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[PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters.

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bryan.wu at analog

Aug 22, 2007, 7:55 AM

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[PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters.

Signed-off-by: Bryan Wu <bryan.wu [at] analog>
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MAINTAINERS | 30 +-----------------------------
1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 29 deletions(-)

diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index 371fe67..982e51a 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -717,35 +717,7 @@ M: rpurdie [at] rpsys
S: Maintained

BLACKFIN ARCHITECTURE
-P: Aubrey Li
-M: aubrey.li [at] analog
-P: Bernd Schmidt
-M: bernd.schmidt [at] analog
-P: Bryan Wu
-M: bryan.wu [at] analog
-P: Grace Pan
-M: grace.pan [at] analog
-P: Marc Hoffman
-M: marc.hoffman [at] analog
-P: Michael Hennerich
-M: michael.hennerich [at] analog
-P: Mike Frysinger
-M: michael.frysinger [at] analog
-P: Jerry Zeng
-M: jerry.zeng [at] analog
-P: Jie Zhang
-M: jie.zhang [at] analog
-P: Robin Getz
-M: robin.getz [at] analog
-P: Roy Huang
-M: roy.huang [at] analog
-P: Sonic Zhang
-M: sonic.zhang [at] analog
-P: Vivi Li
-M: vivi.li [at] analog
-P: Yi Li
-M: yi.li [at] analog
-L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin (subscribers-only)
+L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin
W: http://blackfin.uclinux.org
S: Supported

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joe at perches

Aug 22, 2007, 3:12 PM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 22:55 +0800, Bryan Wu wrote:
> Signed-off-by: Bryan Wu <bryan.wu [at] analog>

Perhaps this is better?

BLACKFIN ARCHITECTURE
P: Blackfin Architecture Team
M: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin
L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin
W: http://blackfin.uclinux.org
S: Supported
F: arch/blackfin/
F: include/asm-blackfin/

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bryan.wu at analog

Aug 22, 2007, 7:56 PM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 15:12 -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 22:55 +0800, Bryan Wu wrote:
> > Signed-off-by: Bryan Wu <bryan.wu [at] analog>
>
> Perhaps this is better?
>
> BLACKFIN ARCHITECTURE
> P: Blackfin Architecture Team
> M: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin
> L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin
> W: http://blackfin.uclinux.org
> S: Supported
> F: arch/blackfin/
> F: include/asm-blackfin/
>
>

Thanks, it is ok

Acked-by: Bryan Wu <bryan.wu [at] analog>
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mpm at selenic

Aug 23, 2007, 5:24 PM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:55:11PM +0800, Bryan Wu wrote:
> -L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin (subscribers-only)
> +L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin

Does your list generate a complaint message back to the sender if a
non-subscriber posts to it? If so, it qualifies as a subscribers-only
list.

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bryan.wu at analog

Aug 23, 2007, 9:04 PM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 19:24 -0500, Matt Mackall wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:55:11PM +0800, Bryan Wu wrote:
> > -L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin (subscribers-only)
> > +L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin
>
> Does your list generate a complaint message back to the sender if a
> non-subscriber posts to it? If so, it qualifies as a subscribers-only
> list.
>

As Mike said, "it is moderated which means you do not need to subscribe,
we will
forward any relevant messages"

Thanks
- Bryan Wu
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mpm at selenic

Aug 23, 2007, 9:56 PM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 12:04:47PM +0800, Bryan Wu wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 19:24 -0500, Matt Mackall wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:55:11PM +0800, Bryan Wu wrote:
> > > -L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin (subscribers-only)
> > > +L: uclinux-dist-devel [at] blackfin
> >
> > Does your list generate a complaint message back to the sender if a
> > non-subscriber posts to it? If so, it qualifies as a subscribers-only
> > list.
> >
>
> As Mike said, "it is moderated which means you do not need to subscribe,
> we will
> forward any relevant messages"

And as I said, "does your list generate a complaint message back to
the sender?" It's the moderation message that's the problem.

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alan at lxorguk

Aug 24, 2007, 2:09 AM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

> > As Mike said, "it is moderated which means you do not need to subscribe,
> > we will
> > forward any relevant messages"
>
> And as I said, "does your list generate a complaint message back to
> the sender?" It's the moderation message that's the problem.

It doesn't send a complaint, it sends a useful note that your message is
pending moderation.

The rest appears to be your personal issue Matt, perhaps caused by not
setting up smart enough mail filters ?
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mpm at selenic

Aug 24, 2007, 9:14 AM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 10:09:43AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > As Mike said, "it is moderated which means you do not need to subscribe,
> > > we will
> > > forward any relevant messages"
> >
> > And as I said, "does your list generate a complaint message back to
> > the sender?" It's the moderation message that's the problem.
>
> It doesn't send a complaint, it sends a useful note that your message is
> pending moderation.
>
> The rest appears to be your personal issue Matt, perhaps caused by not
> setting up smart enough mail filters ?

My observation is actually from the other side, Alan. I run a list
that used to send exactly such messages and got complaints from people
in this community about running a subscribers-only list. My natural
conclusion was that the messages were considered to be a problem.
Given that the moderation messages from Mailman actually mention
"subscribers-only", I can't blame non-subscribers for feeling
thwarted, frustrated, annoyed, or inconvenienced when they receive it.

Since I was already whitelisting legitimate posters, I simply turned
off the moderation messages back to the poster. Now the fact that the
list is moderated is completely transparent and no one gets any rude
automated messages.

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adi at hexapodia

Aug 24, 2007, 10:42 AM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 10:09:43AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > As Mike said, "it is moderated which means you do not need to subscribe,
> > > we will
> > > forward any relevant messages"
> >
> > And as I said, "does your list generate a complaint message back to
> > the sender?" It's the moderation message that's the problem.
>
> It doesn't send a complaint, it sends a useful note that your message is
> pending moderation.

It's another waste of space in my inbox due to poorly-implemented
software.

If their mailman installation uses a whitelist, so I get *one* message
per list rather than a bounce for every message I send, then that's
somewhat acceptable. If I get mailbombed just for participating in a
thread on lkml, that's definitely not acceptable (and I will remove such
lists from the Cc).

It would be vastly better if mailman were smart enough to autoapprove
threaded replies -- it's not as if the spammers are any more likely to
forge In-Reply-To: than From: (which they already do). Or even to not
waste my time by sending a "held for moderation" message until it's
processed by the listowner.

> The rest appears to be your personal issue Matt, perhaps caused by not
> setting up smart enough mail filters ?

Not sure what ad hominem attacks have to do with this situation. It's
not as if I can reasonably /dev/null all mailman gunk; if there's a real
exception condition, I want to see it.

-andy
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vapier.adi at gmail

Aug 24, 2007, 2:11 PM

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Re: [PATCH take #2] MAINTAINTERS: use our mail list as Blackfin arch maintainters. [In reply to]

On 8/24/07, Matt Mackall <mpm [at] selenic> wrote:
> My observation is actually from the other side, Alan. I run a list
> that used to send exactly such messages and got complaints from people
> in this community about running a subscribers-only list. My natural
> conclusion was that the messages were considered to be a problem.
> Given that the moderation messages from Mailman actually mention
> "subscribers-only", I can't blame non-subscribers for feeling
> thwarted, frustrated, annoyed, or inconvenienced when they receive it.

there's a difference between getting a response that says it's being
held pending a moderator approving it and a response that says it's
been flat out rejected until you subscribe

> Since I was already whitelisting legitimate posters, I simply turned
> off the moderation messages back to the poster. Now the fact that the
> list is moderated is completely transparent and no one gets any rude
> automated messages.

that's easy enough to do
-mike
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