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samesun at yahoo

Aug 30, 1998, 1:07 AM

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I tried: problems!

Hello,

I do not own but have access to HW needed for Linux HA. I am familiar
with Digital clusters for NT and at present the system uses this only.
ie both servers and Shared HDD power on at same instance and boot's
NT. After that one primary cluster server takes control of HDD and on
second server the HDD goes off line.

I was trying to install Linux HA today. The HW is like:

2 * Intel PPro200MHz(Prioris HX6000) servers.
2 * Ethernet cards on every system
2 * SCSI Disk controllers on every system
One connected to local 2 GB HDD, CDRom.
Second connected to a 2GB disk on shared SCSI bus by differential Y
cable.(Actually this is a RAID array 310 box which contained 3*2GB HDD
utilized in RAID V, but to install Linux on servers I moved one HDD to
each server)

Now the problem is that I am unable to boot Linux with keeping shared
HDD box ON. I tried several combinations to boot/install linux and
they are like-

1. installed on local HDD(/dev/sdb2). since /dev/sda1 = Shared HDD no
matter what I try/edit configuration. Anyway this happens in NT
installation as well.
2. installed on shared HDD(/dev/sda1). when it comes lilo to boot the
system boots from local HDD and does not sees shared box at all. Even
though in lilo configuration during installation it asks for only two
things-first install lilo on MBR of /dev/sda1 & second is install lilo
files in /dev/sdb2. I tried both -but unsuccessful.

Please tell me what to do!


Amit Gupta



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dlang at diginsite

Aug 31, 1998, 6:24 AM

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are you trying to run linux from the shared or local drive?`

you may be able to swap the drive assignments by switching the slots of
your scsi controllers.

David Lang


On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Amit wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
>
> I do not own but have access to HW needed for Linux HA. I am familiar
> with Digital clusters for NT and at present the system uses this only.
> ie both servers and Shared HDD power on at same instance and boot's
> NT. After that one primary cluster server takes control of HDD and on
> second server the HDD goes off line.
>
> I was trying to install Linux HA today. The HW is like:
>
> 2 * Intel PPro200MHz(Prioris HX6000) servers.
> 2 * Ethernet cards on every system
> 2 * SCSI Disk controllers on every system
> One connected to local 2 GB HDD, CDRom.
> Second connected to a 2GB disk on shared SCSI bus by differential Y
> cable.(Actually this is a RAID array 310 box which contained 3*2GB HDD
> utilized in RAID V, but to install Linux on servers I moved one HDD to
> each server)
>
> Now the problem is that I am unable to boot Linux with keeping shared
> HDD box ON. I tried several combinations to boot/install linux and
> they are like-
>
> 1. installed on local HDD(/dev/sdb2). since /dev/sda1 = Shared HDD no
> matter what I try/edit configuration. Anyway this happens in NT
> installation as well.
> 2. installed on shared HDD(/dev/sda1). when it comes lilo to boot the
> system boots from local HDD and does not sees shared box at all. Even
> though in lilo configuration during installation it asks for only two
> things-first install lilo on MBR of /dev/sda1 & second is install lilo
> files in /dev/sdb2. I tried both -but unsuccessful.
>
> Please tell me what to do!
>
>
> Amit Gupta
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

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samesun at yahoo

Aug 31, 1998, 10:17 AM

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Hello,

I had installed Linux a no. of times on local as well as on shared
box. First I tried with :-

/dev/sda1 /user ext2 Shared disk.
/dev/sdb1 /c msdos Installable.
/dev/sdb2 / ext2 root.

lilo = tried both MBR on dev/sda1 and First sector of dev/sdb2.(no
success)

Next I tried to install on dev/sda1(with sdb present). No success
either. This sunday I am going to try dev/sda1 with no local HDD.

Note: In NT->disk administrator->Disk1=Shared box(now ext2:which is
unknown partition);Disk2=local HDD.

So I dought wither it will take local HDD as dev/sda.


Please tell me what to do !! Going to try again this sunday again!!

Thanks.

Amit Gupta.


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josh at ai

Aug 31, 1998, 10:58 AM

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what kind of RAID are you using? I didnt think that linux supported two
different machines attached to the same disk- I would image some sort of
way to lock out the other system would be needed in order to make sure it
doesnt start writing and trash your shared filesystem. I dont completely
understand what you are attempting to accomplish. How are you going to
tell each machine when it is ok to write to the shared disk? Are you
trying to share the / (root) filesystem as well? You might want to look
into just nfs-mounting /user for the time being.

Unexamined faith is ignorance.
Bye
Josh


On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Amit wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I had installed Linux a no. of times on local as well as on shared
> box. First I tried with :-
>
> /dev/sda1 /user ext2 Shared disk.
> /dev/sdb1 /c msdos Installable.
> /dev/sdb2 / ext2 root.
>
> lilo = tried both MBR on dev/sda1 and First sector of dev/sdb2.(no
> success)
>
> Next I tried to install on dev/sda1(with sdb present). No success
> either. This sunday I am going to try dev/sda1 with no local HDD.
>
> Note: In NT->disk administrator->Disk1=Shared box(now ext2:which is
> unknown partition);Disk2=local HDD.
>
> So I dought wither it will take local HDD as dev/sda.
>
>
> Please tell me what to do !! Going to try again this sunday again!!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amit Gupta.
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>


medi at CyberShell

Aug 31, 1998, 11:10 PM

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I tried: problems! [In reply to]

You might've covered this, but you know you can not have two initiators
on the same SCSI bus. I recall reading something about installing and
uninstalling the SCSI driver during take over.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medi Montaseri medi [at] CyberShell
Unix Distributed Systems Engineer HTTP://www.CyberShell.com
CyberShell Engineering
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, David Lang wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> are you trying to run linux from the shared or local drive?`
>
> you may be able to swap the drive assignments by switching the slots of
> your scsi controllers.
>
> David Lang
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Amit wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I do not own but have access to HW needed for Linux HA. I am familiar
> > with Digital clusters for NT and at present the system uses this only.
> > ie both servers and Shared HDD power on at same instance and boot's
> > NT. After that one primary cluster server takes control of HDD and on
> > second server the HDD goes off line.
> >
> > I was trying to install Linux HA today. The HW is like:
> >
> > 2 * Intel PPro200MHz(Prioris HX6000) servers.
> > 2 * Ethernet cards on every system
> > 2 * SCSI Disk controllers on every system
> > One connected to local 2 GB HDD, CDRom.
> > Second connected to a 2GB disk on shared SCSI bus by differential Y
> > cable.(Actually this is a RAID array 310 box which contained 3*2GB HDD
> > utilized in RAID V, but to install Linux on servers I moved one HDD to
> > each server)
> >
> > Now the problem is that I am unable to boot Linux with keeping shared
> > HDD box ON. I tried several combinations to boot/install linux and
> > they are like-
> >
> > 1. installed on local HDD(/dev/sdb2). since /dev/sda1 = Shared HDD no
> > matter what I try/edit configuration. Anyway this happens in NT
> > installation as well.
> > 2. installed on shared HDD(/dev/sda1). when it comes lilo to boot the
> > system boots from local HDD and does not sees shared box at all. Even
> > though in lilo configuration during installation it asks for only two
> > things-first install lilo on MBR of /dev/sda1 & second is install lilo
> > files in /dev/sdb2. I tried both -but unsuccessful.
> >
> > Please tell me what to do!
> >
> >
> > Amit Gupta
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > DO YOU YAHOO!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
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dlang at diginsite

Sep 2, 1998, 6:16 AM

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actually as long as they are on different scsi id's you should be able to,
shouldn't you?

David Lang


On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Medi Montaseri wrote:

>
> You might've covered this, but you know you can not have two initiators
> on the same SCSI bus. I recall reading something about installing and
> uninstalling the SCSI driver during take over.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Medi Montaseri medi [at] CyberShell
> Unix Distributed Systems Engineer HTTP://www.CyberShell.com
> CyberShell Engineering
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, David Lang wrote:
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> > are you trying to run linux from the shared or local drive?`
> >
> > you may be able to swap the drive assignments by switching the slots of
> > your scsi controllers.
> >
> > David Lang
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Amit wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I do not own but have access to HW needed for Linux HA. I am familiar
> > > with Digital clusters for NT and at present the system uses this only.
> > > ie both servers and Shared HDD power on at same instance and boot's
> > > NT. After that one primary cluster server takes control of HDD and on
> > > second server the HDD goes off line.
> > >
> > > I was trying to install Linux HA today. The HW is like:
> > >
> > > 2 * Intel PPro200MHz(Prioris HX6000) servers.
> > > 2 * Ethernet cards on every system
> > > 2 * SCSI Disk controllers on every system
> > > One connected to local 2 GB HDD, CDRom.
> > > Second connected to a 2GB disk on shared SCSI bus by differential Y
> > > cable.(Actually this is a RAID array 310 box which contained 3*2GB HDD
> > > utilized in RAID V, but to install Linux on servers I moved one HDD to
> > > each server)
> > >
> > > Now the problem is that I am unable to boot Linux with keeping shared
> > > HDD box ON. I tried several combinations to boot/install linux and
> > > they are like-
> > >
> > > 1. installed on local HDD(/dev/sdb2). since /dev/sda1 = Shared HDD no
> > > matter what I try/edit configuration. Anyway this happens in NT
> > > installation as well.
> > > 2. installed on shared HDD(/dev/sda1). when it comes lilo to boot the
> > > system boots from local HDD and does not sees shared box at all. Even
> > > though in lilo configuration during installation it asks for only two
> > > things-first install lilo on MBR of /dev/sda1 & second is install lilo
> > > files in /dev/sdb2. I tried both -but unsuccessful.
> > >
> > > Please tell me what to do!
> > >
> > >
> > > Amit Gupta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > DO YOU YAHOO!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
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josh at ai

Sep 2, 1998, 7:51 AM

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From what I understand, you can have two initiators talking on the same
bus to two seperate devices without any problems. With just one disk, a
problem arises that when one of the initiators puts a scsi reserve on the
disk, no one else can talk to it. Apparently, the surviving node would
have to send a scsi reset command to get rid of the scsi reserve and start
accessing the disk again. Im not sure if the linux scsi driver sends out
a scsi reset when it is loaded or if that is something that needs to be
added especially for HA.

Unexamined faith is ignorance.
Bye
Josh


On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, David Lang wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> actually as long as they are on different scsi id's you should be able to,
> shouldn't you?
>
> David Lang
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Medi Montaseri wrote:
>
> >
> > You might've covered this, but you know you can not have two initiators
> > on the same SCSI bus. I recall reading something about installing and
> > uninstalling the SCSI driver during take over.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Medi Montaseri medi [at] CyberShell
> > Unix Distributed Systems Engineer HTTP://www.CyberShell.com
> > CyberShell Engineering
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, David Lang wrote:
> >
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >
> > > are you trying to run linux from the shared or local drive?`
> > >
> > > you may be able to swap the drive assignments by switching the slots of
> > > your scsi controllers.
> > >
> > > David Lang
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Amit wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I do not own but have access to HW needed for Linux HA. I am familiar
> > > > with Digital clusters for NT and at present the system uses this only.
> > > > ie both servers and Shared HDD power on at same instance and boot's
> > > > NT. After that one primary cluster server takes control of HDD and on
> > > > second server the HDD goes off line.
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to install Linux HA today. The HW is like:
> > > >
> > > > 2 * Intel PPro200MHz(Prioris HX6000) servers.
> > > > 2 * Ethernet cards on every system
> > > > 2 * SCSI Disk controllers on every system
> > > > One connected to local 2 GB HDD, CDRom.
> > > > Second connected to a 2GB disk on shared SCSI bus by differential Y
> > > > cable.(Actually this is a RAID array 310 box which contained 3*2GB HDD
> > > > utilized in RAID V, but to install Linux on servers I moved one HDD to
> > > > each server)
> > > >
> > > > Now the problem is that I am unable to boot Linux with keeping shared
> > > > HDD box ON. I tried several combinations to boot/install linux and
> > > > they are like-
> > > >
> > > > 1. installed on local HDD(/dev/sdb2). since /dev/sda1 = Shared HDD no
> > > > matter what I try/edit configuration. Anyway this happens in NT
> > > > installation as well.
> > > > 2. installed on shared HDD(/dev/sda1). when it comes lilo to boot the
> > > > system boots from local HDD and does not sees shared box at all. Even
> > > > though in lilo configuration during installation it asks for only two
> > > > things-first install lilo on MBR of /dev/sda1 & second is install lilo
> > > > files in /dev/sdb2. I tried both -but unsuccessful.
> > > >
> > > > Please tell me what to do!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Amit Gupta
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _________________________________________________________
> > > > DO YOU YAHOO!?
> > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > > >
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medi at CyberShell

Sep 2, 1998, 3:32 PM

Post #8 of 9 (511 views)
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I tried: problems! [In reply to]

You could have two adapters on two uniqe IDs. This is only of of
the SCSI requirements. The other spec is that there shall not be
two initiators on the same bus. So as long as one of the cards
is not claiming to be initiator, all is well.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medi Montaseri medi [at] CyberShell
Unix Distributed Systems Engineer HTTP://www.CyberShell.com
CyberShell Engineering
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, David Lang wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> actually as long as they are on different scsi id's you should be able to,
> shouldn't you?
>
> David Lang
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Medi Montaseri wrote:
>
> >
> > You might've covered this, but you know you can not have two initiators
> > on the same SCSI bus. I recall reading something about installing and
> > uninstalling the SCSI driver during take over.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Medi Montaseri medi [at] CyberShell
> > Unix Distributed Systems Engineer HTTP://www.CyberShell.com
> > CyberShell Engineering
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, David Lang wrote:
> >
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >
> > > are you trying to run linux from the shared or local drive?`
> > >
> > > you may be able to swap the drive assignments by switching the slots of
> > > your scsi controllers.
> > >
> > > David Lang
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Amit wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I do not own but have access to HW needed for Linux HA. I am familiar
> > > > with Digital clusters for NT and at present the system uses this only.
> > > > ie both servers and Shared HDD power on at same instance and boot's
> > > > NT. After that one primary cluster server takes control of HDD and on
> > > > second server the HDD goes off line.
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to install Linux HA today. The HW is like:
> > > >
> > > > 2 * Intel PPro200MHz(Prioris HX6000) servers.
> > > > 2 * Ethernet cards on every system
> > > > 2 * SCSI Disk controllers on every system
> > > > One connected to local 2 GB HDD, CDRom.
> > > > Second connected to a 2GB disk on shared SCSI bus by differential Y
> > > > cable.(Actually this is a RAID array 310 box which contained 3*2GB HDD
> > > > utilized in RAID V, but to install Linux on servers I moved one HDD to
> > > > each server)
> > > >
> > > > Now the problem is that I am unable to boot Linux with keeping shared
> > > > HDD box ON. I tried several combinations to boot/install linux and
> > > > they are like-
> > > >
> > > > 1. installed on local HDD(/dev/sdb2). since /dev/sda1 = Shared HDD no
> > > > matter what I try/edit configuration. Anyway this happens in NT
> > > > installation as well.
> > > > 2. installed on shared HDD(/dev/sda1). when it comes lilo to boot the
> > > > system boots from local HDD and does not sees shared box at all. Even
> > > > though in lilo configuration during installation it asks for only two
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> > > > files in /dev/sdb2. I tried both -but unsuccessful.
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lnz at dandelion

Sep 2, 1998, 3:54 PM

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I tried: problems! [In reply to]

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:32:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Medi Montaseri <medi [at] CyberShell>

You could have two adapters on two uniqe IDs. This is only of of
the SCSI requirements. The other spec is that there shall not be
two initiators on the same bus. So as long as one of the cards
is not claiming to be initiator, all is well.

If the host adapters support it properly there is no reason you cannot have
multiple initiators on the same bus. The SCSI specification most definitely
does not prohibit multiple initiators.

Leonard

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