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Sep 5, 2004, 10:36 PM

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RE: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow?

Yeah, so I've always wondered then, why is "Gentoo" linux a 'cow' theme
distro? Please tell me it's not because gentoo rhymes with 'moo'.

While the whole "mascot" thing is cutesy, I personally feel it is one of the
factors in keeping linux in the fringe markets. Professional people want
nice symbols and logos, not a cute meaningless animal. Even 'Red Hat' has
enjoyed as much success as they have, I'm sure in part because of the link
between 'black hats' and 'white hats'.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Futász [mailto:aldafu [at] gmail]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:10 PM
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> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:52:52 -0400, wireless
> <wireless [at] tampabay> wrote:
> > Is there really a critter called the gentoo penguin?
>
> Of course there is ;)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Penguin
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Sep 6, 2004, 9:49 AM

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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:29 -0700, Daevid Vincent <daevid [at] daevid> wrote:
> Yeah, so I've always wondered then, why is "Gentoo" linux a 'cow' theme
> distro? Please tell me it's not because gentoo rhymes with 'moo'.
>
> While the whole "mascot" thing is cutesy, I personally feel it is one of the
> factors in keeping linux in the fringe markets. Professional people want
> nice symbols and logos, not a cute meaningless animal. Even 'Red Hat' has
> enjoyed as much success as they have, I'm sure in part because of the link
> between 'black hats' and 'white hats'.
>

Sorry, but you'll have to do better that that to convince me that a
bloody red hat or even a fedora is any less cutesy than a cow!

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Sep 6, 2004, 10:45 AM

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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

Collins Richey wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:29 -0700, Daevid Vincent <daevid [at] daevid> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, so I've always wondered then, why is "Gentoo" linux a 'cow' theme
>>distro? Please tell me it's not because gentoo rhymes with 'moo'.
>>
>>While the whole "mascot" thing is cutesy, I personally feel it is one of the
>>factors in keeping linux in the fringe markets. Professional people want
>>nice symbols and logos, not a cute meaningless animal. Even 'Red Hat' has
>>enjoyed as much success as they have, I'm sure in part because of the link
>>between 'black hats' and 'white hats'.
>>
>
>
> Sorry, but you'll have to do better that that to convince me that a
> bloody red hat or even a fedora is any less cutesy than a cow!
>

And that SUSE thing.... what is that even supposed to be? Some kind of
lizard? It's certainly neither meaningful (since it's not a "real"
thing, but an abstract of one, and what does a lizard have to do with
SuSE Linux or Linux in general I don't know), nor "cutesey", nor a "nice
symbol".

But that doesn't seem to have stopped SuSE's success.

Who the heck judges whether they use will a product by the product's
logo rather than the product itself?

I sure wouldn't want customers like that, so if they're turned off by
the cow, I wouldn't miss them much.

Holly

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Sep 6, 2004, 10:50 AM

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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

The suse thing is a chameleon I think, and it might even have a name
but I can't remember

Would anyone prefer a paperclip and a puppy dog around the place? *g*

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:45:30 +0200, Holly Bostick <motub [at] planet> wrote:
> Collins Richey wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:29 -0700, Daevid Vincent <daevid [at] daevid> wrote:
> >
> >>Yeah, so I've always wondered then, why is "Gentoo" linux a 'cow' theme
> >>distro? Please tell me it's not because gentoo rhymes with 'moo'.
> >>
> >>While the whole "mascot" thing is cutesy, I personally feel it is one of the
> >>factors in keeping linux in the fringe markets. Professional people want
> >>nice symbols and logos, not a cute meaningless animal. Even 'Red Hat' has
> >>enjoyed as much success as they have, I'm sure in part because of the link
> >>between 'black hats' and 'white hats'.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but you'll have to do better that that to convince me that a
> > bloody red hat or even a fedora is any less cutesy than a cow!
> >
>
> And that SUSE thing.... what is that even supposed to be? Some kind of
> lizard? It's certainly neither meaningful (since it's not a "real"
> thing, but an abstract of one, and what does a lizard have to do with
> SuSE Linux or Linux in general I don't know), nor "cutesey", nor a "nice
> symbol".
>
> But that doesn't seem to have stopped SuSE's success.
>
> Who the heck judges whether they use will a product by the product's
> logo rather than the product itself?
>
> I sure wouldn't want customers like that, so if they're turned off by
> the cow, I wouldn't miss them much.
>
> Holly
>
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Sep 6, 2004, 9:09 PM

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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:49:09 -0600, Collins Richey <crichey [at] gmail> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:29 -0700, Daevid Vincent <daevid [at] daevid> wrote:
> > Yeah, so I've always wondered then, why is "Gentoo" linux a 'cow' theme
> > distro? Please tell me it's not because gentoo rhymes with 'moo'.
> >
> > While the whole "mascot" thing is cutesy, I personally feel it is one of the
> > factors in keeping linux in the fringe markets. Professional people want
> > nice symbols and logos, not a cute meaningless animal. Even 'Red Hat' has
> > enjoyed as much success as they have, I'm sure in part because of the link
> > between 'black hats' and 'white hats'.
> >
>
> Sorry, but you'll have to do better that that to convince me that a
> bloody red hat or even a fedora is any less cutesy than a cow!

I think the Red Hat logo (although somewhat "cutesy") is less of a
worry to corporates. It does have a professional feel around it. I
think SUSE has a great logo, but along with Mandrakelinux's logo is
not going to be accepted by corporates as much.

For Gentoo, if they stick to the purple "G", I think it would get some
corporate uptake (if they ever were to have faith in a
meta-distribution that isn't solely supported by the community). Larry
will have to take a back-seat to the purple G when corporate IT
managers are evaluating the product.

Then there's other distributions like Sorcerer, which may be just as
good as Gentoo, but due to the themes used, and logos will never be
taken up in the majority of corporations that have to answer to
stakeholders...

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Sep 6, 2004, 9:40 PM

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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

Ric de France wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:49:09 -0600, Collins Richey <crichey [at] gmail> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:29 -0700, Daevid Vincent <daevid [at] daevid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah, so I've always wondered then, why is "Gentoo" linux a 'cow' theme
>>>distro? Please tell me it's not because gentoo rhymes with 'moo'.
>>>
>>>While the whole "mascot" thing is cutesy, I personally feel it is one of the
>>>factors in keeping linux in the fringe markets. Professional people want
>>>nice symbols and logos, not a cute meaningless animal. Even 'Red Hat' has
>>>enjoyed as much success as they have, I'm sure in part because of the link
>>>between 'black hats' and 'white hats'.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Sorry, but you'll have to do better that that to convince me that a
>>bloody red hat or even a fedora is any less cutesy than a cow!
>>
>>
>
>I think the Red Hat logo (although somewhat "cutesy") is less of a
>worry to corporates. It does have a professional feel around it. I
>think SUSE has a great logo, but along with Mandrakelinux's logo is
>not going to be accepted by corporates as much.
>
>For Gentoo, if they stick to the purple "G", I think it would get some
>corporate uptake (if they ever were to have faith in a
>meta-distribution that isn't solely supported by the community). Larry
>will have to take a back-seat to the purple G when corporate IT
>managers are evaluating the product.
>
>Then there's other distributions like Sorcerer, which may be just as
>good as Gentoo, but due to the themes used, and logos will never be
>taken up in the majority of corporations that have to answer to
>stakeholders...
>
>.....Ric
>
>
You all may say that, but I think mascots are cute and nice, give a real
human face to products made by real people, that is part of open
source ? Maybe I am thinking too much and just need to shut my mouth.
I do like mascots though, I think that Fred the dragonfly for Dfbsd is
cool, too. :)

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Sep 6, 2004, 10:26 PM

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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:40:30 -0700, kage <error [at] fuckinginternet> wrote:
> You all may say that, but I think mascots are cute and nice, give a real
> human face to products made by real people, that is part of open
> source ? Maybe I am thinking too much and just need to shut my mouth.
> I do like mascots though, I think that Fred the dragonfly for Dfbsd is
> cool, too. :)

Yes... but shareholders want stability... not cutesy... so what the
shareholders perceive as professional, management perceive as
professional... and we all know that shareholders are just a bunch of
people wanting to skin the company for as much money as possible...

If only the mob I worked for could build a chinese wall around the
open source stuff, then we'd be able to deploy whatever, whenever...
thus delivering better stability and more features with higher
uptime... but you've probably heard all that before...

...Ric

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Sep 6, 2004, 10:56 PM

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* On Mon Sep-06-2004 at 09:40:30 PM -0700, kage said:
>
> You all may say that, but I think mascots are cute and nice, give a real
> human face to products made by real people, that is part of open
> source ? Maybe I am thinking too much and just need to shut my mouth.
> I do like mascots though, I think that Fred the dragonfly for Dfbsd is
> cool, too. :)

The FreeBSD devil has to be the coolest mascot for an OS that I've seen.
If a product is good enough the logo/theme could be overlooked.

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Sep 7, 2004, 9:50 AM

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Ric de France wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:40:30 -0700, kage <error [at] fuckinginternet> wrote:
>
>>You all may say that, but I think mascots are cute and nice, give a real
>>human face to products made by real people, that is part of open
>>source ? Maybe I am thinking too much and just need to shut my mouth.
>>I do like mascots though, I think that Fred the dragonfly for Dfbsd is
>>cool, too. :)
>
>
> Yes... but shareholders want stability... not cutesy...

As if *shareholders* care about something like the logo of some
operating system.

> so what the
> shareholders perceive as professional, management perceive as
> professional... and we all know that shareholders are just a bunch of
> people wanting to skin the company for as much money as possible...

Yes, and that's why logos don't matter at all.

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Sep 7, 2004, 11:00 AM

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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Sami Samhuri wrote:

> The FreeBSD devil has to be the coolest mascot for an OS that I've seen.

True. The NetBSD folks are running a competition for a new logo - maybe
Gentoo could do something similar?

BTW, Gentoo is a great name because "Gentoos are the fastest underwater
swimming bird, reaching speeds of 36 km/h (22.3 mph)."
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/wildfacts/factfiles/161.shtml) - this
appropriate given that when doing a stage 1 install you can optmize as
much as you want instead of using generic x86 binaries...

;-)

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daevid at daevid

Sep 7, 2004, 12:36 PM

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> >For Gentoo, if they stick to the purple "G", I think it
> would get some
> >corporate uptake (if they ever were to have faith in a
> >meta-distribution that isn't solely supported by the
> community). Larry
> >will have to take a back-seat to the purple G when corporate IT
> >managers are evaluating the product.

I fully agree. The cow is superfluous and not needed, it doesn't even make
sence since "gentoo" is a bird!? Wtf?!

Stick to the 'G' logo.

Also, I think this is the sexiest splash / background image for Gentoo, and
would love to see this incorporated into the default install...

http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/bootsplash/

d

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Sep 7, 2004, 1:49 PM

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Ajai Khattri wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Sami Samhuri wrote:
>
>
>>The FreeBSD devil has to be the coolest mascot for an OS that I've seen.
>
>
> True. The NetBSD folks are running a competition for a new logo - maybe
> Gentoo could do something similar?
>
> BTW, Gentoo is a great name because "Gentoos are the fastest underwater
> swimming bird, reaching speeds of 36 km/h (22.3 mph)."
> (http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/wildfacts/factfiles/161.shtml) - this
> appropriate given that when doing a stage 1 install you can optmize as
> much as you want instead of using generic x86 binaries...
>
> ;-)
>

I must admit when I first saw the cow I was like ... "wtf?!". But it's
grown on me. That cute little cow should have a name though (or if it
has I don't know it). Now (little) cow doesn't usually imply fast as
gentoo suggests but it's just so darn cute :)

Here's my 700ROL on the corporate logo discution.
A logo is just a logo may I remind you. Shareholders don't choose their
clients based on their logos! Shareholders don't choose their clients.
The Aquisition Department does (or whatever it's called in your local
economical dialect). Theese are people who went to a college or
university and have training in appreciating product value and will not
"OMG! Look at this cool logo, dude! Let's buy their <insert product name
here>". Actually this reminds me of a cartoon series I saw a few years back.
A logo should support your company's mission statement and is basically
a "group" simbol for your employees/comunity/etc. It has little to no
effect in a B2B environment. As for a B2C environment, when is the last
time you bought your monitor because it had that super cool logo.

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Sep 7, 2004, 8:12 PM

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:50:17 +0200, Alexander Skwar
<listen [at] alexander> wrote:
> As if *shareholders* care about something like the logo of some
> operating system.

Shareholders don't acutally care... they just pass their concerns onto
the board, and the board perceives these things...

> > so what the
> > shareholders perceive as professional, management perceive as
> > professional... and we all know that shareholders are just a bunch of
> > people wanting to skin the company for as much money as possible...
>
> Yes, and that's why logos don't matter at all.

Yes it does... think about the out-of-touch generals (ie. upper
management) making decisions for the troops (ie. developers / sys
admin staff) in the field... they're not using the equipment, but are
making decisions for the actual workers as to what they can use...

Upper management can't tell the difference between the technical
merits of one system than another. Who do they turn to? Consultants
(other people to make decisions for them). Consultants turn to
companies's marketing departments to see what features they can show
real fast. Management then look at a few presentations, hear a
marketing speil (sp?), and now the whole company is stuck with
something that doesn't deliver as well in the field as it did on the
marketing presentation. I'm not going to even mention the kick backs
the managers are getting for buying the licenses either. Now
management has a product, that's backed by a company (with a
professional logo as this is directly tied into marketing), they pass
back their "risk mitigations" back to the shareholders, and their off
to play golf. Who gets screwed? The ground staff.

More power is to be given to the people... not management...

...Ric
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Sep 8, 2004, 1:50 AM

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I like the Cow, I notice Gentoo for the first time only becaose the Cow.
But some naked girls as splash would be very appriciated :-)

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Sep 8, 2004, 4:48 AM

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Khan wrote:
> I like the Cow, I notice Gentoo for the first time only becaose the Cow.
> But some naked girls as splash would be very appriciated :-)
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> .
>

http://www.bootsplash.de/files/themes/Theme-DangerGirl.tar.bz2

Enjoy :D

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Sep 8, 2004, 10:36 AM

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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Ric de France wrote:

> Then there's other distributions like Sorcerer, which may be just as
> good as Gentoo, but due to the themes used, and logos will never be
> taken up in the majority of corporations that have to answer to
> stakeholders...
>

Because which version of Linux I used for the new database systems
is always a big topic at the stockholder meeting. And of unusual
importance is whether its logos or icons have the proper gravity. Why just
last week the CEO said to me, "Hey we better not be using any happy
unserious logos in our software. Can you form a team to stamp these things
out. Especially cute-ftp. I hate those guys."

Come on people. NO ONE CARES if it's a cow or a hat. No cares because no
one knows other than the IT team what they use. And all the IT team cares
about is whether it works or not.

kashani

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Sep 8, 2004, 10:46 AM

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On September 7, 2004 03:36 pm, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> I fully agree. The cow is superfluous and not needed, it doesn't even make
> sence since "gentoo" is a bird!? Wtf?!
>
> Stick to the 'G' logo.
>
> Also, I think this is the sexiest splash / background image for Gentoo, and
> would love to see this incorporated into the default install...
>
> http://folk.uio.no/oeysteio/bootsplash/

well i rather like the cow. and for what it's worth, i REALLY hate that
screenshot. the logo photoshopping is simplistic and hideous. but that's
just my opinion. personally, i think that what we have now is quite
attractive.

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Sep 8, 2004, 10:48 AM

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On September 7, 2004 04:49 pm, Adrian CAPDEFIER wrote:
> I must admit when I first saw the cow I was like ... "wtf?!". But it's
> grown on me. That cute little cow should have a name though (or if it
> has I don't know it). Now (little) cow doesn't usually imply fast as
> gentoo suggests but it's just so darn cute :)

as i recall, there used to be an old gentoo wallpaper with the text: "larry
the cow saw the plight of redhat users..." i don't remember the rest, but if
someone knows where to find it, i'd love a copy.

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Sep 8, 2004, 11:08 AM

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On Tuesday 07 September 2004 21:36, Daevid Vincent wrote:

> I fully agree. The cow is superfluous and not needed, it doesn't even make
> sence since "gentoo" is a bird!? Wtf?!
>
> Stick to the 'G' logo.
>

I really like Larry the Cow, because it does not have anything in common with
linux or birds. It is soemthing different, then the tenth penguin and the
forth hat.

Think about a little bird, getting some help from a cow. Not a new theme, but
very cute. IMHO of course.

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Sep 8, 2004, 1:10 PM

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I would really like to know what you guys are smoking.... And if you
have any left for me.

That's like saying no one will buy Lucky Charms because their mascot is
an Animated Leprechaun... Or no one will buy Dow Bathroom cleaner
because there's a cartoon 'Scrubbing Bubble' on the package.. Who
flipping cares? Do the Lucky Charms taste good? Yes. Do the Scrubbing
Bubbles clean your crapper? Yes. Does Linux run your computer? Yes... So
who gives a damn weather or not you have a cow or a penguin or a guy in
a red head gear or a lizard or a squiggly line or whatever else?

On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 15:36, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> > >For Gentoo, if they stick to the purple "G", I think it
> > would get some
> > >corporate uptake (if they ever were to have faith in a
> > >meta-distribution that isn't solely supported by the
> > community). Larry
> > >will have to take a back-seat to the purple G when corporate IT
> > >managers are evaluating the product.
>
> I fully agree. The cow is superfluous and not needed, it doesn't even make
> sence since "gentoo" is a bird!? Wtf?!
>
> Stick to the 'G' logo.
>
> Also, I think this is the sexiest splash / background image for Gentoo, and
> would love to see this incorporated into the default install...

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Sep 8, 2004, 1:25 PM

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i don't like cows there big dumb animals, "larry the Cow" is fun to
say, but isn't larry a male's name and arn't cows females ? i think it
should be heather the cow, or maby maggie the cow.... WAIT GENTOO IS
FEMALE! no wonder everybody bitches and can't agree on anything, i
nominate steve the bull for president!

On Sep 8, 2004, at 4:10 PM, Jokr 2 Thief wrote:

> I would really like to know what you guys are smoking.... And if you
> have any left for me.
>
> That's like saying no one will buy Lucky Charms because their mascot is
> an Animated Leprechaun... Or no one will buy Dow Bathroom cleaner
> because there's a cartoon 'Scrubbing Bubble' on the package.. Who
> flipping cares? Do the Lucky Charms taste good? Yes. Do the Scrubbing
> Bubbles clean your crapper? Yes. Does Linux run your computer? Yes...
> So
> who gives a damn weather or not you have a cow or a penguin or a guy in
> a red head gear or a lizard or a squiggly line or whatever else?
>
> On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 15:36, Daevid Vincent wrote:
>>>> For Gentoo, if they stick to the purple "G", I think it
>>> would get some
>>>> corporate uptake (if they ever were to have faith in a
>>>> meta-distribution that isn't solely supported by the
>>> community). Larry
>>>> will have to take a back-seat to the purple G when corporate IT
>>>> managers are evaluating the product.
>>
>> I fully agree. The cow is superfluous and not needed, it doesn't even
>> make
>> sence since "gentoo" is a bird!? Wtf?!
>>
>> Stick to the 'G' logo.
>>
>> Also, I think this is the sexiest splash / background image for
>> Gentoo, and
>> would love to see this incorporated into the default install...
>
>
>
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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT), Kashani
<kashani-list [at] badapple> wrote:
> Because which version of Linux I used for the new database systems
> is always a big topic at the stockholder meeting. And of unusual
> importance is whether its logos or icons have the proper gravity. Why just
> last week the CEO said to me, "Hey we better not be using any happy
> unserious logos in our software. Can you form a team to stamp these things
> out. Especially cute-ftp. I hate those guys."
>
> Come on people. NO ONE CARES if it's a cow or a hat. No cares because no
> one knows other than the IT team what they use. And all the IT team cares
> about is whether it works or not.

I agree with this if that is a small company or an IT wing in a larger
company... but a "so-called" enterprise wide company looks nervously
at logos... especially when it hits the branding department and the
legal department... Obviously the companies you've worked for have
taken the "WHO CARES" attitude, as long as the job is done... I've
only worked with the other type so far...

As much as you might want to ignore it, branding is a crucial part of
any product.

...Ric
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Sep 8, 2004, 3:52 PM

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Ric de France wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT), Kashani
> <kashani-list [at] badapple> wrote:
>
>> Because which version of Linux I used for the new database systems
>>is always a big topic at the stockholder meeting. And of unusual
>>importance is whether its logos or icons have the proper gravity. Why just
>>last week the CEO said to me, "Hey we better not be using any happy
>>unserious logos in our software. Can you form a team to stamp these things
>>out. Especially cute-ftp. I hate those guys."
>>
>>Come on people. NO ONE CARES if it's a cow or a hat. No cares because no
>>one knows other than the IT team what they use. And all the IT team cares
>>about is whether it works or not.
>
>
> I agree with this if that is a small company or an IT wing in a larger
> company... but a "so-called" enterprise wide company looks nervously
> at logos... especially when it hits the branding department and the
> legal department... Obviously the companies you've worked for have
> taken the "WHO CARES" attitude, as long as the job is done... I've
> only worked with the other type so far...
>
> As much as you might want to ignore it, branding is a crucial part of
> any product.
>
> ...Ric

And the logo of the OS used on the desktops and servers in this
enterprise-wide company is going to impact branding and legal how,
exactly...? If GM uses RedHat on their desktops and servers, it's not as
if the RedHat logo is ever going to filter down to me, the buyer of a GM
product.

Besides, Larry the Cow appears *on the bootsplash*. If you use a
bootsplash. If you use a bootsplash and don't change themes. Which you
would naturally do if you were concerned that your boss couldn't stand a
bit of whimsy.

If you were making a presentation to display how clever you were to have
migrated the company's servers to Gentoo, would these supposed
shareholders ever even *see* Larry? Larry isn't on the desktop. Larry
isn't on an emerge screen. Where are these people even supposed to see
Larry? They'll probably see the "G", if they see anything, and that
should satisfy all the people who think this issue is important for some
reason.

Holly

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Sep 8, 2004, 4:41 PM

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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Ric de France wrote:

> I agree with this if that is a small company or an IT wing in a larger
> company... but a "so-called" enterprise wide company looks nervously
> at logos... especially when it hits the branding department and the
> legal department... Obviously the companies you've worked for have
> taken the "WHO CARES" attitude, as long as the job is done... I've
> only worked with the other type so far...
>
> As much as you might want to ignore it, branding is a crucial part of
> any product.
>

Granted Fortune 500/1000 companies have always been the special ed
of the IT world, but if your technology choices are being second guessed
because of logos you've got other issues. Either the IT department sucks
enough that no one trusts them or you're being micromanged. Either way it
sucks to be you.
I've worked a number of large places. No cares about server OS
other then the fact of "Yeah we moved it to Linux and dropped our capital
expenditures for software by 15%. Oh yeah and we can drop the leases on
those Sun servers as well on the hardware side." NO ONE is going to ask
which Linux any more than which hard drive manufacturer you use unless
they think you/the dapartment are idiots. Or you've got the owner operator
who can't get his fingers out of everything. That's always fun.

kashani

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Sep 8, 2004, 5:34 PM

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Re: gentoo a real penguin? And what's with the cow? [In reply to]

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Kashani
<kashani-list [at] badapple> wrote:
> Granted Fortune 500/1000 companies have always been the special ed
> of the IT world, but if your technology choices are being second guessed
> because of logos you've got other issues. Either the IT department sucks
> enough that no one trusts them or you're being micromanged. Either way it
> sucks to be you.

You better believe it... I've got so many solutions (many involving
Gentoo) to offer, and they're all being shunned away with an approach
to MS 2003 Server (and associated products) being taken. I keep
hearing:
- "We've got to go with what our architects have decided."
- "You don't know what you're talking about."
- "How can a free product run better than a proprietary product?"
- "There's no support for your product."
Too much red tape to get anything done.

> I've worked a number of large places. No cares about server OS
> other then the fact of "Yeah we moved it to Linux and dropped our capital
> expenditures for software by 15%. Oh yeah and we can drop the leases on
> those Sun servers as well on the hardware side." NO ONE is going to ask
> which Linux any more than which hard drive manufacturer you use unless
> they think you/the dapartment are idiots. Or you've got the owner operator
> who can't get his fingers out of everything. That's always fun.

The company I am thinking of is more into the line of "I don't care
how much licenses cost, as long as there is a bricks and mortar
company supporting up that we can sue the f**k out of if things go
wrong" (don't even go into the area of EULAs stating you can't sue -
it's been brought up before). To them Open Source = no cost (= no
support) = no one to sue = major risk. When assessing a new company,
granted that the logo is one small portion, but anything that gives
them any reason to say "NO" to using open source will be used.

...RIc
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