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andreas.kurz at linbit

Oct 2, 2008, 1:23 AM

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Order Constraint for: stop rscA only when rscB is running ?

Hi,

I have a Heartbeat 2.1.3 two-node cluster and I wonder if there is a way to
create constraints that work like that:

* Two resources (rscA and rscB) of class "heartbeat" that should run together
on one node .... simple advisory colocation constraint

<rsc_colocation id="rscA-colocated-with-rscB"
from="rscA" to="rscB"
score="1" symmetrical="true"/>

* When doing maintenance on one node I put the node into standby mode and want
rscA only stop and migrate away if rscB is already up and running on the
other node and vice versa because there must always run at least one of
these resources in the cluster.

I added two order_constraints and tested it with ptest on an adapted live cib
but they seem to produce a loop:

<rsc_order id="stop-rscA-only-after-rscB-start"
from="service_rscA" action="stop"
type="after"
to="service_rscB" to_action="start"
symmetrical="false" score="0"/>

<rsc_order id="stop-rscB-only-after-rscA-start"
from="service_rscB" action="stop"
type="after"
to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
symmetrical="false" score="0"/>

Is there a way to get the requested behavior or is a manual resource after
resource migration the only way to achieve this?

Regards,
Andreas

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beekhof at gmail

Oct 6, 2008, 6:36 AM

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Re: Order Constraint for: stop rscA only when rscB is running ? [In reply to]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:23, Andreas Kurz <andreas.kurz [at] linbit> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a Heartbeat 2.1.3 two-node cluster and I wonder if there is a way to
> create constraints that work like that:
>
> * Two resources (rscA and rscB) of class "heartbeat" that should run together
> on one node .... simple advisory colocation constraint
>
> <rsc_colocation id="rscA-colocated-with-rscB"
> from="rscA" to="rscB"
> score="1" symmetrical="true"/>
>
> * When doing maintenance on one node I put the node into standby mode and want
> rscA only stop and migrate away if rscB is already up and running on the
> other node and vice versa because there must always run at least one of
> these resources in the cluster.
>
> I added two order_constraints and tested it with ptest on an adapted live cib
> but they seem to produce a loop:

This is logical if you draw it out (and remember that Stop X always
precedes Start X)

Any reason not to just use the following?

<rsc_order id="always-start-A-after-B"
from="service_rscB" action="start"
type="before"
to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
symmetrical="true" score="0"/>

>
> <rsc_order id="stop-rscA-only-after-rscB-start"
> from="service_rscA" action="stop"
> type="after"
> to="service_rscB" to_action="start"
> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
>
> <rsc_order id="stop-rscB-only-after-rscA-start"
> from="service_rscB" action="stop"
> type="after"
> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
>
> Is there a way to get the requested behavior or is a manual resource after
> resource migration the only way to achieve this?
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
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andreas.kurz at linbit

Oct 9, 2008, 3:40 AM

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Re: Order Constraint for: stop rscA only when rscB is running ? [In reply to]

On Monday 06 October 2008 15:36:31 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:23, Andreas Kurz <andreas.kurz [at] linbit> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a Heartbeat 2.1.3 two-node cluster and I wonder if there is a way
> > to create constraints that work like that:
> >
> > * Two resources (rscA and rscB) of class "heartbeat" that should run
> > together on one node .... simple advisory colocation constraint
> >
> > <rsc_colocation id="rscA-colocated-with-rscB"
> > from="rscA" to="rscB"
> > score="1" symmetrical="true"/>
> >
> > * When doing maintenance on one node I put the node into standby mode and
> > want rscA only stop and migrate away if rscB is already up and running on
> > the other node and vice versa because there must always run at least one
> > of these resources in the cluster.
> >
> > I added two order_constraints and tested it with ptest on an adapted live
> > cib but they seem to produce a loop:
>
> This is logical if you draw it out (and remember that Stop X always
> precedes Start X)

Yes, I expected a loop and I had a slide hope there is some
cool "prevent-loops" logic available ;-)

>
> Any reason not to just use the following?
>
> <rsc_order id="always-start-A-after-B"
> from="service_rscB" action="start"
> type="before"
> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
> symmetrical="true" score="0"/>

The reason is that first rscA then rscB ist stopped ... so they are both down
before they are restarted in this order on the other node.

The idea is ... in case of a manual switchover of all services from nodeA to
nodeB during regular failover tests, rscA should be stopped on nodeA _after_
rscB is already _started_ on nodeB.

Regards,
Andreas

>
> > <rsc_order id="stop-rscA-only-after-rscB-start"
> > from="service_rscA" action="stop"
> > type="after"
> > to="service_rscB" to_action="start"
> > symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
> >
> > <rsc_order id="stop-rscB-only-after-rscA-start"
> > from="service_rscB" action="stop"
> > type="after"
> > to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
> > symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
> >
> > Is there a way to get the requested behavior or is a manual resource
> > after resource migration the only way to achieve this?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andreas
...

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beekhof at gmail

Oct 9, 2008, 4:58 AM

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Re: Order Constraint for: stop rscA only when rscB is running ? [In reply to]

On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Andreas Kurz wrote:

> On Monday 06 October 2008 15:36:31 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:23, Andreas Kurz
>> <andreas.kurz [at] linbit> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a Heartbeat 2.1.3 two-node cluster and I wonder if there is
>>> a way
>>> to create constraints that work like that:
>>>
>>> * Two resources (rscA and rscB) of class "heartbeat" that should run
>>> together on one node .... simple advisory colocation constraint
>>>
>>> <rsc_colocation id="rscA-colocated-with-rscB"
>>> from="rscA" to="rscB"
>>> score="1" symmetrical="true"/>
>>>
>>> * When doing maintenance on one node I put the node into standby
>>> mode and
>>> want rscA only stop and migrate away if rscB is already up and
>>> running on
>>> the other node and vice versa because there must always run at
>>> least one
>>> of these resources in the cluster.
>>>
>>> I added two order_constraints and tested it with ptest on an
>>> adapted live
>>> cib but they seem to produce a loop:
>>
>> This is logical if you draw it out (and remember that Stop X always
>> precedes Start X)
>
> Yes, I expected a loop and I had a slide hope there is some
> cool "prevent-loops" logic available ;-)

Possible in theory - but there is no way to know where the "right"
place to break the chain is.

>
>
>>
>> Any reason not to just use the following?
>>
>> <rsc_order id="always-start-A-after-B"
>> from="service_rscB" action="start"
>> type="before"
>> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
>> symmetrical="true" score="0"/>
>
> The reason is that first rscA then rscB ist stopped ... so they are
> both down
> before they are restarted in this order on the other node.
>
> The idea is ... in case of a manual switchover of all services from
> nodeA to
> nodeB during regular failover tests, rscA should be stopped on nodeA
> _after_
> rscB is already _started_ on nodeB.

But in normal operation rscB should start after rscA?

>
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
>>
>>> <rsc_order id="stop-rscA-only-after-rscB-start"
>>> from="service_rscA" action="stop"
>>> type="after"
>>> to="service_rscB" to_action="start"
>>> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
>>>
>>> <rsc_order id="stop-rscB-only-after-rscA-start"
>>> from="service_rscB" action="stop"
>>> type="after"
>>> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
>>> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
>>>
>>> Is there a way to get the requested behavior or is a manual resource
>>> after resource migration the only way to achieve this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andreas
> ...
>
> --
> : Andreas Kurz
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andreas.kurz at linbit

Oct 9, 2008, 6:55 AM

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Re: Order Constraint for: stop rscA only when rscB is running ? [In reply to]

On Thursday 09 October 2008 13:58:26 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Andreas Kurz wrote:
> > On Monday 06 October 2008 15:36:31 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:23, Andreas Kurz
> >>
> >> <andreas.kurz [at] linbit> wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have a Heartbeat 2.1.3 two-node cluster and I wonder if there is
> >>> a way
> >>> to create constraints that work like that:
> >>>
> >>> * Two resources (rscA and rscB) of class "heartbeat" that should run
> >>> together on one node .... simple advisory colocation constraint
> >>>
> >>> <rsc_colocation id="rscA-colocated-with-rscB"
> >>> from="rscA" to="rscB"
> >>> score="1" symmetrical="true"/>
> >>>
> >>> * When doing maintenance on one node I put the node into standby
> >>> mode and
> >>> want rscA only stop and migrate away if rscB is already up and
> >>> running on
> >>> the other node and vice versa because there must always run at
> >>> least one
> >>> of these resources in the cluster.
> >>>
> >>> I added two order_constraints and tested it with ptest on an
> >>> adapted live
> >>> cib but they seem to produce a loop:
> >>
> >> This is logical if you draw it out (and remember that Stop X always
> >> precedes Start X)
> >
> > Yes, I expected a loop and I had a slide hope there is some
> > cool "prevent-loops" logic available ;-)
>
> Possible in theory - but there is no way to know where the "right"
> place to break the chain is.

Maybe using the priority of the resources to break the chain?

>
> >> Any reason not to just use the following?
> >>
> >> <rsc_order id="always-start-A-after-B"
> >> from="service_rscB" action="start"
> >> type="before"
> >> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
> >> symmetrical="true" score="0"/>
> >
> > The reason is that first rscA then rscB ist stopped ... so they are
> > both down
> > before they are restarted in this order on the other node.
> >
> > The idea is ... in case of a manual switchover of all services from
> > nodeA to
> > nodeB during regular failover tests, rscA should be stopped on nodeA
> > _after_
> > rscB is already _started_ on nodeB.
>
> But in normal operation rscB should start after rscA?

This is not necessary, the should run together on one node in normal
operation, for a short period of time they can run on different nodes ... the
only realy demand is: keep at least one of these resources running

Regards,
Andreas

> >
> >>> <rsc_order id="stop-rscA-only-after-rscB-start"
> >>> from="service_rscA" action="stop"
> >>> type="after"
> >>> to="service_rscB" to_action="start"
> >>> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
> >>>
> >>> <rsc_order id="stop-rscB-only-after-rscA-start"
> >>> from="service_rscB" action="stop"
> >>> type="after"
> >>> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
> >>> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way to get the requested behavior or is a manual resource
> >>> after resource migration the only way to achieve this?
...

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beekhof at gmail

Oct 9, 2008, 7:43 AM

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Re: Order Constraint for: stop rscA only when rscB is running ? [In reply to]

On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Andreas Kurz wrote:

> On Thursday 09 October 2008 13:58:26 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
>> On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Andreas Kurz wrote:
>>> On Monday 06 October 2008 15:36:31 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:23, Andreas Kurz
>>>>
>>>> <andreas.kurz [at] linbit> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Heartbeat 2.1.3 two-node cluster and I wonder if there is
>>>>> a way
>>>>> to create constraints that work like that:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Two resources (rscA and rscB) of class "heartbeat" that should
>>>>> run
>>>>> together on one node .... simple advisory colocation constraint
>>>>>
>>>>> <rsc_colocation id="rscA-colocated-with-rscB"
>>>>> from="rscA" to="rscB"
>>>>> score="1" symmetrical="true"/>
>>>>>
>>>>> * When doing maintenance on one node I put the node into standby
>>>>> mode and
>>>>> want rscA only stop and migrate away if rscB is already up and
>>>>> running on
>>>>> the other node and vice versa because there must always run at
>>>>> least one
>>>>> of these resources in the cluster.
>>>>>
>>>>> I added two order_constraints and tested it with ptest on an
>>>>> adapted live
>>>>> cib but they seem to produce a loop:
>>>>
>>>> This is logical if you draw it out (and remember that Stop X always
>>>> precedes Start X)
>>>
>>> Yes, I expected a loop and I had a slide hope there is some
>>> cool "prevent-loops" logic available ;-)
>>
>> Possible in theory - but there is no way to know where the "right"
>> place to break the chain is.
>
> Maybe using the priority of the resources to break the chain?

Still wont help you, since every link in the chain is "required".

>>>> Any reason not to just use the following?
>>>>
>>>> <rsc_order id="always-start-A-after-B"
>>>> from="service_rscB" action="start"
>>>> type="before"
>>>> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
>>>> symmetrical="true" score="0"/>
>>>
>>> The reason is that first rscA then rscB ist stopped ... so they are
>>> both down
>>> before they are restarted in this order on the other node.
>>>
>>> The idea is ... in case of a manual switchover of all services from
>>> nodeA to
>>> nodeB during regular failover tests, rscA should be stopped on nodeA
>>> _after_
>>> rscB is already _started_ on nodeB.
>>
>> But in normal operation rscB should start after rscA?
>
> This is not necessary, the should run together on one node in normal
> operation, for a short period of time they can run on different
> nodes ... the
> only realy demand is: keep at least one of these resources running

>>>>> <rsc_order id="stop-rscA-only-after-rscB-start"
>>>>> from="service_rscA" action="stop"
>>>>> type="after"
>>>>> to="service_rscB" to_action="start"
>>>>> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>

Then just this constraint should work should it not?

If A and B are both restarting, then A will always wait for B to be
active.
If only A is restarting, then B will still be active.
If only B is restarting, then A will still be active.

If A and B are stopping, the constraint is ignored.
If A is stopping, and B remains (in)active, the constraint is ignored.
If B is stopping, and A remains (in)active, the constraint is ignored.

Did I miss something?


>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <rsc_order id="stop-rscB-only-after-rscA-start"
>>>>> from="service_rscB" action="stop"
>>>>> type="after"
>>>>> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
>>>>> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to get the requested behavior or is a manual
>>>>> resource
>>>>> after resource migration the only way to achieve this?
> ...
>
> --
> : Andreas Kurz
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Oct 13, 2008, 2:17 AM

Post #7 of 7 (1384 views)
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Re: Order Constraint for: stop rscA only when rscB is running ? [In reply to]

On Thursday 09 October 2008 16:43:05 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Andreas Kurz wrote:
> > On Thursday 09 October 2008 13:58:26 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
> >> On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Andreas Kurz wrote:
> >>> On Monday 06 October 2008 15:36:31 Andrew Beekhof wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:23, Andreas Kurz
> >>>>
> >>>> <andreas.kurz [at] linbit> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a Heartbeat 2.1.3 two-node cluster and I wonder if there is
> >>>>> a way
> >>>>> to create constraints that work like that:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Two resources (rscA and rscB) of class "heartbeat" that should
> >>>>> run
> >>>>> together on one node .... simple advisory colocation constraint
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <rsc_colocation id="rscA-colocated-with-rscB"
> >>>>> from="rscA" to="rscB"
> >>>>> score="1" symmetrical="true"/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * When doing maintenance on one node I put the node into standby
> >>>>> mode and
> >>>>> want rscA only stop and migrate away if rscB is already up and
> >>>>> running on
> >>>>> the other node and vice versa because there must always run at
> >>>>> least one
> >>>>> of these resources in the cluster.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I added two order_constraints and tested it with ptest on an
> >>>>> adapted live
> >>>>> cib but they seem to produce a loop:
> >>>>
> >>>> This is logical if you draw it out (and remember that Stop X always
> >>>> precedes Start X)
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I expected a loop and I had a slide hope there is some
> >>> cool "prevent-loops" logic available ;-)
> >>
> >> Possible in theory - but there is no way to know where the "right"
> >> place to break the chain is.
> >
> > Maybe using the priority of the resources to break the chain?
>
> Still wont help you, since every link in the chain is "required".

OK, I see ....

>
> >>>> Any reason not to just use the following?
> >>>>
> >>>> <rsc_order id="always-start-A-after-B"
> >>>> from="service_rscB" action="start"
> >>>> type="before"
> >>>> to="service_rscA" to_action="start"
> >>>> symmetrical="true" score="0"/>
> >>>
> >>> The reason is that first rscA then rscB ist stopped ... so they are
> >>> both down
> >>> before they are restarted in this order on the other node.
> >>>
> >>> The idea is ... in case of a manual switchover of all services from
> >>> nodeA to
> >>> nodeB during regular failover tests, rscA should be stopped on nodeA
> >>> _after_
> >>> rscB is already _started_ on nodeB.
> >>
> >> But in normal operation rscB should start after rscA?
> >
> > This is not necessary, the should run together on one node in normal
> > operation, for a short period of time they can run on different
> > nodes ... the
> > only realy demand is: keep at least one of these resources running
> >
> >>>>> <rsc_order id="stop-rscA-only-after-rscB-start"
> >>>>> from="service_rscA" action="stop"
> >>>>> type="after"
> >>>>> to="service_rscB" to_action="start"
> >>>>> symmetrical="false" score="0"/>
>
> Then just this constraint should work should it not?
>
> If A and B are both restarting, then A will always wait for B to be
> active.
> If only A is restarting, then B will still be active.
> If only B is restarting, then A will still be active.
>
> If A and B are stopping, the constraint is ignored.
> If A is stopping, and B remains (in)active, the constraint is ignored.
> If B is stopping, and A remains (in)active, the constraint is ignored.
>
> Did I miss something?

Tested it, worked as expected ;-) ... Thanks Andrew!

Regards,
Andreas

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