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Jul 25, 2006, 4:51 PM


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Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion [In reply to]
Russell Cattelan wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-07-23 at 01:20 -0600, Hans Reiser wrote:
>> Jeff, I think that a large part of what is going on is that any patch
>> that can be read in 15 minutes gets reviewed immediately, and any patch
>> that is worked on for 5 years and then takes a week to read gets
[...]
>> It is importand that we embrace our diversity, and be happy for the
>> strength it gives us. Some of us are good at small patches that evolve,
>> and some are good at escaping local optimums. We all have value, both
>> trees and grass have their place in the world.
>>
> Which is summed up quite well by:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_of_the_bikeshed
>
> It seem to be a well know tendency for people to want to
> be involved in some way, thus keeping to much of the development
> cycle internal tends to generate friction.

No, I think Hans is right.

Although I should mention, Hans, that there is a really good reason to
prefer the 15 minute patches. The patches that take a week are much
harder to read during that week than any number of 15 minute incremental
patches, because the incremental patches are already broken down into
nice, small, readable, ordered chunks. And since development follows
some sort of logical, orderly pattern, it can be much easier to read it
that way than to try to consider the whole.

Think of it this way -- why are debuggers useful? One of the nicest
thing about a debugger, especially for newbies, is the ability to step
through a program a line at a time. It's the same principle -- you can
understand the program state at one point in time, and the impact of one
line of code, much more easily than the overall model of the program
state (and all of its edge cases), or the impact of several hundred
(thousand? tens of thousands?) lines of code.

So while I don't blame the Namesys team for putting off inclusion till
it's done, I also can't really blame the kernel guys for not wanting to
read it, especially if it's revolutionary. Revolutionary ideas are hard
to grasp, and it's not their fault.

I mean, if revolutionary ideas were easy, why didn't you write Reiser4
for a system like, say, Tunes? (http://tunes.org/) Say what you will,
but there are ways of doing fast filesystems which don't require that
said filesystems be written in kernel C. Consider this:

http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/oskit/

If I understand that right, it's a mechanism for writing kernel code in
languages like "Java, Lisp, Scheme, or ML"...

If we could all grasp every single good (best) idea from every corner of
software engineering, and write completely new software (including the
OS) using those ideas, we could potentially replace all existing
software in something like 3-5 years with software which has none of the
problems ours does now. We'd never have inflexibility, insecurity,
instability, user interface issues... Never have to worry about getting
software out the door (it'd be so fast to develop), but always have it
designed the right way the first time, yet be able to rearrange it
completely with only 5-10 line patches.

So it's not always the computer hardware that's the limitation. Often
it's our hardware as well. Human beings usually aren't equipped to be
able to grok the whole universe all at once. If we were... see above.
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the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 21, 2006, 12:46 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 21, 2006, 5:18 PM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion diegocg at gmail Jul 22, 2006, 12:19 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion tytso at mit Jul 22, 2006, 6:02 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion sandeen at sandeen Jul 22, 2006, 7:30 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 22, 2006, 11:33 AM
            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jeff at garzik Jul 22, 2006, 1:29 PM
                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 23, 2006, 12:20 AM
                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion lkml at lpbproductions Jul 23, 2006, 2:12 AM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 23, 2006, 9:01 PM
                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 24, 2006, 1:54 AM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 24, 2006, 1:13 AM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 24, 2006, 3:25 AM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion chrivers at iversen-net Jul 24, 2006, 4:34 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion erik at harddisk-recovery Jul 24, 2006, 5:37 AM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ipso at snappymail Jul 24, 2006, 9:57 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 24, 2006, 10:35 AM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion Valdis.Kletnieks at vt Jul 24, 2006, 11:28 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion vonbrand at inf Jul 24, 2006, 11:06 AM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ipso at snappymail Jul 24, 2006, 1:37 PM
                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 24, 2006, 2:22 PM
                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion vonbrand at inf Jul 24, 2006, 2:51 PM
                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion vda.linux at googlemail Jul 25, 2006, 8:08 AM
                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 25, 2006, 1:49 PM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 25, 2006, 4:04 PM
                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 26, 2006, 4:20 AM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 26, 2006, 4:26 AM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion be-news06 at lina Jul 26, 2006, 6:02 AM
                                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion buddy.lucas at gmail Jul 26, 2006, 11:54 AM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 26, 2006, 6:29 PM
                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 25, 2006, 5:29 PM
                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion dlang at digitalinsight Jul 25, 2006, 5:36 PM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser4 at blinkenlights Jul 31, 2006, 3:58 AM
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                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 31, 2006, 9:22 AM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 31, 2006, 9:44 AM
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                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 31, 2006, 11:36 AM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion rudy at edsons Jul 31, 2006, 9:44 AM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion doglesby at teleformix Jul 31, 2006, 9:47 AM
                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 31, 2006, 10:16 AM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 31, 2006, 10:34 AM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion doglesby at teleformix Jul 31, 2006, 10:44 AM
                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 31, 2006, 9:54 AM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser4 at blinkenlights Jul 31, 2006, 10:56 AM
                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 31, 2006, 1:07 PM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser4 at blinkenlights Jul 31, 2006, 1:32 PM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion tytso at mit Jul 31, 2006, 12:41 PM
                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 31, 2006, 3:53 PM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 31, 2006, 7:33 PM
                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion helgehaf at aitel Aug 1, 2006, 3:40 AM
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                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jengelh at linux01 Jul 31, 2006, 11:22 PM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion pavel at ucw Jul 26, 2006, 6:17 AM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion kangur at polcom Jul 27, 2006, 8:39 AM
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                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 27, 2006, 7:40 PM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jeff at garzik Jul 27, 2006, 10:56 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 27, 2006, 12:06 PM
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                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 23, 2006, 4:48 AM
                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jeffm at suse Jul 23, 2006, 1:46 PM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 23, 2006, 2:15 PM
                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jeffm at suse Jul 23, 2006, 4:22 PM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 23, 2006, 3:35 PM
                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion cattelan at thebarn Jul 25, 2006, 12:13 PM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 25, 2006, 4:51 PM
                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 26, 2006, 7:26 AM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion cattelan at thebarn Jul 26, 2006, 11:16 AM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 26, 2006, 6:19 PM
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                        Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion genoni at sns Jul 26, 2006, 12:59 AM
                            Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 27, 2006, 3:04 AM
                                Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion genoni at sns Jul 27, 2006, 4:07 AM
                                Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion cat at zip Jul 27, 2006, 5:21 AM
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                                    Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 28, 2006, 3:01 AM
                                    Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion vonbrand at inf Jul 28, 2006, 7:05 AM
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                                Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion gmu2006 at gmail Jul 27, 2006, 6:42 AM
                                Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 27, 2006, 6:50 AM
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                            Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jim at why Jul 27, 2006, 11:37 AM
                                Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 27, 2006, 12:34 PM
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                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 26, 2006, 1:50 PM
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                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bfields at fieldses Jul 26, 2006, 2:37 PM
                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 26, 2006, 3:17 PM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 26, 2006, 11:56 PM
                                                                    Re: the ' 'official' point of view' expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion genoni at sns Jul 27, 2006, 1:33 AM
                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 27, 2006, 4:52 AM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 27, 2006, 5:18 AM
                                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 27, 2006, 6:10 AM
                                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 27, 2006, 6:58 AM
                                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 27, 2006, 7:45 AM
                                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bunk at stusta Jul 27, 2006, 8:05 AM
                                                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 27, 2006, 9:11 AM
                                                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 27, 2006, 7:25 PM
                                                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 28, 2006, 7:31 AM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 27, 2006, 6:47 PM
                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 26, 2006, 9:35 PM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion vonbrand at inf Jul 27, 2006, 6:26 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion lord at xfs Jul 23, 2006, 7:08 PM
            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion nikita at clusterfs Jul 24, 2006, 12:53 AM
                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion tytso at mit Jul 24, 2006, 3:30 AM
                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion galibert at pobox Jul 24, 2006, 4:35 AM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion tytso at mit Jul 24, 2006, 6:39 AM
                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion galibert at pobox Jul 24, 2006, 8:38 AM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion tytso at mit Jul 24, 2006, 9:17 AM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion galibert at pobox Jul 24, 2006, 10:50 AM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jeff at garzik Jul 24, 2006, 11:29 AM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion pavel at ucw Jul 26, 2006, 6:08 AM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion galibert at pobox Jul 27, 2006, 8:52 AM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion alan at lxorguk Jul 27, 2006, 9:43 AM
                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion Valdis.Kletnieks at vt Jul 25, 2006, 2:44 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion LuukvanderDuim at pahw Jul 22, 2006, 8:21 AM
    RE: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andre.goddard at gmail Jul 23, 2006, 11:26 AM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion pj at sgi Jul 24, 2006, 3:17 PM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Jul 25, 2006, 1:05 AM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 25, 2006, 5:47 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion LuukvanderDuim at pahw Jul 26, 2006, 5:43 AM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion andrea at cpushare Jul 26, 2006, 1:50 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 31, 2006, 10:20 AM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 31, 2006, 10:32 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion doglesby at teleformix Jul 31, 2006, 10:46 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 31, 2006, 11:11 AM
            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 31, 2006, 11:43 AM
                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion clay.barnes at gmail Jul 31, 2006, 12:17 PM
                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jbglaw at lug-owl Jul 31, 2006, 12:29 PM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 31, 2006, 1:00 PM
                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.orgregarding reiser4 inclusion dlang at digitalinsight Jul 31, 2006, 1:53 PM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.orgregarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 31, 2006, 2:16 PM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion bernd-schubert at gmx Jul 31, 2006, 2:14 PM
                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion vonbrand at inf Aug 1, 2006, 7:28 AM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser4 at blinkenlights Aug 1, 2006, 7:52 AM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion alan at lxorguk Aug 1, 2006, 8:20 AM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 1, 2006, 9:44 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion gmaxwell at gmail Aug 1, 2006, 10:04 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion alan at lxorguk Aug 1, 2006, 10:19 AM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 1, 2006, 4:36 AM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 1, 2006, 10:40 AM
                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion khc at pm Aug 1, 2006, 12:27 PM
                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Aug 3, 2006, 6:58 AM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser4 at blinkenlights Aug 1, 2006, 11:11 AM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ric at emc Aug 1, 2006, 11:21 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 1, 2006, 4:41 AM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Aug 3, 2006, 7:03 AM
                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion edward at namesys Aug 3, 2006, 8:44 AM
                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 3, 2006, 10:26 AM
                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion edward at namesys Aug 4, 2006, 10:04 AM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion windenntw at gmail Aug 4, 2006, 11:57 AM
                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 4, 2006, 5:56 PM
                                                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion edward at namesys Aug 6, 2006, 3:19 PM
                                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 9, 2006, 1:40 AM
                                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jengelh at linux01 Aug 9, 2006, 4:53 AM
                                                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 9, 2006, 8:48 AM
                                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Aug 7, 2006, 12:57 AM
                                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion edward at namesys Aug 8, 2006, 4:06 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 1, 2006, 12:11 PM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Aug 3, 2006, 7:03 AM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion tytso at mit Aug 3, 2006, 9:50 AM
                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 1, 2006, 9:57 AM
                                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion pavel at ucw Aug 6, 2006, 3:59 PM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 6, 2006, 4:36 PM
                                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 9, 2006, 1:37 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion pavel at suse Aug 9, 2006, 2:48 AM
                                                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 9, 2006, 2:15 AM
                                            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 9, 2006, 8:52 AM
                    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion alan at lxorguk Jul 31, 2006, 12:42 PM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion clay.barnes at gmail Jul 31, 2006, 12:34 PM
                        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion gmaxwell at gmail Jul 31, 2006, 2:00 PM
                Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion matthias.andree at gmx Jul 31, 2006, 3:17 PM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion prymitive at pcserwis Jul 31, 2006, 2:21 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion alan at lxorguk Jul 31, 2006, 2:40 PM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Jul 31, 2006, 2:43 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup Jul 31, 2006, 2:54 PM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup Jul 31, 2006, 3:02 PM
            Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup Jul 31, 2006, 3:21 PM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion nate.diller at gmail Jul 31, 2006, 3:56 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup Jul 31, 2006, 4:52 PM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion nate.diller at gmail Jul 31, 2006, 4:43 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup Jul 31, 2006, 5:15 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 1, 2006, 5:01 AM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 1, 2006, 10:41 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser4 at blinkenlights Aug 1, 2006, 11:14 AM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion reiser at namesys Aug 4, 2006, 6:02 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion 7eggert at elstempel Aug 5, 2006, 12:38 PM
    Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion greg at enjellic Aug 7, 2006, 10:37 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion jengelh at linux01 Aug 7, 2006, 10:55 AM
        Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion ninja at slaphack Aug 7, 2006, 11:34 AM

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