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May 17, 2011, 5:28 AM

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[Report] Apache Lucene

=== Lucene Status Report: May 2011 ===

Background: Lucene has been asked by the Board to report on the state
of the community vis-a-vis the problems around the recent
commit/revert incident
(https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-2272 and the related
Lucene issue as well as several other mail threads)

The primary root of these problems arose from a disagreement about how
best to move forward with the two products the Lucene PMC ships:
Apache Lucene and Apache Solr. A majority of the PMC/committership is
in favor of a more modular approach to Solr which essentially means
refactoring code that has lived in Solr for a long time into modules
that can be more easily consumed at the Java API level (as opposed to
the Solr REST API level.) Others have resisted these changes,
sometimes for technical reasons and sometimes for what appear to be
business/political reasons. Still others have a view that they should
be taken on a case by case basis. These people are not against the
refactoring, but don't think is absolutely necessary that it must be
done in order to make other contributions to that particular code
base. After long debate, we seem to have arrived at a consensus that
those who wish to do the refactoring should go ahead with it, but it
shouldn't require others to stop working in the areas that are of
refactoring interest. For the record, the business/political
reasoning has been clearly repudiated by the rest of the PMC.

Other concerns have arisen about the use of IRC such that we have
started to use a logging client for IRC. We have also reminded
everyone to keep all decisions on list and to allow proposed decisions
to "bake" before committing, at least when it comes to major issues/changes.

Some in the community have also raised concerns about Lucid
Imagination's role in development. While Lucid does employ a good
number (but nowhere near the majority) of committers [1], (and which
is almost completely balanced by IBM's presence) the general consensus
seems to be that it is not a concern. Furthermore, during the recent
debates, it is quite clear that Lucid employees are free to have
independent viewpoints on what to do. Naturally, given a number of
committers in one company, it warrants the PMC keeping a watchful eye on
it. Likewise, however, it should also be clear that every
PMC/committer involved in Lucene (with the exception of Andi Vajda) is
paid to work on Lucene/Solr and they all have financial interests and
are often in competition for the same clients.
All should recognize that this doesn't necessarily make for problems,
but can do so if people let it.

Beyond this, we have put forth a few other things that we can do to
help keep the community moving forward in a positive way. These are
itemized below:

1. Obviously, with projects as big and widely used as Lucene and Solr,
it is hard to sometimes keep up with all the contributions that come
in. Thus, we need to find a way to automate (similar to Hadoop's
patch checker) the basics of patch checking like having unit tests,
formatting, etc. such that contributors can get feedback sooner and so
that committers know that a patch is ready for review, thereby making
it easier to accept contributions and, hopefully, encourage newcomers.
We also need to more consistently promote contributors to committers
and committers to the PMC. As with most of the ASF, our current
approach is dependent on remembering to make a nomination and we
should look for better ways to identify candidates (such a reporting
mechanism would likely benefit all the ASF, actually.)

2. We have added three new PMC Members: Doron Cohen, Shai Erera, Steve
Rowe

3. The Board should expect a resolution to change
the PMC Chair for the June Board Meeting. We also plan on changing
the chair on a yearly basis.

4. Thanks to Greg's intervention, we all have been reminded as to
proper etiquette when it comes to commits/reverts such that the main
symptom of this disagreement should not happen again.

5. To some extent, we feel this has been overblown and many of us have
come to the conclusion that the simplest way to move forward is to get
back to writing code and improving Lucene and Solr and getting
releases out. This is not intended to paper over the concerns, but
to note that the whole point of the project is to deliver open source
search software via the ASF guidelines. To that end, we are working on
releasing 3.2 of Lucene
and Solr as well as continuing development on 4.0.

[1] Current PMC Members/Committers and their employers

* means PMC
Bill Au (billa@...) -- CBS Interactive
* Michael Busch (buschmi@...) -- Twitter
* Doron Cohen (doronc@...) -- IBM
* Shai Erera (shaie@...) -- IBM
* Otis Gospodnetic (otis@...) -- Sematext
* Erik Hatcher (ehatcher@...) -- Lucid
* Chris Hostetter (hossman@...) -- Lucid
* Grant Ingersoll (gsingers@...) -- Lucid
* Mike McCandless (mikemccand@...) -- IBM
* Ryan McKinley (ryan@...) -- Voyager GIS (Lucid advisor)
* Mark Miller (markrmiller@...) -- Lucid
* Robert Muir (rmuir@...) -- Lucid (recent)
Noble Paul (noble@...) -- AOL
* Steven Rowe (sarowe@...) -- Syracuse Univ.
* Uwe Schindler (uschindler@...) -- SD Data Solutions
Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalin@...) -- AOL
* Yonik Seeley (yonik@...) -- Lucid
* Koji Sekiguchi (koji@...) -- Rondhuit
Dawid Weiss (dweiss@...) -- CarrotSearch
Stanislaw Osinski -- CarrotSearch
* Simon Willnauer (simonw@...) -- JTeam/Independent
Chris Male (chrism@...) -- JTeam
Andi Vajda (vajda@...) -- Google
*Scott Ganyo -- Actor
* Mark Harwood -- Detica
Adriano Crestani -- IBM

itamar at code972

Dec 13, 2011, 12:39 PM

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Re: [Report] Apache Lucene [In reply to]

Simon,

The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months back
I did some work falling under the scope of that project, but no one ever
responded to various posts on the topic.

Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?

Itamar.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <simonw [at] apache> wrote:

> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ===
>
> TLP
>
>
> Trademarks:
> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
>
> * Project Naming And Descriptions :
> We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
> * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
> www.apache.org included.
> Likely complete, but under review.
> * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
> footers, etc.
> The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
> * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
> site In progress. Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
> We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
> so it is slower than we'd like
> * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
> Done
> * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
> need to be re-evaluated.
>
>
> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
>
> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
>
> Open Relevance Project
>
> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
> learning approaches. The community is not very active, but
> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
> area.
>
> PyLucene
>
> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java. Development is
> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
>
> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
>
>

gsingers at apache

Dec 14, 2011, 6:00 AM

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Re: [Report] Apache Lucene [In reply to]

On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:

> Simon,
>
> The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months back
> I did some work falling under the scope of that project,

Just to be clear, no donation was ever made. You did some work that you put up under your own server, etc. I personally didn't see it as something you were donating. If that's not the case, please put up a patch.

> but no one ever
> responded to various posts on the topic.
>
> Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?

In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs to actually do the work in the project to put together the collections, etc. The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into Lucene's benchmark capabilities.

>
> Itamar.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <simonw [at] apache> wrote:
>
>> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ===
>>
>> TLP
>>
>>
>> Trademarks:
>> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
>> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
>>
>> * Project Naming And Descriptions :
>> We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
>> * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
>> www.apache.org included.
>> Likely complete, but under review.
>> * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
>> footers, etc.
>> The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
>> * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
>> site In progress. Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
>> We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
>> so it is slower than we'd like
>> * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
>> Done
>> * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
>> need to be re-evaluated.
>>
>>
>> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
>>
>> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
>> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
>> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
>> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
>>
>> Open Relevance Project
>>
>> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
>> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
>> learning approaches. The community is not very active, but
>> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
>> area.
>>
>> PyLucene
>>
>> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java. Development is
>> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
>> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
>> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
>>
>> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
>> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
>>
>>

--------------------------------------------
Grant Ingersoll
http://www.lucidimagination.com

itamar at code972

Dec 14, 2011, 2:13 PM

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Re: [Report] Apache Lucene [In reply to]

Grant,

No actual donation was made since no one ever responded to my messages. I
wanted to shape the Orev application up before submitting it to the
project, so I asked for your and others' help. Unfortunately I never got
even a single response.

All sources were already released under the ASL back then:
https://github.com/synhershko/Orev

I set it up on my personal server and emailed a few of you with a link to
an early access, so we can test it and perfect it, without requiring you to
install anything anywhere.

I will not go into the trouble of making a patch when clearly there's no
interest in this project. Hence my reply to Simon's report.

I honestly think this could be a great project to advance open TR and
Lucene, and we already have sort of a roadmap, but unless there's any
interest we won't get anywhere...

Itamar.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gsingers [at] apache>wrote:

>
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
>
> > Simon,
> >
> > The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months
> back
> > I did some work falling under the scope of that project,
>
> Just to be clear, no donation was ever made. You did some work that you
> put up under your own server, etc. I personally didn't see it as something
> you were donating. If that's not the case, please put up a patch.
>
> > but no one ever
> > responded to various posts on the topic.
> >
> > Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?
>
> In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs to
> actually do the work in the project to put together the collections, etc.
> The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into
> Lucene's benchmark capabilities.
>
>
> >
> > Itamar.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <simonw [at] apache>
> wrote:
> >
> >> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ===
> >>
> >> TLP
> >>
> >>
> >> Trademarks:
> >> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
> >> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
> >>
> >> * Project Naming And Descriptions :
> >> We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
> >> * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
> >> www.apache.org included.
> >> Likely complete, but under review.
> >> * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
> >> footers, etc.
> >> The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
> >> * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
> >> site In progress. Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
> >> We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
> >> so it is slower than we'd like
> >> * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
> >> Done
> >> * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
> >> need to be re-evaluated.
> >>
> >>
> >> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
> >>
> >> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
> >> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
> >> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
> >> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
> >>
> >> Open Relevance Project
> >>
> >> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
> >> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
> >> learning approaches. The community is not very active, but
> >> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
> >> area.
> >>
> >> PyLucene
> >>
> >> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java. Development is
> >> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
> >> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
> >> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
> >>
> >> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
> >> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
> >>
> >>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Grant Ingersoll
> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>
>
>
>

gsingers at apache

Dec 15, 2011, 6:06 AM

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Re: [Report] Apache Lucene [In reply to]

On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:

> Grant,
>
> No actual donation was made since no one ever responded to my messages. I
> wanted to shape the Orev application up before submitting it to the
> project, so I asked for your and others' help. Unfortunately I never got
> even a single response.
>
> All sources were already released under the ASL back then:
> https://github.com/synhershko/Orev

That's fine, but that is far different from a patch. For me, the timing was bad due to travel/work and then the email got buried and forgotten.

>
> I set it up on my personal server and emailed a few of you with a link to
> an early access, so we can test it and perfect it, without requiring you to
> install anything anywhere.
>
> I will not go into the trouble of making a patch when clearly there's no
> interest in this project. Hence my reply to Simon's report.

That's a chicken and egg problem. Most committers won't bother looking when there isn't a patch or something directly donated. Why expend the effort when the intentions are unclear? I should have communicated that back then. Nobody's fault, just some miscommunication.

That being said, I agree this project feels dead, even though I don't think any of us ever thought it would be a big project.

>
> I honestly think this could be a great project to advance open TR and
> Lucene, and we already have sort of a roadmap, but unless there's any
> interest we won't get anywhere...

Roadmap only gets us so far. We need people making real contributions to the project. I know I'm guilty of not being able to do it as I simply don't have the time. I think the project would be a great place for some digital library students and or IR researchers to come do work, but we need to get the word out to them that we are looking for help.

>
> Itamar.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gsingers [at] apache>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
>>
>>> Simon,
>>>
>>> The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months
>> back
>>> I did some work falling under the scope of that project,
>>
>> Just to be clear, no donation was ever made. You did some work that you
>> put up under your own server, etc. I personally didn't see it as something
>> you were donating. If that's not the case, please put up a patch.
>>
>>> but no one ever
>>> responded to various posts on the topic.
>>>
>>> Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?
>>
>> In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs to
>> actually do the work in the project to put together the collections, etc.
>> The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into
>> Lucene's benchmark capabilities.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Itamar.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <simonw [at] apache>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ===
>>>>
>>>> TLP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trademarks:
>>>> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
>>>> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
>>>>
>>>> * Project Naming And Descriptions :
>>>> We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
>>>> * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
>>>> www.apache.org included.
>>>> Likely complete, but under review.
>>>> * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
>>>> footers, etc.
>>>> The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
>>>> * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
>>>> site In progress. Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
>>>> We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
>>>> so it is slower than we'd like
>>>> * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
>>>> Done
>>>> * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
>>>> need to be re-evaluated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
>>>>
>>>> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
>>>> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
>>>> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
>>>> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
>>>>
>>>> Open Relevance Project
>>>>
>>>> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
>>>> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
>>>> learning approaches. The community is not very active, but
>>>> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
>>>> area.
>>>>
>>>> PyLucene
>>>>
>>>> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java. Development is
>>>> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
>>>> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
>>>> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
>>>>
>>>> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
>>>> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> Grant Ingersoll
>> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>>
>>
>>
>>

--------------------------------------------
Grant Ingersoll
http://www.lucidimagination.com

itamar at code972

Dec 16, 2011, 1:34 AM

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Re: [Report] Apache Lucene [In reply to]

Ok, so what's next?

I'll be using Orev to measure IR performance in HebMorph, so I will be
doing more work on it anyway. My hope was you IR champs are interested
enough in OR to chip in with commentary or advice so we can do it right.
Still hoping...

If you're saying putting this up as a patch will bring more attention I
will do that - but I'll probably need some guidance on that.

Itamar.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gsingers [at] apache>wrote:

>
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
>
> > Grant,
> >
> > No actual donation was made since no one ever responded to my messages. I
> > wanted to shape the Orev application up before submitting it to the
> > project, so I asked for your and others' help. Unfortunately I never got
> > even a single response.
> >
> > All sources were already released under the ASL back then:
> > https://github.com/synhershko/Orev
>
> That's fine, but that is far different from a patch. For me, the timing
> was bad due to travel/work and then the email got buried and forgotten.
>
> >
> > I set it up on my personal server and emailed a few of you with a link to
> > an early access, so we can test it and perfect it, without requiring you
> to
> > install anything anywhere.
> >
> > I will not go into the trouble of making a patch when clearly there's no
> > interest in this project. Hence my reply to Simon's report.
>
> That's a chicken and egg problem. Most committers won't bother looking
> when there isn't a patch or something directly donated. Why expend the
> effort when the intentions are unclear? I should have communicated that
> back then. Nobody's fault, just some miscommunication.
>
> That being said, I agree this project feels dead, even though I don't
> think any of us ever thought it would be a big project.
>
> >
> > I honestly think this could be a great project to advance open TR and
> > Lucene, and we already have sort of a roadmap, but unless there's any
> > interest we won't get anywhere...
>
> Roadmap only gets us so far. We need people making real contributions to
> the project. I know I'm guilty of not being able to do it as I simply
> don't have the time. I think the project would be a great place for some
> digital library students and or IR researchers to come do work, but we need
> to get the word out to them that we are looking for help.
>
>
> >
> > Itamar.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gsingers [at] apache
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
> >>
> >>> Simon,
> >>>
> >>> The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months
> >> back
> >>> I did some work falling under the scope of that project,
> >>
> >> Just to be clear, no donation was ever made. You did some work that you
> >> put up under your own server, etc. I personally didn't see it as
> something
> >> you were donating. If that's not the case, please put up a patch.
> >>
> >>> but no one ever
> >>> responded to various posts on the topic.
> >>>
> >>> Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?
> >>
> >> In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs
> to
> >> actually do the work in the project to put together the collections,
> etc.
> >> The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into
> >> Lucene's benchmark capabilities.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Itamar.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <simonw [at] apache>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ===
> >>>>
> >>>> TLP
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Trademarks:
> >>>> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report,
> but
> >>>> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
> >>>>
> >>>> * Project Naming And Descriptions :
> >>>> We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
> >>>> * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
> >>>> www.apache.org included.
> >>>> Likely complete, but under review.
> >>>> * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
> >>>> footers, etc.
> >>>> The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
> >>>> * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on
> your
> >>>> site In progress. Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
> >>>> We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
> >>>> so it is slower than we'd like
> >>>> * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
> >>>> Done
> >>>> * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
> >>>> need to be re-evaluated.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
> >>>>
> >>>> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
> >>>> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
> >>>> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
> >>>> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
> >>>>
> >>>> Open Relevance Project
> >>>>
> >>>> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
> >>>> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
> >>>> learning approaches. The community is not very active, but
> >>>> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
> >>>> area.
> >>>>
> >>>> PyLucene
> >>>>
> >>>> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java. Development is
> >>>> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
> >>>> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
> >>>> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
> >>>>
> >>>> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
> >>>> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is
> pending.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> Grant Ingersoll
> >> http://www.lucidimagination.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Grant Ingersoll
> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>
>
>
>

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