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emailgrant at gmail

Aug 11, 2009, 8:12 PM

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Does IC install extra stuff?

I'm running Gentoo and I like to have portage (Gentoo's package
manager) manage as many of my software installations as possible. I
wanted to install all of IC's dependencies manually via portage so I
answered "no" to the 2 questions about installing prerequisites during
make install. It seems like IC downloads and installs a lot of stuff
though. They seem to be perl modules. Is there a way to prevent this
from happening?

- Grant

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peter at pajamian

Aug 11, 2009, 8:59 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

On 08/11/2009 08:12 PM, Grant wrote:
> I'm running Gentoo and I like to have portage (Gentoo's package
> manager) manage as many of my software installations as possible. I
> wanted to install all of IC's dependencies manually via portage so I
> answered "no" to the 2 questions about installing prerequisites during
> make install. It seems like IC downloads and installs a lot of stuff
> though. They seem to be perl modules. Is there a way to prevent this
> from happening?

Install all the required and optional perl modules that IC uses before
you install IC. All of the modules are listed in
Bundle::InterchangeKitchenSink.

Peter

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emailgrant at gmail

Aug 12, 2009, 9:38 AM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

>> I'm running Gentoo and I like to have portage (Gentoo's package
>> manager) manage as many of my software installations as possible. I
>> wanted to install all of IC's dependencies manually via portage so I
>> answered "no" to the 2 questions about installing prerequisites during
>> make install. It seems like IC downloads and installs a lot of stuff
>> though. They seem to be perl modules. Is there a way to prevent this
>> from happening?
>
> Install all the required and optional perl modules that IC uses before
> you install IC. All of the modules are listed in
> Bundle::InterchangeKitchenSink.
>
>
> Peter

I should have been more clear. I did exactly what you said, I
installed each of the dependencies before installing IC and said 'no'
to IC's prereq/bundle questions. It still looked like IC was
downloading a bunch of stuff. Is there a way to figure out what files
were installed?

- Grant

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gert at 3edge

Aug 12, 2009, 12:17 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

emailgrant at gmail

Aug 12, 2009, 1:36 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

>> >> I'm running Gentoo and I like to have portage (Gentoo's package
>> >> manager) manage as many of my software installations as possible. I
>> >> wanted to install all of IC's dependencies manually via portage so I
>> >> answered "no" to the 2 questions about installing prerequisites
>> during
>> >> make install. It seems like IC downloads and installs a lot of
>> stuff
>> >> though. They seem to be perl modules. Is there a way to prevent
>> this
>> >> from happening?
>> >
>> > Install all the required and optional perl modules that IC uses
>> before
>> > you install IC. All of the modules are listed in
>> > Bundle::InterchangeKitchenSink.
>> >
>> >
>> > Peter
>>
>> I should have been more clear. I did exactly what you said, I
>> installed each of the dependencies before installing IC and said 'no'
>> to IC's prereq/bundle questions. It still looked like IC was
>> downloading a bunch of stuff. Is there a way to figure out what files
>> were installed?
>
> Is there perhaps anything more under your interchange/lib directory further
> than lib/Vend and lib/UI ?
>
> CU,
>
> Gert

Yes, I ended up with a lot:

# ls /usr/local/interchange/lib
Bundle DBI.pm HTTP LWP.pm Parse Storable.pm Vend
dbixs_rev.pl lwptut.pod
Business Digest Image MIME Roadmap.pod TASKS.pod WWW
hints.pl perllocal.pod
DBD File IniConf.pm Net Set Term Win32
install_lsb.pl relocate.pl
DBI HTML LWP OLE Spreadsheet UI auto
lwpcook.pod

Is that a whole slew of perl modules? Will IC use those instead of
the ones I installed into the system via portage?

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gert at 3edge

Aug 12, 2009, 10:33 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: interchange-users-bounces [at] icdevgroup [mailto:interchange-
> users-bounces [at] icdevgroup] On Behalf Of Grant
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:37 PM
> To: interchange-users [at] icdevgroup
> Subject: Re: [ic] Does IC install extra stuff?
>
> >> >> I'm running Gentoo and I like to have portage (Gentoo's package
> >> >> manager) manage as many of my software installations as possible.
> I
> >> >> wanted to install all of IC's dependencies manually via portage
> so I
> >> >> answered "no" to the 2 questions about installing prerequisites
> >> during
> >> >> make install. It seems like IC downloads and installs a lot of
> >> stuff
> >> >> though. They seem to be perl modules. Is there a way to prevent
> >> this
> >> >> from happening?
> >> >
> >> > Install all the required and optional perl modules that IC uses
> >> before
> >> > you install IC. All of the modules are listed in
> >> > Bundle::InterchangeKitchenSink.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Peter
> >>
> >> I should have been more clear. I did exactly what you said, I
> >> installed each of the dependencies before installing IC and said
> 'no'
> >> to IC's prereq/bundle questions. It still looked like IC was
> >> downloading a bunch of stuff. Is there a way to figure out what
> files
> >> were installed?
> >
> > Is there perhaps anything more under your interchange/lib directory
> further
> > than lib/Vend and lib/UI ?
> >
> > CU,
> >
> > Gert
>
> Yes, I ended up with a lot:
>
> # ls /usr/local/interchange/lib
> Bundle DBI.pm HTTP LWP.pm Parse Storable.pm Vend
> dbixs_rev.pl lwptut.pod
> Business Digest Image MIME Roadmap.pod TASKS.pod WWW
> hints.pl perllocal.pod
> DBD File IniConf.pm Net Set Term Win32
> install_lsb.pl relocate.pl
> DBI HTML LWP OLE Spreadsheet UI auto
> lwpcook.pod
>
> Is that a whole slew of perl modules? Will IC use those instead of
> the ones I installed into the system via portage?

I suppose that depends on the order in your perl lib path?

CU,

Gert

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emailgrant at gmail

Aug 12, 2009, 11:03 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

>> >> >> I'm running Gentoo and I like to have portage (Gentoo's package
>> >> >> manager) manage as many of my software installations as possible.
>> I
>> >> >> wanted to install all of IC's dependencies manually via portage
>> so I
>> >> >> answered "no" to the 2 questions about installing prerequisites
>> >> during
>> >> >> make install. It seems like IC downloads and installs a lot of
>> >> stuff
>> >> >> though. They seem to be perl modules. Is there a way to prevent
>> >> this
>> >> >> from happening?
>> >> >
>> >> > Install all the required and optional perl modules that IC uses
>> >> before
>> >> > you install IC. All of the modules are listed in
>> >> > Bundle::InterchangeKitchenSink.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Peter
>> >>
>> >> I should have been more clear. I did exactly what you said, I
>> >> installed each of the dependencies before installing IC and said
>> 'no'
>> >> to IC's prereq/bundle questions. It still looked like IC was
>> >> downloading a bunch of stuff. Is there a way to figure out what
>> files
>> >> were installed?
>> >
>> > Is there perhaps anything more under your interchange/lib directory
>> further
>> > than lib/Vend and lib/UI ?
>> >
>> > CU,
>> >
>> > Gert
>>
>> Yes, I ended up with a lot:
>>
>> # ls /usr/local/interchange/lib
>> Bundle DBI.pm HTTP LWP.pm Parse Storable.pm Vend
>> dbixs_rev.pl lwptut.pod
>> Business Digest Image MIME Roadmap.pod TASKS.pod WWW
>> hints.pl perllocal.pod
>> DBD File IniConf.pm Net Set Term Win32
>> install_lsb.pl relocate.pl
>> DBI HTML LWP OLE Spreadsheet UI auto
>> lwpcook.pod
>>
>> Is that a whole slew of perl modules? Will IC use those instead of
>> the ones I installed into the system via portage?
>
> I suppose that depends on the order in your perl lib path?
>
> CU,
>
> Gert

OK, but should all of that have been installed during a make install
in which I'm trying to keep it as minimal as possible? Is that the
expected function of make install here? I just don't have much
experience with it.

- Grant

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gert at 3edge

Aug 13, 2009, 12:09 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: interchange-users-bounces [at] icdevgroup [mailto:interchange-
> users-bounces [at] icdevgroup] On Behalf Of Grant
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:03 AM
> To: interchange-users [at] icdevgroup
> Subject: Re: [ic] Does IC install extra stuff?
>
> >> >> >> I'm running Gentoo and I like to have portage (Gentoo's
> package
> >> >> >> manager) manage as many of my software installations as
> possible.
> >> I
> >> >> >> wanted to install all of IC's dependencies manually via
> portage
> >> so I
> >> >> >> answered "no" to the 2 questions about installing
> prerequisites
> >> >> during
> >> >> >> make install. It seems like IC downloads and installs a lot
> of
> >> >> stuff
> >> >> >> though. They seem to be perl modules. Is there a way to
> prevent
> >> >> this
> >> >> >> from happening?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Install all the required and optional perl modules that IC uses
> >> >> before
> >> >> > you install IC. All of the modules are listed in
> >> >> > Bundle::InterchangeKitchenSink.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Peter
> >> >>
> >> >> I should have been more clear. I did exactly what you said, I
> >> >> installed each of the dependencies before installing IC and said
> >> 'no'
> >> >> to IC's prereq/bundle questions. It still looked like IC was
> >> >> downloading a bunch of stuff. Is there a way to figure out what
> >> files
> >> >> were installed?
> >> >
> >> > Is there perhaps anything more under your interchange/lib
> directory
> >> further
> >> > than lib/Vend and lib/UI ?
> >> >
> >> > CU,
> >> >
> >> > Gert
> >>
> >> Yes, I ended up with a lot:
> >>
> >> # ls /usr/local/interchange/lib
> >> Bundle DBI.pm HTTP LWP.pm Parse Storable.pm Vend
> >> dbixs_rev.pl lwptut.pod
> >> Business Digest Image MIME Roadmap.pod TASKS.pod WWW
> >> hints.pl perllocal.pod
> >> DBD File IniConf.pm Net Set Term
> Win32
> >> install_lsb.pl relocate.pl
> >> DBI HTML LWP OLE Spreadsheet UI auto
> >> lwpcook.pod
> >>
> >> Is that a whole slew of perl modules? Will IC use those instead of
> >> the ones I installed into the system via portage?
> >
> > I suppose that depends on the order in your perl lib path?
> >
> > CU,
> >
> > Gert
>
> OK, but should all of that have been installed during a make install
> in which I'm trying to keep it as minimal as possible? Is that the
> expected function of make install here? I just don't have much
> experience with it.

Well I think this has also been installed when you installed the
kitchensink.
I can only say that I have noticed this behavior, it does not happen to
everybody, but I have not had enough time to investigate this further ...

CU,

Gert

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emailgrant at gmail

Aug 17, 2009, 3:16 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

>> >> # ls /usr/local/interchange/lib
>> >> Bundle DBI.pm HTTP LWP.pm Parse Storable.pm Vend
>> >> dbixs_rev.pl lwptut.pod
>> >> Business Digest Image MIME Roadmap.pod TASKS.pod WWW
>> >> hints.pl perllocal.pod
>> >> DBD File IniConf.pm Net Set Term
>> Win32
>> >> install_lsb.pl relocate.pl
>> >> DBI HTML LWP OLE Spreadsheet UI auto
>> >> lwpcook.pod
>> >>
>> >> Is that a whole slew of perl modules? Will IC use those instead of
>> >> the ones I installed into the system via portage?
>> >
>> > I suppose that depends on the order in your perl lib path?
>> >
>> > CU,
>> >
>> > Gert
>>
>> OK, but should all of that have been installed during a make install
>> in which I'm trying to keep it as minimal as possible? Is that the
>> expected function of make install here? I just don't have much
>> experience with it.
>
> Well I think this has also been installed when you installed the
> kitchensink.
> I can only say that I have noticed this behavior, it does not happen to
> everybody, but I have not had enough time to investigate this further ...
>
> CU,
>
> Gert

Is there a way to figure out if IC is using any of the perl modules in
/usr/local/interchange so I might be able to delete them? Could 'make
install' have installed anything outside of /usr/local/interchange?

- Grant

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gert at 3edge

Aug 18, 2009, 7:08 AM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: interchange-users-bounces [at] icdevgroup [mailto:interchange-
> users-bounces [at] icdevgroup] On Behalf Of Grant
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:17 AM
> To: interchange-users [at] icdevgroup
> Subject: Re: [ic] Does IC install extra stuff?
>
> >> >> # ls /usr/local/interchange/lib
> >> >> Bundle DBI.pm HTTP LWP.pm Parse Storable.pm
> Vend
> >> >> dbixs_rev.pl lwptut.pod
> >> >> Business Digest Image MIME Roadmap.pod TASKS.pod
> WWW
> >> >> hints.pl perllocal.pod
> >> >> DBD File IniConf.pm Net Set Term
> >> Win32
> >> >> install_lsb.pl relocate.pl
> >> >> DBI HTML LWP OLE Spreadsheet UI
> auto
> >> >> lwpcook.pod
> >> >>
> >> >> Is that a whole slew of perl modules? Will IC use those instead
> of
> >> >> the ones I installed into the system via portage?
> >> >
> >> > I suppose that depends on the order in your perl lib path?
> >> >
> >> > CU,
> >> >
> >> > Gert
> >>
> >> OK, but should all of that have been installed during a make install
> >> in which I'm trying to keep it as minimal as possible? Is that the
> >> expected function of make install here? I just don't have much
> >> experience with it.
> >
> > Well I think this has also been installed when you installed the
> > kitchensink.
> > I can only say that I have noticed this behavior, it does not happen
> to
> > everybody, but I have not had enough time to investigate this further
> ...
> >
> > CU,
> >
> > Gert
>
> Is there a way to figure out if IC is using any of the perl modules in
> /usr/local/interchange so I might be able to delete them? Could 'make
> install' have installed anything outside of /usr/local/interchange?

You installed Bundle::KitchenSink already before you finished your IC
install right?
Then my assumption is that if you would remove those perl models from
/usr/local/interchange that things should still work.

Then again, my 2nd theory is that if you have Interchange installing those
modules under /usr/local/interchange/ then the Perl that you used to
install interchange was not able to find these modules. Or the test in order
to find these modules is broken in the Interchange installation process ...

Are you using a stock Perl, or your own compiled Perl? There might be the
key to this. I use a self compiled Perl and if you do too then this might be
the reason why these things end up in /usr/local/interchange ... But that is
just a theory and that could mean that the installation process has a
certain issue with determining if all modules are available ...

And if you are not on a production environment then the first thing I would
try is to move all of those modules away from /usr/local/interchange,
restart the kitty and see if she will still purr ... If you are only having
production that might be a bit of a crash & burn experience for some of the
visitors in those exciting 5 minutes ... (so 'move all of those modules =
zip -r -9 myiclib.zip /usr/local/interchange/lib/ ... then whackallmodules ,
restart, check if it still plays, if not unzip that myiclib.zip and restart
... ) ...

Warranty until the end of this e-mail ...
Like about ... here :)
CU,
Gert

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emailgrant at gmail

Aug 18, 2009, 3:38 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

>> Is there a way to figure out if IC is using any of the perl modules in
>> /usr/local/interchange so I might be able to delete them? Could 'make
>> install' have installed anything outside of /usr/local/interchange?
>
> You installed Bundle::KitchenSink already before you finished your IC
> install right?

I did not actually install Bundle::KitchenSink. Instead, I tried to
install each necessary module individually.

> Then my assumption is that if you would remove those perl models from
> /usr/local/interchange that things should still work.
>
> Then again, my 2nd theory is that if you have Interchange installing those
> modules under /usr/local/interchange/ then the Perl that you used to
> install interchange was not able to find these modules. Or the test in order
> to find these modules is broken in the Interchange installation process ...
>
> Are you using a stock Perl, or your own compiled Perl? There might be the
> key to this. I use a self compiled Perl and if you do too then this might be
> the reason why these things end up in /usr/local/interchange ... But that is
> just a theory and that could mean that the installation process has a
> certain issue with determining if all modules are available ...

Gentoo's portage does compile perl before installation so maybe that's
it. I have:

# locate DBI.pm
/usr/local/interchange/src/DBI-1.609/blib/lib/Bundle/DBI.pm
/usr/local/interchange/src/DBI-1.609/blib/lib/DBI.pm
/usr/local/interchange/src/DBI-1.609/DBI.pm
/usr/local/interchange/src/DBI-1.609/lib/Bundle/DBI.pm
/usr/local/interchange/lib/Bundle/DBI.pm
/usr/local/interchange/lib/DBI.pm
/usr/local/interchange/lib/Vend/Table/DBI.pm
/usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux/Bundle/DBI.pm
/usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux/DBI.pm

> And if you are not on a production environment then the first thing I would
> try is to move all of those modules away from /usr/local/interchange,
> restart the kitty and see if she will still purr ... If you are only having
> production that might be a bit of a crash & burn experience for some of the
> visitors in those exciting 5 minutes ... (so 'move all of those modules =
> zip -r -9 myiclib.zip /usr/local/interchange/lib/ ... then whackallmodules ,
> restart, check if it still plays, if not unzip that myiclib.zip and restart
> ... ) ...

Good advice, thank you Gert.

- Grant

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Aug 18, 2009, 4:47 PM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

>> Is there a way to figure out if IC is using any of the perl modules in
>> /usr/local/interchange so I might be able to delete them? Could 'make
>> install' have installed anything outside of /usr/local/interchange?
>
> You installed Bundle::KitchenSink already before you finished your IC
> install right?
> Then my assumption is that if you would remove those perl models from
> /usr/local/interchange that things should still work.
>
> Then again, my 2nd theory is that if you have Interchange installing those
> modules under /usr/local/interchange/ then the Perl that you used to
> install interchange was not able to find these modules. Or the test in order
> to find these modules is broken in the Interchange installation process ...
>
> Are you using a stock Perl, or your own compiled Perl? There might be the
> key to this. I use a self compiled Perl and if you do too then this might be
> the reason why these things end up in /usr/local/interchange ... But that is
> just a theory and that could mean that the installation process has a
> certain issue with determining if all modules are available ...
>
> And if you are not on a production environment then the first thing I would
> try is to move all of those modules away from /usr/local/interchange,
> restart the kitty and see if she will still purr ... If you are only having
> production that might be a bit of a crash & burn experience for some of the
> visitors in those exciting 5 minutes ... (so 'move all of those modules =
> zip -r -9 myiclib.zip /usr/local/interchange/lib/ ... then whackallmodules ,
> restart, check if it still plays, if not unzip that myiclib.zip and restart

I haven't removed them, but I can see from an error I'm getting that
IC is using at least some perl modules from /usr/local/interchange.
How can I make it aware of the modules installed in the system?

- Grant

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gert at 3edge

Aug 23, 2009, 7:22 AM

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Re: Does IC install extra stuff? [In reply to]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: interchange-users-bounces [at] icdevgroup [mailto:interchange-
> users-bounces [at] icdevgroup] On Behalf Of Grant
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:47 AM
> To: interchange-users [at] icdevgroup
> Subject: Re: [ic] Does IC install extra stuff?
>
> >> Is there a way to figure out if IC is using any of the perl modules
> in
> >> /usr/local/interchange so I might be able to delete them? Could
> 'make
> >> install' have installed anything outside of /usr/local/interchange?
> >
> > You installed Bundle::KitchenSink already before you finished your IC
> > install right?
> > Then my assumption is that if you would remove those perl models from
> > /usr/local/interchange that things should still work.
> >
> > Then again, my 2nd theory is that if you have Interchange installing
> those
> > modules under /usr/local/interchange/ then the Perl that you used to
> > install interchange was not able to find these modules. Or the test
> in order
> > to find these modules is broken in the Interchange installation
> process ...
> >
> > Are you using a stock Perl, or your own compiled Perl? There might
> be the
> > key to this. I use a self compiled Perl and if you do too then this
> might be
> > the reason why these things end up in /usr/local/interchange ... But
> that is
> > just a theory and that could mean that the installation process has a
> > certain issue with determining if all modules are available ...
> >
> > And if you are not on a production environment then the first thing I
> would
> > try is to move all of those modules away from /usr/local/interchange,
> > restart the kitty and see if she will still purr ... If you are only
> having
> > production that might be a bit of a crash & burn experience for some
> of the
> > visitors in those exciting 5 minutes ... (so 'move all of those
> modules =
> > zip -r -9 myiclib.zip /usr/local/interchange/lib/ ... then
> whackallmodules ,
> > restart, check if it still plays, if not unzip that myiclib.zip and
> restart
>
> I haven't removed them, but I can see from an error I'm getting that
> IC is using at least some perl modules from /usr/local/interchange.
> How can I make it aware of the modules installed in the system?

Just theorizing because I am not sure (hopefully someone else can agree with
me or tell you the correct answer).
The modules are loaded according to the sequence they are found in @INC ...
So I assume that /usr/local/interchange is earlier in your @INC than the
other locations where the modules are found ...

Perhaps modifying the commandline in interchange/bin/interchange might do
the trick by adding:
#!/path/to/perl -I /path/to/systemlocation/of/modules

Other option, not sure if that would help, is setting the PERL5LIB
environment variable to the path of your systemlocaton of the perl modules
you want to use.

CU,

Gert

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