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francisco.ares at altecvision

Sep 10, 2004, 7:44 AM

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changing from XFree to X.org

Hi

Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face during this change (XFree
to X.org) ?

Could anyone send me a XF86Config (or whatever name the X configuration
file may be) so I can check the different directories for fonts /
modules / etc. ?

Thanks
Francisco

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francisco.ares at altecvision

Sep 10, 2004, 9:00 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org - THANKS [In reply to]

Thanks Wouter and Josh, gonna try it this weekend ;-)

Francisco

Wouter Groeneveld wrote:

>There's a nice howto on gentoo-wiki.com wich are the major changes e.d.
>The main problem is the font config - you can search for that on the
>forums there are threads enough about that =)
>You don't need to edit your XF86Config, yust copy it too xorg.conf and
>change the font paths to /usr/share instead of /usr/X11R6/lib/[...].
>Maybe, change Driver "Keyboard" to Driver "kbd" -> 6.8 doesn't like
>the capital K on keyboard.
>
>
>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:47:08 -0500, Josh Close <narshe [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>
>>It's pretty much exactly the same, it just has a different file name.
>>Look at the xorg docs on the gentoo site if need be, but you can
>>probably just copy the file and rename it. You can also remake the
>>config and the process is exactly the same.
>>
>>The only problem I ran into was some of the font library files where
>>in the wrong directory. You can just fix that manually in the config
>>file if need be.
>>
>>-Josh
>>
>>On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:44:23 +0000, Francisco J. A. Ares
>>
>>
>><francisco.ares [at] altecvision> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face during this change (XFree
>>>to X.org) ?
>>>
>>>Could anyone send me a XF86Config (or whatever name the X configuration
>>>file may be) so I can check the different directories for fonts /
>>>modules / etc. ?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Francisco
>>>
>>>

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narshe at gmail

Sep 10, 2004, 10:47 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

It's pretty much exactly the same, it just has a different file name.
Look at the xorg docs on the gentoo site if need be, but you can
probably just copy the file and rename it. You can also remake the
config and the process is exactly the same.

The only problem I ran into was some of the font library files where
in the wrong directory. You can just fix that manually in the config
file if need be.

-Josh

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:44:23 +0000, Francisco J. A. Ares
<francisco.ares [at] altecvision> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face during this change (XFree
> to X.org) ?
>
> Could anyone send me a XF86Config (or whatever name the X configuration
> file may be) so I can check the different directories for fonts /
> modules / etc. ?
>
> Thanks
> Francisco
>
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>
>

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jefklak at gmail

Sep 10, 2004, 11:14 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

There's a nice howto on gentoo-wiki.com wich are the major changes e.d.
The main problem is the font config - you can search for that on the
forums there are threads enough about that =)
You don't need to edit your XF86Config, yust copy it too xorg.conf and
change the font paths to /usr/share instead of /usr/X11R6/lib/[...].
Maybe, change Driver "Keyboard" to Driver "kbd" -> 6.8 doesn't like
the capital K on keyboard.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:47:08 -0500, Josh Close <narshe [at] gmail> wrote:
> It's pretty much exactly the same, it just has a different file name.
> Look at the xorg docs on the gentoo site if need be, but you can
> probably just copy the file and rename it. You can also remake the
> config and the process is exactly the same.
>
> The only problem I ran into was some of the font library files where
> in the wrong directory. You can just fix that manually in the config
> file if need be.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:44:23 +0000, Francisco J. A. Ares
>
>
> <francisco.ares [at] altecvision> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face during this change (XFree
> > to X.org) ?
> >
> > Could anyone send me a XF86Config (or whatever name the X configuration
> > file may be) so I can check the different directories for fonts /
> > modules / etc. ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Francisco
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>

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brettholcomb at charter

Sep 10, 2004, 12:18 PM

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Re: Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

I just copied my XF86Config to xorg.conf and didn't have to make any changes at all.

>
> From: Josh Close <narshe [at] gmail>
> Date: 2004/09/10 Fri PM 05:47:08 GMT
> To: gentoo-user [at] lists
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] changing from XFree to X.org
>
> It's pretty much exactly the same, it just has a different file name.
> Look at the xorg docs on the gentoo site if need be, but you can
> probably just copy the file and rename it. You can also remake the
> config and the process is exactly the same.
>
> The only problem I ran into was some of the font library files where
> in the wrong directory. You can just fix that manually in the config
> file if need be.
>
> -Josh
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:44:23 +0000, Francisco J. A. Ares
> <francisco.ares [at] altecvision> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face during this change (XFree
> > to X.org) ?
> >
> > Could anyone send me a XF86Config (or whatever name the X configuration
> > file may be) so I can check the different directories

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purslow at sympatico

Sep 11, 2004, 9:07 PM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

040910 Francisco J. A. Ares wrote:
> Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face changing XFree -> X.org ?

i wd advise caution: various people have had various bad experiences w it:
mine was v ugly fonts, which i cdn't cure, so i went back to Xfree;
at least, do a Quickpkg of Xfree so you can return easily.

my impression is that Xorg is not ready for the big time
& pressure to go over to it is basically political.

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brettholcomb at charter

Sep 11, 2004, 9:13 PM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

No problems here. There was a thread about X11R7 that outlined a
procedure. Worked flawlessly for me and others. The xorg problems
recently have been those who tried the 6.x which is beta. I've been
running it for quite a while.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 purslow [at] sympatico
wrote:

> 040910 Francisco J. A. Ares wrote:
>> Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face changing XFree -> X.org ?
>
> i wd advise caution: various people have had various bad experiences w it:
> mine was v ugly fonts, which i cdn't cure, so i went back to Xfree;
> at least, do a Quickpkg of Xfree so you can return easily.
>
> my impression is that Xorg is not ready for the big time
> & pressure to go over to it is basically political.
>
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> ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies
> TRANSIT `-O----------O---' University of Toronto
>
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crichey at gmail

Sep 11, 2004, 9:14 PM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:07:19 -0400, purslow [at] sympatico
<purslow [at] sympatico> wrote:
> 040910 Francisco J. A. Ares wrote:
> > Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face changing XFree -> X.org ?
>
> i wd advise caution: various people have had various bad experiences w it:
> mine was v ugly fonts, which i cdn't cure, so i went back to Xfree;
> at least, do a Quickpkg of Xfree so you can return easily.
>
> my impression is that Xorg is not ready for the big time
> & pressure to go over to it is basically political.
>

Quickpkg is not a bad idea. YMMV. I've not had a single problem with
fonts, or with anything else on the stable version of xorg.

The pressure may have originally been political, but it is my
understanding that the maintainers of xorg are a much friendlier bunch
to work with.

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brettholcomb at charter

Sep 11, 2004, 9:39 PM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

It started with the license change which wasn't acceptable to much of the
community so I guess that's political <G>. However, Xorg seems more open
to changes and is timelier with their updates from what I've heard.

On
Sat, 11 Sep 2004, Collins Richey wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:07:19 -0400, purslow [at] sympatico
> <purslow [at] sympatico> wrote:
>> 040910 Francisco J. A. Ares wrote:
>>> Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face changing XFree -> X.org ?
>>
>> i wd advise caution: various people have had various bad experiences w it:
>> mine was v ugly fonts, which i cdn't cure, so i went back to Xfree;
>> at least, do a Quickpkg of Xfree so you can return easily.
>>
>> my impression is that Xorg is not ready for the big time
>> & pressure to go over to it is basically political.
>>
>
> Quickpkg is not a bad idea. YMMV. I've not had a single problem with
> fonts, or with anything else on the stable version of xorg.
>
> The pressure may have originally been political, but it is my
> understanding that the maintainers of xorg are a much friendlier bunch
> to work with.
>
>
> --
> /\/\
> (CR) Collins Richey
> \/\/ "I hear you're single again." "Spouse 2.0 had fewer bugs than
> Spouse 1.0, but the maintenance ... was too much for my OS."
> - Glitch (tm)
>
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volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal

Sep 11, 2004, 10:44 PM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

On Sunday 12 September 2004 06:39, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
> It started with the license change which wasn't acceptable to much of the
> community so I guess that's political <G>. However, Xorg seems more open
> to changes and is timelier with their updates from what I've heard.

it started with some devs going after some fights. The problem was not the new
license (it was the last drop) but before that, a lot of people were not
satisfied, because of the high hurdles and slow procedures to get (even badly
needed and correct code) into the tree. A lot of people were fed up (hey,
there are reasons for xserver and xouvers ;o)) and have now the chance to
participate acitvely. And it looks like it is working fine.

Gl�ck Auf
Volker

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purslow at sympatico

Sep 12, 2004, 12:18 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

040912 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Sunday 12 September 2004 06:39, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
>> It started with the license change which wasn't acceptable
>> to much of the community so I guess that's political <G>.
>> However, Xorg seems more open to changes
>> and is timelier with their updates from what I've heard.
> it started with some devs going after some fights.\
> The problem was not the new license (it was the last drop)
> but before that, a lot of people were not satisfied,
> because of the high hurdles and slow procedures to get
> even badly needed and correct code into the tree.
> A lot of people were fed up
> (hey, there are reasons for xserver and xouvers ;o))
> and have now the chance to participate acitvely.
> And it looks like it is working fine.

that's what i meant by 'politics', licences & people having fights (smile).

none of this touches on the question whether Xorg is ready to go
for ordinary users in the rough world out here.
no doubt w time, the new Xorg team will get their act together,
but since someone asked, i continue to advise caution based on experience.

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davidgn at servidor

Sep 12, 2004, 5:55 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 23:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
> No problems here. There was a thread about X11R7 that outlined a
> procedure. Worked flawlessly for me and others. The xorg problems
> recently have been those who tried the 6.x which is beta. I've been
> running it for quite a while.
>

Didn't you mean X11R6.7 and X11R6.8?

Or has the X11 protocol had a new release?

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mark at brier

Sep 12, 2004, 7:29 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 04:07, purslow [at] sympatico wrote:

> 040910 Francisco J. A. Ares wrote:
> > Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face changing XFree -> X.org ?
>
> i wd advise caution: various people have had various bad experiences w it:
> mine was v ugly fonts, which i cdn't cure, so i went back to Xfree;

I have had no problems at all using X.org, my X fonts have never looked
better! I followed the Mini-HOWTO X.org & font from the Gentoo forums.

> my impression is that Xorg is not ready for the big time
> & pressure to go over to it is basically political.

Not sure I agree with you there, I have felt no pressure at all to
change, other than needing to know I am running the newest,
most-developed X server.

simon at noir

Sep 12, 2004, 10:31 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

* Mark Brier <mark [at] brier> [2004-09-12 14:29:36 +0000]:

> On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 04:07, purslow [at] sympatico wrote:
>
> > 040910 Francisco J. A. Ares wrote:
> > > Anybody could point me any pitfall I may face changing XFree -> X.org ?
> >
> > i wd advise caution: various people have had various bad experiences w it:
> > mine was v ugly fonts, which i cdn't cure, so i went back to Xfree;
>
>
> I have had no problems at all using X.org, my X fonts have never looked
> better! I followed the Mini-HOWTO X.org & font from the Gentoo forums.
>

You have a URL to that HowTo?

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crichey at gmail

Sep 12, 2004, 10:53 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:46 +0200, Simon Gate <simon [at] noir> wrote:

> You have a URL to that HowTo?
>

Just a thought for the future. How about going to www.gentoo.org,
clicking on forums, keying in "mini howto" in the Quick Search field,
and voila! The first item returned is a Spanish version of the howto,
but a few items down - mirabile dictu - is just the English version
that many of us would want.

The first step in RTFM is to search for the FM, and the first step in
becoming adept with gentoo is to learn about the available
documentation.

Enjoy,

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volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal

Sep 12, 2004, 11:02 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

On Sunday 12 September 2004 09:18, purslow [at] sympatico wrote:
> 040912 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> that's what i meant by 'politics', licences & people having fights (smile).

oh, ok ;o)

> none of this touches on the question whether Xorg is ready to go
> for ordinary users in the rough world out here.
> no doubt w time, the new Xorg team will get their act together,
> but since someone asked, i continue to advise caution based on experience.

hm, well, I would say, it depends on the user. For me, Xorg is working fine,
for a friend, who is using the alsmost same setup, font-errors make Xorg hard
to use.
Someone planning an maior update should always use quickpkg to backup the old
version. Exspecially with X, where it depends on the apps you are using, if
you are satisfied or disappointed.

Gl�ck Auf,
Volker

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simon at noir

Sep 12, 2004, 11:28 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

* Collins Richey <crichey [at] gmail> [2004-09-12 11:53:49 -0600]:

> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:46 +0200, Simon Gate <simon [at] noir> wrote:
>
> > You have a URL to that HowTo?
> >
>
> Just a thought for the future. How about going to www.gentoo.org,
> clicking on forums, keying in "mini howto" in the Quick Search field,
> and voila! The first item returned is a Spanish version of the howto,
> but a few items down - mirabile dictu - is just the English version
> that many of us would want.
>
> The first step in RTFM is to search for the FM, and the first step in
> becoming adept with gentoo is to learn about the available
> documentation.
>
> Enjoy,
>

Sure.

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simon at noir

Sep 12, 2004, 11:28 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

* Mark Brier <mark [at] brier> [2004-09-12 18:45:18 +0000]:

> On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 17:31, Simon Gate wrote:
>
> > * Mark Brier <mark [at] brier> [2004-09-12 14:29:36 +0000]:
> > > I have had no problems at all using X.org, my X fonts have never looked
> > > better! I followed the Mini-HOWTO X.org & font from the Gentoo forums.
> > >
> >
> > You have a URL to that HowTo?
>
> Oh yeah, sorry. Posted as HTML mail with a hyperlink, but here ya go
>
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=187389&highlight=x+org+artwiz
>

Thanks alot!

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mark at brier

Sep 12, 2004, 11:45 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 17:31, Simon Gate wrote:

> * Mark Brier <mark [at] brier> [2004-09-12 14:29:36 +0000]:
> > I have had no problems at all using X.org, my X fonts have never looked
> > better! I followed the Mini-HOWTO X.org & font from the Gentoo forums.
> >
>
> You have a URL to that HowTo?

Oh yeah, sorry. Posted as HTML mail with a hyperlink, but here ya go

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=187389&highlight=x+org+artwiz

HTH

brettholcomb at charter

Sep 12, 2004, 11:57 AM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

You are correct. I shouldn't go from memory! Thanks.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, David Eduardo [ISO-8859-1] G�mez Noguera wrote:

> On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 23:13, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
>> No problems here. There was a thread about X11R7 that outlined a
>> procedure. Worked flawlessly for me and others. The xorg problems
>> recently have been those who tried the 6.x which is beta. I've been
>> running it for quite a while.
>>
>
> Didn't you mean X11R6.7 and X11R6.8?
>
> Or has the X11 protocol had a new release?
>
>
>
>
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Sep 12, 2004, 12:00 PM

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Re: changing from XFree to X.org [In reply to]

Okay. Thanks for the background. I'd seen some references to it before
but no one really talked about it - at that time Xfree was all there was.
Glad we have xorg no - and it works fine for me.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004,
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> On Sunday 12 September 2004 06:39, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
>> It started with the license change which wasn't acceptable to much of the
>> community so I guess that's political <G>. However, Xorg seems more open
>> to changes and is timelier with their updates from what I've heard.

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