question would not even be discussed.
>
> Obviously we each have our biases (I'm American, in case you couldn't
> guess, and would like it to be here), but I do think the notion of
> having the summit in the US 1 in 2 years, 1 in 3, or some such, seems
> proportional and useful. Once we have one in the US, there would at
> least be more attendance data to compare, which could help determine
> the appropriate duty cycle.

Very few people outside of Europe were offered subsidized travel (only
the "rockstars" as Quim put it) since travel between the rest of the
world and Europe is much more expensive than inter-Europe travel. Very
few people were subsidized and very few others could afford to pay
their own way, so _of course_ you'll see a significant number of
Europeans at a Europeans conference that is expensive and difficult
for non-Europeans to get to. ;)

I'm very much in agreement with Benson here, we need non-European
Summits every so often to keep things fair and have as large a portion
of the community as possible attend at least one. Now, is this the
year to have the Summit outside of Europe? I don't know, but I don't
think the option should be dismissed out of hand based on such suspect
statistics gathering. ;)

I think latching on to a large open source conference of some kind is
a good way to go. It increases our potential attendance both with
spillover from the main conference and increased incentive for Maemo-
people, it may also reduce costs for a lot of people if they're
already planning on travelling to the main conference.

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Feb 10, 2009, 12:31 AM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

Hi community,

I'll post my ideas and suggestions...

2009/2/9 Andrea Grandi <a.grandi [at] gmail>:
> 1. Country and city

What about Gijon[1] or Oviedo [2] in Spain?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gij%C3%B3n
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oviedo

Ok, ok, perhaps they are not the biggest cities in Spain, but the
regional opensource community is celebrating its 10th years and they
would help on everything. Since 2000 we have been spreading about
opensource in embedded devices, and lately about Maemo (even one of
our friends has reached a position in Maemo). We have also created a
community about "open mobile", and we are working on a Spanish Gnome
meeting (with some talks dedicated to Maemo too). So, I think that
Maemo Summit would be a "great end" for 2009.

Despite that, there are other organizations interested on managing and
supporting an event like this

> 2. The place

I am thinking about some options here:
- Gijon
* Laboral Art Centre and Industrial Creation:
http://www.laboralcentrodearte.org/

- Oviedo
* Congress Palace: http://www.palaciocongresos-oviedo.com

There are a lot of places more, but we have experience on both and
they are great for Maemo Summit.

> 3. Contents

I think that 2009 will be Fremantle year, so I expect a summit focused on:
- New technologies showcase (i.e., what can be done with clutter?)
- New hardware features

And I would add one or two roundtables to talk and discuss:
- What's next?
- What about past hardware? What about third party development?
- Would you like a Maemo App Store?

> 4. Sponsor

I think we could find some extra sponsors for this event on both
cities from private and public sector.

> 5. When?

September - October time frame

> 6. Live blogging

I think we should/could have:
- Two people for posting photos and briefing for each talk in a blog
(summit webpage?)
- On each talk there should be at least one person posting on
twitter/identi.ca/jaiku about what's happenning (creating a
microblogging chat), also linked to summit webpage
- specific IRC channel on Freenode, accessible from summit webpage
perhaps using mibbit (http://www.mibbit.com/)

> 7. Live streaming

I've been thinking about several solutions:
- Qik for live streaming from mobile phone (Nokia has already use it
on an event): http://qik.com/
- Fluendo technologies (i've seen a GUADEC some years ago using it)

> Come one people! Let's start working on the next summit! :)

Come on!!

Thanks and best regards,

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Feb 10, 2009, 1:59 AM

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Hi all,

I am sure there will be a lot of proposals for each of the points
Andrea posted in his first e-mail.

In the end, how do we choose the final one?

I would propose to create a main Wiki page with generic informations
about the Summit (more or less what Andrea wrote), for each of the
points create a sub-wiki page with proposals for each point.
For each proposal:

a) the proposed solution/venue/name
b) the rationale behind the proposal (a few lines of text)
c) the proposal author name
d) a way to comment the proposal
e) a list of people that would be available to handle this proposal
f) something else?

We should also come up with a deadline for the proposals so that we
can later decided among them.

Asap I'll try to create them myself, but if someone else has time to
do it, go ahead as I'll be quite busy at work today.

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Feb 10, 2009, 2:24 AM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

Thanks Andrea for kicking this off. Right after FOSDEM, the right time
for it.

Time to start consolidating info in a wiki page?

ext Andrea Grandi wrote:
> 5. When?

Having September 2008 as a reference, the default candidate is September
2009.

Elements that can affect these dates:

- Do we want to co-locate to another event? Which?
- Other events too close before/after?
- Announcements (you have to trust Maemo SW on this)

For instance, http://debconf.org/ is on July 16-31 which is too close to
http://grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ July 3-11.

Any interesting event happening in September/October? If so, let's
discuss. If not, let's think of good reasons for people to come.

> 1. Country and city

Related to the above. Near to an airport cheap to fly and possibilities
of decent accommodation prices.

I think this year Europe is still the default candidate to beat. There
seems to be a higher density of developers a good network of really
cheap flights giving many alternatives at a decent price and within 1-2h
flight range.

USA is only one county but this doesn't mean that it is easy for the
developers of one coast to go to the other coast and etc.

Another idea would be to combine a main event in Europe and in the same
weekend a parallel hackfest somewhere in SF and perhaps in other
'satellites', with some kind of lo-fi community interaction between sites.

> 2. The place

Depending again from the above.

Theater school + c-base set a precedent hard to beat. We should evolve
from that spirit. We expect more people, which will make things more
complex and informal venues more difficult to find.

It would be good to have a list of potential candidates with a local
support. The first maemo Summit would have been impossible without the
commitment of the c-base spacecraft crew.

> 3. Contents

Time and space for application developers + platform hackers + (very
important!) enthusiastic users & non-developers community contributors.

Actually most of the growth expected comes from potential Maemo fans ,
(old and new) attending to a meeting where there is cool stuff for them
as well.

> 4. Sponsor

I hope to get at least the same budget we had last year in order to have
an open conference with free registration, key contributors invited and,
if possible, basic logistics and merchandising also free of charge.

It would be good though if the community could somehow handle the budget
yourselves via Council or something, since this might help making and
(even more) efficient use of the money. It would also make things more
easy and flexible for booking cheap transport and accommodation, expense
claims, etc.

This also would bring more paperwork to the Council or the organizers of
the event, but this is known business for event organizers and at the
end it might be worth paying some money to an accountant that will help
squeeze more from the same budget.

Tero and myself have to check this though, since we can't just take the
money and put it in somebody's hands.

> 6. Live blogging
> 7. Live streaming

Very important, but the above needs to be fixed first.

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Feb 10, 2009, 3:04 AM

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Re: Organizing Maemo Summit 2009 [In reply to]

Wiki page working: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009

Try and edit it,

2009/2/10 Quim Gil <quim.gil [at] nokia>:
> Thanks Andrea for kicking this off. Right after FOSDEM, the right time
> for it.
>
> Time to start consolidating info in a wiki page?
>
>
> ext Andrea Grandi wrote:
>> 5. When?
>
> Having September 2008 as a reference, the default candidate is September
> 2009.
>
> Elements that can affect these dates:
>
> - Do we want to co-locate to another event? Which?
> - Other events too close before/after?
> - Announcements (you have to trust Maemo SW on this)
>
> For instance, http://debconf.org/ is on July 16-31 which is too close to
> http://grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ July 3-11.
>
> Any interesting event happening in September/October? If so, let's
> discuss. If not, let's think of good reasons for people to come.
>
>
>> 1. Country and city
>
> Related to the above. Near to an airport cheap to fly and possibilities
> of decent accommodation prices.
>
> I think this year Europe is still the default candidate to beat. There
> seems to be a higher density of developers a good network of really
> cheap flights giving many alternatives at a decent price and within 1-2h
> flight range.
>
> USA is only one county but this doesn't mean that it is easy for the
> developers of one coast to go to the other coast and etc.
>
> Another idea would be to combine a main event in Europe and in the same
> weekend a parallel hackfest somewhere in SF and perhaps in other
> 'satellites', with some kind of lo-fi community interaction between sites.
>
>
>> 2. The place
>
> Depending again from the above.
>
> Theater school + c-base set a precedent hard to beat. We should evolve
> from that spirit. We expect more people, which will make things more
> complex and informal venues more difficult to find.
>
> It would be good to have a list of potential candidates with a local
> support. The first maemo Summit would have been impossible without the
> commitment of the c-base spacecraft crew.
>
>> 3. Contents
>
> Time and space for application developers + platform hackers + (very
> important!) enthusiastic users & non-developers community contributors.
>
> Actually most of the growth expected comes from potential Maemo fans ,
> (old and new) attending to a meeting where there is cool stuff for them
> as well.
>
>> 4. Sponsor
>
> I hope to get at least the same budget we had last year in order to have
> an open conference with free registration, key contributors invited and,
> if possible, basic logistics and merchandising also free of charge.
>
> It would be good though if the community could somehow handle the budget
> yourselves via Council or something, since this might help making and
> (even more) efficient use of the money. It would also make things more
> easy and flexible for booking cheap transport and accommodation, expense
> claims, etc.
>
> This also would bring more paperwork to the Council or the organizers of
> the event, but this is known business for event organizers and at the
> end it might be worth paying some money to an accountant that will help
> squeeze more from the same budget.
>
> Tero and myself have to check this though, since we can't just take the
> money and put it in somebody's hands.
>
>
>> 6. Live blogging
>> 7. Live streaming
>
> Very important, but the above needs to be fixed first.
>
> --
> Quim Gil
> open source advocate
> Maemo Software @ Nokia
> _______________________________________________
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>

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Feb 10, 2009, 3:12 AM

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Thank you Jose.

2009/2/10 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente <jsmanrique [at] gmail>:
> Wiki page working: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009
>
> Try and edit it,
>
> 2009/2/10 Quim Gil <quim.gil [at] nokia>:
>> Thanks Andrea for kicking this off. Right after FOSDEM, the right time
>> for it.
>>
>> Time to start consolidating info in a wiki page?
>>
>>
>> ext Andrea Grandi wrote:
>>> 5. When?
>>
>> Having September 2008 as a reference, the default candidate is September
>> 2009.
>>
>> Elements that can affect these dates:
>>
>> - Do we want to co-locate to another event? Which?
>> - Other events too close before/after?
>> - Announcements (you have to trust Maemo SW on this)
>>
>> For instance, http://debconf.org/ is on July 16-31 which is too close to
>> http://grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ July 3-11.
>>
>> Any interesting event happening in September/October? If so, let's
>> discuss. If not, let's think of good reasons for people to come.
>>
>>
>>> 1. Country and city
>>
>> Related to the above. Near to an airport cheap to fly and possibilities
>> of decent accommodation prices.
>>
>> I think this year Europe is still the default candidate to beat. There
>> seems to be a higher density of developers a good network of really
>> cheap flights giving many alternatives at a decent price and within 1-2h
>> flight range.
>>
>> USA is only one county but this doesn't mean that it is easy for the
>> developers of one coast to go to the other coast and etc.
>>
>> Another idea would be to combine a main event in Europe and in the same
>> weekend a parallel hackfest somewhere in SF and perhaps in other
>> 'satellites', with some kind of lo-fi community interaction between sites.
>>
>>
>>> 2. The place
>>
>> Depending again from the above.
>>
>> Theater school + c-base set a precedent hard to beat. We should evolve
>> from that spirit. We expect more people, which will make things more
>> complex and informal venues more difficult to find.
>>
>> It would be good to have a list of potential candidates with a local
>> support. The first maemo Summit would have been impossible without the
>> commitment of the c-base spacecraft crew.
>>
>>> 3. Contents
>>
>> Time and space for application developers + platform hackers + (very
>> important!) enthusiastic users & non-developers community contributors.
>>
>> Actually most of the growth expected comes from potential Maemo fans ,
>> (old and new) attending to a meeting where there is cool stuff for them
>> as well.
>>
>>> 4. Sponsor
>>
>> I hope to get at least the same budget we had last year in order to have
>> an open conference with free registration, key contributors invited and,
>> if possible, basic logistics and merchandising also free of charge.
>>
>> It would be good though if the community could somehow handle the budget
>> yourselves via Council or something, since this might help making and
>> (even more) efficient use of the money. It would also make things more
>> easy and flexible for booking cheap transport and accommodation, expense
>> claims, etc.
>>
>> This also would bring more paperwork to the Council or the organizers of
>> the event, but this is known business for event organizers and at the
>> end it might be worth paying some money to an accountant that will help
>> squeeze more from the same budget.
>>
>> Tero and myself have to check this though, since we can't just take the
>> money and put it in somebody's hands.
>>
>>
>>> 6. Live blogging
>>> 7. Live streaming
>>
>> Very important, but the above needs to be fixed first.
>>
>> --
>> Quim Gil
>> open source advocate
>> Maemo Software @ Nokia
>> _______________________________________________
>> maemo-community mailing list
>> maemo-community [at] maemo
>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.jsmanrique.es
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Feb 10, 2009, 5:25 AM

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
<jsmanrique [at] gmail> wrote:
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gij%C3%B3n
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oviedo

Could we at least try to hit a place with international airports? I
travel quite a bit, but I'm not prepared to spend more than 4 hours
getting to a destination within Europe. I concur that Spain would be a
very nice place, but please, within 30 minutes / 1 hour train distance
of an internation airport. Barcelona, heck, even Girona. Madrid is
going to be a mess. There are a whole lot of places that would offer a
lot more interesting things than just "regional opensource support".
No offence.

I can reach Perpignan inside 2 hours, I can reach Kiev inside 4. Why
bother going through the hassle?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:24 PM, gary liquid <liquid [at] gmail> wrote:
> plenty of beer, wifi, power-outlets and bacon.
> berlin was strangely lacking in the latter.

I guess if we did it in your backgarden, there'd be bacon trees ready
to serve an army.

> would like to have a smaller less formal meetup within the country fairly
> soon to discuss development.

Works for me.

On a more serious note, I would love to see this work nicely, Berlin
was a success for many, let's try to keep it going that way.

My 2c:

"Rotation" of cities is fine. Though, it is not necessary. HOPE has
been organised in the same hotel for ages, nothing wrong with that.
The main advantage of going to the same place, is that it allows for
easier travel, easier planning. Sure, I know we'd all love to have an
excuse for a spot of tourism, but still. Simple isn't necessarily bad.
If on the other we agree that we want to switch cities each year (we
might want to think about making this event only happen every 2 years,
btw? Just a thought), I think we should try to define a list of
"necessities" the city should provide: Easy travel, easy lodging, easy
food. It's pretty much common sense, but it's harder than you might
think (exhibit A previously in this thread). Maybe in a few years, we
might want to be more adventurous, but I'd really like to see "ease"
being the keyword.

Big cities are more expensive than rural places, obviously, but then
again, they are also a helluva lot easier to get access to. Money
you'll spend during your trip will be easily saved in travel time. If
you don't care about travel time, well, sorry, but I think most of us
here are pretty much very busy. Like I said, I don't want to spend a
whole morning/afternoon traveling. I'd much rather pay double the
price during my stay and have an extra day on the trip than having to
sacrifice it.

I think a big city like London is pretty much out of the question. Not
only is lodging extremely expensive (unless you're couchsurfing),
finding a place to actually hold the conference is going to be a pain
in the bum, and is going to suck every last penny out of Nokia's
funding. I think b-cities are a lot more likely to be a successful
conference host. Manchester (plus our little gary just needs to walk
out his back yard) has a very well serviced international airport.
Copenhagen, Milan, Barcelona, Geneva, Ibiza :-* , Hamburg (if you're
not sick of ze Germans yet), hell, we could even go and squat ze
French; Grenoble or Lyon, for instance.

One last point, is that having an inside man is quite crucial. We will
-- and I honestly believe this -- need someone with decent local
knowledge, who will also be able to fulfil quite a lot of transactions
(search for hotels, negotiate with hotels to get better deals, etc).
Don't forget actually hosting such an event in a hotel could be quite
easy, and not that expensive (as long as you make 'em believe we're
all bloody rich and will be using tons of room service).

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Feb 10, 2009, 5:25 AM

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Hi,

Quim Gil wrote:
> Any interesting event happening in September/October? If so, let's
> discuss. If not, let's think of good reasons for people to come.

OSiM World is in Amsterdam, from September 15th to September 18th
(tentatively).

LinuxCon is in Portland, Oregon, from Sept 21st to Sept 23th.

I am not aware of any other Maemo-related conferences which might be on
at that time (yet).

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Feb 10, 2009, 5:37 AM

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On Tuesday 10 February 2009 10:24:34 Quim Gil wrote:
> Any interesting event happening in September/October? If so, let's
> discuss. If not, let's think of good reasons for people to come.

SofNet, Paris, 7-9 Sept.
WiMAX World, Chicago, 13-15 Sept.
OSiM, Amsterdam, 15-16 Sept.
Mobile Broadband, Amsterdam, Sept [To Be Confirmed]

One to avoid clashing with:

ITU Telecom, Geneva, 5-9 October

> > 1. Country and city
>
> Related to the above. Near to an airport cheap to fly and possibilities
> of decent accommodation prices.

Also, maybe, not too large? Tends to keep prices down (unless accommodation
is particularly short). How about a university city, rather than a capital
city? Paris, London, Rome -- all too expensive.

Amsterdam is not too large (and has a centrally located university) but it is
always full of tourists, which probably puts prices up a bit. How about
somewhere else in Holland, within (say) 1 hour's train ride from Amsterdam
and then combining with OSiM again?

> Another idea would be to combine a main event in Europe and in the same
> weekend a parallel hackfest somewhere in SF and perhaps in other
> 'satellites', with some kind of lo-fi community interaction between sites.

Shame Nokia doesn't seem too keen on WiMAX any more -- could have held a Forum
Nokia event around WiMAX World!

> Theater school + c-base set a precedent hard to beat. We should evolve
> from that spirit. We expect more people, which will make things more
> complex and informal venues more difficult to find.

Maybe a university? Might not work with timing (start of the academic year in
many places, and universities tend to get booked up early for events during
the summer months).

Or a research labs campus for a telco or an electronics company (Nokia
partner, obviously, not a competitor -- Siemens?). Has the advantage that it
may have lecture rooms and high tech facilities and be empty at weekends?

Graham
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Feb 10, 2009, 5:45 AM

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil [at] nokia> wrote:
> I think this year Europe is still the default candidate to beat.

fwiw, I don't disagree on the choice of locations. However, I do
disagree on the described logic for choosing it.

> There
> seems to be a higher density of developers a good network of really
> cheap flights giving many alternatives at a decent price and within 1-2h
> flight range.

i'm not really sure about this.
It depends on what you're actually calculating.

I can get a much cheaper flight across the continental US than i can
from Finland to anywhere in continental Europe.

I've been doing this for three years now.

> USA is only one county but this doesn't mean that it is easy for the
> developers of one coast to go to the other coast and etc.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enFI291FI307&q=fly+was+to+sfo+9/14+to+9/18&btnG=Search
click a travel engine link. The result is 200 USD. (Even if you add in
50 USD taxes, this doesn't significantly affect the calculations
below.)

I average 300 EUR for flights to Continental Europe. For simplicity,
assume an exchange of 1 EUR = 1 USD. Conclude that I'm paying 50% more
for my flight to Brussels than I would to fly across the Continental
US. [.For people who aren't familiar w/ currencies, the EUR tends to
cost 1.25 to 1.5x that of the USD, which means I'm paying closer to 2x
as much.]

FWIW, average minimum flight time is about 3hrs from Helsinki to just
about anywhere. Crossing the continental US is 5 1/2 hrs min
Flying from HEL to BCN for the same dates listed above yields a 330
USD ticket (taxes excluded), on a 4 hour flight, this is fairly close
to a continental (Europe) crossing.

Yes, I'm aware most of the European audience is more centrally located than HEL.

Yes, I'm an expat.; yes, I'd love for Nokia to pay for me to fly home
sometime; but no, I don't think 2009 is a good year for anyone to ask
their employer to send a large cadre of people across the pond.

> Another idea would be to combine a main event in Europe and in the same
> weekend a parallel hackfest somewhere in SF and perhaps in other
> 'satellites', with some kind of lo-fi community interaction between sites.

this could be interesting.

personally, I'd suggest going w/ the Mac World model.

Sep '09 in Europe, and spring '10 in the new world.
Note: Canada is included as a possible location (and Mexico or Latin
America aren't explicitly excluded)

fwiw, the place Mozilla used for Moz Camp Barcelona was nice (CitiLab),
https://wiki.mozilla.org/EU_MozCamp_2008

And yes, I know some people (hi Quim ;-) are partial to Spain.
Personally, I've already been west and am looking forward to traveling
North and East.
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Feb 10, 2009, 6:09 AM

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Am Montag, den 09.02.2009, 17:56 +0100 schrieb Andrea Grandi:
> 1. Country and city

I wonder whether it's also worth to consider how hard it is to enter
certain countries. Efforts required for getting a visum are obviously
higher if you personally need to visit an embassy before.
I personally haven't had to deal with this yet so this might be
considered FUD, but I know some friends' stories.

(And I personally don't feel happy with giving my fingerprints to any
government to be allowed to enter its country, but I'll probably have to
learn accepting what kind of world I'm living in. This part is not worth
discussing in this thread as it's just my POV about privacy.)

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Feb 10, 2009, 6:45 AM

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper [at] openismus> wrote:
> I wonder whether it's also worth to consider how hard it is to enter
> certain countries.

fwiw, I believe that Mozilla chose Canada (instead of the US) for the
last Firefox Summit partially for this reason.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2008

Although, it might have been because we wanted to see the bears, be
trapped in the great wilderness by a rock slide, lose power because
our hotel's transformer was attacked by a truck and need to take an 8
hour bus ride to escape. All of which was great fun.
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Feb 10, 2009, 12:39 PM

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Hi,

> The where depends on a number of factors.
> I wouldn't go for which country has got more attendees.
> This would work once, but then ?
>
> We should probably just "rotate".
> Let's come up with a list of possible candidates and then we choose
> how to rotate ?

we should choose from countries that are easy to reach and that offer
a good place like c-base

> Is Nokia going to sponsor again ?

yes, it is

> I would go for right after the Fremantle release.
> Or, if Nokia would like to use the Maemo Summit as the place for the
> announcement, that would be a great time.

we cannot know when Nokia is going to announce something... we have to
organize it anyway... of course we hope Freemantle will be released
before september 2009.

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Feb 10, 2009, 12:40 PM

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> Live streaming has usually been disappointing in my experience. Nobody
> is prepared to test how well it scales until the conference starts and
> then it's too late :)

I think we should offer both things: recorded sessions, to see
everytime we want and live streaming.

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Feb 10, 2009, 12:43 PM

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Hi,

2009/2/9 gary liquid <liquid [at] gmail>:
> key dependencies to any summit:
> plenty of beer, wifi, power-outlets and bacon.
> berlin was strangely lacking in the latter.
> would like to have a smaller less formal meetup within the country fairly
> soon to discuss development.

I don't understand, sorry... what was wrong with Berlin?

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