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hamilric at us

Jun 17, 2010, 3:04 PM

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AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

I am out of the office until 06/24/2010.

I am out of the office until Thursday June 24th. If this is a production
problem, please call the solution center at 918-573-2336 or email Bob Olson
at Robert.Olson [at] williams I will have limited mail and cell phone
access.

Note: This is an automated response to your message "Re: Can we use GNUPG
with PGP for commercial use" sent on 6/17/10 10:21:32.

This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away.

gnupg.user at seibercom

Jun 18, 2010, 3:27 AM

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010) [In reply to]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:04:41 -0600
Richard Hamilton <hamilric [at] us> articulated:

> I am out of the office until 06/24/2010.
>
> I am out of the office until Thursday June 24th. If this is a
> production problem, please call the solution center at 918-573-2336
> or email Bob Olson at Robert.Olson [at] williams I will have limited
> mail and cell phone access.
>
>
> Note: This is an automated response to your message "Re: Can we use
> GNUPG with PGP for commercial use" sent on 6/17/10 10:21:32.
>
> This is the only notification you will receive while this person is
> away.

I was just stating to a colleague that it had been months since an
errant "vacation" message had been posted on this forum. Well, thanks
to Bob, that drought has been quenched. With the summer season now
upon us and vacations becoming the norm, I rest assured that more such
individuals will be advising us of their schedule.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, this might be a good time for all of us
to check that we have our mail programs, be them what they may,
properly configured so as to not pollute forums with useless
OOF/vacation garbage announcements.

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jeandavid8 at verizon

Jun 18, 2010, 5:27 AM

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010) [In reply to]

Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:04:41 -0600

> I was just stating to a colleague that it had been months since an
> errant "vacation" message had been posted on this forum. Well, thanks
> to Bob, that drought has been quenched. With the summer season now
> upon us and vacations becoming the norm, I rest assured that more such
> individuals will be advising us of their schedule.
>
> Then again, maybe, just maybe, this might be a good time for all of us
> to check that we have our mail programs, be them what they may,
> properly configured so as to not pollute forums with useless
> OOF/vacation garbage announcements.
>
If I understand correctly, this is done by setting the precedence of the
vacation e-mail to "bulk" instead of something else ("list"?), and that
mailing list programs do not send the stuff marked bulk.

Is that not how mailing list programs work?

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Jun 18, 2010, 6:16 AM

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010) [In reply to]

David Smith wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> If I understand correctly, this is done by setting the precedence of the
>> vacation e-mail to "bulk" instead of something else ("list"?), and that
>> mailing list programs do not send the stuff marked bulk.
>>
>> Is that not how mailing list programs work?
>
>
> Not quite.
>
> Mailing lists programs normally send mails with the "Precedence: bulk"
> or "Precedence: junk" header, and then the autoresponder should
> recognise this and choose not to respond to mails with the "bulk" or
> "junk" precedence header. It is up to the autoresponder to act correctly.
>
Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users [at] gnupg list has
"precedence: list" set. Other lists to which I subscribe use "Precedence
normal" or "precedence: bulk". Regular e-mail does not have precedence
set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
together.

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Dave.Smith at st

Jun 18, 2010, 6:24 AM

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010) [In reply to]

Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> David Smith wrote:
>> Mailing lists programs normally send mails with the "Precedence: bulk"
>> or "Precedence: junk" header, and then the autoresponder should
>> recognise this and choose not to respond to mails with the "bulk" or
>> "junk" precedence header. It is up to the autoresponder to act correctly.
>>
> Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users [at] gnupg list has
> "precedence: list" set. Other lists to which I subscribe use "Precedence
> normal" or "precedence: bulk". Regular e-mail does not have precedence
> set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
> together.

OK, Maybe "Precedence: list" is also a valid implementation; I haven't
looked in detail at the RFQs, etc. - I was just typing from memory. The
basic method of operation is the same, though - the MLM marks the
message as a mailing list message using the "Precedence" header, and the
autoresponder interprets this header when deciding whether to respond.

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Dave.Smith at st

Jun 18, 2010, 6:31 AM

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010) [In reply to]

Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users [at] gnupg list has
> "precedence: list" set. Other lists to which I subscribe use "Precedence
> normal" or "precedence: bulk". Regular e-mail does not have precedence
> set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
> together.

Just checked the relevant RFC (3834), and it says (rather unhelpfully):

(Because Precedence is not a standard
header field, and its use and interpretation vary widely in the
wild, no particular responder behavior in the presence of
Precedence is recommended by this specification.)

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sean at srima

Jun 18, 2010, 6:33 AM

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010) [In reply to]

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On 18/06/2010 14:24, David Smith wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> David Smith wrote:
>>> Mailing lists programs normally send mails with the "Precedence: bulk"
>>> or "Precedence: junk" header, and then the autoresponder should
>>> recognise this and choose not to respond to mails with the "bulk" or
>>> "junk" precedence header. It is up to the autoresponder to act correctly.
>>>
>> Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users [at] gnupg list has
>> "precedence: list" set. Other lists to which I subscribe use "Precedence
>> normal" or "precedence: bulk". Regular e-mail does not have precedence
>> set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
>> together.
>
> OK, Maybe "Precedence: list" is also a valid implementation; I haven't
> looked in detail at the RFQs, etc. - I was just typing from memory. The
> basic method of operation is the same, though - the MLM marks the
> message as a mailing list message using the "Precedence" header, and the
> autoresponder interprets this header when deciding whether to respond.
>

Many years ago I used to maintain the Linux vacation and one of the
checks it did was to check for the existence of the Precedence header.
We also started to add support for Mailman listheaders.

Any decently written OOF/vacation should be able to ignore most mailing
lists

Sean
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mwood at IUPUI

Jun 21, 2010, 5:47 AM

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010) [In reply to]

RFC2919, anyone? This list uses the List-* headers.

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