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mlists at robin-kipp

May 22, 2012, 11:06 AM

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Testing GPG EMail encryption

Hello all,
well, as of today, I finally decided to start signing my EMail messages using GPG to prove the integrety of my messages. As I am primarily using Mac OS, I downloaded MacGPG (http://gpgtools.org), installed it and set it all up. As I'm completely blind, I first had some issues with MacGPG, as it uses a special window (called, I think, the PINEntry window) to ask for the passphrase. Unfortunately, this window isn't accessible using VoiceOver, the screenreader built into Mac OS. However, I was now able to come up with a workaround and now it seems as if I can sign and encrypt messages without much trouble. I've informed the MacGPG developers about the accessibility issues in their software, and they seem very committed to solving it in an upcoming version. If anyone is interested, the related ticket can be found at http://gpgtools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/66001-macgpg2/tickets/94-pinentry-window-not-recognized-by-voiceover

Now, I'd really like to test out EMail encryption so that I can verify this works properly, but for that, of course, I need one other party also using GPG. So, I was wondering, would it be possible for any of the GPG users on here to contact me offlist so that we could try this out once? If anyone on here would be willing to do that, I'd greatly appreciate that!
Thanks for any help :-)
Best regards,
Robin.
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stevebell at gulli

May 22, 2012, 12:28 PM

Post #2 of 48 (2387 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

Hey Robin,

I'll send you a testmail in a minute. I'm the guy from the GPGTools support discussion we had today.

Talk to you off-list.

If any of the GnuPG wizards like to chime in on the technical side on the bug tracker we're happy about any input.

Cheers,
steve


Am 22.05.2012 um 20:06 schrieb Robin Kipp:

> Hello all,
> well, as of today, I finally decided to start signing my EMail messages using GPG to prove the integrety of my messages. As I am primarily using Mac OS, I downloaded MacGPG (http://gpgtools.org), installed it and set it all up. As I'm completely blind, I first had some issues with MacGPG, as it uses a special window (called, I think, the PINEntry window) to ask for the passphrase. Unfortunately, this window isn't accessible using VoiceOver, the screenreader built into Mac OS. However, I was now able to come up with a workaround and now it seems as if I can sign and encrypt messages without much trouble. I've informed the MacGPG developers about the accessibility issues in their software, and they seem very committed to solving it in an upcoming version. If anyone is interested, the related ticket can be found at http://gpgtools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/66001-macgpg2/tickets/94-pinentry-window-not-recognized-by-voiceover
>
> Now, I'd really like to test out EMail encryption so that I can verify this works properly, but for that, of course, I need one other party also using GPG. So, I was wondering, would it be possible for any of the GPG users on here to contact me offlist so that we could try this out once? If anyone on here would be willing to do that, I'd greatly appreciate that!
> Thanks for any help :-)
> Best regards,
> Robin.
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rjh at sixdemonbag

May 22, 2012, 12:39 PM

Post #3 of 48 (2392 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On 5/22/12 2:06 PM, Robin Kipp wrote:
> Now, I'd really like to test out EMail encryption so that I can verify
> this works properly, but for that, of course, I need one other party
> also using GPG.

(Responded to on-list so that people can know your request has been
answered, otherwise you'll get drowned in dozens of responses)

Feel free to send an encrypted/signed email my way. The certificate is
available from the keyservers:

gpg --keyserver keyservers.org --recv-key 0xD6B98E10

I look forward to helping get you set up and straightened out! :)


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mlists at robin-kipp

May 22, 2012, 2:37 PM

Post #4 of 48 (2397 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

Hello all,
thanks a lot for that! Actually, I'm quite flattered by the amount of encrypted messages that came in over the last few minutes from all of you who wanted to help, I honestly wouldn't have expected so much feedback! I'll definitely reply to all of you who took the time and effort to reply to me with an encrypted message so that I could try and decrypt it in order to make it readable. Actually, I succeeded in decrypting all of them, but the exercise also showed that my workaround is far from being flawless. Nevertheless, it's been a lot of fun reading all the messages that ended up in my inbox, and I'll definitely reply during the next few hours!!! This is a great community, and I'm really glad that I'm now part of it - keep up the great work everyone!!! :-)
Best wishes,
Robin.
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mailinglisten at hauke-laging

May 22, 2012, 2:52 PM

Post #5 of 48 (2394 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

Am Di 22.05.2012, 23:37:46 schrieb Robin Kipp:
> Hello all,
> thanks a lot for that! Actually, I'm quite flattered by the amount of
> encrypted messages that came in over the last few minutes from all of you
> who wanted to help

I am happy for him but obviously this approach doesn't scale well. :-)

I don't know how much the demand is (or could be) but perhaps it would help
make more people use OpenPGP to have a round-robin email contact system.
Whoever is willing to help new users (like in this case) registers his email
address with the languages he's capable of communicating in. A new user could
send a mail to

de [at] newusers
en [at] newusers
...

and the mail would be forwarded to one or two people. OpenPGP-Addons for email
software (like Enigmail) could hint the user at this service.


Hauke
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steve at gpgtools

May 22, 2012, 11:50 PM

Post #6 of 48 (2383 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

> I don't know how much the demand is (or could be) but perhaps it would help
> make more people use OpenPGP to have a round-robin email contact system.
> Whoever is willing to help new users (like in this case) registers his email
> address with the languages he's capable of communicating in. A new user could
> send a mail to
>
> de [at] newusers
> en [at] newusers
> ...
>
> and the mail would be forwarded to one or two people. OpenPGP-Addons for email
> software (like Enigmail) could hint the user at this service.

Hi all,

I absolutely agree. At GPGTools we thought about an automatic testing system. Checking if the mail was encrypted and / or signed and then sending out the according reply.

As with so many things and I assume Werner and the Enigmail people know the problem, we never managed to get it done. I'm not sure if one system to rule them all is ideal. Since if a user of GPGTools sendss an unencrypted but signed mail we'd direct him at the according knowledge base article. If we'd use one mail address for GPTools / Enigmail / terminal users, it might be hard to provide the correct information to help users. So it might not be automatable thus create more work.

Currently we encourage the user to send a test mail and do all this manually.

All the best,
steve
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wk at gnupg

May 23, 2012, 1:13 AM

Post #7 of 48 (2388 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:28, stevebell [at] gulli said:

> If any of the GnuPG wizards like to chime in on the technical side on the bug tracker we're happy about any input.

AFAIK a Mac specific PINentry is used and not the GTK+ or QT version.
Thus I can't help.


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branko at majic

May 23, 2012, 2:19 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

As a curiosity, any ideas on what you would do to avoid use of this system for spam purposes? (although encrypted spam won't be of much use :)

Steve <steve [at] gpgtools> wrote:

>> I don't know how much the demand is (or could be) but perhaps it
>would help
>> make more people use OpenPGP to have a round-robin email contact
>system.
>> Whoever is willing to help new users (like in this case) registers
>his email
>> address with the languages he's capable of communicating in. A new
>user could
>> send a mail to
>>
>> de [at] newusers
>> en [at] newusers
>> ...
>>
>> and the mail would be forwarded to one or two people. OpenPGP-Addons
>for email
>> software (like Enigmail) could hint the user at this service.
>
>Hi all,
>
>I absolutely agree. At GPGTools we thought about an automatic testing
>system. Checking if the mail was encrypted and / or signed and then
>sending out the according reply.
>
>As with so many things and I assume Werner and the Enigmail people know
>the problem, we never managed to get it done. I'm not sure if one
>system to rule them all is ideal. Since if a user of GPGTools sendss an
>unencrypted but signed mail we'd direct him at the according knowledge
>base article. If we'd use one mail address for GPTools / Enigmail /
>terminal users, it might be hard to provide the correct information to
>help users. So it might not be automatable thus create more work.
>
>Currently we encourage the user to send a test mail and do all this
>manually.
>
>All the best,
>steve_______________________________________________
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mika.henrik.mainio at hotmail

May 23, 2012, 2:30 AM

Post #9 of 48 (2404 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

On 22.05.2012 21:06, Robin Kipp wrote:
> Hello all, well, as of today, I finally decided to start signing my
> EMail messages using GPG to prove the integrety of my messages. As
> I am primarily using Mac OS, I downloaded MacGPG
> (http://gpgtools.org), installed it and set it all up. As I'm
> completely blind, I first had some issues with MacGPG, as it uses a
> special window (called, I think, the PINEntry window) to ask for
> the passphrase. Unfortunately, this window isn't accessible using
> VoiceOver, the screenreader built into Mac OS. However, I was now
> able to come up with a workaround and now it seems as if I can sign
> and encrypt messages without much trouble. I've informed the
> MacGPG developers about the accessibility issues in their software,
> and they seem very committed to solving it in an upcoming version.
> If anyone is interested, the related ticket can be found at
> http://gpgtools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/66001-macgpg2/tickets/94-pinentry-window-not-recognized-by-voiceover
>
> Now, I'd really like to test out EMail encryption so that I can
> verify this works properly, but for that, of course, I need one
> other party also using GPG. So, I was wondering, would it be
> possible for any of the GPG users on here to contact me offlist so
> that we could try this out once? If anyone on here would be willing
> to do that, I'd greatly appreciate that! Thanks for any help :-)
> Best regards, Robin.

I cannot verify your signature, because you use PGP/MIME and this
mailing list uses mailing list software which somehow messes up with
headers and makes PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable.

You can test email encryption by emailing Adele.
pub 1024D/92AB3FF7 2002-03-06
uid Adele (The friendly OpenPGP email robot)
<adele-en [at] gnupp>
uid Adele (Der freundliche E-Mail-Roboter)
<adele [at] gnupp>
sub 1024g/62BDBFD4 2002-03-06




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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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=5ilr
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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peter at digitalbrains

May 23, 2012, 2:37 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On 23/05/12 11:19, Branko Majic wrote:
> As a curiosity, any ideas on what you would do to avoid use of this system
> for spam purposes? (although encrypted spam won't be of much use :)

A simple challenge-response system should suffice, I'd say. When a new user
mails to such an address, he receives a reply with a code that should again be
mailed back to indicate the user is a human and can respond to the challenge.

Bots could be adapted to defeat a lot of variations of this, but when it's a
special-purpose design, I don't think it would be worth their time. Otherwise,
use a captcha. I've never seen captcha's used in e-mail traffic, but it's easily
done.

Peter.

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steve at gpgtools

May 23, 2012, 2:56 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption AKA PGP/MIME [In reply to]

I think we had the PGP/MIME vs inline discussion already.

@Robert: Would that qualify for a second entry in your FAQ with the pro/cons listed? I really would love to see some distilled output. The discussions on this list are very valuable and having the pro / con arguments in some sort of wiki / faq (maybe editable by the users) would imo bring benefit to users, trying to understand backgrounds.

@David let us know once you get the basic setup done. Would GitHub maybe be sufficient as a wiki? I am sure there are other nice solutions around, too.

Cheers,
steve



>
> I cannot verify your signature, because you use PGP/MIME and this
> mailing list uses mailing list software which somehow messes up with
> headers and makes PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable.
>
> You can test email encryption by emailing Adele.
> pub 1024D/92AB3FF7 2002-03-06
> uid Adele (The friendly OpenPGP email robot)
> <adele-en [at] gnupp>
> uid Adele (Der freundliche E-Mail-Roboter)
> <adele [at] gnupp>
> sub 1024g/62BDBFD4 2002-03-06
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rjh at sixdemonbag

May 23, 2012, 6:24 AM

Post #12 of 48 (2383 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On 5/23/12 2:50 AM, Steve wrote:
> I absolutely agree. At GPGTools we thought about an automatic testing
> system. Checking if the mail was encrypted and / or signed and then
> sending out the according reply.

You may want to move this discussion over to the Enigmail list. We have
a system set up that does much of this already, called Adele. We'd be
happy to share.

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wk at gnupg

May 23, 2012, 8:27 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:30, mika.henrik.mainio [at] hotmail said:

> I cannot verify your signature, because you use PGP/MIME and this
> mailing list uses mailing list software which somehow messes up with
> headers and makes PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable.

It is this old Mailman/Python illness. I really wonder what the state
of the fixes is. For years I ran a patched Mailman version but this
patch never made it into Mailman proper. Along with the hard to use
standard archiver (pipermail), this is a major drawback of Mailman.


Shalom-Salam,

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wk at gnupg

May 23, 2012, 8:29 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 15:24, rjh [at] sixdemonbag said:

> You may want to move this discussion over to the Enigmail list. We have
> a system set up that does much of this already, called Adele. We'd be

Is that a different one than the Adele from Gnu_PP_, which is a closed
source web service?


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mika.henrik.mainio at hotmail

May 23, 2012, 8:35 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption AKA PGP/MIME [In reply to]

On 23.05.2012 12:56, Steve wrote:
> I think we had the PGP/MIME vs inline discussion already.

I am using PGP/MIME in this email. Can you verify my signature on this
email? You can find link to my public key in my signature.

Now I stop answering to these PGP/MIME vs INLINE. I think that I have
said enough in http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/WhyDoISignEmails.html .

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mika.henrik.mainio at hotmail

May 23, 2012, 8:38 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On 23.05.2012 16:24, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
> On 5/23/12 2:50 AM, Steve wrote:
>> I absolutely agree. At GPGTools we thought about an automatic
>> testing system. Checking if the mail was encrypted and / or
>> signed and then sending out the according reply.
>
> You may want to move this discussion over to the Enigmail list. We
> have a system set up that does much of this already, called Adele.
> We'd be happy to share.

Why to move it to Enigmail list? That email which you quoted doesn't
have mention Enigmail. As far as I know, GPGTools doesn't even include
Enigmail.


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPvQRgAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoabAQAMeDSGQLo3UbTOEwpi+efOHN
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8pAForfS47nU7asHT74/
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rjh at sixdemonbag

May 23, 2012, 8:48 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On 5/23/12 11:38 AM, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> Why to move it to Enigmail list?

According to American legend, a journalist once asked the infamous bank
robber John Dillinger why he robbed banks for a living. "Because that's
where the money is," he said.

Why should a discussion about Adele move over to the Enigmail list?
Because Enigmail runs Adele, has the source code for it, and the people
who are responsible for it are all over there. I'm not sure that all
the involved people are on this list. A discussion about Adele that
involves all the Adele people should probably go over to Enigmail,
because that's where Adele and the Adele maintainers are.
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rjh at sixdemonbag

May 23, 2012, 8:51 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption [In reply to]

On 5/23/12 11:29 AM, Werner Koch wrote:
> Is that a different one than the Adele from Gnu_PP_, which is a closed
> source web service?

I don't know. We have the source and permission to use it -- my
impression is that it's Free Software, but it's been years since I've
taken a look at our Adele code and read the copyright notice. John
Clizbe would probably have a better handle on its licensing situation
than I do.

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wk at gnupg

May 23, 2012, 8:54 AM

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On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:35, mika.henrik.mainio [at] hotmail said:
> On 23.05.2012 12:56, Steve wrote:
>> I think we had the PGP/MIME vs inline discussion already.
>
> I am using PGP/MIME in this email. Can you verify my signature on this
> email? You can find link to my public key in my signature.

Sure:

[.[.PGP Signed Part:Good signature from 4DB53CFE82A46728 Mika
Suomalainen (trust undefined) created at 2012-05-23T17:35:40+0200
using RSA]]


Salam-Shalom,

Werner

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brad at fineby

May 23, 2012, 8:57 AM

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On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:30:54 +0300
Mika Suomalainen <mika.henrik.mainio [at] hotmail> wrote:

Hello Mika,

> I cannot verify your signature, because you use PGP/MIME and this
> mailing list uses mailing list software which somehow messes up with
> headers and makes PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable.

Robin's sig verifies okay here. As do most(1) of the sigs I come across
in any mailing list. Most of the lists I subscribe to are run on
mailman. BTW.

Or have I missed your meaning?

(1) Occasionally one doesn't verify, but that's always been because of an
error introduced elsewhere, not by mailman.

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david at gbenet

May 23, 2012, 8:59 AM

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On 23/05/12 16:38, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> On 23.05.2012 16:24, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
>> On 5/23/12 2:50 AM, Steve wrote:
>>> I absolutely agree. At GPGTools we thought about an automatic
>>> testing system. Checking if the mail was encrypted and / or
>>> signed and then sending out the according reply.
>
>> You may want to move this discussion over to the Enigmail list. We
>> have a system set up that does much of this already, called Adele.
>> We'd be happy to share.
>
> Why to move it to Enigmail list? That email which you quoted doesn't
> have mention Enigmail. As far as I know, GPGTools doesn't even include
> Enigmail.
>
>
>
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>
Yup and I was on there list too - and effectively told to shove off when I pointed out
errors in enigmail - they don't like testing and error reporting - so kfuc em

David

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPvQlPAAoJEOJpqm7flREx71MH/AhKdugWlY764s7OaHv8EDbq
1NFHolY8ToJVBt7jTqaJCGykvmloaRwEgKjRLG4hZTvbLGQkaL3Jh7usCL9GG4FA
wNEVwF69YxPjWYPjChu59nPMEFISMa0zfhiktK74tOatQQCwVHKBh6VqWoKxvvtO
Dxd17EYf4LylqC8A1WLURShehh9JxC7axkMrwBlTK0h8QktFu4WnttLo43/O1A39
DMqmyaIcFnLorKVT7roEAcUIMfy1ie3Tir5L2Ct4fu/yFZ39yNXgxRh12IUCZky0
1AVlTqYw2DV3zKlMCcZ4lDXGnXMAaso8elwatv/z4zgLm0NkHyyf7q85hVx+sKg=
=bglt
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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mika.henrik.mainio at hotmail

May 23, 2012, 8:59 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption AKA PGP/MIME [In reply to]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On 23.05.2012 18:54, Werner Koch wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:35, mika.henrik.mainio [at] hotmail said:
>> On 23.05.2012 12:56, Steve wrote:
>>> I think we had the PGP/MIME vs inline discussion already.
>>
>> I am using PGP/MIME in this email. Can you verify my signature
>> on this email? You can find link to my public key in my
>> signature.
>
> Sure:
>
> [.[.PGP Signed Part:Good signature from 4DB53CFE82A46728 Mika
> Suomalainen (trust undefined) created at 2012-05-23T17:35:40+0200
> using RSA]]
>
>
> Salam-Shalom,
>
> Werner
>

Weird. All PGP/MIME signed emails here cannot be verified if they are
from mailing lists.

PS. I am on this list so you don't need to CC me unless your email
client forces it.

- --
[Mika Suomalainen](https://mkaysi.github.com/) ||
[gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
4DB53CFE82A46728](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/key.txt) ||
[Why do I sign my
emails?](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/WhyDoISignEmails.html) ||
[Please don't send
HTML.](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/HTML.html) ||
[Please don't
toppost](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/topposting.html) ||

[This signature](https://gist.github.com/2643070) ||
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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=eBwo
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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mika.henrik.mainio at hotmail

May 23, 2012, 8:59 AM

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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption AKA PGP/MIME [In reply to]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On 23.05.2012 18:54, Werner Koch wrote:


Weird. All PGP/MIME signed emails here cannot be verified if they are
from mailing lists.

PS. I am on this list so you don't need to CC me unless your email
client forces it.

- --
[Mika Suomalainen](https://mkaysi.github.com/) ||
[gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys
4DB53CFE82A46728](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/key.txt) ||
[Why do I sign my
emails?](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/WhyDoISignEmails.html) ||
[Please don't send
HTML.](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/HTML.html) ||
[Please don't
toppost](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/topposting.html) ||

[This signature](https://gist.github.com/2643070) ||
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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=hD3Y
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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david at gbenet

May 23, 2012, 9:17 AM

Post #24 of 48 (2394 views)
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Re: Testing GPG EMail encryption AKA PGP/MIME [In reply to]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On 23/05/12 16:54, Werner Koch wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:35, mika.henrik.mainio [at] hotmail said:
>> On 23.05.2012 12:56, Steve wrote:
>>> I think we had the PGP/MIME vs inline discussion already.
>>
>> I am using PGP/MIME in this email. Can you verify my signature on this
>> email? You can find link to my public key in my signature.
>
> Sure:
>
> [.[.PGP Signed Part:Good signature from 4DB53CFE82A46728 Mika
> Suomalainen (trust undefined) created at 2012-05-23T17:35:40+0200
> using RSA]]
>
>
> Salam-Shalom,
>
> Werner
>
Hi Verner,

I've had your key for ages - so why not attach it?

David



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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPvQ20AAoJEOJpqm7flRExbMkH/jOiHf9n76WrKXBmyWmp6cx4
ICXNF2ijkNrFmKE08v7E9zW9DpropD94mtIrtnuiLRMKKnwcMBxz7YnJNYNllOwr
Ef278lwE6cfWJ/KXSRvFrrigZbkywyw2pfXDME7mElFqIJg8uvvT5Akl581Y7TXj
4vzbcQ2B8EELQUsK9QyBiaVmL4+VLPSEvp4Pq9N0D9I+C0BDjlMX8k+4//TdBj+j
p8qfSBM1oIGTwXLOhCz9p/E0q8C6SH3//e6LYqu/mY0MxNNzxgKo7v8X3ECDnL0d
f40WO36cP1XSzZInkhnmjHS1sWkXv1iq4zXVxrini7jtwX1DuOWcVYLod4BDK/4=
=JXUz
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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wk at gnupg

May 23, 2012, 9:32 AM

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On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:59, mika.henrik.mainio [at] hotmail said:

> PS. I am on this list so you don't need to CC me unless your email
> client forces it.

Set your MFT header correctly, if you want to avoid a CC.


Shalom-Salam,

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